Pioneer1

....don't forget the Negus (word for "King") of ancient Ethiopia!

Sorry for aging you by 2 years...lol. However 47-49 years old is still old enough to know how some of our people are and what type of reception you'll receive when you try to talk about new and intelligent topics with them. They must first seek "approval" from White folks before taking your ideas seriously. Once they see that White folks like it and think it's a good idea, the average nigga will fall in line. Sometimes...unfortunately....by the time White folks learn of it and voice their approval, they've already STOLEN the idea and put it to use. And speaking of that word.... I respect your right as well as the right of others not to use it or even think it. It reminds me of Richard Pryor and his trip to Africa and how after seeing so many beautiful and intelligent Black folks, he vowed to never use that word again. But that was him, if he didn't want to use it. If Minister Farrakhan uses it from time to time and even Martin Luther King routinely used it, I don't think I'm so far above those men that I shouldn't use it myself. I use it every day, and sometimes through out the day...depending on who I'm referring to and what environment I'm in....lol. I generally don't use it when I'm in the presence of Caucasians. Not because I care what they think of it, but I don't want them to think THEY can now use it after hearing me so freely use it. I will say that I differentiate the word "nigga" from the word "nigger". Of course they started off the same word...one was just a mispronunciation of the other...but we as AfroAmericans actually made a brand new word out of that mispronunciation which is now a new word with several definitions. But out of respect, I'll keep in mind not to use it when dialoging with you.😉

frankster As shown above not all translation of that verse uses the word "forever". Sounds to me like the translators are playing games with "the word". If you can say this about THESE verses, who's to say that OTHER verses may not also be mistranslated or some words left out or added to? This is why I don't call it "holy" or put my faith in it. Too much room for manipulation and error. Now show where the vast majority slaves in the American Slavery System was not meant to remain slaves forever? I present to you exhibit A: US. WE are the descendants of the victims of it and WE'RE no longer in Chattel Slavery.

frankster really....looks can be deceiving The Cambridge Dictionary defines TANGIBLE as the following............ tangible adjective Add to word list C2 real and not imaginary; able to be shown, touched, or experienced TANGIBLE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary This means, if you're ABLE to touch it....not that you have to....but if you are ABLE to see it and ABLE to touch it...it's tangible. The question is can tell 0r differentiate color by touch only? Some people can. Every color has it's own vibration or frequency, and those who are sensitive enough can tell the color of something simply by touching it or even LISTENING to it!

I'm convinced that...... If a person is truly homosexual (not bisexual or mentally ill), their preference/orientation will NOT change. Except for a Miracle. What it is..... 1. When it comes to lesbian women, she has the same plumbing as any other woman so ofcourse she can have babies. All she has to do is lay there with her legs open and let a man do his thing. She doesn't have to enjoy it or even get aroused, just let a man ejaculate into her and nature takes it's course. 2. When it comes to a gay man, things are a little different. In order to get a woman pregnant, his dick has to get hard enough to enter her and ejaculate into her. And if he's truly gay, I don't see that happening because her body wouldn't arouse him to that point. He can masturbate and give her the semen; but the old fashioned way seems to be out of HIS lane...lol. Again....if he's TRULY gay. A lot of dudes who claim to be gay...but often have sex with women....are BI-SEXUAL but just don't know what that term means so they make up shit like "down low" out of ignorance.

ProfD Honesty starts with being true to self Facts. This is yet another reason why I don't adhere to religion. It too often forces people to lie to themselves because admitting the truth about how they really feel may be considered "evil" or "sinful". Lying and cheating isn't new. Sometimes it wins. In the case of politicians, the voters usually figure out they've been fleeced. One of those things about life in this world that most educational institutions and religious leaders can't explain or won't bother to. That sometimes...dishonesty gets you what you want. And in the case of WARFARE in this world, deception is absolutely necessary to a certain extent. Women are just as nasty and freaky as they want to be when there's an attraction to the man. SHAMELESS...lol. But again, it depends on the man and the level of attraction. There are some men that women find attractive, but they will barely give him any eye contact...much less a smile and a "hello". But some men, they will follow around like a puppy getting as close to him as possible and when nobody is around..groping all over him. If I'm reading this correctly, some men love the challenge of pulling a woman who's out of his league. That feeling of accomplishment. An endorphin rush.

Preference or Orientation?

ProfD There's nothing to prevent homosexual dudes from impregnating women. A lack of erection...lol. I would imagine that a gay man would be about as "turned on" by a naked woman as I would be by a naked man. If he can get an erection, especially one strong enough to screw a woman and get her pregnant....is he really homosexual? Perhaps BI-sexual. Same goes for lesbians getting knocked up by dudes. Now THAT is more likely to happen. But even then, unless she's a victim of sexual assault.. if she lays up with a whole man, is she REALLY a lesbian? Think two 60+ year olds getting busy. They won't produce anything. Might end up with a health problem Don't say that. 🕵️‍♂️ I'm not too far from 60 myself and I'd like to think I could still have fun...if I'm careful, lol. When I was in my 20s, I used to ask men (if I knew them well enough) in their 40s, could they still have sex. Now I ask men (again...whom I know well enough) in their 70s....can they still have sex. I suspect some of them are lying about the answers they give but....lol....I guess time will tell.

ProfD Men only have to lie to women who aren't attracted to them already. Correct. ....and they will. Sex and the motivation to have sex is one of the most powerful of human urges. Some people will say or do whatever it takes to satisfy that urge. If you don't remember my dissertation about prostitution from an older thread, the bottom line is that it's legal....they call it dating and marriage It depends on what you're looking for. Some men want only ONE attractive woman to routinely have sex with and is happy having sex with that same one woman for years and years and decades. ....they were made for marriage. Others...like me...would like more variety. Even multiple wives aren't good enough for them because every time they go on a trip they see and meet beautiful women they want to have sex with...lol. But only for short term relationships, then on to the next challenge. That's why it makes sense to be straight up and honest. No confusion. It makes sense and it's correct. However as I said before, it tends to RESTRICT sexual opportunity in this society. It's like a politician who refuses to lie and is totally honest about their intentions and limitations when they take office. They may be honest...but their lying opponent will more likely win because he's telling the voters what they want to hear. Honesty works with women better if we live in a society where sex isn't demonized and condemned as "nasty". Another issue is, most men love the challenge and really don't find a woman who they can sleep with that easily....too attractive, lol. Nobody is forcing men to jump through a bunch of hoops for snatch box. Dudes are putting that stress on themselves. It really depends on the man. Some get it easy, for others it's hard to come by...and for others they don't get it at all. I know quite a few men in their 50s and 60s who have no history of any sexual activity, nor do I see women approaching them or even talking to them. Nor do they approach women. They aren't ugly or gay....not that I know if...but it just "is" what it is with them. They don't seem to attract women at all. Actually, smart men don't chase coochie. They chase money which brings a windfall of snatch. I've heard that too. The fact is, I knew a LOT of broke ass dudes who have beautiful women fighting over them. I don't know of any lonely rich dudes. I don't know a lot of rich dudes personally, but the ones I do know either are married, gay, or atleast date. But I've been TOLD of some lonely rich dudes though. White men only care about Black men screwing their women and others is to the extent that it messes up the gene pool. Man, you'd be surprised at how concerned White men are with that black penis and who's getting it...lol. I've watched many White men when I or another Black man is communicating with women. They study us EVERYTIME we interact with women be it FBA AfroAmerican, Asian, African, European, whoever. I've noticed that they ONLY time many of them don't seem to get quirky and stare in disapproval....is if we're with an average or unattractive FBA sista. It's as if to say, "Go ahead, you can have her". But when it comes to women of other races AND African women...yes...I said AFRICAN WOMEN...many White men feel that THEY are more entitled to date and kick it with them than you. When it comes to an attractive FBA sista. I don't sense the same feeling of entitlement, but more of a "hatin'" vibe of wishing they could have her. Man, you should see how White men swirl around trying to listen in on the conversations and even come and stand and stare when they see me or another Black American man talk to a Nigerian or Congolese woman. I don't care how dark she is...she could be jet Black...but they don't want YOU to have her. I don't know what goes on between them and African women behind closed doors or what they're being told before coming to this country, but CLEARLY most White men feel that they are more entitled to African women than AfroAmerican men are.

If homosexuality is natural...meaning human beings did absolutely nothing to cause it in any way and it just naturally and spontaneously occurs in all given populations; I suspect THAT would be one of Nature's forms of birth control.

Absolutely.....why do you think they want to come here? They are SIGNING UP (as frankster would say...lol) to be slaves. Just like the poor White folks don't care about poverty AS LONG AS they are a step above the average Black person and has more than they have, it's the same with many of these immigrants. They sign up to be slaves under White folks and make it crystal clear they have no problem being 2nd or even 3rd class citizens with White folks incharge....as long as it's understood that White folks like them better than they like you. A few more enlightened ones will battle with the others for more power and proximity to White folks. The smarter Latino may fight with the smarter Arab over political power and being closer to White success. The smarter Korean may fight with the smarter Pakistani over economic power and being closer to White success. ..... but they all have the same reaction to the Black man with an ashy face and some powdered white lips running up to their car with a squeegee in his hand.

frankster We have a fundamental difference of understanding of the what the verse means and implies given the corresponding verses I provide as to the situation it addresses. I understand to you The Words plainly mean what they say....fine Yes, I do. I didn't realize you had to have some sort of special "decoder" ring or read the scripture with a special pair of glasses that decodes and uncovers the "real" words that apparently are printed in invisible ink and hidden behind the plain text. The plain text says you will be taken, enslaved, and passed along from one generation to the next forever. But when you put on THESE GLASSES "Here nigger.... Put these on and read those verses again." Ok, NOW it says that you can only SIGN UP to be a slave, choose which master you want to serve, light a candle...and when the flame dies out....you're free to toss a bag over your shoulder and walk the hell off the property whenever you get ready. Do we agree that the slavery describe is much different from European style Enslavement of African??? Yes. Because even under the American system of slavery as cruel as it was, you weren't condemned be slave "forever". Damn.

You said this was around the year 2000. If you're 74 now, that would have made you around 50 years of age back then. That's old enough for an intelligent man like yourself to have KNOWN how niggaz are....lol. Like that old Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes song, "If You Don't Know Me By Now". You should have KNOWN better than to even TRY to have a serious and productive dialog with niggaz. Many of our people tend to be petty about SERIOUS subject, but far too often serious when it comes to PETTY subjects. Or as Neely Fuller Jr. puts it: "Majoring in minors, and minoring in majors." No.... What you do is find other intelligent Black folks who you KNOW are intelligent and industrious minded and have a meeting with THEM and present that idea to THEM to get something going.....while the niggaz wait outside keeping the cars warm. The only thing you should be talking to the rest of the niggaz about is making sure the restaurant and hotel reservations are set and confirmed for yall to go to after the meetings are over. MAYBE they can handle that.....lol....maybe. But no innovative technological discussions such as the one you were attempting to initiate.

I agree with you that men should be straight up and honest with women and not play games. However the problem is, many men have learned that LYING to women often brings them more success than telling the truth. If they saw an attractive woman they really wanted to have sex with, if he came up to her and honestly told her what he wanted to do she would reject him and leave him on the spot. His honesty wasn't respected but just gave her and opportunity to rule HIM out. Meanwhile Slick-daddy with the gold toof in his mouth sees YOU get dissed and also sees an opportunity for himself. So he comes over smooth talking and listening to her "baby daddy" problems and pretends to be a shoulder she can lean on and next thing you know you see him chilling in his car and just the back of her head bobbing up and down near his lap. There's a lesson to be learned. However I think prostitution should be legal and regulated for the safety of both the workers AND the clients. That would solve a lot of the sexual problems in this society. Most men just want sex without all the bullshit and psychological games many (not all) women bring. Many play the game because they HAVE TO, but if they could just drop a few bills, bust a nut, and get up and go on about their business...a good half would. Not only would the lying and deception be reduced, but I think a lot more work could get done and a lot more progress could be made in society because men wouldn't have to spend so much mental energy trying to figure out ways to get pussy and more time could be spent coming up with better technology and cures for diseases. .....the only issue with that is, that would give Black men almost an equal opportunity with White men to bang women of different races. Something that THEY don't want.

frankster We have been through this already I know, but some people are slow learners...lol. while to recognize Tangibility one must use the sense of Touch... Not necessarily. You don't have to "touch" hot coals to recognize they are tangible objects. So if I was to blindfold you....all other things being equal except for color - you would be able to tell whether is was a black skin penis or white skin penis you were touching? Absolutely! 😏...'cuz MY penis is black, and that's the ONLY penis I'd ever touch, lol.

What if I were to tell you that CHATTLE Slavery itself may in fact come back to some parts of the United States? And it may even be more brutal than it was the first time because the next generation would have "learned lessons" on how to gain and maintain control over their slaves as well as the technology to do so that the previous generations DIDN'T have? And what if I told you that many if not most of these immigrants they're bringing in the nation will be the primary ones responsible for it's possible return?

Before it's over with, I think they're going to try to indirectly pin Tupac's murder on him too. They'll find a way to get him all up in the mix. May even throw in Biggie's murder as well.

That's a given, however when you understand that -you play the cards you're dealt as best you can. ....or go ahead and drop out the game. (and I think you know what that means) If you're in a prison with little to no chance of getting out anytime soon, the smart thing to do is to make it as comfortable and profitable and as safe as possible. That means finding some CO's, faculty, and even other inmates that you can half-way trust and work with while not being surprised if you are double-crossed from time to time. As shitty as your options may seem.....it's better than hanging from your bunk while back at home your graduation picture is being surrounded by candles.

Man you were WRONG for that one.....lol. BTW...guess how many ZEROS are in $50 million. I guess it's NOT all about the Benjamins. All of this came after Puffy sued a mega-billion dollar liquor company (Diageo) over racism and won. It's also said that during these freak-off parties you had a lot of celebrities who were caught on video and they knew he could use those videos to black-mail them, so this was probably a coordinated effort by MANY people to go after him. At any rate....... Puffy, Cosby, even OJ....are lessons ALL Black folks need to learn not just in the United States but around the world. When it comes to racism, White folks don't care how much money you have...if they want to come after you they'll find a way. From an Earthly perspective, what we need is POWER. PHYSICAL POWER. But that would mean we have to have the intelligence and technology and organization to produce it....and that's an issue with OUR people. The second best thing.....based on my limited understanding of this world and how it works so far....would be to make alliances with powerful White organizations who CAN and WILL protect us from other racists. This actually works to a certain extent. Back in my community organizing days, I was told by knowledgeable bruthaz that if you want to get something done with White people...find the Jews and ask them for help. Why? Because they usually control the OTHER White folks in power....lol. And it worked almost all of the times that I've tried it. He's right there in New York, thousands of people of influence he could have been contacting to keep himself and his organization protected. I'm not sure what Puff did or should have done, but instead of wasting time "SWIMMING in women with their own condominiums" what the nigga SHOULD have been doing was FLYING to Israel every other year meeting with people and rubbing elbows with global influence. But in reality, I'm not just talking about Jews but this goes for MOST powerful White people/organization. Find some who are willing to work with you and see if you can work something out with them.

Or better yet..... Instead of constantly running from one plantation to another plantation and fleeing one cruel white "massa" only to end up under the whip of another; we should form OUR OWN political party and push OUR agenda. With all of this talk and bashing of the Democrat Party....and they deserve it.....when I look over at the Republican Party I don't see Black folks running shit except their mouths. What power do Black folks have in the Republican Party? Niggaz aren't even allowed to decide what foods and refreshments to serve at MAGA rallies and conventions. They have NO power. Just stand there grinning and clapping and hope nobody asks them to leave.

Lol....but I guess Mr. Trump doesn't???? You negro conservatives are a trip. You parrot all the foolishness White Conservatives babble, without even taking the time to think about the logic behind it and see if it even makes sense. It's like how Conservative politicians love to talk about how "government" is the enemy and they want less government but THEY are running for office and want to be PART of the government (thus expanding it). But you negroes don't even take time to question such illogical thinking. Instead, you parrot it. But to answer your obviously rhetorical question..... NO. Black Americans' political ignorance will not erase "it" from the future. We're here, and we're STAYING here...in one form or another and by one NAME or another. Kind of like how...despite the genocide...many Native Americans are still here but under different names and labels like the name "Mexican" or "Latino" or even "Spanish". However not just the POLITICAL ignorance but the GENERAL ignorance of AfroAmericans as a group does indeed pose a real problem for the IMMEDIATE future of some of our people and we should be focused on improving ourselves and gaining more knowledge politically, scientifically, socially, Spiritually, and otherwise.

What did you expect to happen?

ProfD First of all, it's part of human nature. I don't think it's about discipline anymore than a person should discipline themselves to not eat or drink or use the bathroom. You can LIMIT and TRAIN yourself to do these things at certain times of the day, but you still MUST do them. It's the same with sex for many if not most people. It's a powerful urge that must be acted upon at some point. Another thing that I didn't mention is from what I heard, much of the time it's not up to the women. In many of these countries, the men feel it's their right to DEMAND sex from "their" women (wife or girlfriend or mistress) anytime they want. Even if SHE doesn't want to, he in a way forces her to do it and it's ingrained in the culture. The poorest people seem to procreate more than those who are well off. That's because they usually have more TIME on their hands to do so than a wealthy person or person TRYING to become wealthy busy with work and school. Also, fucking is usually FREE so it's often the entertainment of choice for those who are healthy but have no money.

ProfD It's really most of time. Men coud save themselves a whole lot of time and money by accepting that reality sooner than later in life. I think most men DO realize that about themselves. However they've been conditioned and socially engineered to suppress this admission and pretend otherwise. Like we talked about in the other thread, most men in Western society have been conditioned to believe that "lust" is not only wrong but a "deadly" sin. So they either fight the feeling or suppress it. Nah. It doesn't sound nasty once you understand African cuisine. I was so used to catfish almost always being fried, until she brought me some of that soup. It was delicious, but it took me a minute to decide if I wanted to try it or not. The main thing is that FBAs cannot afford to put on the cape for other folks. We need to be ten toes down standing on our business As a community, we as FBA need to codify; however as an individual, I can't wait on that. Niggaz been talking about uniting and "getting together" since I was a little boy and before then...lol. For the past 12 years or so I've been making deals with other Black folks from different countries whether at we're at work, on the block, and in other environments. If you're a Nigerian man and you can fix my computer...I'll get with you. If you're a woman from Chad and want to give me "some" for giving you a ride to work all this week...I'll get with you, lol. If you're a woman from Ethiopia and own a coffee shop and give me free coffee from time to time...I'll get with you. On an individual level, you do what you need to do to further your success.

Whether it's really a sin or not, I don't know. Most people hope they don't experience something so terrible that they are faced with having to make that decision, however it's not wise to judge people who do that unless you've either experienced or closely observed and understood the situation they're dealing with. Like you said, a lot of it is mental health issues....but then again you have people who've seen and experienced things where the pain is so great they don't see a need to continue on. I was watching a news video the other day of a 14 year old boy who's ENTIRE FAMILY....mother, father, and older sister...were instantly killed in a car crash in Texas. Imagine the pain that boy will have to go through for years if not the rest of his life trying to deal with something like that.