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ProfD Yet, Africans and other Black folks cannot fix their failed and broken countries. I wouldn't say all African nations are failed or broken. Some are doing better than others. Without having been there myself, from what I've read and heard...Nigeria, South Africa, Senegal, and Ghana are doing quite well. One of the biggest problems in Africa and what cause many of those nations to fail is DISUNITY and TRIBAL FIGHTING. Having said that, I have to admit that most of the Africans I've met here in the United States tend to be much more mentally mature than the average AfroAmerican. They tend to have much more discipline, focus, and a better work ethic and family orientation. We can't deny that. There's also African broken families and out of wedlock children and blended families and adopting orphans, nieces and nephews either abandoned by their biological parents and/or they were unable to take care of them. True. But nothing on the level of what you see with both Black AND White people here in the U.S. though. Not among the immigrants atleast. Back on the actual continent, that may be different. It's easy to romanticize or embrace another culture or group in order to escape the negative spin placed on one's own community. While this is true in some instances, I've come to this conclusion based on years of personal observations. Still, AfroAmericans inherently have more flavor than any other group of people on the planet. They copy us. That was the case right up until about the mid-90s. Since then, it appears our cultural flavor has been "tainted" by ratchetness and degeneracy. When you start seeing young men walking around in SKINNY JEANS with the pants pulled down to sag just below the butt hole....it's over.

Chev Would you consider the state of Black America today a "matriarchy" or a "dysfunctional patriarchy"?

ProfD Reading that reminded me of the slave claiming the plantation as our home. But even if we aren't the masters over it, this IS our home. Much like a child living at home, even though he doesn't own or control it. In everything you've written on this particular subject...two words have been on my fingertips....confidence and communication. Facts. AfroAmerican men already know our status and how other groups feel about us. You'd be suprised at how clueless some of these younger dudes are, especially at the depth of how much many of these other groups dislike and disrespect AfroAmericans. Many of them have no idea until we bring it to their attention and THEN they start observing it for themselves. Only an open mouth gets fed. Communicate POWERFUL That's a "word" for this Sunday...lol

Come on man, you KNOW Tipsy is going to eventually respond back with a close up picture of himself or some drag queen...lol. Talking about.... "...and uhh what percentage of Black or Native ancestry would you say THIS person has in them? By the way, check you private message....I have something SPECIAL to tell you!" Come on bro, you get to know people after a while....lol.

On top of that......... Africans tend to mature faster and earlier than White men OR Black American men based on my observations.

I'm old enough to remember that before "lil man" it was "young blood". I was Divinely Favored enough to grow up with a good Father in the home, however sometimes we'd go over our aunt's house to stay for a night or two and I'd ROUTINELY see certain dudes drop by for the weekend and didn't understand at the time what was going on. Me and my brother would sometimes mess up and call my aunt's boyfriends by different names thinking they were the same dude we saw there last month...LMBAO. You'd be downstairs playing with your cousin and some nigga in a robe and gold chain around his neck would come downstairs to the kitchen and walk past you grinning talking about "what's up young blood....how ya been!" Man....the shit you remember growing up, lol.

As I said in another thread, you're never too young or too old to think correctly...lol. However your WISDOM and MATURITY often kick in at different times. I think that most would agree that females tend to reach MENTAL adulthood quicker than males for the most part. However I would say that males tend to become MORE mature mentally than females when that maturity is finally reached. In other words.... Just like a cat will grow from a kitten until a full grown adult in about 2 or 3 years; much quicker than a human. But although it takes a human to physically grow to adulthood about 20 years or so...they will become much larger than a cat when they finally DO reach adulthood. Having said that..... I do have to admit that based on my observations, White dudes seem to mature mentally faster than AfroAmerican men for whatever reason. YOu find so many White dudes who are 20 and 22 already married, settled down in jobs (good or bad), and ready to try to start a family and invest in a 401K plan. Meanwhile bruh-man is still laying around in his mama's basement arguing with her over bills and hanging out at clubs smoking weed and getting into fist fights at 35. Perhaps it's cultural. The older generation of Black men DID seem to mature much faster.

Chev Oh wow! I never heard of that. I've heard that it stemmed from Africa. Yes, TODAY it's commonly practiced in NorthEast Africa in places like Eritrea, Somalia, and Sudan and to a lesser extent through out Arabia however it started with the ARABS who INVADED those lands. It's the same idea with CASTRATION and the making of EUNUCHS. Remember Phil and the Eunuch story in the Bible. Why were there so many Eunuchs in the land in those days? Where did Eunuchs and the act of castrating men come from? When these Caucasians (Arabs, Persians, Jews, etc...) went into Black lands to invade them, they had to maintain sexual control over both the men and the women so that the Black population they were dominating didn't get out of hand. When they'd enslave the Black boys they'd make them Eunuchs so that they could keep them around without worrying about them screwing their women or spreading their seed. They "circumcised" the Black girls cutting off their clitoris' so that they could have sex with them without the women enjoying it. Eventually these things....like the religions they brought...became a part of the "cultures" of those regions. But, it does seem to make sense that racism is the root of male dominance as you put it in terms of Patriatism and Chauvinism, etc. They are tied together. Just like here in the United States during Slavery where White men preached how the races shouldn't mix and would lynch Black men for being intimate with White women BUT routinely raped and had sex with Black women themselves. It had nothing to do with "purity" or "religion" but was about maintaining control over the races you subjugated. This is one of the reasons I'm so sensitive about this "stay away from the Black guys" narrative being pushed so much. If they'd stay away for Black men AND Black women...no problem. But I know they'll tell women to stay away from Black men WHILE AT THE SAME TIME they're staying up all night chasing after and trying to screw Black women!!! It's not about keeping the races separate. It's about keeping that Black penis away. ProfD Proactive. Go-getter. Six figure income. Homeowner. Respected by peers. OK, thank you. Well, if that's the case MOST WHITE MEN don't fit that description..lol. While it's realistic, I don't think that's a very likely/probable goal for most men to reach anyway. Correct. The average Black man doesn't fit the description. But, average women should be dealing with the average men. There's no shortage of either. Agreed. There's no shortage, but the willingness to engage in sexual activity is the issue. Many "average" women are holding out sexually because they were taught to wait on Mr.Right or Mr.Well-built to come along and "save" her...lol. The problem is too many Black men are working for white men instead of themselves. FACTS However to make it clear. I don't believe most men of ANY race were made to be business owners. When I say Black men should work for themselves, I mean that MOST Black men should be working in the businesses of other qualified Black men or Black women. I don't see why Black men should be entitled to accessing women of different races or nationalities. I'll give you 2 simple reasons and a question: 1. Because we're all human and made to have sex with eachother 2. Because they're THERE. If we all lived in separate countries or territories, the argument may be a little different. But "thanks" to White folks bringing nearly ever race and nationality on this planet here to America...we're here together now. Wouldn't it be kind of akward for dozens of different races and nationalities of women and men to work and go to school around eachother but NOT expect to have any sort of intimacy with eachother? Question: If we ask why should Black men have access, then why should White men also? That's like asking why should Black men have access to being billionaires or owning land. Women are humans obviously, but they are also CAPITAL and of VALUE. The more you have and can attract...the more value and and worth you have and the higher your status. Black folks are always the employees. That's why they call athletes $40 million dollar slaves. You have a point but.... As President Obama would say: "Don't make perfect the enemy of the good" If you're GOING to be a slave any way, it's better to be a $40 million one than to be a broke ass one..lol It just looks and smells different especially as we get older. Not sure about the sistaz YOU'VE dealt with but the smell hasn't changed as they aged...lol. The only "look" that has changed with some of them was just more grey hairs down there...LOL. I know you're not suggesting we press other cultures to give us access to their snatch boxes I was waiting on your to ask me for what I consider to be the SOLUTIONS to this problem. First of all, there is no need to use any kind of force and I wouldn't advocate for that anyway. I personally wouldn't enjoy the company of a woman if she was FORCED to be with me. All we have to do is use DENIAL. I think if we as Black men got on code and built up our economics and own communities and gate-kept them while MAKING IT CLEAR that any non-FBA women who entered into OUR communities or sought our protection or benefits would have to entertain the idea of being sexually intimate with us...things would change in one generation. I say we pretty much pull out of this society as much as possible and focus on building US and OUR weight. In other words..... Today Black men are in school, at work, in the government....pretty much doing everything White and Latino men are doing but not getting as much respect for it. But if we were to pull out our talents from the mainstream and focus more on building OUR businesses and OUR housing so that when immigrants come to the United States and they see what WE have going on, they will want to live around and work for US because WE will have the advantage. Naturally...and I've seen and experienced this more times than I've counted...when most women want and need things from you most of them DON'T HESITATE to offer you their attention, smiles, and even sometimes their bodies to get them. If Black men are the ones with the jobs, money, and housing to offer....these same women who swore up and down they wouldn't have anything to do with Black American man will change their tune almost OVER NIGHT. My word is bond on that one.

Troy Maaaaan YOU KNOW Tipsy Turvy! I can't believe you even bothered to ENTERTAIN this question.....lol.🤣

When I was much younger, I heard many older Black men say that most Black men don't really mature mentally until they're around 40 or older. I didn't understand this at first, but the older I get and consider not just my own experiences but my observation of other's experiences....the more true I believe this is.

Kenneth Maybe there's no real consensus or even a concern among large numbers of Black voters especially men about race specific policies. How many brothers care about stalled police reform and voting rights legislation in Congress. Are they willing to fight for it ? Did they do anything to press Congress or President Biden or Kamala Harris on such issues ? I bet they didn't. Didn't we just have a series of riots back a few years ago over police brutality? I'm not sure how much clearer Black youth could have made their concerns known if threatening to burn down half of the cities in the U.S. didn't do the job...lol. I think Black Americans and especially Black men have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that we'd like politicians to do something about police misconduct and brutality as well as criminal justice reform in general. We've also made it clear we need more good paying jobs with benefits. Perhaps a good question would be how much MEDIA TIME is being given to us and our concerns and how much is the mainstream media actually legitimizing them? When it comes to LGBTQIA and White women's issues, the mainstream media focuses on them like a laser beam with commercials, townhall specials, billboards, etc... You can't open up a magazine or look at a billboard without seeing some naked White woman with some "message" tattooed on her ass or across her belly making her concerns crystal clear. There is no mistaking or misunderstandings about her concerns. They don't do that with Black men and our issues. Not to that level anyway. When was the last time you saw a billboard with a picture of a naked Black man on it and a pair of handcuffs dangling off his dick talking about we need to "arrest police brutality and put an end to it now" ??? Moreover how many disinterested brothers really are aware of what Biden has done to benefit us through Student Loan Forgiveness or parts of the Inflation Reduction Act. The former gives us badly needed debt relief while the latter creates thousands of new skilled jobs. Has ANY of these loans actually been forgiven yet? I haven't followed it much but from what I've heard and read he kept trying to push the Act but it kept being tabled or put on hold by the Republicans in Congress (the usual excuse) so it hasn't been Enacted yet. It's easy to get mad and complain or simply drop out. But too many of us don't want to do the hard work thinking, speaking up, and advocating even when there are setbacks. Often the benefits aren't always immediate. Facts. Can't argue with you there. I believe our bruthaz need more support and motivation and this is something we should NOT expect from White people who have a vested interest is keeping us politically INactive. We need this support and motivation from other AfroAmericans politicians who are already in positions of power to do so. But what's worse is the contempt for and opposition to Black women for doing what we men often refuse to do. Kamala Harris might lose this election in part because alot of us brothers will stay home. I actually wanted Michelle Obama...a TRUE Black woman....to run for President. I guess the support wasn't strong enough. What TANGIBLE benefits has Kamala promised Black men specifically that would motivate them to run out and vote for her over Trump? Troy I’m not sure this is true. Most kids have a man in the house, he just may not be the biological father Ahhh, here we go again...lol. Just like the Gangsta Rap encouraging violence debacle; do you need "case studies" and "links" to verify this statement before accepting it? There's a difference between an actual FATHER in the house vs some dude or DIFFERENT DUDES dropping by the house every now and then playing football with you or bar-b-quing on the weekends he comes by to bang the mother. These "men in the house" you speak of that you'd like to compare to a father figure: 1. Are they there in the house virtually every day since the child's birth until they go off to college? 2. Are they at Parent-Teacher conferences with the mother? 3. Are they paying or helping to pay the bills of the home? 4. Are they fixing whatever needs to be fixed around the home or calling up and paying someone who can do it? These are things an actual FATHER does (or should do). It may be a stretch for me to say this but, I don't think MOST (meaning 51% or more) Black American men currently in the United States can say they grew up around men who did that.

Good. Lol...I designed my post to give that impression. I too imagined him saying it after a caller or Mr.Bobby asked him about the matter. A lot of it was ad lib (except for the truck load part), but I styled it in a way that I thought he'd say it himself...lol.

ProfD Well I'm glad to see that you agree with my PERSPECTIVE on the matter, lol. As I mentioned in the other thread, good luck changing the narrative if that is a goal/objective Actually, although the problem is global...that's not my focus. My position is that the United States should be the country where that type of racism and sexual limitation should be put behind when other groups come here. If you want to feel that way in your home country, fine. That's your nation and your culture and you should have a right to it. I wouldn't want people coming to African nations FORCING the women to have sex with other races and religions of men; although they're pretty much doing it anyway. But in my mind, America should be DIFFERENT. We shouldn't allow open racism and discrimination like that...especially from immigrants who come in here seeking a better way of life. 20 or 30 years ago I kinda noticed a little of this but I wouldn't have talked about it so openly like I'm doing now out of "shame". Most men don't like admitting what they consider their "short comings". But as I've gotten older and more mature and wiser, I realize that many problems can and will be solved when you openly ACKNOWLEDGE that this is a problem and let others know that this is indeed a problem for you even if it's not for them. Like I said, I've been noticing this issue since I was a teenager. As I've mentioned before, wasn't the most attractive dude growing up (although women who've known me for a while say that I look much better now than I did when I was younger because my age has "matured" me...lol), but I've always had a good mouth piece...lol. If I wasn't popular with the Sistaz or even some White girls...you KNOW these Asian and Latina girls weren't on me like that! However, for whatever reason some years ago when I was in my 20's I mustered up the boldness to actually approach a dark skinned Indian woman (Dravidian) I saw on the Greyhound bus and we actually got into a good conversation and kicked it together until she had to transfer to another bus. I got her number but I didn't call her for some reason that I don't remember. But after my introducing myself to her, I basically tore right into the RACIAL issue and why Indian women avoided Black men and things of that nature and she was bold about her responses, which I didn't respect. Even told me they heard about how Black men had big penises over in India! But actually the sexual issues were only a FRACTION of what we talked about. She moved all of her luggage and items from where she was sitting just to sit next to me and we were in the zone for a good 10 hours until she transferred. Now, why do I tell this story? It's an example of how problems are solved. Although me and that Indian woman didn't actually solve the problem that night on the bus, we were ON THE ROAD (literally...lol) towards it by actually talking and interacting with eachother HONESTLY. Something you don't see much in real life now a days. But if we don't acknowledge it or pretend it doesn't exist or look at the problem and...out of pride or fear that our egos may be hurt...claim it AIN'T a problem...like so many Black men do....it's not going to get solved anytime soon. Like the good Professor said, our status must be improved...but we first need to know where we stand in the world today and how other groups REALLY feel about us.

If ALL you want is an apology, like Neely Fuller Jr. says...White racists have a TRUCK LOAD of apologies...lol. Oh you want an apology? Is THAT all you want from me??? Hold on, let me go in the back room and see how many apologies we have left in stock! Well hell, how do you want it served? Hot or cold? Do you want some FRIES to go with that apology? (You're better off taking the fries and leaving the apology with him for what it's worth...lol) Here nigger...sign this... Congratulations! Now you have a MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION to the latest "apologies" that we're giving out, and your membership is absolutely free! Not only will you get apologies for what we did to you and your Ancestors but you'll get apologies for the shit we PLAN to do to you in the future! Neely Fuller said there are 3 things you don't ask for: 1. An apology 2. Somebody's love 3. Respect Like the professor said, we want TANGIBLES....muthafuck an "apology".

I hear what the good Proffesor is saying. It's not so much about encouraging Black men to vote that's the issue; it's not OFFERING us anything for our vote that's the issue. Whether it's: -Promising Jews more support for Israel and more money for Holocaust museums around the nation. -Promising Latinos more support for immigrants and letting more of them across the border -Giving the LGBTQIA+ community more rights and legal privileges and protections All of these various groups are actually promised and GIVEN things in exchange for their support. Black men are told to vote but are not only NOT given anything in exchange for our vote but not even PROMISED anything now a days. The only thing they want to give Black men is a good "talking to" and trying to SHAME bruthaz into voting. How is Obama going to stand up there and suggest that Black men aren't voting for Kamala because they're sexist and don't want to see a Black woman in charge when MOST Black men today were raised by single mothers? They GREW UP seeing Black women taking care of business and running the show. Said in that 90's Urban dialect: 'srong wit 'em, son?

This is along the same vein of my previous thread about whether or not White men are gaining traction with our sistaz. But it's a much broader scope. Since being a teenager growing up in a Black city and then traveling the nation from coast to coast I've seen a lot of things and I've closely observered human interaction. Especially as a younger man when it came to how males and females interacted. I noticed that while most races and ethnic groups tended to marry, date, and/or had sex predominately within their group...a certain percentage would stray away and enter relationships with other groups. What I found interesting was that when it comes to people of color....Black, Brown, Yellow -as well as the various tribes and nationalities among us...we usually did two things: We'd either enter sexual relationships with eachother OR with White people. However I didn't see a lot of inter-racial or inter-cultural or inter-ethnic relationships between DIFFERENT people of color. In other words I'd see an Indian woman with an Indian man OR a White man; but not with a Chinese man. I'd see a Nigerian woman with a Nigerian man OR a White man, but not with a Mexican man. Interesting..... So it seems that White men had a nice little sweet spot where they were the center of attention or the "go to" alternative for women of all races and ethnic groups who wanted to "stray away" and try something different. Guess who wasn't....lol. Another thing I noticed was that MOST of these groups showed through their behavior that they were NOT interested in sexual relationships with Black men, and many of them actually SAID OPENLY to me and other Black men that they "weren't into Black guys". Hmmm.... I've heard it in real life and I've really heard this around the internet. It was almost always women of COLOR who said this, not White women. Even if a White woman wasn't into Black men...she wouldn't dare say it. But many of these other women of color felt totally fine openly declaring that they weren't into Black men or in the case of many African and Caribbean Black women...Black American men. I didn't pay it much attention at first. First I would hear Asian women say it, then East Indian women say it....hmmmm. Then Arab women say it, then Latina women say it.....woww. But when I started hearing other African women say it about Black American men...that's when I REALLY had to take a step back and think about this. Think about this CAREFULLY bruthaz...... You're living in a society where, it doesn't matter how good you look, what kind of car you drive, how much money you make...because you are a BLACK AMERICAN MAN...the MAJORITY of women in certain groups have written you off and don't even think about having sexual relations with you. Not happening no matter what you do. Think about this and what it means. We didn't have this issue in the 70s and early 80s when it was primarily Black American and White women. You COULD get both to a certain extent if you had "this" or were good at "that". Now you got ENTIRE GROUPS of women who are totally out of reach for you no matter what you do, because of your race/ethnicity? That's a problem, if you ask me. Now to the sistaz (AfroAmerican women) reading this...... This commentary isn't some "divestment" or "passport bro" commentary to try to get Black men to LEAVE Black women or go around fucking White and "exotic" women. No. It's not about hating on the sistaz and I'm not blaming Black women in any way shape or form for this. Nor is it about the actual act of sex itself! No. It's about our ABILITY to have sex with these women if we so chose to do so. And it's really about RESPECT and SOCIAL CAPITAL. If Black American men aren't getting respect in society from the men OR the women...that's an issue that must be addressed. When the MAJORITY of women in a society just write you off because of your race and/or ethnicity...that's a problem. If OTHER PEOPLE SEE YOU not being respected or wanted, it leads to more disrespect. You may say, "Well why you worried about it...ain't you satisfied with YOUR women???" Why you looking at somebody else's women???" First of all NO woman belongs to another man or group, in America. We're all supposed to be "free", right? So what's with this "our women" and "their women" shit? Second, the same question can be asked of WHITE MEN or LATINO MEN! Why aren't people asking THEM when they're running around trying to slide their dicks into women of different races and winking at them in the grocery stores (especially Latino men), why aren't THEY satisfied with THEIR women??? They don't, because most people figure White men DESERVE to be able to screw any women they want because of their status. They don't think Black men do...so they get jealous and angry at the thought of it. That's the real "problem" with interracial marriage. As long as White men are able to marry and screw Black women...there wasn't a problem. It only became a "problem" when we were allowed to do the same. ....but that's a different subject for a different conversation, lol. Third, damn right! A man SHOULD be concerned if most women don't find him attractive or have written him off....for WHATEVER reason. I don't give a damn WHAT excuse is being used to dismiss or avoid or demonize AfroAmerican men, if it's being done...it's a PROBLEM. Fix the problem. Because if this gets out of hand...... Now for the past 40 years or so (because these different ethnic groups wouldn't have DARE said that back in the 60s and 70s) they have felt comfortable openly declaring that they don't allow their women to sleep with Black men and many of the women feel comfortable openly saying that they aren't into Black men. Say it on the internet, say it in real life. Ok, what if it doesn't stop there? What if in the next 20 years they start saying they won't HIRE Black men or let Black men move into their neighborhoods? Talking about it's a "personal choice". If we ALLOW this to take place and laugh it off, then who's to say it won't go from them SAYING that they won't sleep with Black men to saying that they CAN'T sleep with Black men and LYNCHING is brought back? Racism is racism and shouldn't be tolerated PERIOD. The fact that we as AfroAmerican men have allowed this shit to take place and get so far out of hand is straight up negligence on our part. And again, it's not about us going around screwing women of all colors and races. It's about our ABILITY to do it if we want. If White men can do it and they're letting White men do it, why are we being discriminated against. I know that for some of you reading this, it won't matter. But for the WISE Black men who are....you know why it does. Attracting women is like attracting money. It's a testimony to how much of a "man" you are and your social status.

ProfD I still don't believe Gangsta Rap music encourages violence any more or less than movies. Lol...you might be moving the goal posts just a little. You went from Gangsta Rap NOT encouraging or being responsible for any violence in the hood, to focusing on how it compares with movies in terms of encouraging violence. In fact, crap, er, Trap music is more popular than Gangsta Rap. I personally consider Trap and Drill music part of the Gangsta Rap genre. It comes from a different generation than the original West Coast Gangsta Rap of NWA or Too Short that many people grew up with, but it's still Rapping about violence and criminal behavior . "Gangsta Shit".

ProfD Gotcha. I crossed the wires. No problema carnal....lol. I believe you already know the qualities that make a man well buit. If not, it's best to ask women. Hopefully one of our sistas will chime in on this thread. Right now, it's just 2 dudes yapping. It's a free forum in a "free" society...lol..nobody is stopping any registered sista from dropping her 2 cents on this topic if she likes. It's welcomed, as far as I'm concerned. But in the MEAN time and in BETWEEN time....I'd still appreciate if you'd give me a quick lay out of what you mean by a "well built" man. The small percentage of them are scattered everywhere. Ok, but the point is...they are not the majority. Would you say that the AVERAGE AfroAmerican man doesn't currently fit this description? We're not talking about his "potential", but as it stands right now on a Friday in the year 2024...do MOST or does the AVERAGE Black man fit the description of "well built" AND/OR having so much game that he has to fight the ladies off of him? We'll have to let the women answer that question. Come on bro, both of us have been around the block MORE than a few times. I don't think it takes a woman to answer THAT question...lol. You KNOW a straight up freak ain't asking for much besides physical performance. Infact, in many cases SHE'LL pay HIM if he's laying it down right. Right. They have to accept the reality that comes with it. What I mean is that for the most part they PHYSICALLY can't do it. One of the reasons Black men aren't as successful as White men in this society is because they literally CAN'T work 5 times as hard and overcome 5 times the obstacles that White men have to overcome....and they know it. Maybe twice as hard and twice the obstacles; but when you put anybody under TOO much pressure...they break. Black men are human beings and are limited in their abilities. It's not a matter of just "over coming" certain things when you're being directly targeted for mistreatment. It isn't really necessary to create a system that makes it easier for the average Black men to have access to more women. I don't believe that it's just "access" to women that's the issue with Black men in the United States. Wherever we go, whether it's at school or at the job or just going to the mall...there are all kinds of women out there we have "access" to. But most of them being OPEN for marriage, dating, and sex with us is the issue. That window of opportunity...currently...is very narrow for most Black American men and really most Black men in general. Even when it comes to NON-FBA Black men...they pretty much can only date and screw women in their own ethnic group or willing White women and sometimes....sometimes...Black American women. Actually, the white man still pays them.. True, however they are STILL successful doing what they like and having more control and power over their creativity and performance. Imagine the music industry BEFORE Motown where Black artists were pretty much encouraged to dance and sing like White men. Oh yeah, we were good. Still better than most White performers. But our GREATNESS at music wasn't seen until Berry Gordy and 'em decided to promote Black men and women getting down the way they WANTED to get down in the studio...and that's when we took music to a whole new level that the world hadn't heard before and we've been leading the way in the entertainment industry since. This is the case in EVERY field we enter. Golf Tennis You name it..... Finding a good woman or wife is different from having easy access to s8x with a buffet of women. True. But we need BOTH options. Just like I said in the other thread that not everyone was meant to be with somebody, some people SHOULD be alone. Not everybody is meant to "settle down" with one good wife, some will be players for life. Your argument seems to be conflating good women to settle down with and women for s8x. No. Both are necessary for a well balanced society. Culture has a lot to do with Black men not having easy access to women of other races and nationalities. Yes. And RACISM is part of most of their cultures. This is one of my main points. Sexual racism is STILL racism. But it's tolerated because people don't want to talk about it. Good luck finding an alternative to helping the brothas get there. I'm sure I'm not the only one on this journey...lol. Chev And I think that this is a conditioning that goes way back in time. And, it's been my experience though, that there are many Black men that think this way, but not all. There are some Black men that like White women but don't base it on hate. They don't hate black women and decide to go after White women for this reason. But the ones that do this on the basis of hate, many of them have Black mothers!!! So therefore, I think this kind of hate is a serious conundrum. It goes both ways imo. It's 50-50. Some Black women hate Black men too and date out of the 'race' based on this kind of hatred, however, I think this kind of Black Hatred goes really deep. It has deep roots. I....I made a pretty big comment on this issue addressing Harry's post...then I deleted it because I didn't want to open up a bag of worms. The fact that you said it went both ways made me realize that I should have left it up there. Why? I took it down because I didn't want it to look like I was trying to "justify the disrespect" so many Black men exhibit in our music and in the urban culture. But your post reminded me of how even minded and logical so many of our sistaz are and gave me comfort that my comments wouldn't be misconstrued. I basically said that......... During the 60s and 70s during the so-called "Sexual Revolution" in the United States that also affected the Black community, as we were coming into our own and Black men started promoting the images of the Black women's bodies more in movies, magazines, etc.. You saw way more naked Black women in the movies back in the 70s than you do today, and her body was glorified and honored. Intially, the desire for sex with our sistaz and the glorification of the Black woman's body wasn't seen as disrespectful but actually flattering, especially in a society that historically would call Black women unattractive and asexual. It wasn't until the 80s, especially when certain rap music came along calling women bitches and hoes...that a lot of people started calling out the disrespect of our sistaz and including the sexual talk and glorification of her body in this. Instead of it being considered flattering and flirtatious, it became disrespectful to talk about how nice a Black woman's butt is and talk about your desire to have sex with her. Men chase after women by nature and they want sex and especially Black men love the curves of a woman and that big butt...lol. AfroAmerican men als tend to be bold about expressing our attraction and desire for sex. This too is labeled as "disrespectful" by many. So after generation or two of what we saw as natural being termed as "disrespectful" and demonized...it stared a backlash among a lot of younger Black men who actually DID start being disrespectful and angry and vindictive towards women as a form of "pay back" for how they were made to feel or for how they were demonized for their natural feelings and desires. So what you have now is a big ass ball of confusion. Men who want sex and love the body of women- And women who have been taught that men who want this are wrong and should be condemned and even arrested and jailed for that type of thinking- And now to top it off you have men who straight up HATE women for feeling that way about them. Confusion. I think it could be based on racist reasons, but perhaps it's also connected to male dominance due to certain males wanted to have their offspring be born like them, their racial identity, and they don't want their women giving birth to children that have 'black blood' or other kinds of genetics of people they hate. So in terms of racist reason, yes,, absolutely it is based on that, but mainly it is about identity. So some men dominate their women for this kind of issue, even though, yes, it is wrong to do in how they resort to violence and stripping their women from human rights. If you study it closely..... Most forms of Patriarchy, Chauvinism, and Sexism are ROOTED in racism. In the Middle East, do you know where so-called "honor killing" comes from? It originally came from the "dishonor" of a Caucasian woman having sexual relations with a Black man. Do you know where the female genital circumcision/mutilation that's practices through out the Middle East comes from? It originally came from Caucasians who were so afraid that their girls would grow up to enjoy sex with Black men that they actually cut their clitoris' out to deprive them of feeling the joy of sex. Troy I don't know nothin' 'bout being gay, but I don't think it works this way. Don;t you think Brothers would buy some pus*y before taking it up the butt or blowing some other dude? Come on Troy, a well educated brutha like yourself knows that TWO NEGATIVES will equal a POSITIVE...lol. If you "don't" know "nothing" about it then that means you know SOMETHING about it...lol I'm not talking about homosexuality per se but the ultra-feminine behavior you see being exhibited by some young bruthaz today. I'm talking about FLAMBOYANCY. If look at how so many bruthaz aren't just gay but FLAMBOYANT with it, they do it in a way that you simple don't see among White men. They are ridiculous with it....like Sha nae nae from Martin. When you see a big 300 pound brutha wiggling down the street with a blonde wig on and a blouse tied up at the bottom with his big belly out and some booty shorts on....come on man. Not only is he making a fool of himself he's sending a message to society that he's GIVEN UP on even trying to be a man and has decided to be a woman. He's asking that society please treat him accordingly. In other words...be easy on him and don't expect him to put up a fight or hassle. That's why those dudes dress and act that way. It has nothing to do with being gay or what you're doing in the bedroom, this is a PUBLIC display of a foreiture of masculinity. In other words....."buck broken". Indeed, it is much harder -- especially if you've spent your prime adult years working on developing your ability to accessing a buffet of women for sex. Which is why some men OR women AREN'T meant to settle down and shouldn't even try to. This is a non-religious society. Why people insist and try their hardest to settle down when they KNOW they can't and don't even like it.....who knows??? Look....... Some people are made for monogamy, some people were not. Infact, some people were meant to be ALONE and not have ANY partner. It is what it is.

ProfD It doesn't negate the fact that n8gglets were doing the same dysfunctional sh8t before the music became trashy Correct, but that isn't the point of disagreement. The initial disagreement was over my assertion that Gangsta Rap ENCOURAGED....not initiated...violence. You and Troy came out of the wood work to disagree with me on this. We all know the not just niggaz but HUMANS IN GENERAL have been killing since recorded history. Didn't the Bible say Cain SLEW Abel? NWA doesn't go back that far....lol. My argument isn't that Gangsta Rap or any other music STARTED the foolishness, but that it (along with other factors like weapons, drugs, substances, mental health problems, etc....) helps to MAINTAIN and ENCOURAGE it by making it look cool and glamorous and associating it with young Black culture. Troy Clearly, it reinforces the all the negative stereotypes of Black people. Which is why it's so popular among young White men who consistently over the past 30 years or so have been Gangsta Rap's biggest consumer demographic. White men tend to encourage things that promote negative stereotypes about Black men. They love things that make THEM feel superior and tend to hate things that make them feel inferior. I've noticed since a teenager that White men at work LOVE the Black thug or fool who is always coming in late and fucking up on the job. They'll loan him money, smoke weed with him, and keep giving him chance after chance. But that intelligent and good looking Black man who does his job better than THEY do and has all of the ladies giggling when he comes in the room...they don't like him and figure out ways so that he doesn't last on that job very long. You come in one day and hear how brutha man was terminated for mopping the floor with too much soap in the bucket, or that he took a bottle of water unauthorized, or any menial reason to raise him up out of there so that he doesn't show White men up and make them look inferior to Black men.

ProfD Slow down homie...I thought you asked about my reality/perspective. I don't recall asking you about YOUR Reality and how easy it was to pull women in it. I maintained that for the purposes of this discussion, we as Black men in the U.S. today may have different perspectives based on our different situations, but we are in the SAME Reality. And IN this same Reality, while some Black men may EASILY attract women....others are finding it increasingly difficult. I actually believe this is ONE of the main reasons for the growing LGBTQIA+ phenomena in our community today. So many bruthaz are having such a hard time trying to attract women and get sex that many of them have essentially GIVEN UP on trying to do so or even be a MAN at this point. I'm keenly aware of the plight of our brothas. I know what it takes to overcome it too. Well, you know what it takes for YOU to overcome some of YOUR problems, but not necessarily the problems of most of our other brothers. I'm not saying that to be argumentative; but simply reminding you of how complex the situation is and how we shouldn't be so dismissive of their issues as if they can just pull up their pants and solve them overnight. I've repeatedly said in this thread that the enemy is using SUBLIMINAL messaging in the media to try to condition the thinking of people, especially women of all backgrounds into finding THEM attractive and finding AfroAmerican men UNattractive. This is very deep and it affects how we get along with eachother in order to establish much of our success. Being dark-skinned was never a liability for me. Keep in mind that I was born and raised in a chocolate city. That should have made it worse...lol. Like I said, I'm what some would call light skinned so I didn't experience too much color discrimination from my own. ....and I'm not THAT light. So I didn't get the "yella boy" insults either, that some very light skinned dudes got...lol. But what I did notice was that as a kid, often times a very dark skinned person would have a harder time around other AfroAmerican kids than around White kids who tended to see ALL Black kids as the same...lol. I went to a White school in the suburbs for 2 years and noticed that the dark skinned AfroAmerican and African students didn't get picked on because of their actual skin tone like they did when they were in the Black schools. They had their issues...but THAT didn't seem to be one of them. In the Black schools...dark skinned kids were often clowned on. Especially if they had other African features like thick lips or wide nose or very kinky hair to go along with them. A well-built Black man can take care of himself, loved ones and whoever else he so chooses. Uhh.... Ok, I read what you're saying and like Neely Fuller Jr. would say, maybe I'm not asking the question correctly. I'm asking you to define what a "well built" Black man is and you keep telling me about his abilities. Those abilities are very vague. I was asking for a more descriptive definition of what makes the man himself "well built"....not what his being one allows him to do. But if that's all there is too it, then.....ok. According to the late Kevin Samuels, only a very small percentage of brothas qualify Ok.. Now we're getting somewhere! So only SMALL PERCENTAGE of bruthaz qualify for what you're describing as a well built brutha who is attractive enough to pull and maintain these women. So this helps PROVE MY POINT that AfroAmerican men in general aren't being considered very attractive in this society. So where are all of these Black men that you speak of who have so much "game" that they have to fight the ladies off of them???? If MOST Black men aren't attracting women like that, isn't this a problem???? And on top of that, should that even matter to women who ONLY want a big dick or a good lay-down in the bedroom??? Yet many of THESE women aren't choosing on Black American men anymore. Right. Black men have to work 10 times harder in order to be successful. It's not impossible. No it's not impossible. However if Black men have to work 10 times harder to be successful....then MOST will not do it. If what you say is true, then the ability to do that work takes TIME and ENERGY. Theoretically a Black man would need 10 times the amount of time and energy that a White man has to reach the same goals. This is totally unfair and will not do. This is why we need to change/dismantle the system OR develop our own system so that WE can be just as and MORE Successful than White men. We've seen this in sports, music, and other forms of entertainment. In the White man's world...when we go "off script" and do our own thing...that when we as Black men usually find Success. A Black man who is attractive, intelligent, has money and physical endowment has even more fun with all types of women. He has to get rid of them. True! But again, how many Black men fits this description? If only a fraction of bruthas fit that description, and THAT'S the only way he can get women....then that's a problem. Like I said before, 30 years ago and prior Black men didn't need ALL of that just to get a good woman or wife. He just needed to be physically and mentally NORMAL and have a job...and he was set. He had plenty of women to choose from. Not that he could get EVERY woman he wanted, but he had plenty to choose FROM. That's not the case now. Simply being of sound body and mind with a job, home, and vehicle doesn't seem to be enough for most Black men to attract multiple women like they used to. This is a MAJOR problem. As far as the sex goes..... As much as we talk about the financial part and how being financially stable attracts most women....this is true. However at the end of the day, there's always a PERCENTAGE of women in all racial and ethnic groups who don't care about a man's finances as long as he has...excuse my language...some GOOD DICK. These are facts. He can be broke as hell, but as long as he can lay that pipe good in bed...he's good. If a man is good in bed, he should be able to find women in ANY race willing to give him a chance because there's nympho-maniacs in every race. Now why do I bring this up? Because AfroAmerican men are WELL KNOWN for being well endowed and good in bed and yet this STILL prevents women of other races and nationalities from f'ing with them. Why? Not being "well built" or a good father or having a criminal record and these other excuses so many other races and nationalities come up with for not loving Black American men DOES NOT MATTER when it comes to having a big dick and being able to give a woman multiple orgasm. For women who are ONLY looking for this...they know who can do it for them. Yet they STILL aren't choosing on Black men for the most part. Do you understand what I'm saying? So that means SOMETHING ELSE is going on that's more nefarious because it's interfering with human nature. If even NYMPO's of other racial groups and even many Black women from Africa and the Caribbean are too and even many BLACK AMERICAN women who are nympho's are starting to avoid Black American men in favor of White dudes....something serious is going on here. Instead of laying back on the couch claiming that everything is alright and bragging about how much game SOME small percentage of bruthaz got... We need to get to the bottom of this before it get out of hand. I want to see MOST of my bruthaz Successful. Not just financially but politically, socially, and sexually.

ProfD When it comes to women, my reality is different. No problems whatsoever. Oh, so since YOU don't have problems with women....I guess everything is alright then, lol. End of discussion. Unfortunately, what YOU may consider YOUR "reality" isn't necessarily the same "reality" for many of our other brothers. There are over 20 million Black men in this nation. Most of them have problems that they need to deal with and solved. Some are women problems, others health problems, others legal problems, and others a combination of all 3. Just because YOU aren't having problems with women, doesn't mean none of the other 20+ million bruthaz aren't. Just because YOU may live in a nice house, doesn't mean the other 20+ million bruthaz are. Just because YOU may drive a nice vehicle, doesn't mean the other 20+ million bruthaz are rolling around in one too. It's good to hear it when a Black man is doing well. However some of us have to look out for and speak up for the bruthaz who ARE having problems and help them SOLVE those problems. BTW.... I remember you saying something about you being dark skinned or very dark. As a kid growing up and even today to a certain extent, a lot of dark skinned Black men face discrimination when it comes to dating and sex not only from other non-Black women but from even Black and AfroAmerican women. Are you saying YOU never experienced that? A well built man doesn't have the problems outlined when it comes to pulling any type of woman. I asked you to please define "well built". And I'll also ask, how many Black American men fit that description? Or rather, of ALL of the Black men that you know...how many or what percentage would you say fits the description? Surely. A man's ability to take care of a woman on all levels is a factor that adds to his attractiveness. As it should. Black men can't complain about Black women getting snatched up by other men especially if they cannot 1) afford to provide for and 2) protect them. Oh we can complain....lol. Even if the complaints aren't justified and are made out of pure jealousy....a man can still complain. White men did it and often STILL do it. But in this case, I think MY complaint is valid because of the deceptive and underhanded REASONS that White men are snatching up so many Black women. It's not "boy meets girl". They are using the justice system, drugs, the media, the educational system, employment and job security, even social services to link themselves up with Black women and get sex from them either by choice or by basic "bribery" or using subliminal messages in the media to influence them. We don't have as many resources to do the same to their women or even Black American women. Most Black men have to rely on good old fashioned SEX and being good in bed to keep most women "on our jock". Many of thosenn brothas don't care about the *problems*. They might be doing just enough to get by and/or trying to live off a woman. Those gigolo days have nearly ended for most of these bruthaz from what I can see. I don't see bruthaz living off of women like so many did back in the 80s and 90s. Maybe it's because I'm older and not as "involved" in what a lot of the younger people are doing. The vast majority of Black men who ARE living with women of any race are working and pulling their weight today.

ProfD My reality is different. Is it that our Realities are different; or is it our PERSPECTIVES of the SAME Reality that's actually different? DMV dudes don't really have to go after African and West Indian women. Probably because they've realized that like most places around the nation...most Black American men don't have much of a chance with them. You don't see a lot of Black men hollering at Arab and Indian (from India) women either although many of them are attractive and have nice bodies that Black men like. Why not? Is it that Black American men simply don't find them attractive, or is it that our bruthaz have been TRAINED since childhood that they are "less than" these women and shouldn't dare even think about trying to bang one. ....even though Arab men hit on Black women all day long. As far as non-FBA Black women...... There are PLENTY of pretty and sexy African and West Indian women in the D.C. area so don't tell me the bruthaz don't see them and wouldn't want to slide up in them if given a chance. Problem is they aren't GETTING too many chances because many of these woman have made it CLEAR that they aren't trying to have sex with Black American men. Why beat a dead horse? So bruthaz chase after easy game like Black American women and CERTAIN White women. AfroAmerican women are plentiful around here. Well built dudes don't have a problem pulling them. Define "well built". Chev I think economics has a lot to do with how these relationships occur. If there is a big change now in White men going into relationships with Black women, I wonder how the economic aspect affects this trend. Economics is a HUGE factor. The vast majority of women of color who date and marry White men obviously do it because of their money and status. This is one of the reasons I celebrate women's empowerment. I'm not just saying that because you're a woman but because I know when women are making their own money and have control over their lives then THEY can choose who they want to have sex with whether it's a man of another race or even another woman if that's their inclination. But atleast THEY get to decide...not a bunch of men who hold control over them. So-called "traditional" cultures don't allow that. Their idea of "family values" means keeping women subdued and maintaining control over who they sleep with...usually for racist reasons. Even with VP Harris, especially, I think that there is something significant on a much deeper level going on today when it comes to Black women being sought for marriage relationships with White men. With Harris, part of her appeal to the White racist Establishment is the MESSAGE it sends to young Black girls that if you want to make it in life and be successful...leave them niggaz alone and hook up with a soft quiet White man who'll stand by your side while you make power moves. In the past, these relationships did not occur due to love but it was for lust and for the purpose of giving birth and now today, it is by consent on both sides. I have to put "consent" in quotes because I believe Black women and most women of color are being brainwashed and psychologically programmed through subliminal messages to find White men attractive. It's not quite on the level of drugging...but close. idk, but I have to ponder this for a while. I've never really thought about it on this level until now and reading this post. Lol.... This is one of the reasons I make posts like these. To bring things like this to people's attention they may not ordinarily pay attention to. You RARELY hear a Black man complain about White men snatching up Black women. We act like everything's cool and no problem. A nigga can be homeless on the street with no home, no job, and no woman to sooth him, no respect from the world....but he's "cool" and still walking with a strut. A time is going to have to come when Black men stop acting "cool" and start raising sand about the injustices they are facing economically, politically, and socially. Shit..... It took Black men over 30 years to finally realize all of these Latinos pouring into the country by the millions snatching up jobs and certain other opportunities were a threat to Black economics and will soon be a political threat. A lot of our bruthaz are slow to wake up and that's a problem.

Ok... Now which of these comets will be the major one to cause a global calamity and disrupt humanity?

It doesn't matter HOW many sistaz there are nor the ratio, if the sistaz ain't CHOOSIN' up on the bruthaz. Yes there are plenty of sistaz. Sitting at the table by themselves IGNORING most of the Black men who come past them. And no, I'm not talking about ME or MY PERSONAL experiences but what I've WITNESSED in public and also based on what young Black men and many Black women are telling me. Not sure what society yall live in where Black women are chasing Black men around like they were in the 80s and 90s because it's not in America in 2024. I've been to D.C. AND Atlanta and Black women are NOT choosing up on most bruthaz like that. And I'm talking about Black American women. We won't even get into how the Ethiopian and Eritrean women there in the DMV area are treating Black men....lol. We'll leave that alone...lol. No sir. Bruthaz over 40 need to get their minds out of what they saw waaaay back in 1995 while they were up in the club listening to Tupac and Jodeci, and look at the CURRENT reality and the sexual/racial dynamics of today.