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They didn't do it in 3-4 years. Why should we expect them to do this in 2-3 months?

ProfD The Democrats have plenty time to retool and become stronger. They need to change their entire philosophy and start focusing on WINNING instead of this "moral highground" rhetoric. As much as I thought Michelle should have ran, to be real....SHE is often one of the main ones talking this: "When they go low...we go high" bullshit. Democrats need to learn the art of psychological warfare, learn how to fight dirty, and play to actually WIN. And they also need to start focusing more on helping their BASE. As you said in the other thread, they strayed too far from the Left. Cynique You're talking "dynasty"! Ever heard of the BUSHES (George H.W. and George W.)? She's uptight and humorless. What??? Who are you talking about???? Troy Kamala was objectively a better candidate than the former First Lady — despite what that silly poll says. She LOST didn't she...lol. So how do we know Michelle WOULDN'T have been better? You want to call the poll "silly" simply because you disagree with it. It is hard to believe you are serious sometimes If you don't see that "lol" at the end of the statement, I usually am.

ProfD Both. The Democrats strayed too far from the Left and propped up a weak candidate. I agree! They strayed too far to the Right in order to try to win over people who would NEVER vote or them and ended up losing a large portion of their base. When was the last time you heard any Democrat talk about increasing social programs and public assistance benefits? They don't even mention that anymore. But so many people are hungry and facing homelessness. The Democrats have always been spineless. I wouldn't say "always"...but certainly since Reagan. Back in the 60s and especially in the 30s and 40s under Roosevelt, the Democrats were the shit. Troy help me put something into perspective; who did you vote for? I voted or the person I felt would promote MY interests. -Reparations -Universal Healthcare -Criminal Justice Reform .....that's who I voted for, lol.

The reason it won't work is because most women enjoy sex as much as men do. They'd be punishing THEMSELVES...lol. I think a few people suggested that a while back to stop the violence in Chicago. Spike Lee made a movie (Chi-raq) about women going on a sex strike and not giving up the coochie until the thugging and killing stopped. ...that didn't last long. The women started the strike...and it was the WOMEN who ended the strike, lol.

@frankster Lol... So, are you going to tell us about your Marijuana experiences or not?

Troy your 61-year-old friend is clearly not interested in a woman. Maybe, maybe not. But as I said, there are a LOT of Black men in this society that I know offline who are having trouble actually forming sexual relationships with women. And these men aren't deformed or retarded or psychotic. They are relatively normal. I actually know a few White men in the same condition, but many more Black men. Since being a kid I've known dudes who didn't SEEM to be gay and SEEMED to like women, but for one reason or another just didn't have or want an actual girl/woman. But the difference is, back then they would still have SOME girls/women approaching them and trying to get with them even if they showed little interest. What seems ODD to me about his situation and others is the fact that women aren't hitting on them now, as they did in the past. There seems to be a DIS-INTEREST in them by women, which in my opinion is unnatural. Even if a man isn't interested in women, if he looks relatively normal and isn't running off into the woods crazy...there used to be a time where atleast a FEW lonely women in the community would be "checking" for him and asking about him and even following him around jocking for his attention. I don't see that happening now. Besides media influence and social engineering, perhaps it comes from the probability that there may be TOO MANY MEN in this society...lol. Of all races In the past, because of the military and war and other factors...women tended to outnumber men. Today I see just as many if not more men of all races walking around on the streets, in the malls, at work, etc...than women. Perhaps the "over abundance" of men have lowered their value in the eyes of some women. ProfD Mature women have just as much to lose as a man. They see the value in boundaries too The thing I love about mature women is that they know EXACTLY what they want and play far fewer games. If all they want is sex, they pretty much make that clear. And like you said, they see the value in boundaries. I have my place and you have yours. You aren't trying to sneak over to my place and half-way live with me because you don't have anywhere else to go. You have your own place and your own life. I like that.

ProfD Yet, nobody is asking white women why so many of them still voted for POTUS OJ despite his offenses against their own gender. To keep it real, I actually HAVE seen a few articles holding White women accountable or this. Not many, but some. Like you said, many more articles shaking their fingers at Black men for not supporting Kamala more, when actually I heard a statistic that 80% of Black men DID vote for her. At any rate, it's like we discussed the other week BEFORE the election. These women have to be loyal to the men who can actually provide or and protect them. Trump represents White male power. There is security and even a measure of COMFORT for a lot of people, in that. AfroAmerican male power? Latino male power? They aren't sure about. Infact, they aren't even sure if it even exists. Look at how many Black Democrat mayors have been prosecuted and indicted lately and the Democrat leadership hasn't even come to their defense! I said a while back that a lot of older White women and a lot of older TRUE White liberals were angry at AfroAmericans! ....not out of racism but out of a feeling of betrayal. Why? Back in the 60s and 70s they felt they put so much heart and effort into fighting the system and racism and oppression only for so many Black folks to either "give up" or "join" the damn system they were fighting against. They see 2 or 3 generations later niggaz running around here calling themselves "Black Conservatives" parroting racist right-wing narratives and NOW you have Black MAGA/Trump supporters! People don't want to get behind or support CONFUSION. They don't want to support Kamala and diss Trump only for the Black Democrats to get lazy and sit on the couch during the mid-term elections OR for the next generation to FORGET how racist the Republicans have been and come on television wearing MAGA caps like Kanye and making fools of themselves arguing against their own best interests. So if I were a White woman I probably would have voted for Trump too because atleast I can pretty much count on the Republicans to protect me and look out for me IF I support them. With Democrats and Black politicians....they're too flip-floppy and cowardly right now.

I haven't been to Mexico City yet but I've been to some of the border towns. It was an experience. Unlike Canada, as soon as you cross the Mexican border you IMMEDIATELY realize that you're no longer in the United States and that you're in a relatively 3rd world country. Just seeing some of the Mexican border patrol and police officers with no undershirt on and sweat stains on their uniforms; things that you rarely see in the United States. The buildings were low, more brownish and dingy looking like they needed painting, but the people were happier and more energetic.

I'm not sure where ProfD got that "94,000,000" figure for the projected Hispanic population BUT it could very well be a fact I the Trump Administration doesn't carry out his promised mass deportations. According to the stats, the LEGAL Latino population in the U.S. now parallels the AfroAmerican population....which is about 50 million. While we don't know EXACTLY how many illegals are in the U.S. some say there are about 20 to 30 million and possibly even more. Even if THEY are illegal, the children they end up having here ARE legal and can easily be counted in the general population. So 50 million (legal) + 25 million (illegal) = 75 million A growing population currently at 75 million people can produce 90 million in 20 years.

Teaching our children how to read as early as possibly should be a top priority in our community. My Mother taught me how to read at 3 years old, even before entering school....and I've loved reading ever since.

All of that talk and hyping up Trump so many Black folks were doing at his rallies and on social media; grinning and holding up signs and shit....and they're ALREADY giving LATINOS the credit for his win! In Michigan they're trying to say the Arabs in Deaborn (only a FRACTION Michigan's voting population compared to the Black vote) helped him win Michigan! Bullshit. I've seen news story after news story of them claiming the Latino vote is what helped Trump win the election and almost NOTHING is mentioned about the "Blacks for Trump" or the Black men who voted for him. I'm telling yall right now, the set up is coming...... What "set up"? 1. The plan to ignore the Black population, as usual...and do more for the Latinos. And use THIS as an excuse to do it. 2. Quite possibly....and this is one of the few times I hope I'm wrong about....use this rhetoric as an excuse to NOT mass deport the tens of millions of illegal HISPANIC immigrants like he promised but instead pivot the focus on BLACK immigrants who are here from places like Haiti, Jamaica, and parts of Africa. I saw it coming when they started talking about Haitians "eating pets" and people making open vows to deport them. They didn't talk about the Latinos like that no matter what they did. That may have been their plan all along. To cut down on the Black immigrant population while leaving the non-Black Latino population intact; but they had to come up with an EXCUSE to do it. This "We were helped by the Latino community so they're our friends now.", bullshit would be a convenient excuse for this Administration to focus on the Black immigrants and leave the Hispanic ones alone.

ProfD You said BOTH lost because they are women, but Hilary Clinton (a woman) received more POPULAR VOTE than Trump! She only lost because she didn't fight of the ELECTORAL votes. Not out of popularity. So the majority of the population...or voters atleast...back in 2016 actually DID want to see a woman as President! I don't believe America is a sexist OR racist country. I believe there are sexists and racists IN America. That difference in thinking is the key could be the key to our collective Success in this nation. If AfroAmericans.... Especially AfroAmerican youth.... ...are convinced that this nation is inherently unfair, biased, and simply racist. Then many if not most will subconsciously question why even bother TRYING to assume positions of power and try to achieve success. Even when racism was OFFICIAL and part of U.S. POLICY...Jim Crow, legal Segregation, etc....you have plenty of AfroAmerican success in the forms of farms, land ownership, businesses, bus lines, etc. Because they realized the despite the racists in power, the land ITSELF and money ITSELF wasn't racist and could be used to their benefit. A Black man OR Black woman can still be President of this nation (if we get another election..that is...lol). But niggaz are going to have to put their emotions to the side and start doing what it takes to WIN. Cynique After watching Kamala's kick-ass dynamic concession speech, A "kick-ass dynamic" concession speech? 🤔Hmmm.... Somehow those two concepts don't seem to fit together. It's like a "well typed, proof read, and grammatically correct" suicide note. In other words.....what's the point of it? She lost. You were impressed by her concession speech. I would have been impressed by her actually WINNING.

ProfD The Democratic party played the wrong game and lost Was it that they played the wrong GAME...or were they playing the game with the wrong PLAYER? I only heard a portion of VP Harris' speech but she did seem gracious in conceding defeat Well, I didn't watch that shit. For what? You lost. We don't want to hear concessions and farewells and excuses or telling people to "keep up the struggle" and all that extra shit. Like Sugar told my man at the pool table in Harlem Nights. "You lost.....now go home and brush that toof"....lol. But see....that's the problem right there. Too often Democrats are "gracious" and "comfortable" with being fucking losers and getting screwed over. Republicans aren't. If the roles were reversed, all types of lawsuits would have been filed against the Democrats and conspiracies of voter fraud and voter suppression would have been spread across the internet. That's the difference between the two. Cynique She seemed very comfortable in defeat and confident about the future. And THAT'S the fucking problem right there! Democrats are too often COMFORTABLE losing. Trump and most of the Republicans aren't. They HATE losing and try to avoid it...lol.

Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024 The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that about one-third of Democrats say Biden should drop out of the presidential race after the debate 2 July 2024 Washington, DC, July 2, 2024—Following the first 2024 presidential debate, President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump remain in dead heat for November’s election. In hypothetical matchups with Democratic candidates other than Biden, former first lady Michelle Obama is the only hypothetical candidate to definitively defeat Trump in this poll. Michelle Obama also tops the charts in favorability among registered voters, with Trump and Biden trailing her by more than 10 percentage points each. When asked whether Trump or Biden should drop out of the race following the debate, nearly three in five agree for Biden and just under half say the same about Trump. Detailed Findings 1. After the debate, Trump and Biden remain tied among registered voters for the November presidential election. In other hypothetical Democratic matchups against Trump, only Michelle Obama bests Trump among registered voters. When asked who they would vote for in the November presidential election, 40% of registered voters say Biden and 40% say Trump. This tie between candidates is consistent from late May 2024 when 41% said Biden and 39% said Trump. When asked about hypothetical Democratic candidate matches against Trump, 50% of registered voters say they would vote for Michelle Obama, and just 39% say they would vote for Trump. All other hypothetical Democratic candidates either perform similarly to or worse than Biden against Trump. Vice President Kamala Harris hypothetically wins 42% of registered voters to Trump’s 43%. California Governor Gavin Newsom hypothetically wins 39% of registered voters to Trump’s 42%. All other hypothetical Democratic candidates earn between 34% to 39% of potential votes among registered voters. 2. Most registered voters have unfavorable opinions of Biden or Trump. Again, only Michelle Obama receives majority favorability among registered voters. Other potential candidates, aside from Vice President Kamala Harris, have lower favorability ratings but also lower name recognition. Forty-two percent of registered voters say they have a favorable opinion of Trump, and 38% say the same about Biden. About three in five say they have unfavorable opinions of Trump (56%) or Biden (60%). Comparatively, more registered voters, 55%, say they have a favorable opinion of Michelle Obama. Kamala Harris’ favorability generally falls in line with Trump and Biden, as 40% of registered voters say they have a favorable opinion of her. Other hypothetical Democratic candidates—California Governor Gavin Newsom, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, and Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker—have significantly lower favorability ratings. However, significantly more registered voters say they have not heard of each of these public figures. Only Michelle Obama bests Trump as an alternative to Biden in 2024 | Ipsos I saw other media outlets suggesting that she run earlier this year also Yeah, the Democrats fucked up BIG TIME not going with Michelle. Oh well......

Like old man Junior Sopranos said about little "tough guy" Richie Aprile, when he was trying to decide who should be his successor as head of the Soprano Crime Family. "He couldn't "sell it. He couldn't fuckin' sell it. ....he's not respected." Kamala Harris simply couldn't sell herself or her message to the American people as effectively as Trump. She wasn't RESPECTED as much as he was nor was he admired or even "liked" by as many people. For over a year I've seen TEENAGERS in the mall right out of highschool singing about and praising Trump. He's a household name. His "brand" sells. The message is fucked up, racist, sexist, and backwards as hell....but it's charismatic....like him. There was too much "distance" between her and the people and they couldn't figure her out. This is not the first time. During these last 30 years or so since Clinton, the Republicans have been EXCELLENT communicators when it comes to national elections. They play dirty, deceptive, and use media manipulation and high psychology to trick and entice the populous into supporting them....and it works. Democrats...those who are serious....need to sit down and seriously re-think this "if they go low - we go high" bullshit and think about WINNING.

Troy and ProfD Lol, are yall serious? Do you REALLY believe that Kamala lost because she was a woman? I agree that there is a lot of sexism in this country. No doubt. Including in our community. However THAT'S not the reason that woman lost. *ProfD, you speak of so how much Kamala lost by but didn't HILARY CLINTON who was another WOMAN, lose by a much much slimmer margin back in 2016? So would that suggest that this nation is more "sexist" in 2024 than they were back in 2016? *Also, remember this "sexist" country VOTED for Biden back in 2020 when he had a FEMALE (Harris) running mate over Trump and Pence who were BOTH MALES. *And need I remind you both that the chances of the Democrats winning this election almost SKY ROCKETED when Biden (a man) dropped out and Kamala (a woman) took the reigns as Democrat Nominee. No, sexism wasn't the reason. Like Junior Soprano said about Richie April on the Sopranos when he was trying to decide who he should choose to be his successor as head of the Soprano crime family. "He couldn't sell it. He simply couldn't sell it to them" In other words, she couldn't sell HERSELF or HER MESSAGE to the American people and get it out as effectively as the Trump campaign. She didn't have "it". She didn't have the charisma Trump had. Even many if not most BLACK MEN thought Trump was more effective in reaching them and talking to them than Kamala, even if they didn't vote for him. The Republicans....as they have for the past 30 years PLAY DIRTY and KICK ASS in their communications and outreach...straight up. Ain't had shit to do with people not wanting a female leader. And yes...Troy...Michelle would have swept the damn streets with Trump. Whether you want to believe it or not. Mzuri Hey young lady Long time no posting from you....lol. The forum is already great. You should post more often and make it GREATER Trust me, you and your Conservative views won't be alone. There are a couple other posters who share similar....lol. Cynique And your criticism of this forum is unwarranted Oh, careful now. ....put that rock down, lol. I agree that this forum is really unworthy of any criticism, however remember that YOU TOO walked off and left us a couple times yourself, lol.

Troy but it does not look good for the Dems on any level. If it didn't look good for Democrats three hours ago when you posted this, it looks even WORSE for them now at the time of THIS message. Trump has 266 of the 270 needed to win the Whitehouse. Plus Republicans are poised to take BOTH the Senate and the House! ProfD If there is any consolation for the opposition, POTUS OJ cannot run again for several reasons. One of which COULD be, there will no longer BE anymore elections for him or anybody else to run in. I don't think it's her being a WOMAN that was Kamala's problem. I seriously don't. I think it was 2 major reasons: 1. The Republicans....as has been the case for the past 40 years or so...have simply become better communicators. They were better at convincing more poor and working class people...especially Whites...to support them even if it's against their OWN "best interests". 2. Unlike Obama or Bill Clinton, Kamala wasn't very "inspiring". Especially for Black men. ....who they will TRY to blame for her loss. Watch. I kept saying it and most people who were against Trump agree with me: MICHELLE OBAMA would have really changed the game and would have easily beaten Trump! It wouldn't have been a landslide, but I don't believe it would have been close. Even anti-Trumpers who said they weren't voting at all told me that they would have went out to vote for Michelle! I would have! Naw, it wasn't her being a woman that was the problem....the Republicans just ran a tighter game, plain and simple. Remember, before he dropped out....Biden was getting his ass handed to him by Trump BEFORE Kamala took his place and ended up doing better. Democrats should learn their lesson from this moment. Choose a more charismatic and inspiring candidate and learn to effectively communicate their message and especially energize the AfroAmerican vote for the next Presidential Election. ....IF there's a "next" Presidential Election!

Well....... I've learned that it DOES tend to come off quite easily with hot water and a little soap.....😛

Is it estrogen...or is it that fake ass weed so many of them are smoking that's causing so much emotional instability????

Gotcha

What about YOUR vision while trying to drive with that shit on it?

MAN....these young cats ain't hype to that "slightly interested"...lol. They figure it's all or nothing. I try to tell some of my nephews and cousins that if she shows ANY type of hope or promise....just be patient. If she gave you her phone number.....that's a sign. Keep calling every now a then. If she smiles and carries on a conversation with you....that's a sign. Have another one with her a few days later. Be cool and give it some time! But some of these dudes want to go on a dissing campaign after ANY immediate resistance. Start going online dissing her on her facebook page and shit...lol. As I've gotten older I've learned the value of knowing what WON'T work. Even if I don't always know what DOES work....I often know what WON'T work...lol.

That was actually a pretty sobering yet sound observation about society. I can't say that I agree with ALL of it, but....it puts things in perspective of what type of objections and obstacles you'd have to face, considering such a proposal. You better enjoy that trophy I gave you lady, because you don't get too many from me....lol ProfD 3rd, 4th or 5th class, it's all the same. Already exists. Well, once you're not 1st or even 2nd class, in a such a HUGE multi-racial and multi-ethnic society such as this one...the other classes don't matter. Many Black folks are complicit in spreading it too. Facts. Infact, the Racists have learned that it's even more effective to pay and entice Black people to act out the negative stereotypes than for them to SAY these things about us. It's one thing to TALK negatively about somebody you don't like to try to convince others not to like them. But if you're smart enough to manipulate that person to behave in such a negative way that others won't like them either....without you haven't to say one negative word about them. ....that's high level, right there. Now you come out looking clean and innocent. Former POTUS Orange Julius is a great example of how white supremacists use their pawns. Are you suggesting that he's merely a PAWN of them, instead of one of them himself? Or am I reading it wrong?

ProfD Even if a woman isn't initially interested, there are ways to GET her interested but harassing her isn't one of them. Many of these dudes haven't been taught that. Getting into relationships with women at your job or even in your neighborhood can have it's own issues, but one of the GOOD things about it is....you usually have TIME to win a woman over, lol. The "go slow but drop jewels here and there once very few days" approach has worked WONDERS for me.

ProfD How many times did I have to stress NON-VIOLENT? Or do you not consider slashing a man's tires an act of "violence"??? If not, ask the car ITSELF was it violent....lol. You haven't seen a real non-violent "get back" from a crazy woman until you've walked outside on a cold winter morning to find FROZEN HONEY smeared all over your windshield...lol.