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Exactly........ The games these people play. Another game they've been playing over the past 10 years or so was counting deserts and forests as people. Political commentators will put up a map of the United States featuring communities that are mostly Republican in red vs communities that are mostly Democrat in blue. What's deceptive is -everywhere PEOPLE actually live is Democrat blue but all of the land that is empty and nearly deserted except for trees and coyotes are red. But they'll put the mostly red map up to make it look like Republicans dominate the U.S.

ProfD Public Enemy and KRS One were pretty popular and people (actually of all races despite their bold pro-Black message) were crowding out their concerts by the tens of thousands. The White racist executives who CONTROL the entertainment industry pushed them to the back and PROMOTED negative artists like NWA and others. Ofcourse it's going to sell if it's the only thing available or the only thing you here playing on the radio or on MTv all day long. 20 and 30 years after his death even brother Malcolm X's message was still attracting followers and influencing music and artists. More so than Tupac or Eazy E or Coltrane or any other deceased entertainer. Music fads come and go but a powerful message remains through centuries and even millennia. Like I mentioned earlier, even today entire stadiums and arenas are being filled by Christians of all ages including teens and early 20's jumping up and down and crying over "Jesus dying for their sins"....whether you believe in that message or not. Muslims of different ages by the thousands continue to make Hajj very year. Messages outweigh music and entertainment in the long run. ...and for a good and simple reason. When people have REAL PROBLEMS that they're dealing with in life.....listening to a Jazz tune may not fix it. They want a MESSAGE in hopes that they'll find SOLUTIONS to what they're going through.

ProfD It depends on their level of advancement. Accepting the possibility that not only do ONE or TWO types of Entities exist outside of humanity but probably COUNTLESS types (not even considering the individuals) of Entities exist in our vast Universe.......we could also accept the possibility that these various types of Entities are at different levels of advancement. Some above and some below ours. So while some are advanced enough to come up with more efficient modes of traveling from solar system to solar system....others are not or are just in the rudimentary stages.

richardmurray Does the non basic form of your definition have percentages or specifics? I'm speaking generally. The focus isn't so much on statistics or percentages as it is on sufficiency. Does the government provide ENOUGH to meet the needs of the people? When you say safe, what do you mean? the NYPD has buildings full of domestic abuse cases they never bothered with. By safe what do you mean? Keeping the citizens/residents of the nation safe from physical harm from both outside (war) as well as from within (crime). When you say establishing hospitals does that include ability to reach hospitals? Yes. And providing clean and effective health care when they DO reach the hospital. Based on your basic definition, it allows a majority of governments in humanity to b deemed effective or not effective based on the specificty your basic definition doesn't have ? is your basic definition effective in defining effective government then? Yes. Effective is effective....whether or not most governments have achieved that standard or not. We shouldn't lower our standards or modify our definitions simply based on people not meeting them.

No? I would say it depends on: 1. The message and 2. Who are the ones filling the seats. If your target audience are FOOLS...then a message that requires one to THINK wouldn't attract enough of them to fill a McDonald's lobby. But if your target audience is made up of INTELLIGENT men and women then you'll have no problem finding an audience. Religious revivals and political rallies ROUTINELY attract a far bigger audience than music concerts and entertainment shows and have been doing so for centuries. Look at the MILLION MAN MARCH. 2 million Black men came out to hear a MESSAGE. Show me a CONCERT where 2 million people came out to bullshit and have "fun"??? Don't tell me messages don't attract crowds and fill seats.

I can understand why the poverty status of college students and military personnel isn't recorded. But people who are jailed and in prison? It shouldn't be hard to determine a person's financial status before incarceration. And as for: Living situations without conventional housing (and who are not in shelters) What about homeless people who are living on the streets and not in shelters? They don't count them either although they are definitely in poverty. I think they're being not only lazy but quite deceptive in their statistics. Kind of like they do with the "unemployment" rate. They don't count the unemployed homeless OR people who stopped looking for work OR working aged people who are disabled in their statitics....which they should. How would you know the TRUE unemployment rate if you remove people who are actually UNEMPLOYED???? That's like doing a survey on how many adults are single....but not counting those who are crazy, ugly, and anti-social. Ofcourse the stats are going to be skewed.

The man who is the most ominous threat to Black America today........ .....hhmmmm Lol....is "Larry Fink" an alternate name for Donald Trump? Is Larry Fink going around inciting racial hatred and political violence?

I have to admit that like Ice Cube....Jay Z is a lyrical genius despite the CONTENT of his work. Could he be doing more for the AfroAmerican community? Sure? We all could. But I can't knock the brother's hustling spirit. He's been throwing down since the 90s. And knowing that despite your looks you can STILL get rich, be popular, and get a lot of fine babes.....he's a real inspiration for "ugly" bruthaz....lol. A real American "rags to riches" story. Like he said in one of his song, "I went from rags to riches niggaz....I ain't dumb. I got 99 - (yall know the rest...lol)". BTW..... This is also another reason I like New York. Even though Black folks don't make up a majority of the city like Atlanta, Detroit, or New Orleans......the Black talent is still celebrated and praised! Imagine a PUBLIC LIBRARY featuring let alone honoring the work of a rapper in a city in the Midwest or South (outside of Atlanta).

Troy I don't have a problem with Al or any other Black "leader" busting moves from time to time. But when you have there White racists running around the nation armed to the teeth ambushing and killing Black folks....including elderly women and other soft targets- I want my "leader" to be more aggressive and forceful in giving instructions to the community on how to defend itself and protect itself. Dancing and voting every 4 years for which ever White man gives you the most promises seems to be the ONLY strategy Al has for protecting the community against racism. How about organizing some self-defense study groups around the nation? How about keeping a constantly updated data base for all of the White racists and their hate organizations? How about an organized plan in every major city to establish a Black bank and Supermarket? That would impress me more than watching some nigga in a suit with his hair slicked back doing the Running Man or Electric Slide with any sista willing to participate....lol. Mel I agree, though he has a small frame, and his build probably struggled with that extra weight. VERY small. I'm still not sure how he could carry so much fat around on such a small frame. Niccolo Does anyone know the leader of the Asian "community", the Spanish "community", the Indian "community", much less the Arab "community"? They have them....you can believe that. And if we don't know there names, it's probably because they're busy DOING THEIR JOBS. Some of the best leaders remain hidden and behind the scenes making things happen. Not being prominent and out front making a spectacle of yourself. There's a difference between a LEADER and an ENTERTAINER.

Niccas like this make me miss Herman Cain even more....lol.

Troy I'm from NYC and remember Rev Al when is was an obese, perm-sporting, medallion-wearing, jogging suit attired brother. He did not fit the mold of a leaders and was an easy target for ridicule. In his sermon he mention that a reporter told him that he was surprised Al would end up an a State dinner in the white house -- shoot I was surprised too! Of course Brother Al has modified his appearance conforming to the traditional mold -- indeed out dressing pretty much everyone. Do you remember when he got stabbed while he was out marching? Obama's embrace of Sharpton over Tavis Smiley and others was deliberate and ultimately divisive to Black leadership. I don't remember Obama embracing Sharpton over Tavis, perhaps he did but it seems that those two men served two entirely different roles in the community. Sharpton is an activist and stirs up the grassroots while Smiley was more of a journalist and commentator. I would think it wouldn't be about embracing one over the other but more about using both based on which ever role was needed at the time. However what you're saying is very possible because I remember Tavis offering very heavy criticism of Obama even BEFORE he became president and even in his early days in office. Much of the Black community was angry at Tavis for his critique of Obama and holding him to account for how he plans to help us versus being a pawn for the White establishment. Sharpton roles was apparently to keep the Blacks under control. Lol......that would be most Black "leaders" in the United States. One would think Obama would have assumed the leadership role, but I'm not surprised he hasn't... I'm not either....lol. He KNOWS he wouldn't be an effective leader of AfroAmericans. He's too thoughtful and logical minded to lead AfroAmericans. He's also too stiff and emotionless. To lead AfroAmericans you have to be loud, bold, and know how to express strong emotions and control the strong emotions of the community. Obama could lead intellectually.....but not Spiritually. ProfD Leaders take actions to motivate people to get on code and be ready to work or fight or whatever it takes to accomplish the mission. Yeah.... Now TRUMP is a sho' nuff leader! Not only does he run his mouth and speak the words people want to hear, he knows how to INSTRUCT those who follow him into taking action. He knows how to stir them up and send them out with an action plan. Over the past 50 years and counting, Black folks have been devoid of leadership. Although I understand the point you're making and agree theoretically if you're talking about POSITIVE leadership......I would say the opposite is actually true. Not only have we had definite leaders in the past 40 years, we've had TOO MANY leaders....leading our people in the WRONG direction. They're called RAPPERS. Starting with Run DMC, then Public Enemy, NWA and then Tupac and many others, rappers have been the main ones instructing the Black youth on how to dress, talk, act, and what to believe in and how to express themselves. And ofcourse many of THOSE rappers have been influenced and encouraged by the racist White executives who are paying them to promote dysfunction and degeneracy. Chev Thanks for posting You're more than welcomed queen!

Hey @Troy, For some reason I was thinking about @richardmurray earlier this week and how he posts threads about movies and music. Not sure how easy it is to program but maybe you should think about having a "Movie Night" forum where say....richardmurray or any poster can post a movie we can watch and have a little chat-room next to it so that members can watch it together and comment on it together in real time. Kind of like live videos on Youtube. For example, Somebody post the movie Three The Hard Way. When you first post it....you post it LIVE at a particular time for most of us regular members can log in and watch it together and comment on the side in the little chat-room. Ofcourse after the live you can watch it anytime and comment on it in the future. I'm not sure if there is any copyright obstacles to this but it's something to think about. Along that line, maybe you can come on and speak from time to time with a little chat-room next to the video where we can comment in real time. Just an idea.

Not sure what's going on here but I don't trust it. The case is too cold. It happened in Las Vegas where there are lights and cameras everywhere....THEY KNOW who killed Pac. They BEEN knowing who killed him. This is a charade as far as I'm concerned.

I believe that intelligent Entities from other planets and dimensions do exist, but I don't believe those "bodies" presented above are real. Those "bodies" presented look like stone statues to me. 2 things to keep in mind: 1. They most likely DO NOT have the bodies of any "aliens" in their possession. Chances are any Entities smart enough and advanced enough to travel all the way to this planet wouldn't be vulnerable enough to be shot down or taken captive by a bunch of semi-neanderthals.....lol. 2. Even if they DID somehow manage to get ahold of some "alien bodies"...those obviously aren't them and are stone statue carvings, not real bodies. If they do have bodies, they probably have them hidden in a military institution somewhere and not being carried around in a shoe-box to show off. White racists are masters of deception. They'll PUT OUT an obviously fake and phony looking statue to make most people with good sense believe the entire thing is a hoax so that they will dismiss the idea, meanwhile the "truth" will remain hidden or considered a "ridiculous conspiracy".

For basics..... Keeping the society relatively safe and stable. Establishing hospitals and keeping them operating and well stocked. Establishing schools and keeping them operating and in decent condition Keeping the electricity on and water running. Building and maintaining a decent sewer system. Building and maintaining a decent intra-national and inter-national transit system like busses, trains, and airports. Again, these are some of the basics functions and duties of what I consider an effective national government. Ofcourse much of it involves working with private companies but an effective government will oversee and manage it.

Well, Al Sharpton may not be THEE leader of Black America but he's certainly A leader and mobilizer. Take a look at the recent rather uplifting speech he gave at his church: I didn't realize that the Jacksonville Shooting took place at the same time the 60th anniversary of King's March was happening! But Mr. Sharpton put the two together like that. How ironic. How diabolical. Maybe some other publications mentioned it but I don't remember having heard this anywhere else in the media.

Perhaps......PERHAPS.....under the current two regimes (in the U.S. and Russia) there may not be direct conflict. But at some point the facade will be dropped and the gloves will come off. Those nukes aren't going to just disappear. Somebody HAS to use them. I'm not a weapons scientist so I don't know how long nuclear weapons last of if they have an "expiration date"....lol....but I don't see people just letting them rot and become unstable. I believe INITIALLY those nukes were designed from Africa and Asia....not eachother. Just incase an African or Asian nation got "too powerful" and became a threat to the Caucasian world, they'd TRY to nuke them to neutralize them. But the Universe has a way of establishing justice and turning the powers of evil against eachother. At some point somebody is going to get in office either in the U.S. or Russia who ain't down with the "program" and will see the other nation TRULY as an enemy and seek to destroy them.

ProfD Lol...he might have been sick before but dancing around like that he seems pretty healthy now. Especially at his age. Not sure when the video was taken but it seem to be fairly recently like within the past 5 years. He's 68 now, so he was clearly in his 60s when he was freakin' that lady up and down....lol. Don't look like arthritis was holding him back either...lol.

Does atleast one country operates effectively in Africa? It's hard for ME to say because I haven't been to any African nation yet, however based on what I've studies and heard from those who've been there....... Nigeria, South Africa, Tanzania, and Kenya aren't doing too bad as far as maintaining stable governments and economies. Ofcourse they have challenges as most nations do, but they aren't experiencing coups every couple of years and nation wide black-outs like some other African countries are. But again, if I'm not over there to witness first hand what's going on....it's hard to produce and accurate assessment.

POWERFUL observation and statement. This entire "stop playing victim" theme was really born out of the 80s with Ronald Reagan and the conservative movement as they tried to shame Black folks into not complaining about racism. -Stop playing victim. -Get over the past. -Stop with all the complaining. -No one likes a complainer -Stop the bitching and moaning All of these are terms that White folks love to use....ON BLACK FOLK when we speak up and stand up for ourselves or point out injustice. However if you notice they never use them on eachother! When a White woman gets on televison crying about how she's been raped, you never hear a White man tell her to "stop playing victim". When White Republicans get on television or the radio complaining about a law or state of the nation, you don't hear White folks tell them to "stop complaining" or "if you don't like this country than leave it". It's a form of reverse psychology or perhaps gas-lighting to try to turn the tables on the victim so that they'll be ashamed to speak up.

I don't know exactly why but every time I read this statement I laugh.....lol. I guess I picture you hurriedly slapping sandwiches together and driving kids back and forth to school and washing clothes for about a decade.....too tired to do anything else, lol. Do you mean to tell me you were too busy parenting to even listen to the music back then????

If anything, they should have kept Professor Griff and ditched Flav.....lol. I still think it was wrong they way they did Griff. He didn't say anything that Public Enemy as a group weren't rapping about anyway. His remarks CERTAINLY weren't nearly as anti-semitic as Ice Cube's were in No Vaseline....yet Ice Cube went on to have a major successful career in Hollywood. Troy Are you talking about this video? .....the video and radio version was the EDITED version, lol. I come to find out later that about a quarter of the actual lyrics were edited out to shorten the song! Here's the song in it's original totality:

The thing about crime in the 'hood or ghetto is..... Usually if you aren't INVOLVED in it....you don't experience it and usually don't even observe it. This isn't always the case obviously, because bullets don't have names on them (unless they come from a racist who scribbles racist rhetoric on them). But usually. Based on what I've seen and know living in and near different hoods around the nation, I'd say over 90% of the time if you 1. Stay to yourself Don't go thugging and getting involved in illegal shit Don't hang out with thugs and gangsters....including dating them and screwing them. 2. Mind your own business If you see shit going down don't get involved in it trying to be Superman. And DON'T LET YOUR WOMAN DO IT EITHER! I've told so many brothers, WE need to be the man in the relationship and stop letting these women get you in trouble by involving themselves and you in shit that ain't none of yall business. Infact, don't even stand there STARING at people who are engaged in dope dealing or fighting.....just act like you don't see it and keep it moving. If you want to help somebody who is a victim...try to wait until the perpetrators are GONE so you can help them and call 911. Don't do like a lot of wealthy White folks do and scream: "Well I'm gonna call the cops RIGHT NOW!" As if THAT'S supposed to stop everybody from doing what they're doing. ....and end up getting jacked up and peed on while laying out on the ground. If you do this, you'll usually be safe even in the roughest of areas. Again....usually.

The way they're tip-toing...... Something tells me even if there IS a direct act of aggression on either side....they'll probably try to have a series of negotiations to iron it out before escalating. Infact, the initial act of direct aggression (if one hasn't already occurred) will probably be called a "mistake" by the media in order to conceal it while both sides try to work things out. However a direct all out war between the U.S. and Russia IS coming eventually. All of this tip-toing is just prolonging the inevitable.

He's certainly A spoke-person and what some would call a "leader" or "leading voice" in Black America, but I wouldn't say he's THEE leader. BTW...I think he may need to gain a little more weight. His body is smaller but his head seems to be the same size. Grinning and dancing around....obviously he's not sick, so it's amazing how small his actual frame is and how he managed to carry so much weight around when he was younger.