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I find it interesting that feminists have to be put in 2 categories: black ones and whites ones. But, then, this dichotomy has always existed and it began in another incarnation during the Women's Suffrage movement when white women were not receptive to black women being included in the struggle to gain the vote. But black women persisted and did their own thing. The article's author could've also mentioned that intersectionality is a 3-headed monster because feminists, in addition to racism and misogyny, also had to contend with homophobic bias because of the lesbian presence in its ranks. At the onset of the movement, this played a role in inhibiting the enthusiasm of straight black female who were considering joining the movement. Back in the 1960s during the Women's Lib heyday, i remember the attitude of many black women reflecting the idea that they were already on an equal level with their men, and were tired of sharing the burden, ready for these men to take over, and put their women on a pedestal the way white men did theirs. I never considered joining this group because like so many white liberal organizations back then, the leaders were condescending to blacks. To this day, I don't consider myself a feminist. I'm just a castigating woman; more so on some occasions than others. @Chevdove i never knew about Clarence Thomas commanding the support of black women, either. But the gospel-singing female supporters hark back to the black church which encourages women to take subordinate and supportive roles with their menfolk, and this includes protecting them. i also closely followed those hearings during which Democratic senator, Joe Biden, sided with Thomas. Thomas being a Republican married to a white woman was all i needed to be on Anita's side. @Mel Coincidentally i, too, recently became a fur grandmother when my grandson, over my objections and threats to move, brought a pit bull-mix into the household to romp around and chew up everything. Left with no choice but to co-exist with the creature, he and i did indeed communicate. During the intervals when he was confined to his cage, i would stand over him and talk to him, telling him what i wasn't going to put up with and how he'd better shape up. Sometimes he would argue back by barking at me. We did, in the process, establish eye-contact. Now, he knows that my room is off-limits, and to "sit" when i tell him to because i will reward his obedience by petting his head and scratching his ears. Other times, he displays a little defiance by squeezing through the door with me when i enter my room and, once in there, will sniff around and then leave on his own. He seems to want to be in my company. He's docile and good when his master is around but when my grandson leaves, he tries to get tough with me and my daughter. But, like the male of all species, when ignored he sulks away and takes a nap.

Not surprising to me it is easier for people to deal with. There are, of course, women who want their men to lead and desire what would be considered by feminists to be a subservient role. These women though a good portion of the population are voiceless and considered "old fashioned" or an anachronism. Some I've talked to are disappointed in men who are unwillingly or unable to take charge and lead their families, but men are not raised to lead anymore. In addition to race and gender Black women have to deal with sexuality, weight, attractiveness, physical handicaps, maternity, age, religion, and any number of issues in which they can be discriminated against. It is not a three headed monster it is much more complicated, but culturally we dont handle complexity well so race (black and white) and gender is about all the intersectionality we can hande.

Finally someone with a sense of humor and reading comprehension above the 3rd grade. @Delano now that some women explained why you question was problematic i guess now you get it 😉

There are a multiplicity of we and not enough us.

Christmas for me have changed dramatically for me since the kids have grown and moved out and the wife and i split up. For 25 years i brought a tree and we'd dress it up with a variety of ornaments collected over the years. My favorite was my starship enterprise ornament. If was always fun to see the kids get excited about the presents left by santa and it was interesting to see them transition to the point where they would buy us the parents thoughful gifts. I cherish those memories. But I appreciate the time with extended family and friends both old and new today. 🙂 But i appreciate, now, there are folks who may be lonely during the holiday season. Harry maybe ill take you up on you suggestion and do something in the community. happy holidays!

😄😄😄. @Cynique OMG does he think he’s is second in command? It’s amazing how they rank our order in the pack! Lol!

@Delano Nope. I didn’t participate in “Average women smarter than Average man” discussion at all. Too broad and not enough data for me to make a comparison.

I don't I was talking about you position. That's the implication if your defending Elijah Muhammed impregnating teenage girls. Perhaps my logic is faulty and someone will point out. How a preacher having sex with teenage girls is consensual. When the girl and her family get kicked out of the NOI. If two people agree with you i will concede that you have a valid point.

@DelSpeaking for myself, when you said women were smarter than men, I was not less reticient, - except in your opinion. i said women were more detail-oriented than men, and knew a little bit about a lot of things, whereas men seem to have limited interests. When you said that you were smarter than the average women and requested a comment, i said you were well-read but not as smart as women when it came to communicating clearly because you were not aware of how the quixotic way you expressed yourself affected your coherence. My conclusion that smartness has to be categorized is consistent with my above statements and is also pretty much in agreement with Troy saying: "characteristics like intelligence can be viewed many different ways and is often be difficult to measure. Therefore, making a statement like, "I am smarter than the average woman." is meaningless."

Prison rape bad Preacher rape okay Thanks for clearing that up. After the first pregnant secretary git kicked out of the NOI, why would the others consent? Tbus is similar to workplace sexual advances by a supervisor to a person beneath them.

I've read Chev's original post over and over again and still don't have a very clear understanding of her and Troy's issue, but let me say this..... As I've said on many occasions, having frequented many websites I've noticed that many women don't like the atmosphere of a website unless it is: a) Moderated mostly by women or b) Moderated by a male who is heavily infuenced by women who can pull on his arm and point to who they don't like or feel are offensive and get them punished or banned. Infact, what I've noticed a LOT is that many websites have a "gorilla harem" type of atmosphere where there is one dominate male moderator and a bunch of females under him...sometimes they are moderators and other times they are just well respected members who are very sweet to him alone and often times will use him to strike out at anyone on the forum they don't like. I'm not sure if it's feeling of security or what but most women like HEAVILY moderated websites. Troy pretty much does what an Administrator and moderator SHOULD do in my opinon which is allow people to express themelves and weed out trolls. I briefly operated a message board years ago and I even allowed what are now considered "trolls" to post.....lol. The only time I banned people or took down posts was if they made threats to harm people or exposed personal information against another poster's will. But I guess things are different today where many sites are being flagged if too much racist, sexist, or anti-homosexual content is posted. But back to Chevdove's issue........ From my experience dealing with people and understanding human psychology, there may also be something else that COULD be an issue. Troy's open idenity as Administrator Having seen people come and go on this site and others, I've noticed that even if a moderator doesn't say it or even imply it....often times when people get into a disagreement or even personal conflict with the moderator of a site their first instinct is to get frustrated and LEAVE. They just assume that they have no chance of "making it" on that site if the head person is against them Even in real life I've noticed this. On jobs I've seen people get into conflict with other employees and stay on for months or even years until they either work things out or just stay out of eachother's way and keep on pushing. But if they get into some sort of conflict with a manager....even if the manager doesn't talk about firing them NOR even gives them a hard time....most of the time they start looking for another job and leave. I've been a manager at some jobs and I've had a couple people just walk out or give their 2 week notice with just the SLIGHTEST criticism! When I ask another employee what happened they tell me they THOUGHT I was going to fire them so they just bounced. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this at work. When you're a person of authority your very POSITION holds weight and can sometimes put people on alert or make the nervous that you may mete out some sort or punishment with the slightest provocation even if you intend nothing of the sort. I've always taken the position of UNLESS a manager (or in the case of a website- the moderator) explicitly says or implies that they will ban me or start removing my posts, if I disagree with them I will continue my disagreements but in a respectful way acknowledging their position. Now this MAY NOT be an issue in this instance, but I figured it's a good point to bring up since the theme of this thread seems to be somewhat related and I've seen it quite a bit.

No you just refuse to defend their honour fron an old rapey preacher. ❄

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The more I think about it - I have to conclude I’m unable to offer an opinion. I don’t even have an opinion whether men are smarter than women or vice versa... too many variables. For example Troy said men score higher in spatial intelligence but I know for a fact, that I personally score higher than most men in that particular category - in fact, that’s the category I score the highest in - followed by pattern recognition... Yet, I’m not a man but a daughter from a military family... I started my formal education in Germany; where there was little to no gender stereotyping and children were raised as if they were mini-adults... I think early “programming” has a lot to do with how we display intelligence later in life. But back to your question. I believe your reasoning skills are above average - and appear to operate at a high level but I’m unable to compare that to an average woman I don’t know how to define an “average” woman. I consider myself average - but since I play to my strengths and not my weaknesses - I present as high functioning and above average. All this to say, I won’t offer an opinion comparing sets without raw data 😄

Really? Oh boy, I can hardly wait 🙂 So @Delano do these Bonobos perfrom fellacio on or sodimize each other? I've heard of this of homosexual bonobos before, but never thought to look into it. But now I'm curious; what behaviors do these monkey perform to label them as homosexual? Do they also twitch when he walk, or have that lisp when the screech? (that last sentence was joke for those of you without any sense of humor. I don't have to worry about not being able to host the Oscars). @Pioneer1 the best test I've heard of came from the comedian Aries Spears. He said i you do something with another dude and one of you bust a nut (ejaculate) then you are both gay. I listed to a portion of the clip and agree with Tariq's observations, however i disagree with his conclusions. It is a not a "buck breaking process." it is a money making process. I'm familiar with the play Kinky Boots it is on broadway right now. The play features an virtually all white cast and seems to be related to gay stuff I know I have less than zero interest in seeing it. But the producers know the are folks who would pay to see a football player dress up in high heeled boots. I doubt they are interested in Tiki's acting chops

That is fine Del, but the perspective of "toxic egocentricity" comes from within. How we interpret this is as much a function of who were are is it is the other person. It is like the Kevin Hart scenario. Kevin sad he was smash is kid over the head with a doll house if he caught him playing with one. Someone else took this joke to imply that Kevin was advocating for violence against children and was evil. Again this is more about the person than Kevin. Similarly, I shouldn't have to say rape is bad, but when I say it is bad and am not believed that has nothing to do with me... Exactly. Sometimes I (all of us) simply don't know what we don't know, and being exposed to new ideas and open to them is how we learn. Yeah I'm fire baby! Don't get too close or you might be burned. You know I'm an advocate of raping teenage girls 🔥

Troy yes it appears there us indeed a great if pressure for acceptance of homosexuality. Is this a bad thing? While it is not my life style, is what two consenting adults do really our business? It depends. To use Delano's argument in another thread, it depends on the INTENT of those pressuring for it's acceptance. If the intent is to make the public more tolerant and accepting of those who are born a certain way and can't help themselves.....I'd say NO...it's not a bad thing. However if the intent to promote homosexuality is to INCREASE homosexuality and homosexual activity among a targeted population for the purposes of: 1. Causing CONFUSION among that targeted group in order to cause chaos and fighting between them and 2. LIMITING and REDUCING the population of that group by encoraging more same sex sexual activity and discouraging heterosexual activity and thus decreasing the reproduction rate. ....then I'd have to say YES, it is a bad thing. Infact, it's a form of "positive" genocide where instead of killing those who are already born you just prevent them from being born in the first place. 　 Chev You make a great point that there is a difference between homosexuality and homosexual ACTIVITY. Two men can kiss eachother on the mouth. That may be considered homosexal ACTIVITY....however if they're both actors and getting PAID to do it then it's not homosexuality. It's just two men acting out a role or going through the motions without any sexual feelings behind it. Women from East Asia walk around all the time holding hands but that doesn't mean they are lesbians, it's just part of their culture. For it to be actual homosexuality there must be the homosexual feelings or intent behind it. Tariq Nasheed and Harlem Elder weigh in on the Kevin Hart controversy and Tariq goes into how it's part of a greater plan to cause sexual confusion among people of color:

Troy is fire I am ice.

@Chevdove homosexuality also has nothing to do with gender or geographic origin. Who is behind this nefarious plan and what is their goal? Yiu know Neanderthals are extinct right? @Pioneer1 yes it appears there us indeed a great if pressure for acceptance of homosexuality. Is this a bad thing? While it is not my life style, is what two consenting adults do really our business? Sure given the way i was raised seeing two dudes pressed up on each other is not the first i want to see, but im not into extreme displays of public effection by heterosexuals either.

And you have the nerve to talk about Del making unsubstantiated statements. You can' even spell "definitely" correctly so stfu. All of a sudden everybody is an authority on homosexuality, dutifully accepting the veracity of white scientists prone to advancing white supremacy. Homosexuality has even been noted in animals. i read somewhere. But i can't cite the source so anyone can feel free to challenge this.

That's one of your devious lies. All Democrats and Republicans? Or just some? All black people are targets for this homosexual conversion or just some. How long do you think it will take these conspirators to turn you into a gay guy? i'd say about a month. There's no reason to think you would be spared.

Exactly, so why are and your Neely buddy attributing all of this capability to white people when it comes to influencing black people's sexuality? Since some say homosexuality is a choice and others say it is natural, how are these sinister white conspirators going to agree on how to confuse dumb, gullible, black folks about their sexual orientation? Your accusations are silly.

Who gives a damn what "Needy Full-of-it" says? He and you give white people too much credit. They can't even sort out their own sexuality. They are the ones who have determined that sexual orientation is present at birth and exists because of how the brain is wired and that this cannot be reversed or altered.

Do you 2 equate advocating acceptance of LGBT people as an attempt to turn straight people into gay ones? The LGBT issue is about inclusion instead of exclusion, about accepting people for who they are and not discriminating against them. It's a humanitarian cause.

@ChevdoveWell, when you announce in a public venue how you intend to raise your kids, and what you say is offensive to a minority group, you should be prepared to be censured by the people who have hired you for a job. It is comparable to the announced host for the Oscars being white and him vowing that if his daughter married a black guy, he would put her out the house. Nobody is suing Kevin about what he said and had Kevin honored the Academy's request for him to apologize again, he'd still be emceeing the show. Welcome to the 2018 world of political correctness.

@Pioneer1My! How energized you've become! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! And, did i mention that i accept the scientific determination that there is only one race???? Time for you to pull up a picture of my boy-toy, a pathetic gesture that says more about you than him. (Too bad that instead of using an avatar, you hide behind the picture of a prominent man in the desperate hope that some of his sheen will rub off on you. No way. ) LMAO.