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Now see...... That's what I'm talking about. THAT attitude right there. You CLAIM that you're not interested in them and THAT'S why you haven't pulled them. But come on bro...you KNOW there are some fine ass Ethiopian, East Indian, or Arab women out there with wide hips, smooth brown skin, and big round butts like any AfroAmerican sista. Don't tell me you aren't attracted. You don't focus on them because....like most FBA bruthas...you know you don't have much of a chance. So you don't waste your time with them. But THEY ARE WOMEN and they are IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. So now a situation has been set up that we haven't seen since slavery. Black American men have been conditioned to see entire groups and their women in a "separate class" and many of our bruthaz see that class as SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH. Let's keep it real. This is the problem I was getting at in the other threads. Too many Black men (I'm not talking about you but I'm using this example) have basically submitted to being 2nd class citizens in their own country.

But with all due respect sir......lol....I asked you about those SPECIFIC groups. I didn't ask you about how many Black American, White, or even Latina women you may have pulled. I didn't ask about "foreign" or "exotic" or any other vague term. I asked you how many Eritrean/Ethiopian/Somali women (since they are plentiful in that region), Arab women, or East Indian women, or Asian women...have you pulled? They are WOMEN. If you don't have problems getting WOMEN, then you shouldn't have problems getting THEM. So, can I get a number....as Mr.Bobby would say....please sir, lol.

I've being getting these "doses" for a while here and there, lol. Like I've said many times before, I work around a lot of Africans. After I got let go from my old job for not getting the vaccine and I found this new one a few years ago, more and more AfroAmericans on the job have been getting replaced by Africans. When I first got to that job, it was about 50/50. But gradually the Africans began to replace the FBA and on that same tip...the Latinos began to replace the White population. Except for the office/administrative areas where the Whites still dominate. Now where most of the employees work, of the entire Black population.....it's about 75% African, 10% West Indian, and 15% Black American. That Haitian sista I referred to was a pretty "down" and conscious young lady, and very fine to! She was born in Haiti but raised on the Eastcoast and Midwest and thinks more inline with FBA than with Caribbeans born and raised on the island who migrate here. Infact, like I said we have quite a few Haitians and Jamaicans at my job. Of the THOUSANDS of people who work at the actual facility, they are obviously a minority...but enough of them for a conscious brutha like ME to take notice of them, lol. But as far as not being able to protect the women.... An Arab or Indian girl told me that one time when I was in my early 20s. Even THEN I was conscious of how Black men were treated by these other groups, so I asked one and she said that if she were to get involved with a "Black guy" her father and family would disown her and may even try to hurt her and how many "Black guys" would be able to take care of her or provide for her if she's put out of her house? And what if she get's pregnant, what are the chances of him sticking around to take care of her and raise the child? And if the men in her family try to hurt her, could she rely on him for protection or would he tell her to call the police and then hang up the phone and go to bed? She said all of that (and more...but I forgot) and it really brought home to me the situation a lot of these women are in and how they can't afford to literally go "fucking around". That was back in the 90s, but I still remember it.

Hmmm.....🤔 Have you ever pulled an Arab woman? What about an East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, etc...) or East Indian? There are THOUSANDS of the in the DMV; have you ever bedded down an Eritrean, Ethiopian, or Somali woman?

ProfD Otherwise, "Do unto others as you would would have them do unto you" is a metaphor for how humans should treat each other. There is no disconnect or misunderstanding, I know EXACTLY what you're saying. It's what President Obama would call a "fundamental disagreement" You believe that you should treat people the way YOU would like to be treated or make them feel the way YOU would like to feel....I don't. I don't think some people DESERVE to be treated the way me or others are treated. I don't think some people DESERVE to feel the way I or others feel. Every doctor who takes the oath is bound to it. Ok And what material or substance is "binding" them to that oath and holding them to honor it? In other words.... If they BREAK that oath, who's going to hold them accountable for their actions and what will the consequences be?

As much as I complain about Black men not getting the respect and love (things that Neely Fuller Jr. said you should never "ask" for) as I THINK we should get from other races, a situation happened Friday that reminded me of one of the reasons we don't and also makes we wonder if how other non-White peoples treat us and see us is somewhat justified to a certain extent. During lunch time a Haitian woman from the administrative department who talks with me and other Black Americans a lot came to the cafeteria crying with her eyes all red and puffy, visibly upset, and didn't waste any time telling us about some White dude who is a manager in the her department who kept sending her pictures of his dick on her phone and into her email and is now threatening to go to her facebook page and post it if she doesn't give him some action. He is also threatening to tell her boyfriend (who is Haitian) that they have a sexual relationship with eachother....if she doesn't give him some action. My female friend told me this was going on for months but it was just a little gossip she mentioned here and there, but when we saw her today it was out in the open! We told her to tell HR and she said she was afraid to do so because she said they probably wouldn't believe her. This isn't the first case btw, there have been nearly a dozen cases of White men harassing Black women that I KNOW of who they don't go to HR about it. The more she cried, the angrier I got and I almost started yelling at her that she should atleast try or maybe even go to law enforcment or something. The other brutha at our table just listened but didn't have much to say about it, the sista kept trying to calm her down and when she left she got on me for being "insensitive" about the situation. She really pulled my coat on this and pretty much told me that I was more interested in harming the White dude than I was in making sure the Haitian woman was safe and could keep her job and THAT was the problem. I had to shut up and agree with her and then it made me think. Then I was remined of something Neely Fuller Jr. told a caller a few years ago who called in complaining about why African immigrants don't talk to and communicate more with Black Americans. Questions I had also so I thought they were legitimate. And almost verbatim Mr. Fuller said in that deep strong voice, "Talk to us about WHAT? What do THEY have to talk with US about? They came here for jobs and opportunity, not a bunch of talk. I mean...can WE offer them what the White people who brought them here offer them? Now THAT'S something to talk about.....if you want to have a conversation. Otherwise....there's nothing to talk about. What will an African immigrant or any OTHER immigrant get from talking with some random Black person on the street....besides....maybe chased DOWN the street if he stops and talks to the WRONG Black person." I had to laugh and laugh and laugh at that response and I STILL think about it from time to time obviously, because as sad as it was...he was on point and it helps me make a lot of sense out of how other people see us and treat us and WHY. As Black men...especially Black American men....what jobs or benefits do we have to offer these immigrants and other non-White peoples that they should side with US over White people? We're BOTH working at jobs owned by Whites. Many people still IN Africa, Asian, and Latin America are working at jobs owned by Whites. Many of them are sending money home and helping to support their families from jobs owned by White folks, can I beat that and offer them BETTER help? What housing do I have for them or even myself? What hospital do I have for them to take their children to when they get sick? I didn't even bring them into this country they are enjoying NOR do I have the power to keep them here if White folks decided to deport them. Do I even have a right to complain about them choosing to side with and support White people and ignore us?

I didn't answer the question because it wasn't asked out of sincerity. Cynique was just hatin' as usual and THAT'S why she asked that question. You could ask the same question for HALF of the things people say in this forum. "How do you know?" "You got proof?" "Who told you this?" Since she doesn't want to believe ME, let Del or someone she believes in come on and tell her the same thing and maybe she'll accept it. "Wow.... I didn't realize this was the case until you told me! This was the first time someone told me this in a way I understood it! Thank you for the insight!"

ProfD The question remains would you want the same treatment. The answer is I WOULD NOT want a woman to treat me like I treat HER. Even prostate exams are uncomfortable. One could only imaging what it would be like having a soul pole being slid in and out of you. Clearly, they weren't bound to the hippocratic oath. And how many doctors around this planet today do you think ARE actually bounds to and honor that oath? You're doing harm when you prescribe a medicines that you know will cause side effects that are often times worse than the malady you're treating.

I'm going to give you back YOUR OWN advice...... Go to a night club, find a woman sitting down chilling and tell her you want to "cut a rug" with her, and don't interrupt....wait for her response or better yet her reaction. Then tell her it was just a figure of speech and again check her response/reaction. Then if she's still looking at you......lol....tell her it was just a joke "Can't you take a joke, daaang girl!!!". If she's still sitting there......check her response/reaction. ....and PLEASE get back to me with your findings ASAP, lol.

Chev Yes, I that is why we over here have been defined in some books as being Afro-Asiatic. I used to wonder why initially, but later, I came to realize that a lot of history has been hidden about our origins in the Orient. When you say "we" do you mean "we" as Americans in general or "we" as in AfroAmericans specifically? My son's ancestry test shows this break down. It said that he had Ethiopian and Kenyan genetics and India. I was not surprised about ancestry from India as this was always told to me. And, I obtained the documents of my Great grandfather who came from India as well. And I also know about the East African origins too due to family stories. But the history and cultures of both the Hebasha and the people of India is vast and covers over a thousand years. The Nation of Islam teaches that Africans...though always having had dark skin...originally had straight hair and thin noses. They came from Asian and went INTO Africa for a purpose and as they went further into the continent and their lifestyles began to change...so did their facial features and hair texture. They teach that this happened over a course of THOUSANDS of years. Whether people want to believe this or not, clearly those people of North East Africa...the section you'd have to pass through if you came from Asian to migrate to the rest of Africa...have straighter hair and thinner noses than most other Black Africans though their skins are generally the same color. You also see GRADUAL changes in features the further in you go. So the evidence is there.

Man you ain't choppin' up SHIT if you go over to a woman NOW a days talking about "cuttin' a rug"....LMBAO. That's even more old school than Troy's going up to women taking a bow and holding out his hand talking about "may I have this dance?" Them kid'll RUN your ass out the club...lol. I was out the other day and heard an older brutha talk about how he used love to "step out" with lady and go "shake his legs" at the cabaret....lol.

ProfD I'm referring to any problems men over 50 years old have and hide and as a result are even more gun shy when it comes to women. Well, whatever problems they're having...a few of these bruthaz clearly aren't shy about it the way they chase after women. They CHASE...but it appears the women don't allow them to catch, lol. They have to put themselves in a better position to attract those women. Not gonna fall into their lap. Well some of them are at work, a few are in my neighborhood so in both ENVIRONMENTS (Realities?...lol) there are plenty of women around and they talk to them. Again, despite that she may be a nymph, your argument is that she should be available to Black men. Yes, they should. I'm not saying they should be attracted to EVERY Black American man obviously....but most. If she's a true Nympho...race/ethnicity shouldn't really matter much. Yet, there are Black men who are banging the h8ll out foreign women at home and abroad. You are speaking of a FRACTION of the population. There are Black men who are banging the hell out of SOME OTHER BLACK MEN, if you want to go that route...lol. I'm not focusing on marginal cases, but the norm or atleast what SHOULD be the norm. A man who amassea a multi-million fortune isn't down. He's considered successful. Right. I said that in reference to you suggesting that a doctor who marries a brutha who owns a barbershop was "marrying down". Troy This must be a class issue. I don't know anyone in my peer group who is make that has never been married and wants to be. It is. It may come as a surprise to you, but every Black person wasn't ALLOWED to attend those marvelous Jack and Jill get-to-gethers where young Black people are hooked up at an early age..lol. Has it occurred to you that this brother might be lying? Has he described any failed attempts? Well, I think MOST men lie when it comes to their sex lives, so yes...lol. However I think he's RELATIVELY honest about his lack of success. I don't see what benefit he'd get from lying about NOT getting any trim. He doesn't describe any failed attempts outside of the vague, "Man I be tryna talk to these women man and they ain't tryna holla"...lol. I don't see him trying too hard; but again he's 61 so perhaps he tried so much in the past that he's all but given up trying. But if some women walk past us while we're talking or they're sitting on the porch outside, he'll comment on his attraction to them or how he'd like to get with her.

Troy Yep, I heard the same thing. It was a psychological game designed to make you mentally and emotionally strong to face the challenges that will come your way as a Black man in this society. Now that you mentioned it, Snappin' actually WAS the first term I heard for it and that was when I was in the 2nd and 3rd grade. But that was back in the 70s. By the time the 80s came along and I got into Middle School and Highschool..that term had expired in Detroit and we started calling it Cappin'. The only difference is, when you got ruthless with it and relentlessly went after your opponent, it then became "roastin'"...lol. The Old Heads said that The Dozens would lead to fights, but I'll be honest...with all of the snappin' and cappin' we'd do...I never saw it lead to an actual fight. I remember as a LITTLE kids the older boys used to LINE US UP in 2 lines that would face eachother and encourage us to "cap on" eachother, then the next two boys, then the next...lol. By the mid-90s...."cappin'" meant shooting....lol

Yes, but nearly all of Kanye's women are CAUCASIAN. They may vary in ethnicity and "flavor" but they are all pretty much of the same race, which is variation of the Caucasian race. Has anyone seen him with a Somali woman or Japanese woman or Zulu woman or Mestiza woman from Guatemala? And that's another thing I've noticed. Almost without fail, I seem to attract Caucasian women regardless of their ethnicity or cultural background even if the OTHER racial women of that group don't approach me. For example, I can be around a bunch of Mexicans and the smaller brown Mestiza and Indigenous looking Latinas (whom I actually like more) will barely look at me, but the white looking very light skinned woman with the slim frame will stare at me, smile, and even make conversation. Same with Turkish/Arab women. It seems that Caucasian women have a natural attraction towards Black men.

ProfD Reality is whatever happens in the real world. Not a mythical or magical place that only exists in one's head. Well....OUR (the "shared") Reality is. Based on my current beliefs, Mythical and magical places are Realities too, just not part of THIS Reality. But they do exist in other Realities or you wouldn't have thought of them. Everything in between is personal reality based on how one thrives and survives this existence i.e. experiences. I don't dig the "personal reality" thing too tough. Perhaps what you're calling a "personal Reality" is merely a personal perspective or position or experience INSIDE the SAME REALITY as other people. No two people share the exact same experiences throughout a lifetime. Not even people born of multiple births. Correct. But they share the SAME REALITY and have those different experience in that SAME REALITY. frankster All perspective is a Personal Reality.....be they hallucinatory illusionary or delusionary I'll have to disagree. A perspective is a PERSPECTIVE....not a Reality. A perspective is HOW YOU VIEW/INTERPRET that Reality, but it doesn't change that Reality. Now hallucinations and illusions are a different topic. Now you're talking about OTHER Realities blending in and interfering with THIS Reality. Delusions are a DISTORTED PERCEPTION of this Reality. Like a 300 pound Black man looking like Rick Ross putting on a wig and wiggling down the street calling himself a "White woman" That's not his Reality. That's his DISTORTED PERCEPTION of the Reality of who he actually is. Environments are Shared Realities.... Facts From a Personal Reality he is right... When at my Parent's home I am a son and sibling......when I am home with wife and kids I am a husband and father but it is the same Shared Reality.... Different POSITIONS in that same SHARED REALITY. Not a "personal reality". I DO believe Personal Realities exist by the way. But just moving from one spot to the next, or accepting one title or position over another isn't that. In short what they are saying is that your Personal Reality changes every instant....even while our Shared Reality changes Gradually You may be on to something. There are those who believe we are constantly MOVING through multiple Realties; billions or more times per second. Cynique Anxious about where I'll be when I m not anymore. Well you can stop worrying, because you will NEVER "not be".

ProfD Surely, you're going in (pun intended) with the belief that she wants to please you as well. Quid pro quo. Maybe I'm being to technical with it but, it seems as if you're taking it from: TREATING people the way you want to be treated to MAKING PEOPLE FEEL the way you want to be felt. I gave the illustration because obviously you can't treat everyone YOU want to be treated. What YOU may want may be harmful or offensive to them. That was my point. Slippery slope depending on who's determining what someone else deserves. Correct. That can be said about most social situations. Medical professionals take an oath to do no harm. They cannot purposefully prescribe the wrong meds. They can't? Somebody should have told Hitler and his Nazi doctors that when they were running experiments on and poisioning people by the thousands. Chev I have to say that you are right. I'm USUALLY right, lol.

In keeping with the actual THEME of this thread: Degrees of Blackness. How "Black" is Neely Fuller Jr. ???? I think Laydee Gaga mentioned that he didn't look Black or that he was basically a White man with a little bit of Black in him...lol. I "could" agree with those assessments and I wouldn't argue them; but I would say, he doesn't look like an actual White man to me. He looks mixed and definitely leaning toward the White side. However I and many other AfroAmericans have grown up seeing people in our family lineage who looked like him but were "accepted" as being Black. He looks a little like and sounds even more like my Grandfather. Deep voice with a strong Southern AfroAmerican dialect. Although I wouldn't call him Black, I would definitely call him an AfroAmerican....part of our ethnic group.

Colorism is still strong in our community but it wasn't like it was back in the 80s and 90s. Back in school kids would sit around in class straight up ROASTING eachother with the jokes and insults and they all had the same 4 themes: 1. You so ugly 2. You so Black 3. Yo mama does this or that 4. Yo clothes/shoes are this or that They called it the "dozens" back in the day but by the time I went to school, that term was no longer being used. We called it Cappin' or Roastin'...lol. When I was a kid I didn't get the "you so Black" jokes but I did get the "you so ugly" jokes. I had a White teacher who would just sit around and listen to us. She didn't try to stop it, she just observed what was going on....which I now realize she was actually STUDYING us and our behavior. She once asked us, "Why do you guys talk about eachother's mothers like that?" I don't think we gave her an answer. We just continued with our insults. "Nicca yo mama like a door knob....everybody get a turn"

That's what I do a lot of the times when I go out. I'm not the one to be loud and get drunk and act up. I didn't do that when I was younger. Mack 10 said, "Gangstaz don't dance...we boogie"...lol. I'll get on the dance floor and freak a woman down if she invites me to, but generally speaking on the OCCASION that I go to a club....I'll sit at a table and sip on a drink while kicking it with whoever I came in with WHILE scanning the scene trying to make eye-contact with a few honeyz...lol.

ProfD They sure did wait a long time before deciding to settle down. Coinciding with getting older and the *problems* that come with it. Sheeeeyit, what "problems" is YOU talking about???? Lol. Actually, my sexual performance has gotten BETTER in my mid-50s than it was in my 20s because it takes me a longer time to nut. But these dudes I'm referring to are a bit of a mix between some who want to "settle down" and others who are looking for women to just have sexual fun with. I don't blame either for wanting to do "their thing". Also, these men I'm refering to are complaining about not being able to attract ANY of the women they want. I know of a brutha right now who is 61 years old, says he's straight, and looks pretty decent but there is no history of him having a woman although he claims he wants one. Although I don't have problems finding women if they are AfroAmerican (or White American if I want one), I do consider it a problem that I see so many African, Caribbean, and East Indian woman in my environment that I haven't been able to pull....so I understand how many of them feel. That doesn't read like a prime candidate for a 6 figure woman. Depends on what she's looking for. Ever heard of a "nymphomaniac"??? A certain percentage of women ONLY want sex from a man. That's another issue I have with a lot of these non-FBA women. Every group has a certain amount of nymphos who don't care about a man's money, race, religion or, status...as long as he can get an erection. Yet even THEY don't approach Black American men. There's no shortage of average men. Fewer successful men especially among Black folks. It depends on what one considered "successful". Success simply means accomplishing your goals. But I agree, as I've said numerous times and have been saying for atleast 20 years....there are PLENTY of good normal Black men out there. This myth about their being a "shortage" of Black men is straight up bullshit. An excuse for sistaz who are either lesbian or pink-peter-eaters. They didn't want to just come right out and say they didn't find Black men attractive anymore, so they had to make EXCUSES for why they weren't with one. Today on the internet...they are being more open and honest about how they feel. When parents groom their children to become successful they don't encourage them to marry "down". a) How many Black American parents are actually "grooming" their children today? Is the Boule as strong as it used to be? b) How is a doctor who marries a business owner marrying "down"? So if a brutha owns a chain of Soul Food restaurants and is a multi-millionaire, because he may not have a college degree...he's "beneath" her too? Then, those same n8gglets will ride around in her luxury car flexing and trying to pick up broke azz women. Perhaps. Men tend to cheat, even when they're with good partners who are attractive and treat them well. What you said reminds me of some scenes from the movie Baby Boy...lol. Marriages dissolve every day. New relationships are formed. True. However they usually DISSOLVE for the wrong reasons just like they usually are FORMED for the wrong reasons.

Those Freak Off parties.... Another negative set of imagery they're going to promote to scare women of other races and ethnicities away from Black men. Just shooting arrows left and right. But sometimes these images have a way of backfiring. A lot of White women seek out Black men LOOKING FOR those same hyper-sexual stereotypes they been told about us all of their lives. Perhaps one of the biggest mistakes Black men have made was "down playing" our sexuality and our sexual power.

She was always sexy to me, but her mouth kind of poked out giving her not the most attractive face. But that body was always lovely...lol. This is one of the reasons why I don't understand how so many Trump supporting Black men could fall for that racist "Michelle used to be Michael" shit. Except for maybe a little extra muscle tone in the arms...there was and is nothing masculine about the way Michelle looks.

Chev I work with some people from Ethiopia and they lovingly refer to their land as Habesha. Interesting how you talk about the association between the Habesha people of Ethiopia/Eritrea and those of India. I also find it interesting that of all of the Africans, it appears that the ones from that region tend to look the most similar to 1. Black Americans 2. East Indians I believe that many of the Habesha migrated over to India during the expansion of the Islamic Empire. But after the Roman empire times, the idols were made to be other different colors just like Saint Nicholas. During the Etruscan times, St. Nicholas was made to be Chola, Cholchian, or Cole black. But after Rome became an empire, the image changed to being made in different colors It's funny timing that you said this. I was listening to Tariq Nasheed the other day and he mentioned how St.Nicholas was originally a Black man but they changed him to White. Ofcourse St. Nicholas is where we get the legends of "St.Nick" and Santa Claus from. And just like the origins of the Cholchians We discussed their origins before but I don't think we came to an agreement on it. I said that these Colchians who resided mostly in the Black Sea and Caucasus Mountains region were the remnants of the Black soldiers who were sent up from Africa/Middle East to keep the wild White tribes contained. The so-called "Watchers" of ancient scriptures. Who were they sent down to "watch"? They were dispatched to watch the wild White folks who were banished into the mountains and keep them contained.

frankster I believe there are multiple Realities and I obviously believe we exist in shared Realities as well, since we're sharing THIS one and dialoging. But my point is, some people talk of different Realities when they really mean different perspectives or different environments. Like the brutha at work who thinks changing environments is actually changing Realities. Everything isn't a "reality", even if it IS personal. It's like two people living in the same house arguing about: "In MY house we take out the trash every Wednesday" "Well I don't know about YOUR house but in MY house, we take out the trash whenever it's full!" Two people living in the SAME house, but they're talking like it's two different houses. But Troy may just dismiss that as "metaphorically speaking" or just a poetic way of getting your point across...lol.

Chev Yes, I can see that! But, I wonder too, if this is king of like a way to protect yourself, I mean, like settling for little things and adopting 'habits' because of settling for little pleasures just to avoid oppression. Ofcourse. It's human nature to try to make a difficult situation as easy and tolerable as you can. If they don't know how to END their oppression, then they try to make it less painful. That's understandable. I think they 'we' want freedom but some of us have given up on the reality of it ever happening, so we settle. Oh sis....you'd be surprised at how many of our people DON'T want freedom. They love it just the way it is. As long as they continue to legalize weed and spray more of that sparkling shit on it and have free give aways so that they can get as high and go as crazy as they want. And don't let a McDonalds or White Castle open up across the street from the weed shop. ....it's over Some of these niggaz don't want freedom. The just want a nicer, gentler, more loving master who will put more butter on their biscuits. ProfD There's no confusion when treating others as one (you) want to be treated. But you CAN'T always treat people the way YOU want to be treated. When I'm intimate with a woman I want her to open up and let me slide inside. I don't want the same done to ME!!!! I say, you treat people how they SHOULD be treated. Nobody deserves to be mistreated. I didn't say MIS-treated. I said that some people need DIFFERENT treatment than others. If you're giving them what they DESERVE....then it's not mistreating them. Just like different medical conditions require different treatments..... If you go to a medical professional with asthma, you wouldn't want him or her to treat you the same as he just finished treating someone who had genital herpes! Talking about: "Ooooh no! We treat everybody the same when they walk through THESE doors. Now DROP 'em" Everybody should be treated ACCORDINGLY based primarily on their needs and deeds.