Pioneer1

ProfD While you're correct in your assessment of his choices AND I have to keep saying that he indeed made some bad and foolish choices, my point is: He wasn't free. We DON'T live in a free society. So he wasn't allowed to exercise or express his sexuality, even with those who voluntarily wanted to with him.

Sounds like you got an INVERTED thermometer system, to me. The lower the temperature....the higher it reads...lol.

Then he wasn't free. His behavior was restricted/limited.

What about Harry Brown, umbrarchist, and richardmurray? They ain't cool enough for you?

Troy How many guys are we talking about Pioneer, five, a dozen? To break it down..... The Black men I know and have known who got into relationships with foreign women and lived happier lives....based on what they've said AND what I've seen...are DOZENS. The Black men who actually took on the responsibility of raising children who are not even theirs along with these foreign women...are LESS than a dozen. The problem with your reasoning here is that this is just your personal experience, anecdotes. It’s not data. It's not a problem UNLESS we're doing scientific research. If we're just talking and having a discussion about an issue, why shouldn't personal experiences and anecdotes NOT count? I know you have very little way of verifying the truth of it one way or the other, however YOU are a Black man who've known other Black men. Are you saying you don't know of ANY Black men who's personal experiences align with the ones I've just related? ProfD Enjoy those African women as long as any cultural differences do not present hurdles. Many of those cultural differences are part of the fun. To be real... I'm not in relationships with most of these women. Infact, for many of them were are just acquaintances. But I enjoy their company regardless of the level of contact I experience with them. And truth be told, MOST Black American men love interacting with African women when they actually do. I see this happen on a routine basis. They'll talk shit all day long about them but as soon as a woman from Angola or Ethiopia smile at them and ask them for something...the nigga starts glowing and cheesing and the next thing I know he's following her around or somewhere leaning on a box with his leg propped up talking shit to her grinning...lol. Many African women use a ton of make-up and foundation to lighten themselves to appear less dark and look more European. This is true. And it often looks disgusting on them because of the discolorations caused by it. Many of them have dark rings around their eyes and mouths or discolored necks because of this. But it's not too much worse than AfroAmerican women who may not use skin bleaching anymore but not only straighten their hair but BLONDE is the new fashion among so many of our sistaz today. I saw a picture of Puffy's mother and she has her hair (or somebody's hair...lol) blonde and long almost all the way to the ground.

Troy Sorry, I thought that was obvious no, of course not. Lol...I thought my not being religious was just as obvious. Especially since I constantly say it. A ”little something?” Dude you said you read the book multiple times and parts of it in various languages that’s more than a little something. My reading the entire Bible came from a time when I actually WAS religious and wanted to determine for myself was it the actual "Word of God" as so many claim. When I read it now, I read it for historical and reference purposes. When I read the Bible in it's orignal Hebrew I get more accurate names for certain lands and peoples than from the translated versions like King James.

I don't participate on it but I've heard of "facebook jail" and other forms of discipline that social media platforms like facebook/meta and twitter/x dish out to those who break their policies. They even go as far as to permanently ban (ex-communicate) some people if the rules they violated were severe enough.

Is it really freedom when you are being poisoned chemically as well as indoctrinated to think and behave a certain way? Let's use the recent case of Sherrone Moore for example.... Was he free to have sex with whoever he wanted to? Or was he PUNISHED when it was discovered who he was having sex with?

Black men SHOULD have rallied around Sherrone Moore instead of lambasting him all over social media. Yes, he's responsible for his actions. No, if he actually committed the crimes he was accused of he shouldn't have done them. I'm not saying he made the best decisions. Some of them WERE foolish in my opinion. However a White man who did...and likely ARE doing...the same things wouldn't have gotten fired in the first place. Also, if a White man had committed those crimes....his image wouldn't have been smeared all over the media as an example for the world to see. However in this world, one of the BIGGEST crimes is powerlessness. Not being able to defend yourself physically or in the media against your enemies. Because no matter how much you're victimized....those who are smarter and more powerful will find a way to make YOU look like the "bad guy" and make themselves look like the "good guys". He did what many if not most heterosexual men do when they are in positions of power....USED it. Men have sex with women. That's what we do. Hate to break the hard news to some of you who may have thought otherwise, but that's the truth! Well.... What about him being married and cheating on his wife? What about him chasing White women around? What about inappropriate relationships with co-workers? Except for the last one....I wouldn't have engaged in either of those actions, personally. But just because I wouldn't do something personally or even think it's wrong, that doesn't mean I'm going to side with the enemy to take down or lambast an intelligent and successful brother who used his power and position to get pussy. That's what men have been doing for THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of years. White men do it. Asian men do it. Arab men do it. Black men aren't and shouldn't be an exception. Since we KNOW this about our selves, why do so many of us side with White men or women of any race against our own? You're NOT going to please them by bashing another Black man for getting coochie. Do you think by trashing another Black man and calling him juvenile or undisciplined and pointing at him laughing and saying he got what he deserved is going to make White racists like you better? Do you think women will respect us more for doing that to another man? Oh, they may clap and cheer for you, because you're siding with THEM against another Black man. .....but will LOSE respect for you because it looks like you have no comradery or respect for your own demographic. I say the same thing about this situation as I do about the Somalis and how they're going after them. If we're going to stay out of it...then we need to stay out of it. But atleast don't HELP the damn enemy go after other Black folks. Even if they aren't going to defend him, at the very least Black men in the media and social media should atleast just keep their mouths shut on the situation and talk about something else. No need to help the enemy (racists) target and go after a successful intelligent Black man who made an unwise decision.

I think we may be overlooking the bigger picture..... Yes he's responsible for HIS actions. And if he actually did what he was accused of doing.....NO he shouldn't have committed those crimes. However the bigger picture is he was another Black man who is being used as an example by a racist system. The bigger picture...and bigger crime...is not being powerful enough to prevent what happened to him in the first place This is probably going to sound silly, but Black men SHOULD have rallied around him instead of lambasting him all over social media as they are doing. If you KNOW a person is a victim of racism, even if they had a hand in their victimization....you don't pile on and side with the enemy against them. It's like blaming a rape victim for the clothes she was wearing or the lifestyle she was living.

Apparently you got KICKED OUT of the "academy" a few years ago. Which explains why you eventually came BACK to AALBC after your lengthy hiatus....lol.

I bet you're an EXPERT at "self examination"....lol. Especially since you drove the last man away who used to take you shopping a few years ago.

also starring..... We all know and love her as Thelma Evans from Good Times "Ma, I'm confused about something? I THOUGHT I flushed it down the toilet! You ever heard of a TURD crawling out, growing legs, and walkin' around the ghetto???" And her lovely photos as Jet Beauty in 1975! Introducing..... BERNADETTE STANIS as BABY GIRL "Oooooh Big Mamma! You think you slick, with all them beehives 'n shit hangin' outside! But Dolemite go throw a FIT if he find out you been pushin' smack out of one of his Ho' Houses! Better hope he don't find out!" "He AIN'T go find out! Cuz ain't nobody go TELL him! Now git yo' nosy ass back upstairs and make yo' mamma some mo' money! 'Fo I put you back out on Central Avenue and make you work your way BACK up. Lil' jive ass nothin' ass ho!"

For somebody who doesn't care about me, you sure did use "you" a lot in this recent post. My previous post was much longer than yours and I think I only mentioned "you" once....lol.

The ground only shakes when YOU come dancing through....lol. "If she makes the ground shake like that dancing BARE FOOT! .....I'm bettin' a pair of high heels would probably break the RICHTER SCALE!" ....lol.

ProfD You wonder why I have a "soft spot" for Africans? One of the reasons I'm so attracted to African women is because they exude natural femininity and shut down the disgraceful myth of the "strong masculine Black woman" that America has so celebrated for nearly 50 years. Through out much of America's history, they only wanted White women to be the standard of delicacy and femininity. They pushed the masculine role on to the Black woman, and many in our community actually embraced this nonsense. But African women come to America and no matter what they've seen and been through back home, they STILL have light voices and are very feminine and act like women. White men see this and many of them try to snatch them up and marry them. I've seen so many White men actually get angry, offended, and even defensive with Black American men OVER African women! Many of them act as if African women are THEIR women and Black men should stay away from them! When a woman ACTS like a woman....she makes a man want to ACT like a man. Now some will say, "A man shouldn't need a woman to make him act like a man....he should just naturally act like one". While this is true, some men...many men...need to be primed or encouraged into doing so. Whether they "should" or "shouldn't need this is a discussion unto itself, but the fact is many do....and if that's what it takes to force a generation of young men to get off their lazy ass and stop smoking the weed and get busy building....then that's what it takes! Let's be glad there IS a solution to the problem and then apply it.

You're correct to say " in other words".....because those words are OTHER than my own...lol. I didn't say this. I made my position crystal clear.

1. How are they "getting away" with something THEY usually don't initiate nor do they usually enjoy personally. I understand that much of the sexual contact between White men and Black women aren't forced or rape. I'm saying that White men tend to like and enjoy the very act itself far more than Black women do, who are usually doing it out of some sort of economic gain. 2. You don't know WHAT kind of harm it's doing to the community short term or long term for so many Black women to freely have sexual relationships with White men under this system. Many Black women will CLAIM the man they're with loves her, but slowly he starts introducing all kinds of freakish sexual themes into the relationship that goes against everything she was raised to value...and she accepts it. Then he starts being racist and talking racists...first about OTHER Black folks....then to her ABOUT her....and she accepts that too. Behaviors like this are common among Black women who involve themselves into relationships with White men. They may start off nice, sweet, and respectful but devolve into something grotesque and demonic. It reminds me of that movie Monster's Ball where Halle Berry ends up having sex with the same White man who is responsible for the death of her husband and son! "Go ahead...I'm listening. What else did they do???"

It's not hypocrisy....it's simply a clear Double Standard. It's far more dangerous to themselves and the community for Black women to go around hopping in the bed with White men, than for Black men to do it with White women.

How about this: Social Media IS a Religion Neely Fuller Jr. said that a "religion" is a strong belief backed up by action. Religion isn't necessarily what you CALL yourself or were born into. It's what you believe strongly AND do on a routine and regular basis. Many Italians may claim to be Catholic by the Mafia is their religion. Many Arabs may claim Islam but fighting and making war is their religion. Many people may claim to be Christian but racism is their religion. Likewise.... If you spend over 80% of your waking life on social media either publishing or watching and feel depressed when you don't have access to it, social media IS your religion.

....cuz you can't read.

I don't want a society where women are second class citizens or not even considered citizens at all and are subordinate to men. I actually want a society where men and women are equal in rights, however the women are so feminine that they NATURALLY are less aggressive and less assertive than men so there is no need or desire for most men to try to "force" this on them. If you have to FORCE this on somebody, that means it's often unnatural for them to do.

aka Contrarian Watta crock. The only people masculinizing black women are triflin' black men who have forced them to play the "father" role for the children they make and desert. Was Cynthia knocked up by a triflin' Black man and abandoned? Was SHE forced to play "father" for a bunch of little kids? There are women in middle east and Afghanistan who grew up seeing all of the men of their village slaughtered. There are MILLIONS of women in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa who have had to raise children without a man in the home but they still retain their femininity. You don't see them walking around showing off their muscles. You don't see them getting tattoos all over their bodies. You don't see their voices getting deeper or them acting more aggressive or violent. Something is being done to the women HERE that is making them clearly more masculine than the women of other countries or cultures. Maybe the question is what is it about SOME women in America that is so unattractive and repulsive that would make a man want to leave them AND even any children they had with them, rather than do the instinctive thing and stay around.

One of our rather more outspoken....lol...contributors, said in another discussion: "The only people masculinizing black women are triflin' black men who have forced them to play the "father" role for the children they make and desert." While that may SEEM to be a valid point on it's surface, I can't help but notice something when I meet women from other cultures............. I've seen women from the Middle East and Afghanistan who grew up seeing all of the men of their village slaughtered, sometimes in front of them. Very traumatic. Yet these women still have kept their femininity. There are MILLIONS of women in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa who have had to raise children without a man in the home but they still retain their femininity. -Yet you don't see them walking around showing off their muscles. -You don't see them getting tattoos all over their bodies. -Their voices aren't deeper. -You don't see videos of them balling up their fists and fighting at hamburger joints and family picnics or outside of gas stations. -They aren't "turning" Lesbian and claiming they gave up on men. No matter what they've gone through they still retain and maintain their femininity. Which tells me that something is being done to the women HERE that is clearly making many of them more masculine than the women of other countries or cultures. You can look at a lot of the little girls in school and how much they love fighting and talk about fighting to realize something is disturbingly wrong. I don't recall girls fighting this much at school or on the street when I was a kid. For decades we've talked about dead beat dads and why so many men have walked off from their own children and avoided their responsibilities. In the vast majority of the cases I personally know of....it wasn't the children or being forced to take care of them that was the problem; it was the baby mammas and the inability to get along with THEM that was the issue. Not saying the mothers were at fault for him abandoning her. I'm saying THEY COULDN'T GET ALONG...regardless as to WHO was at fault. So it wasn't the children, it was them being incompatible. Now, on the flip side of that..... I know more than a few Black men who had children by MULTIPLE American women and abandoned them and have little to do with their own children, yet got themselves foreign wives from other countries and not only stuck with those wives but had children with them and either raised or are raising those children! I'm not talking about mail order brides! I'm talking about women they said they met at school, at work, or on the street! In a few cases, some these same brothers met foreign women WITH children who were not their own! And married these women and helped them raised these children! I'm going to say (type....lol) that again: Some of the SAME Black men who had children by multiple women and abandoned THOSE women and children, actually met women from other countries WITH children and took on the responsibility not only of marriage but raising THOSE children as their own! So perhaps the question would have to be.... What is it about SOME of our women here in America that is so frustrating or repulsive that a man would rather get with women from outside his own culture and raise HER children, rather than stick with the women of his own culture and raise his own children?

I don't know what kind of relationship he had with his White wife. They may have had an "open" relationship where she knew and allowed for him to cheat, I don't know one way or the other. It's not a matter of empathizing with or having sympathy for him, it's about the double standard that this society in general has for powerful Black men and powerful White men. If this Black man was married to a Black woman and cheated on her with a Black woman who worked there, the University probably would have never fired him. Even if he had broke into the woman's house later and threatened to kill her or himself with a knife, it probably would have barely made headlines. But the firing AND the publicity is done strategically to "scare" Black men away from sexual relationships with White women by publicly humiliating him. I won't call it a lynching but I will call it a public humiliation done for racist puposes.