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Forgotten. Murder,17. Year. Old. Kendrick. Johnson. Body. Was,Found. Rolled. Up. In. A. Wrestling. Mat. In. The. Gym,In,A. High. School. In. Valdosta,Georgia...Homicide,Suicide,Accident...Family. Believes,Homicide, So. Do I. There. Will. Be. A. Third. Autopsy,His. Body. To. Be. Exhumed... Where. Is. The. Protesting. For. This. 17, Year. Old. Black. Male? This. Happened,In, 2013. In. Pittsburgh,Police. Shot. And. Killed,A,,17. Black. Boy,Antwon Rose. People. Protesting...Why,Is. Black. Police. Silent,The. Boy. Was. Unarmed.. What. Would. White. People. Do. If. Black. Police,Start. Shooting. At. Neo. Nazi. Walking. Down. The. Street,With. Guns. And. Nazi. Flag,Neo. ,Nazi,KLAN,Domestic,Terrorist. Organization. Klan. With. Faces,Covered. Up. Walking. Around. With. Rifles.....The,Neo-Nazi. Planning. A. Rally Near. The. Whitehouse....Hispanic,Children. Being. Rounded. Up. Like,Cattle. ,Neo-Nazi. Planning. A. Rally Near. The. Whitehouse.. News. Says,White. Population. Shrinking ,Whatever..The. Browning. Of. America. Trump. Doing. What,,The,Neo. Nazi. Want. Him. To. Do....

@Pioneer1 Remember, I'm not wedded to this description of the moors. For once I can't even debate lol. I'm still piecing together what I've seen in Europe, South America and even Asia as it relates to the "moors" and what I've read and am reading. You may have hit on something. It may be the wording. Consider this article , I stumbled upon... Essays by Ekowa <- Link http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/Black Briton.htm Here's an excerpt. Wherever there is man or civilization there is the Black man. Wherever we have planted our seed civilization took root. Europe was not exception African had populated the isle long before Europe / Europa took its name: Europa (Greek Ευρώπη) was a Phoenician [black] woman in Greek mythology, from whom the name of the continent Europe has ultimately been taken. The etymology of her name (ευρυ- "wide" or "broad" + οπ� "eye(s)" or "face")[2] suggests that Europa represented a lunar cow, at least at some symbolic level. Who was the Lunar Cow? According to Gerald Massey in his book ' A Book of Beginnings' to the Egyptian origins of the British Isles': He has evidence that Stonehenge, the most famous ancient monument in England, was built by a Negro architect, named Morien. [That is the name MOR or Moor came from the ancient Egyptian]. The word 'Moor' is derived from Latin 'Maures' meaning black. Here are a few derivations on that name: From the same root we derive: Maur, Maurus, Marra, Moro, Morisco, Mohr, Moritz, Moor, Moru, Maru, Morelo, Maureta, Mauretania, Morocco, Maurice, Morien, Morin, Moryan, Moreto, and so on.� The Oxford dictionary definition: "The Moors were," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "commonly supposed to be mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for Negro." Black Irish and the tide of Ignorance Well, that's white folks at it again . When you find a black man you ha to label him inferior instead of looking at the whole context and understanding he is the basis for you civilization and culture..... " *** I haven't had time to source the information - but it might be fascinating to find "Moors" was a description of people who later just wore the name like a badge of nobility.

Yes, that is what I am contending, -- that Native Americans and Anglo-Saxons are descendants of Africans. Black Africans. But the subject is broad for just a simple answer. This statement caught me off guard! It took me a minute to stop laughing. It's hard now, to be serious. But yeah, the word 'Africa' might not be the right word to use here. Black beings a long time ago prior to Afrian people we see today, would not be defined as African. A whole other concept.

The problem with the theory of evolution and claiming that human beings started off in Africa and as they evolved they left and migrated to different parts of the planet is the implication that Africans are LESS evolved than other groups. It puts others as more evolved implying that they are "better improved" than the primatives they came from. If it were a "theory of mutation" it would be more palatable to me because it suggests that the African is the penacle of humanity and those who came from them degenerated. Ofcourse this isn't what's being taught. Although I can't prove it, I personally believe that humanity didn't come OUT of Africa but a certain portion actually migrated TO Africa from a part of Asia. If you look at the oral history of most of the Bantu nations and what they say about themselves, whether they are found in West Africa or South Africa....most claim they came from the direction of Egypt and Ethiopia before migrating to their present lands. Chevdove You and Cynique are discussing the strong vs the weak and the righteous vs evil, however...... If you look at many ancient societies, their entire concept of morality was totally different. They saw WEAKNESS as evil. Things like strength and courage (as in battle) was considered GOOD. Perhaps where African people have been failing is in taking on Caucasian ideas of morality (which they don't even practice themselves) and accepting a dogmatic "scripture based" moral code that focuses on ritualistic behavior and written rules......and instead go back to a more nature based moral code that focuses on self preservation, procreation, and respect for our ancestors. Then there would be the time period of which scientist date the Neanderthals and prior to the presence of a time when 'beings' were referred to as such, scientist dates many, many, more beings to have been on earth much earlier prior to the Neanderthals, and if you visit the Smithsonian, you will see that they are all either Black or very dark skinned and the dates to which it is said they existed was millions of years before the Neaderthals even. This is where the stories of "elves" "leprachauns" and "smurfs" and "fairies" come from. This is all mythology that hides the truth of the little Brown/Black people who inhabited Europe for millenia before the Caucasians came. 　 Mel Perhaps it's the wording. I acknowledge that Black people lived in what is now called the United Kingdom (and other parts of Europe) for thousands of years before Caucasians arrived. Again, they were later referred to as "elves" and "trolls" and written as mythology. But to call them "Moors" is a problem for me because it's my understanding that Moors were a SPECIFIC group of people from North Africa and not just a generic name for any and all Black peoples.

Chevdove The Bible is a very interesting book. Lately I've been reading not only various translations but the TRANSLITERATION of it in Hebrew which gives you an entirely different understanding than reading the plain English translations. They claim that the first 5 books of it or the Pentatauch came from Moses. The problem is not only is the end of Moses' life recorded in those books (strange for a person to do that for himself) but the actions of the Israelites AFTERWARDS are also recorded after his life (even stranger and more remarkable). I believe the TRUE Torah is in the Ark of the Covenant which I believe is still in Ethiopia being protected by the Beta Israel elders. From what I've read, John "The Revelator" wrote that book as a response to the persecution that the early Christians were receiving from Rome and the emperor Nero. He condemned Rome as the "Mystery Babylon" and predicted it to fall. But since then, every generation has read THEMSELVES into the Book of Revelations and assumed that there time was the actual time of the end. But as we know the Earth is still here and keeps turning..... I don't have a lot of confidence is so-called "scriptures" that were put together by human beings as being divine. I believe it may contain a lot of knowledge and wisdom, but I have serious doubts that much of it came from The Supreme Being. Krazy Alexander #2 I believe I mentioned it before, if one is truly interested in understanding creation from a divine viewpoint, familiarity with ALL THREE BOOKS is necessary. Humanity is MILLIONS of years old. Those books you mentioned are no more than 6,000 year old. How did human beings manage to "understand creation from a divine viewpoint" for the millions of years we existed BEFORE those books came on the scene?

I repeat. What happened to these black people who preceded Native Americans and Anglo Saxons?? And with claims made by the revisionist white researchers, i don't know if we all came from Africa or not. Just sayin. i like the alien theory and that's probably because i'm an alien.

Yeah the dates change. Presumably the newer information is more accurate. I've send date range for homo sapien sapien range from 200K to 300K years -- which is a big swing, but no one will ever have a precise date nore is one really needed. We can be fairly certain is has not been "millions of years." Sure there were hominids a million years ago, but these creatures would never be confused with being human. That said, I would still not be surprised if there were a race of people (of extraterrestrial origin or not) who were far more advanced that we are that lived and died out more than a million years ago. @Cynique, as you know all men are descended from Africans. However the Black people who arrived in the America's can separately. It is common knowledge, thought not taught in schools, that African traveled to the America's long before Columbus. Indeed the ship logs of european travelers who noted that they saw Black people here. It could have been in Columbus's logs (don't quote me on that). In any case, Ivan Van Sertima writes extensively on this.