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richardmurray Didn't you say you were born and raised in New York and never saw a fight or any type of street violence go down....or something similar to that nature? I don't remember the exact wording you used.

When that Ice Cube song comes on, old school cats usually automatically think of one of the "boyz in the hood" pulling out that 12 guage on Tre while he was walking across the street with some bar-b-que in his hand.

As quiet as it's kept..... Many men find non-violent....I stress again NON-VIOLENT...emotionally unstable women...sexy as hell!

And sometimes they STILL don't listen. I'm not just saying this to sound like a good dude, I mean it......I couldn't force myself on a woman. For me personally, part of sexual attraction is knowing that YOU are attracted to me. It's one thing for me to be more attracted to you than you are to me. But if I feel that you aren't attracted to me AT ALL....that in and of itself is a turn off. I don't care how much I liked a woman, if she said she just wasn't interested and I knew she was serious...I'd get insulted and leave her ass alone anyway. ....and she'd have to BEG me to come back to her!

Troy i’m beginning to believe you are spending too much time around the wrong people. Your image of Black people is terrible. It a yeah sounds like something a white raciest would say about us. Sure, there are Black people who fit the description you describe but they steer of no consequences, as they are too few. it could be I spend too much time with boogie negroes Lol, do you mean "bougie"???? I'm inclined to say "yeah" but I don't want to say you're spending "too much" time with upper class Black people. There's no such thing. But you MAY be slightly out of touch with what's going on in the streets around the country. I'm not "in" the streets myself, but I drive around the communities from time to time dealing with people and also have people in my family who ARE in the streets and it kind of keeps me abreast of what's happening. The fact is a HUGE and GROWING number of our youth are smoking that fake weed and a huge and growing number of them (and White youth to a certain extent) are running around outside and even going to school and to work in pajamas and pajama bottoms. That's been happening for the past 5 or 6 years now. I'm surprise you haven't seen it more. Given we are only 14% of the population, have a history of enslavement and Jin Crow we aren’t doing too bad as a people. of course we can do better— and we will On "the books" it seems like our community is doing well. Legally speaking there are no laws saying Black people can't do this or must do that anymore. However DEFACTO and in REALITY...our community is doing far from well. There is much more homelessness, incarceration, and family dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community TODAY than during Jim Crow. There are various reasons for this. Some of it is racist, and in many cases WE are to blame for being so naive and not holding on to our communities like we had in the past and trying to integrate. But the point I'm making is, despite our improvements ON PAPER....it seems as if the AfroAmerican community from the mid-70s up until now has DE-volved or mutated to a more dysfunctional state. ProfD Reads like you just want a receipt to validate 2nd class that already exists. Well, one of the problems with that is we're NOT 2nd class in this nation! It appears that either the LGBT or Asian communities are. Followed by the Latino community. They are the ones getting the attention and what little tangible benefits these politicians are promising. Black folks are being insulted in the media, in politics, and in the entertainment industry.....and it's all allowed today. They didn't do this back in the 60s or 70s....but today it's almost like a minstrel show the way they clown on Black folks. Like apologies, I'd imagine white folks can provide it. Lol.... Naw bro, I'm not talking about some "national conversation" or "national apology" along with a museum with a big ass statue of Louie Armstrong in the middle of the floor. I'm talking TANGIBLE benefits and TANGIBLE protection. If we agreed to something like that, it would have to be GUARANTEED and BACKED BY LAW kind of like what the Native Americans have. Ofcourse White folks manage the legal system for the most part and they can play games with it, but for the MOST PART we'd actually get more benefits from it than what we have now. It would be more along the line of what we're asking for in Reparations, but along with compromise for the White power structure . Just walk up to a white man and ask him for a 2nd class status receipt. Neely Fuller Jr. said, which way did the White people go? lol......

That big butt was an attraction, but Serena's muscular arms and aggressive personality was a turn off for me. The fact that Venus tends to cry more and is more shy is actually a TURN ON.

It is, but I've worked in MANY places like that before. And about 80% of the time it's White men fucking with women of color whether they're Black or Latina. Now I've worked on jobs where Black men would make lewd comments and entice sex from co-workers. I've done it myself! However I have NEVER harassed women. I've PROPOSITIONED them...lol. I've used the promise and delivery of BENEFITS and ASSISTANCE to get sex from them. ....not going to lie. But harass them....no. And by "harass" I mean, when she has made it CLEAR that she's not interested....continuing to pursue her and chase her around making comments and even touching. That's a no no. And most Black men that I've seen....don't harass women. I've seen a FEW do it, but of the majority who DO pursue women and get their game on at work....the vast majority isn't of a "harassing" nature but of a MUTUAL attraction. Again, this is from my PERSONAL observations.....but women themselves may have a different story to tell. I've heard sistaz talk about how relentless some of these bruthaz are at work, on the street, etc....especially when they get dissed.

Troy The man is 61, I think he's tried all of that already. Honestly, I'm not sure what his deal is because I've tried to hook him up once but the lady said that during the date...all he wanted to do was sit in the car and talk. Literally, that's ALL he wanted to do...lol. He doesn't have children either. After hearing that from her, part of me wants to ask him if he's still a virgin....but I just won't do it, lol. ProfD I don't think Venus is married, but I think she IS dating a White dude. Venus was always my favorite by the way. Far more feminine, not only in body structure but in attitude.

umbrarchist Well, the "smart" White folks are obviously the ones in charge and making most of the decisions on how this nation operates. It would be THEM who we would have to deal with and MAKE deals with if we collectively decided to do so. No, White people aren't a monolith, but they are CLEARLY more unified in thought and action than AfroAmericans. They have collectively agreed to gentrify Black communities from coast to coast. They have also collectively agreed to bring in illegal non-Black immigrants by the MILLIONS from Latin America and scatter them around the nation for cheap labor. Obviously there is some sort of "group" of White folks who agree to operate in the collective to push their agenda. Again, it's THESE White folks that we'd have to make deals with if we chose to do so. ProfD Black folks should not be asking white folks or any group of people for a status. Nor should Black folks accept such a designation. Well rest assured, most are NOT. And they're getting exactly what they asked for. one does not ask for respect. It is earned. Even if that means taking by force. Ok. And what does that have to do with AfroAmericans? I KNOW you know better than to expect THESE fake weed smoking niggaz running around outside in those funny plastic sandal looking shoes and pajama bottoms, to organize and take ANY-thing from White folks by force. .....besides...maybe...flash mobbing one of those fake-weed dispensaries. Black men should be taking constructive actions towards becoming more powerful. Black men in Africa should have never become slaves or allowed their women to be raped. Black men should have never tolerated Jim Crow. ....so much for what Black men "should" or "shouldn't" do. This may sound weird, but what I'm suggesting probably and most likely WOULD make us more powerful than we are right now. It would be a GUARANTEED and PROTECTED 2nd Class/ 2nd Tier status that would ensure a certain amount of businesses, jobs, benefits, etc...over and above any other race or ethnic group EXCEPT White Americans. Kind of like the status of Native Americans but more concrete and well defined and even more protected and guaranteed. A real man doesn't beg for anything. He goes to work and stands on business A lot of "real men" are also locked up or dead and in the dirt with their dicks laying sideways after coming across OTHER "real men" who were smarter and more powerful. We have to deal with REALITY, not wishful thinking or "I'm gonna git you sucka" talk. That Dolemite shit may SOUND cool and uplifting but how well do you think it's going to work in the REAL world when you come across White folks not only on the police force but these armed MILITIAS they're allowing to form in every state to back their power structure up? "Move out my way honkie! I'm coming here to TAKE minez! I know you want me to beg, but I ain't beggin' ya fa' shit! Now DANCE gotdammit....DANCE SUCKA!!!!" (((rat-a-tat-tat)))

In the United States atleast, Caucasians (or White people for those who prefer that term) are in power. For whatever reason The SUPREME BEING has allowed Caucasians to attain power and so far they are KEEPING power and we don't know how long they will BE in power. Regardless of religions, prophecies, and predictions.....they haven't been removed from power YET. Maybe they will be removed TOMORROW. Maybe they will be in power for the next 10 years. Maybe they will be removed from power sometime within the next 100 years. We don't know. The SUPREME BEING knows.....we don't. But we DO know that they are in power right now. As long as Caucasians are in power....in the United States atleast....I'm wondering should AfroAmericans openly and outright ask the Caucasians in power to be their "right hand" so to speak. -to request "2nd Class" status OVER other groups....and ACCEPT it if they agree collectively to it? I know to some and perhaps even most AfroAmericans, this consideration would be absolutely outrageous and unacceptable. However from a LOGICAL point of view, if a person is in prison and hasn't found a way out YET...should they not go to the authorities OF that institution and try to request the most comfortable position there and accept it as long as they ARE there? I think this is more logical than constantly arguing and bickering with White people over this and that while these other groups are coming in trying to make alliance with them, kiss and suck up to them, and not only take our place (what "place" at this point???) and even try to bump AfroAmericans out their way to get the position for themselves. Hell, some of them may even treat AfroAmericans WORSE than White folks if they got in the same position any higher position. Look at how so many of these Asians and Latinos and Arabs treat AfroAmericans NOW on the job and in their businesses. They tend to be FAR more openly racist than most White folks If we live in a multi-racial/ethnic society and White folks are adamant about keeping their top tier position and SOMEBODY has to occupy 2nd place, why not US? It also puts us in a more powerful position than we are already in, since the competition with these other groups will lessen and in most cases even cease IF they know and understand that politically, economically, and even socially WE are ahead of and above them in rank and that White folks will likely ENFORCE this status and make sure they understand and respect it.

Rest In Peace And Power to our dear brother elder and now ancestor.... The Honorable Quincy D. Jones Jr.

We know that Serena Williams is married to a Caucasian man. I did a quick search for Venus' current/former boyfriends...and saw a list of Caucasian men for her as well. ....what does that say?

I'm trying to make sure I KEEP working. Like the Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught, I REALLY should have my own business, however it's a bit easier to punch in and work for others at the moment. I have to deal with some of the consequences that often come WITH that. Reminds me of that old Ice Cube song "A Bird In The Hand". "...punch the clock like a slave and be half a man ...cuz whitey says there's no room for the African"

ProfD Do you have the power or resources to command their attention? Some of them, yes. But I'm my issue isn't necessarily PERSONAL satisfaction with them at this point. It's more so COLLECTIVE on both sides. Meaning, as Black American men COLLECTIVELY we need to ensure that we are getting the proper respect and sexual attention from EVERY demographic of women that lives in this nation. Not that every Black man or even most Black men should have sex with most available non-Black women. That's not the point. But that most...the average...Black man is ABLE to if he so chooses. I understand your fixation. I don't know if you're in a position to satisfy it. Dialoging with bruthaz like you and being on the internet helps enable me to. You aren't seeing all of the moves every Black man makes. True. But I keep asking...show me the Black men who ARE banging these races/ethnicities of women I've mentioned. Again, you're projecting that which you'd like to see Black men doing publicly. Somebody has to. Every Black man can be laid back on the couch in sweat pants with a cell phone in his hand grinning talking about "every thang'z cooool". SOMEBODY has to admit there's a problem going on. If rich and wealthy Black men and any other for that matter can pull non-FBA women, the same applies to any woman to whom they're attracted. A few are pulling East Asian women. How many of these wealth Black men are snatching up Arab, Pakistani, Indian, and East African women?

BTW..... That sista from Kenya is ANOTHER sista who works in the Administrative department of my job who says she's being sexually harassed by her White co-workers and upper Managers. She said 3 of them be messing with her. We saw one messing around with her, and when I mentioned it to her one day she said he wasn't the only one and then mentioned two others! And she's actually a supervisor herself. One of the guys is actually BELOW her in that department but she says he's relentless with the jokes and the touching. But she wants to focus more so on them being MEN than being White. When we talk, she often finds a way to start saying how some Black men back in Kenya often behave the same way. ....which I'm in no position to argue with her over.

The one your lil' SCARED behind took down....lol. Exposing a little too much, huh...lol.

Looks like a SEGREGATED family picture to me. You got all of the brown skinned folks on one side and the light skinned folks lined up on the other, lol. What are you trying to TELL US with that picture Cynique????

Spittin' straight facts. Can't argue with you on that last one....lol. As far as...... How do you propose to get those women to think or feel differently? I'm not sure. I think pushing more positive images in the entertainment industry would be a great start. More POSITIVE music with POSITIVE images of Black men. More movies and movie roles with POSITIVE images of Black men. When I say POSITIVE, I don't mean weak and sissified. I mean strong, virile, masculine, tough....yet fair and honest and morally righteous. More police officer roles and less criminal roles. More roles as leaders, presidents, CEOs, etc... I talked to one sista from Kenya who told me that she wanted to come to America and go to an HBCU strictly because of a show she used to watch on television when she was a kid. I asked her what show was that? She said, A DIFFERENT WORLD She said she was inlove with Dwayne Wayne and wanted to come to America, go to an HBCU, meet a man like HIM and join a sorority! I'm not ashamed to say that when she told me that, my eyes juiced up just a little bit....not much...just a little....lol. I met so many Black Americans who said they wanted to go to college because of a Different World but that was the first time I heard an African say that. I didn't know they even GOT the show over there at that time. That show...like the Cosby Show...is NOW long and gone. What replaced it? We didn't know what we had and how much of an impact it was having across the globe, but the devils did.

ProfD Again. The question is why fixate and feel entitled to women who are in a country (environment) that Black men do not own or control. Because they're THERE. If they were in another country or in THEIR OWN country, it wouldn't be a concern. But because they are women...many of whom are attractive....and in MY country in MY environment. As a man, they command my attention. Now add that natural biological urge with the history of racism and the history of sex being used as a weapons OF racism and how racists at various times in history would seek to ISOLATE Black men and limit our sexual opportunities. ...and you'll understand why I'm fixated on it. We gotta build our own sh8t. Become more attractive. It's not enough for a Black man's only asset to be his d8ck and believe every group of women should jump on his love pole. I agree. However there are PLENTY of rich and wealthy Black men all over America so Black men being broke or lacking resources isn't the real issue either. If so, I would see rich Black men with a racial variety of women from around the world. Instead, most of them are with Black women, White women, and occasionally nearly White Latina women. A few are with Asian women.

ProfD Trust me, I do enough smiling and grinning at White folks....along with my performance...to keep my job. I mean, you never know WHY you may get fired. However, I try to stay in good with the people I NEED to stay in with...and that includes mostly White folks. I'll tell you who really don't like it. Many of the LATINOS. Many of them, especially in lower management...don't like how I SEEM to get along so well with White folks in UPPER management. They see me talking to them and laughing and sharing a joke with them from time to time...something most Latinos on our level NEVER do and few in mid-management do. Because I'm American and middle aged, I share a lot of the culture and perspectives of a lot of the older White men and women in upper management so I can relate to them on that level and many of the Latinos HATE the fact that they can't do it because of cultural differences. I also bash the Democrats and say LESS negative things about Trump than I do about Harris while making it clear that I don't trust either one, that helps too...lol.

It's not impossible at all and it's VERY doable. We can clearly and definitely make progress at every level. However it has to start with the TRUTH and us being HONEST about ourselves and our situation. When I keep hearing bruthaz talking about all the game they got and how many women they got; snatching out their cell phones with a whole list of nothing but 'hood rats and ghetto tramps (White and Black). But if he just TRIES to stop an East Indian woman....who's skin is actually blacker than his...on the street and ask her for directions, she gives both of us a weird look and keeps going....SHE'S a woman! Why isn't his "magic" working with her? If our bruthaz are macking like that why doesn't his celly have a VARIETY of women from all different races and ethnicities in them? Because the TRUTH is, it's to the point where AfroAmericans have returned to being thought of as 2nd and 3rd class citizens.

ProfD However, many AfroAmerican men have built themselves in such a way to overcome discrimination. Especially when it comes to women. They're NOT overcoming it....and that's the problem. They are IGNORING their racist and discriminatory treatment and focusing on the small percentage of women who AREN'T discriminating against us. Like I said, if MOST Arab, Indian, Asian, and Latina women are not having any sort of sexual relationship with Black American men BECAUSE they are Black and for no other reason; and they are OPENLY saying this online and offline. And we IGNORE it or TOLERATE it and instead focus on the just the FBA or few White women who DO want us... That's not "overcoming"....that's SUBMITTING to being a victim of racism and accepting your position as a 2nd or possibly a 3rd or 4th class citizen. Overcoming means CONFRONTING the racists over their racism and after the confrontation...winning. Since we we're submitting to SEXUAL discrimination, what else are we SUBMITTING to as Black men? If we try to check into a hotel and they say "we don't rent rooms to Black guys, sorry" Should we be ok with THAT too and just move on and focus on the Holiday Inn or some hotel that does? What about grocery stores that put up signs saying no Blacks allowed? Should we ignore those and focus on the stores that WILL allow us in? How far should we go in allowing people to openly discriminate against us as Black American men? At what point is it no longer acceptable?

ProfD I apologize for projecting. I did get a little heated because what you just said was said to me by atleast about 100 OTHER bruthaz over the years and it's all basically the same: "I ain't checkin' for them like that so I don't care." I think this "I don't care" attitude among so many Black men is a DEFENSE MECHANISM If you're a straight man you DO care how the women...ALL (pretty much) of the women...in your environment perceive you, whether you're actually trying to screw them or not. So I know when most Black men sit up and say they aren't attracted to these other women or that they don't care....I know they're lying. And what makes me so angry is how can solve any problem unless it's first acknowledged? 90% of the women in your environment walking pass you and ignoring you as sub-human or some sort of criminal who should be locked up....but you don't care because you can easily attract that 10%. And even THAT number is dwindling with the amount of sistaz (FBA) running to White men to. But I guess I should stop complaining because there is no problem. I just THINK there's one, but things are really cool. Black American men can really get any women they want...and if they don't get them that means they didn't want them. I'm sorry for making all of this up.✌️

ProfD Well, I'm under no illusion that the Haitian sista is going to try to do what she can to keep her job. I don't expect her to start wearing an Afro to work with a Black Power Fist comb stuck in it and start cussing out White folks to prove how "down" she is...lol. The fact is, I often wonder what kind of relationship DID she have with that White manager that maybe I wasn't aware of? She has her phone number to be texting her and all, but I didn't get into that. The sista (FBA) at the table also told me that I she wonders if I'm not making the situation with some of these women WORSE by adding more stress to their situation. I asked her, how so? Because I basically say the same thing to Africans OFF-LINE as I talk about online, including on this site. I get on them about how in love they are with White people, and how racist a lot of the White folks are and what they did to Black women during slavery etc.... She said some of them are already stressed out because White folks often "sneak" disrespect them and give them a hard time and harass the women knowing they can't or won't tell. Then they have a brutha like ME on their head "lambasting" (her word..lol) them and "raking them over the coals" (her words again...lol), accusing them of being in bed with White men and sucking them off in the back offices....lol. She said that a couple months ago...one African dude pointed at me and told her that when I get through talking to them, some of them Africans feel like getting on a plane and heading back home.... OH NOOOOO...LMBAO!!!!! That's not my intention....lol. I'm not trying to be rude, but I make my points CLEAR and UNDERSTOOD. There is NO DOUBT as to where I'm coming from and even people who can barely speak English know it, lol.

Let's stop beating around the bush and keep it real. A lot of Black American men....probably even most....consider most non-Black women SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH for them to date, let alone fuck, or marry. That's real. A situation has presented itself in this nation that we haven't seen since Jim Crow or perhaps Slavery itself. Entire groups of women that Black American men have been PROGRAMMED/TRAINED/CONDITIONED to ignore and leave alone....or else. But instead of it being that White woman who was put up on a pedestal..... -better not touch her boy. -better not even look at her. -no reckless eyeballin' around here. .....instead of the White woman who Black men was told was out of reach, now we have Arab, Asian, Indian, and most African women who are ALSO out of reach for Black American men. Our bruthaz have been so TRAINED to leave these women alone that no matter how attractive they are, these bruthaz don't holla. And if they DO holla and get dissed...they accept it and move on and are careful NOT to make that "mistake" again. Now here's the problem. Once Black men have been conditioned to see certain groups of women as "out of reach" or "out of their league" to have sex with or marry....how far will it go? Will it next be socially acceptable for certain JOBS to be "out of our league" too? What about housing and education? If they can openly discriminate with us when it comes to getting pussy, what will stop them from discriminating against us with housing and jobs and loans and other things?