Pioneer1

frankster Here is the greatest difference I see between support and condone.. When it is supported...they are slave catchers and society is in cahoots with your continued enslavement and oppression. Leviticus 25 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor. 🤨 -Sounds like the Bible condones & supports slavery, and now...SO DO YOU...lol.

Then another question...... Is being the "man" of the house or head of the community WORTH dying for? I often wonder should men really be "thriving" for that type of mentality or should it just automatically be "in" you to do that and think that way....which means that if it's not in you already, it's not meant to be. Who says the man who lets his woman take charge while he kicks back and enjoys himself and not ruffle any feathers is any worse than the man who wears his masculinity on his sleeves and trying to maintain control at all costs? This are sincere questions. I'm no longer religious, so I don't believe that "all" men were given some Divine authority to rule. I believe human males tend to be dominant by nature because of our testosterone...but there are many exceptions. So....who says that the brothers who are taking the easy way out....but surviving and enjoying themselves by living off of women...are in the wrong? Who says the Arabs who are dying to be "the man" and maintain respect and fear from their women....are right?

My question is.....why did anybody SERIOUSLY believe that the state of California was going to pass out Reparations checks to AfroAmericans??? I couldn't believe my brother Tariq Nasheed was falling for this one. First of all, STATES don't pass out Reparations.....NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS do. It was a joke from it's inception. I personally believe it was a ploy or plot to encourage more silly negroes to move out to California hoping to collect a check so they can trap them and lock more of them up.

frankster The ideology of Race It can only Categorize as Social Construct used to achieve political and economic goal and agendas...... Ok. So if those are the cards we're dealt, why not use them to OUR benefit? The Supreme Being is Nature I disagree. I believe The SUPREME BEING Created Nature, therefor is BEYOND Nature itself. It then begs the question what is using the Mind The Divine.

I wasn't aware of the back and forth between ProfD and richardmurray...lol. ProfD I hear (read..lol) what you're saying and as usual you make valid and powerful points, but let me give you something to think about. We can blame the White Power Structure for waging war against Black masculinity and blame the Black woman for being his accomplice. However if the Black man SUCCUMBS to this war or GIVES IN to this war...then who is the biggest problem? It's one thing to fight back....and LOSE to a more powerful force. It's another thing to not fight back AT ALL and instead run up in the house, lay on the couch, and smoke a blunt while your woman and children are getting their ass beat. Maybe their war and opposition just exposed how weak and pathetic so many of these niggaz really are...even if it's the MAJORITY of our brothers. Why do I say such a thing? Look at what White men have ATTEMPTED to do to the Arabs in the East. They have ATTEMPTED to emasculate them and punk them in front of their women but nearly every one of them will stand up and DIE if necessary to keep "order" in their community and maintain their hegemony in the household and community. Look at those Palestinians and how they are being slaughtered....but every two days somebody is setting off rockets and shit letting them know they are still "here" and got some breath in them. I wouldn't do that....lol But the "fight" in them is just that bold. Is that good or bad? I'm not sure. Maybe punking out and even turning into a cross dressing sissy with long blonde hair is a subconscious CHESS MOVE that allows Black men to survive a powerful enemy with overwhelming opposition that he can't defeat at this time. Maybe it's meant to by us some time so that instead of being exterminated....he lives to reproduce a future generation that will eventually win the war. ....or maybe just produce another generation of punks, lol. But at some point, we're going to have to take a look at the Black man himself and ask: 1. Why doesn't he TAKE charge of his family and community instead of begging White men or his lady to "share" some of the power? and 2. Why doesn't he prepare to DIE if necessary rather than continue to live in such a humble and humiliated state?

"Switch Hitters".....lol...now that's a new one to me. Sounds like some GROUP SEX gay shit going on with that one....lol.

If our brother Tariq Nasheed were on this board he would QUICKLY "correct" the title of your thread as should be: African men side African female athletes...lol. We know that murder and domestic violence transcend race and nationality, but the fact that crimes this heinous are RARELY committed by FBA men is beyond coincidence. There are certain things AfroAmerican men do to women and there are certain things they just don't do PERIOD, let alone to the women they loved or used to love. Dousing them in gasoline and setting them on fire is one of those things that is RARELY done by Black Americans...male or female. Again....it happens...but it's rare. It's like HANGING a person. Of all the different ways niccaz kill eachother, hanging another is near the bottom of the list; somewhere near crucifixion and burying people alive. Perhaps because gats are so readily available.... not sure.....but to douse somebody is gas and set them on fire it particularly hateful and vicious.

Troy How was this knowledge obtained by Honorable Elijah Muhammad? As ProfD already pointed out, it was taught to him by a man who went by Prophet W.D. Fard back in the 1930s. I appreciate the time and effort you put into proving this explanation @Pioneer1. It was interesting reading. Was it meant to be taken literally, or is a myth? Oh no, it's to be taken LITERALLY. Like I said, I don't know for sure if it's absolutely true like 2 + 2 = 4. But I believe the Yakub Theory more than I believe the Theory of Evolution. Am I understanding this correctly if I conclude that you are saying that white people emerged about 6,000 years ago? Yes. Is there any evidence that THEY go back any further? We have pictures of Black and Brown people on the wall of the Pyramids in both Africa and the Americas as well as painting all around the world that go back tens of thousands of years....but no White folks are in them, lol. Well parts of it resonate in that I believe humans may have been more advanced in the past in ways that we can't understand today Most ancient and indigenous cultures around the world also believe this...literally. If you talk to the Indigenous peoples of the planet, all of them say that humans were more technologically and spiritually advanced in the past and that the "Gods" dwelt among them. They teach that humanity DE-VOLVED to this time period, rather than E-volved like the Caucasians teach. Maybe BOTH are correct....respectively. I haven't let this Terrence Howard thing go yet. People are ridiculing him about his discovering new math. They'll clown on him and ridicule him just long enough to study everything he's saying and teaching....STEAL IT from him...and then in a generation or two pin the new findings on some goofy looking White boy as the "discoverer" of it.

frankster No.... the Bible does not Support slavery. Lol...seriously? Leviticus 25 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor. Joshua 9 22 And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, We are very far from you; when ye dwell among us? 23 Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God. Ephesians 6 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win ... .....frankster, stop it. Don't do this to yourself...lol.

@umbrarchist I promised that when I had more time I would go into a brief explanation of the Yakub theory as taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Although I don't KNOW if it's true or not since I wasn't around to witness it...I believe it because it makes more sense than some "evolution" garbage that White folks and ONLY White folks came up with...and people of color later on began to just "accept" like most things White folks present to them....to explain their origins. Forget the bullshit you've seen and heard on the internet CLAIMING to explain Yakub, who he was, and what he did or what Elijah Muhammad said about the making of White people. Forget those Youtube disinformation videos of some big headed nigga with a gold chain and robe on claiming to be "Yacub" preaching to White folks, which seems to be an effort to discredit the ACTUAL theory and fill it full of lies and ridiculousness to the point that most folks wouldn't dare take it seriously. I'm going to give you a simplified but accurate version of what he taught without the contamination. First of all the Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity is TRILLIONS of years old and that many many civilizations and worlds have come and gone. They go in cycles. As advanced as THIS world appears to be, we've had FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations before this one and will have many many more FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations after this one is destroyed. Infact, as a quick aside..... As an engineer you may be interested in the fact that the Nation of Islam claims that there are about 60,000 books of mathematics...many of which are MUCH more profound and higher than this lightweight stuff practiced and taught in the West like calculus, trigonometry, etc.. He taught that of those 60,000 books of mathematics, ONLY ONE of those books were given to White folks for them to build their civilization upon but the other 59,999 are far more profound and advanced. This is the type of mathematics we built the pyramids and other monuments with that are still standing despite thousands of years and Earthquakes. Anyway..... During this particular cycle...about 7000 years ago, a boy named Yakub while playing with two pieces of metal and noticing that they had a magnetic effect on eachother discovered that "unalike" objects often attract the opposite of what they are. This discovery as a boy set him on a journey of research and study and as he got older he discovered while looking through a microscope (yes we not only had microscopes but MORE than that) that there exists in human beings two genes...a darker and a lighter. You see this today when two Black parents will produce a darker child and a lighter child. Sometimes they even produce an albino...but that's a different subject all together. He said he would make a new people who are lighter and lighter until they are White and use their "unalike" being to attract and rule over the rest of the Black world. He started preaching this around his community and eventually gathered a following and him and his followers of about 60,000 were exiled to an island out in the middle of the Aegan Sea On that island he convinced his followers to start this experiment of making a new "white" people who would one day rule the world and he implemented a protocol of SELECTIVE BREEDING to produce this. First of all it should be noted that Yakub and his followers were Black but weren't African. They were of the Asian Black race. There are TWO types of Black people...the Asian Black man and the African Black man. The Asian Black man...most notably found in India today...is very dark but has straight hair, thin nose, and thin mouth like what we'd attribute to White people. Unlike the African Black man who has kinky hair and broader features. His selective breeding process was simple.... Of the current population, make sure only the lightest skinned ones would mate and reproduce with eachother. If dark skinned people wanted to mate...they could only mate with a lighter skinned person. Two dark skinned people couldn't mate with eachother and if they did and a baby was produced....that baby was killed. Now at first, you only had Black and dark brown people mating with eachother so there wasn't that big of a noticeable difference, but each generation got lighter and lighter and after a few generations....NO Black people were around..only brown skinned people. Then tan, then yellowish, until after 600 years of this, White people...many of whom had blonde hair and blue eyes.... were produced. This occurred approximately 6000 years ago. After this population of White people came into being, they went back to the main lands of Asia and Africa to conquer and rule over the people using deception and violence. There is much more to this story after this event, but I'll end it right here for now. While you weigh whether to accept or reject the NOI's theory of Yakub, here's a few things for you to consider: 1. All over the world today regardless of nation or race, you find this support and love for the lighter complexion and disdain and rejection of the darker complexion. Seems pretty unusual since so many people are naturally born dark skinned; so why would they have such an ingrained hate or dislike or themselves, unless it was INSTILLED into their culture at some point in the past. 2. Scientific articles have been out for some time now but resurface from time to time claiming that ALL people with blue eyes came from a common ancestor about 6000 years ago. Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor | ScienceDaily Everyone With Blue Eyes May Descend From a Single Human Ancestor (popularmechanics.com) Humanity has been on the planet HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years (or trillions of years if you believe Elijah Muhammad), so is it just a coincidence that this ancestor with blue eyes happened to be dated the same time as Yakub's experiment? 3. Going back to the point about advanced mathematics and how the ancient Black man's math was far more advanced than what we have today. Whether it's true or not, the actor Terrence Howard is all over the internet claiming to have "discovered" a new type of math. This is nothing new. Black men constantly "invent" things that are far more advanced and beyond this Western civilization's science because this civilization is limited. Like I said, the NOI claims they were only given ONE book of 60,000. If this is true, we didn't actually invent it; it already existed and was practiced by our Ancestors...but White folks just didn't know about it and thus couldn't teach us. We THINK we invent a lot of this stuff but it existed MILLIONS of years ago and it's in our very NATURE to figure it out and express it today. Infact, MUSIC...which we clearly excel in...is mathematics. Holding a beat, sequencing, rhythm -these are advanced forms of mathematics...PRACTICAL mathematics....that even little Black kids on the sidewalk can whoop the hell out of the average "well educated" White man in. Say what? You say Western science is much more advanced than that Voodoo and Santeria that Africans and Indians use? Well, Voodoo Doctors can make snakes and other animals grow inside human beings...can Western doctors and scientists to that? The science and knowledge of our ancient Ancestors are FAR more profound and advanced than this lightweight shit White folks have. Which is why they often call their so-called professions a "practice". While they PRACTICE science...we MASTERED it. The average Black PIMP on the streets can whoop the hell out of the average White psychologist on how the mind actually works...lol. There is much more detail to this theory and those who know it well will know that I kept a lot of the information out in order to simplify it, but I'll let you digest it and decide on it's validity. If you have questions or want more details about certain things, I'll answer and provide them if I can.

🤣 🤣 🤣 I'm on my way to finishing up some work and going to bed, but I'd love to EXPLAIN to you the Yacub Theory as officially taught by the Nation of Islam one day when I have more time...lol. Something tells me you'd be more interested in it than YOU think you would.

We've come a long way, but we should be much much futher along than we are today. I would say that since the mid-80s, the AfroAmerican community has actually been going BACKWARDS or more precisely took a DEVIANT route.

HOPPING MAD! Man, I made one so mad 6 or 7 months ago he was actually hopping and wiggling around in his chair with a red face and strings of spit stretching in his mouth! 🤬 "What is this....a fucking inquisition???"

.....and I don't suppose another contributing factor of the Blach Church's passivity would be that it's currently populated mostly by females and gay/effeminate males.

I like how you say "wait for the answer" NEELY FULLER JR. style! Man, that actually WORKS! Stay in the question lane/mode! As soon as they answer one question, have 3 more ready for them....lol.

umbrarchist And who "owns" the land and collects the rent in the Afro-American community? Who has to send Black kids to schools that are not worth a damn? So the next generation cannot get jobs worth a damn to pay the rent. The Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad both gave us the Solution to these problems. Did we AS A COMMUNITY listen to them and follow their instruction? I work with a lot of Africans, many of them have a condescending attitude toward AfroAmericans. However just when I start getting angry and resentful I CATCH myself and ask myself...should I blame them? We've been in this land well over 500 years and have had physical freedom to build communities and a society for ourselves over 150 years. After having the RELATIVE freedom to do so or over 150 years, how much more have we accomplished in comparison to people who just stepped off a plane 30 or 40 years ago?

I'm not religious, but the belief that our sista Sonya Massey's murder was demonic and a manifestation of a spiritual battle SHOULD be on the lips of every so-called Christian...especially Black Christian....in the United States. I personally think it was just a racist doing what racists do which is harm and mistreat people of color; however to a Christian...for somebody to be murdered after uttering the name of Jesus -should be alarming. And the fact that it's not, and the conversation has pretty much "moved on" from this tragedy is disturbing. What these non-Black people discussed in these videos and their insight were not only SPOT ON but it was actually the reaction I EXPECTED from the Black Christian community, but didn't get it.

Don't forget the close relatives of the victims who come on to "forgive" the racist perpetrators....sometimes even before the funeral! "I know you kilt my brother but Can I...... Can I get a hug?????"

The Bible BOTH condones and supports slavery. The Old Testament tells the Israelites who among them can be enslaved and how they should be treated. The New Testament tells slaves to obey their masters.

True, however seems to me if the city of New York was TRULY concerned with saving money they would start with their most obvious and unnecessary expense...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. ...not picking on poor people for not paying their bus fare. NYC as well as the state has recently spent MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of dollars feeding, housing, and giving various other benefits to illegal immigrants. But now they want to go after their own tax paying citizens over services that should actually be FREE. Talk about swallowing a camel whole, but then turning around and gagging on a little gnat.

I have a number of questions.... One is actual, and others are rhetorical. 1. Why would a father by his 14 year old son a MILITARY style rifle? As the good Professor already pointed out, it's clearly not designed for hunting. Who did his father expect for him to one day use it on if he "had" to? ....this is a rhetorical question, as I already know the answer. 2. After recent incidents involving WHITE parents buying weapons for their children..... After asking WHY so many White parents are buying weapons for their children, then we must as why AREN'T Black parents doing the same for THEIR children? 3. There is more AfroAmerican political power in the state of Georgia than anywhere outside of the DMV area of the United States, what will the Black political power structure of Georgia do in response to this? ....I already know the answer to this one too, so this is another rhetorical question.

I'm going to tell yall something. I thought Charleston White was one of the stupidest craziest niggaz to get on the internet for a long time; until I listened to a couple of interviews he did. I listened to the WHOLE videos, not just the clips and parts people were talking about. Like Kanye...there is some genius in his madness at times. He's touched on points that I agree with but hadn't heard from anybody else. He may be crazy...MAY be or he may be just playing the fool for strategic purposes...but the dude ain't stupid by a long shot. He's very observant and can put things together. Now worse than Slavery? That's a bit of a stretch, but not too far off. Let's analyze this a bit..... If you don't include the TRANSPORTATION (kidnapping and storage on slave ships) and BREAKING of our Ancestors before they became actual slaves...which was probably the most gruesome crime in the history of humanity...and argue strictly over the Institution of Slavery in the United States alone, despite murder, torture, and general physical and mental abuse and violence...... -an argument MIGHT be made for Charleston's point. The reason I say this is because if we deal with just the IMAGE ALONE, atleast under Chattel Slavery, you had a CLEAR enemy. A clear "good guy" and a clearly "bad guy". The Black woman and man was clearly the GOD fearing oppressed victim of the brutish violent White man and woman. Not only did we have morality on our side but the rest of the world could see we were the "good people". But today..... With the crime, gangs, and drugs that our people have been dealing with since the 1960s...it's hard for most people to blame it on racism even though that's it's origins. People weren't around to witness the brutality of Slavery and most don't even remember Jim Crow and the common lynchings, but they see niggaz acting a fool and being violent not just on television and in the movies but often in real life when they walk out the door. That's what they SEE, regardless of who's pulling the strings. People from all over the world often come here and see this and how can you tell them anything different when they're LOOKING at niggaz in baggy clothes riding around shooting eachother and grinning as they hit the gas and run from the police??? When it comes to the murder and violence. Atleast under Slavery it was White folks...the open enemy...you was doing most of the killing and torturing. So it was less confusing. Where they doing it as much as Black folks are doing it to eachother today? I'm not sure. However what we DO know is that now most of the killing and torturing SEEMS to be done by other Black folks...with a grin on their face. Not sure what the numbers were back in slavery, but AfroAmericans have been killing and shooting and stabbing eachother by the THOUSANDS every year since the mid-60s or before. Not to mention the other treacherous shit our people often do to eachother. So we weren't around to WITNESS Slavery, but most of us who grew up in urban areas like New York, D.C. and Detroit HAVE witnessed what niggaz did and are still doing in the AfroAmerican community...lol.

Troy You probably learned something, but I get your point. I didn’t take calculus in high school, but I took it in college as well several courses in higher mathematics all of which I have forgotten. My grades in these courses were not good I had a problem understanding the concepts years later I watched a YouTube video and a light went off. I recall, thank you man. If the professors just explained it like this, it would’ve been so much easier. I took many courses and did not learn very much. I’m not sure if it was my fault the professor‘s fault or combination of both probably the later. Although the SUB-CONSCIOUS absorbs and remembers everything you come into contact with, the CONSCIOUS (which houses the intellect) has limits. You can only absorb so much and if what you soak up is not being used, it's pushed into the sub-conscious and replaced by knowledge that is more relevant. In all my years in corporate America and as entrepreneur, beyond the basic skills of reading and math, I everything I needed to know on the job… Which is the way it should be. I sincerely believe that the public educational system was PURPOSELY designed so that Black people and especially AfroAmerican males could NOT learn. They study us and how we think and then they purposely construct curriculum that they know will work for White girls, White boys, and even Black females while leaving Black boys behind. If that's JUST a conspiracy theory (and not a Conspiracy fact) and not the truth....then tell me why so many Black men excel in the U.S. MILITARY! Seems to me if Black boys can't learn...that same pattern would follow them into the U.S. Armed Forces. But we know Black men do FAR ABOVE AVERAGE in just about every department in the military. There's a disconnect somewhere. ProfD Then again, the system is designed to produce certain outcomes. Ofcourse. It was DESIGNED to produce failures out of most Black men. Especially AfroAmerican men. They study us. They know what makes us tick and how we learn. Why do you think these Universities and private organizations get BILLIONS of dollars to do "research" on social behavior and the mind? Who are they researching? YOU You can't tell me a 10 year old Black boy who can memorize every lyric to every song that his favorite rap artist produced (dozens if not hundreds)....but can't learn algebra.

Well my question is, if the husband was scowling and upset at what he saw....then why did he bring his ass up here? Why didn't he stay where he was and be happy, and let his wife and kids come up here where THEY'D be happy? I know what it was. He saw too much Black competition, and didn't like it....lol. Most people who come to the U.S. don't realize that we have so many Black people or that so many of the Black people are doing well. They think most AfroAmericans are confined to ghettos and slums being harassed by the police. Probably came up here and saw so many Black folks with money, cars, and Black men with White women giggling at them and thought to himself... "These Prietos would never be allowed to make so much money, drive such cars, and screw so many white women back in MY country." Talk about war is a "necessary evil". To many of these non-Black immigrants; having to live and work around Black folks is a "necessary evil" if they want to stay in America and have something to eat. As much as they hate it, they don't want to go back to sleeping on dirt floors and having to share the sidewalk with goat and dogs.

If New York City is so strapped for cash, they should stop housing and feeding all of those illegal immigrants they have up there by the thousands. Housing them up in hotels and giving them spending money. .....but have the nerve to complain about citizens not paying subway fare.