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richardmurray well over 95% of black people were once enslaved which is a pure combination of being incarcerated plus homeless at the same time, so I argue your assertion is wrong that black percentages to either are higher than ever. Well, let's look at it..... Firstly, I was making two separate points. 1)How can more Black Americans be in jail and homeless right now more than in any time in history AND be at a record low poverty rate at the same time???? Then.... 2)Black folks....in Michigan atleast....collectively were doing MUCH better in the 80s and early 90s than they are collectively today. Not nearly as many were incarcerated. You didn't see nearly as many homeless. I'd have to argue that slaves generally speaking weren't "homeless". They had homes they were actually forced to live in. Also, I stand by my statement that more Black folks are in jail (which is a form of slavery in most cases) than at any time in history. Prison is a form of slavery BUT....slavery wasn't necessarily the same as being in prison or jail. Kind of like apples are fruit, but not all fruits are apples. Troy I think the income figures used to determine poverty are too low. There are plenty of people making $50,000 or $60,000 a year who are on the verge of being homeless along with their families. Those who do these studies like to make assumptions like the person is getting medicaid as well as taking advantage of certain programs like section 8 to help pay for their housing.

Let me explain or expound upon my above comment a little more.....lol. Nature has a way of weeding out the most stupid of humanity. ....if you let nature take it's course. Many if not most of the people stupid enough to get on top of moving trains and ride them like skate boards don't live long enough to have children. Or get locked up (for doing dumb shit) at young ages BEFORE they start having children. Because of this, whatever genetic defect that affects their intelligence isn't passed along to their offspring.

.....but that's coming. And soon. The U.S. doesn't mind sending billions to Ukraine to keep Russia contained, as long as they CAN keep Russia contained. But they're losing the war big time and so the U.S. has to step their game up...or change games...in order to prevent Russia from expanding their grip. Obviously proxies aren't helping, so it's probably time for a DIRECT confrontation.

Just giving away federal money to Ukraine by the BILLIONS and not even a hearing on it, let alone a study. But like I've said before, if we as AfroAmericans were truly organized and united....we could give OURSELVES Reparations! Literally. Black Congressmen could literally pass a bill and put enough pressure on the leaders to sign it into law and honor it.

Troy, so are you trying to tell me that THIS man- ....is the "leader" of Black America??????

Troy I didn't even KNOW there was a paper called the "Afro American" until I read it in this thread....lol. It was organized by the leader of black america, in so far as we have one, Al Sharpton. Only one? Al Sharpton????? I'd say we have hundreds if not THOUSANDS of Black leaders in America today....which is part of the problem. The people are confused and not sure which direction to go in. Too many to choose from. I didn't even KNOW there was a paper called the "Afro American" until I read it in this thread....lol.

I used to LOVE Flava Flav.....lol. Now I think he's an embarrassment. He was one even back then, I just didn't realize how silly his antics were to grown folks who were serious about liberation. PE trying to talk about serious issues and he's on stage and in videos with his eyes bugged out and mouth twisted up acting a fool. I know he was doing it to hype the people up and add entertainment.....but still. Chuck's rhymes and messages were so powerful, that foolery really wasn't needed.

I admit that living in Western Michigan, my region isn't the most ideal one to measure and determine how successful Black America collectively is doing, but having grown up in a mostly Black city and having been all over the nation since the 80s.....AND knowing history....I have to question who came out with that report and how did they come to the conclusions they came to. How can more Black Americans be in jail and homeless right now more than in any time in history AND be at a record low poverty rate at the same time???? Black folks....in Michigan atleast....collectively were doing MUCH better in the 80s and early 90s than they are collectively today. Not nearly as many were incarcerated. You didn't see nearly as many homeless. Most lived in houses that they either owned or were buying. Most had good jobs in factories with benefits and decent pay. The percentage is MUCH lower now. More Black folks have college degrees today than in the past....true. But those jobs are very transient and you bounce from one to the other without a retirement, the pay doesn't seem to buy as much, and many don't even get jobs in their field of study. You drive around the nation today and you see pockets where thousands of Black folks are out on the streets begging and many many more thousands are locked up behind bars.....not counted in the economic system. Like the unemployment rate -I don't think they even count incarcerated people when they do poverty statistics. It's like they don't even exist. But being incarcerated is worse than poverty. And being homeless and destitute as so many are today is worse than living on a meager income in the projects as so many were in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

One of my favorite music videos is by one of my favorite music groups. Fight the Power by Public Enemy Not only the lyrics but the entire atmosphere........ The different hoods with their signs up representing. Real people from the streets up in the video representing more realness. Nation of Islam representing adding positivity and consciousness to the atmosphere. Professor Griff and the S1W's marching and drilling...... So much I love about this video.

Al Sharpton is a gifted Political Activist, Preacher, Teacher, Entertainer, Politician, not to mention a father who managed to stay in the home and raise his children while engaging in all of his activities. Not only is he gifted intellectually, but has remarkable wit and charisma that launched him into the international spotlight since way back in the 80s. He can get on stage with ANY politician Republican or Democrat and not only hold his own but make FOOLS out of most of them with his direct yet witty responses and debating style. I've seen him in person on a number of occasions. He may have lost a lot of weight lately (too much if you ask me....lol) but he's no LIGHT WEIGHT by any means.

NYC to cut overtime pay for police despite being understaffed by 'thousands' (msn.com) New York City to Cut Overtime Pay for NYPD, Other Departments in Response to Migrant Crisis (msn.com) Cutting the overtime pay for your own POLICE FORCE in favor of illegal immigrants??? That's suicide....political suicide. Even if you DID have to make cuts, cutting the pay of your soldiers that you rely on to protect you and keep order under your authority is one of the LAST things you'd do . And Eric Adams was a cop HIMSELF. I'm no fan of the NYPD. What little I DID see of them when I was in New York didn't leave me with the best impression of them. However, if these reports are true, I'm going to have to say Mayor Eric Adams is being played for a COMPLETE FOOL. Whoever on his staff suggested these particular cuts and even fed the stories to the media is trying to UNDERMINE him. He's being turned into the FALL GUY and POSTER CHILD for all politicians guilty of selling out their own American citizens and constituents for illegal immigrants. White folks are doing it. Wealthy White folks of BOTH political parties are bringing illegals into the nation and shipping them all over the nation for the purpose of cheap labor and displacement of AfroAmericans. That's a fact. The US labor market and citizens’ views are shifting in favor of immigration (msn.com) "Citizen's views" my ass....lol. Nobody I know is in favor of immigration legal OR illegal....but the media is trying to JUSTIFY the plans that wealthy White men have enabled to help the LABOR MARKET. But THEY don't want to be the face of it; they want to make a Black man the face of it. So the poor, destitute, and angry Americans will blame HIM instead of THEM. ...and he's walking right into the trap. How foolish.

Is the ENTIRE reason -that they don't have the authority? Or is it that they neither have the authority nor the DRIVE or WILL to enforce laws against White folks? Back in the 70s after Detroit got it's first Black mayor....a STRONG Black mayor....he began integrating the police department and not only FORCING the department to hire more Black officers but encouraged the Black officers to be more aggressive and pro-Black. And he backed them up. Even hired a Black police chief and backed HIM up to back up the Black officers. On more than a few occasions there were actual CONFRONTATIONS between Black and White police officers IN THE PUBLIC over the treatment of Black citizens! On atleast one occasion there was a SHOOT OUT between Black and White cops at a local police precinct after Black officers accused the White ones of harassing them and denying them certain privileges! Again, this was in the 70s....on the heels of the Civil Rights Movement, when Black folks were still pretty aggressive. I say that to say, a lot of the bullshit and foolishness you see going on in the United States (and I can actually say around the world in relation) today is as a DIRECT and INDIRECT response to the passiveness and fear that so many Black folks of the past few generations have when it comes to confronting racism and exerting what power they DO have in this nation. Don't get me wrong. I'm not under delusion that we live in Wakanda (although we could MAKE one if we really desire to) in this nation. I realize wealthy White men run it and hold the most power right now. My point is, Black America has a CERTAIN AMOUNT of power and authority and ain't using it! And we had EVEN MORE back in the 70s....and lost a lot of it BECAUSE of the lack of use. Like that old saying, "If you don't use it.....you lose it". That's true for a lot of power. If you are Favored to get some power and authority and neglect to use it out of laziness or indifference....often times those with LESS power and authority but who are more aggressive and more hungry will TAKE that power from you!

Those sound like "text book" solutions to the problems you've been complaining about. I think you're holding back....lol. I don't think those are ALL of the "solutions" you'd like to see implemented.

So.....what do you think the SOLUTION is for these young mothers and absentee fathers and the violent criminal children they produce? What should society do to prevent what you are describing from happening as we go forward?

ProfD Even in positions of power, ADOS/FBA folks are powerless when it comes to going against the laws established by white folks. ADOS/FBA folks can only enforce the laws...mainly against their own people. Who would stop a couple Black police officers from rolling up on an arrest and stop White officers from unjustified detention? Who would stop a Black Federal judge from overturning a particular law that is clearly unfair and racist forcing the rest of the judicial system to follow suit? Sometimes fear itself is our biggest obstacle. Jeromex blacks in America will never move to Africa or any other country for that matter. How do you explain this: https://www.youtube.com/@goblack2africa54

I'd vote for her as President simply because she's attractive and I wouldn't mind looking at her for 4 years....lol. Look at her, especially compared to Biden You mean you wouldn't want to look at that for 4 or 8 years? Cynique Lol....in order to qualify even as a "coon" you have to atleast be Black.

Jeromex SHE didn't mention their race.....so why did you? She just said she was attacked by 4 young men, but YOU had to let the world know they were "Black" for some reason. Also, if the investigation is still ongoing and they haven't caught them yet....why was she "thanking" the Minneapolis Police Department? Could it be that the Minneapolis police were THE PROBLEM for allowing violent criminals to run loose on the streets while harassing non-violent citizens?

I know a lot of people who LOVE Mint Condition. I just couldn't get down with them like that. Maybe because they were more about just straight singing and less about "Hiphop" like Jodeci. Guy, Troop, Jodeci, Dru Hill, and Jagged Edge were my groups...lol.

ProfD I can't really argue with any of the above....lol. I'm a Pan-Africanist by philosophy so although I do put AfroAmericans first, I have a strong desire to unite with the GOOD of the Black Diaspora. If you're waiting on AfroAmericans as a whole to "get on code" and start working with eachother before moving on to opportunities in Africa- .....good luck waiting, lol. Time has just about run out for waiting on an "aha" moment for many of our people. In my opinion, it would be ideal for the smartest Black folks of all ethnicities to unite with EACHOTHER and network for success trans-continentally. Besides, there are too many beautiful African women out there for us to pass up that opportunity. Not trying to see White men get ahold of them while we stand back with our arms folded throwing up FBA gang-signs....lol.

Troy Websites are great and we need them, but I personally think you should seriously think about establishing a brick-n-mortar institution for a lasting legacy. And yes, I know it will cost a ton of money, but......... I'm a sincere believer in the fact that when the DESIRE is there the OPPORTUNITY and MEANS will manifest themselves.

I posted an article about a week ago showing how they are putting Latino illegal immigrants up in hotel rooms while forcing Black illegal immigrants to sleep on the streets of New York, and it pretty much got ignored. Ok. Well now I see even MORE racist double standards in the U.S. immigration policy. While they're bussing illegal Latino immigrants around the nation putting them in Black neighborhoods and giving them hotel rooms and food vouchers, look who they ARE actually enforcing the laws on....... The US keeps deporting people to a country that it says is too dangerous for travel The Biden administration has taken mixed positions on its policies involving Haiti – with one federal agency warning that the Caribbean country is too dangerous for US citizens, while another agency deports Haitians back to the violence-torn country. Violence in Haiti during the second quarter of 2023 jumped almost 14% when compared to the previous quarter, according to a United Nations report released Thursday. The US keeps deporting people to a country that it says is too dangerous for travel (msn.com) This is beyond outrage. It reminds me of when they sent White men on horseback with whips to whip and beat Black Haitian migrants at the Mexican border and drive them into the river. Black immigrants are clearly being discouraged from coming here while non-Black immigrants are clearly being encouraged to come here and to undoubtedly "replace" the Black population. It's happening right before your eyes. We have Black judges, police officers, government officials.... I wonder what goes through their minds when they sit up there and watch this.

ProfD White folks are neither more organized nor smarter than Black folks. Now come on mayne.....lol. How smart they are can be argued because that also involves INNATE intelligence; but when it comes to something as obvious and practical as organization -SURELY you don't really believe that Black folks collectively are JUST AS if not MORE organized than White folks????? What evidence do we have of this? The average Black man in America has a hard time keeping his CAR organized. Got papers and shit scattered all over and under the seat and gotta risk his life reaching and probing and looking for shit if he's stopped by the police because he doesn't know where he last put his registration. "Hold up....let me find this shit right quick". Come on man. ....not to mention keeping his household and family organized and under one roof. And let's not even TALK about running a city or state by himself without the assistance of a bunch of White men in suits standing in the background directing him. The American negro is HIGHLY unorganized. Notoriously. The average brutha on the street who smokes ain't even got sense enough to keep a damn LIGHTER on him. Gotta keep asking other folks for a "light" -but you smoke a pack a day! Come on man, you know better than that....lol. However, the religion of racism white supremacy is the powerful force on the planet. White folks are more willing to kill anybody who gets in their way of maintaining power. They have instilled fear in others. Facts. The French have threatened military action against Niger if that uranium stops. If we as a community were organized, we'd force America to force France to leave Niger alone. Essentially, you're advocating that Black folks should be smart enough to overcome their fear of white folks. Absolutely! Infact, if you're smart enough....you'd HAVE NO fear because you'd be smart enough to come up with weapons and tactics to overcome any enemy who comes your way. Fear often comes from ignorance...not knowing what to do. When you see and feel the vibration of them BLACK HAWK helicopters coming your way and all you got is a machete and a mop handle....and a tree to hide behind....HELL YEAH you're gonna be afraid! I'm sure you have rarely ever seen the nerd/geek person beat up the bully. Nope. The smart person gets wedgies until they either fight back and/or find some way of protection from the bully even if it means becoming a friend to their enemy. That's because the nerd and geek IS NOT very smart! That's right. They may be BOOK SMART but they aren't PEOPLE SMART. They have academic sense but they are lacking in COMMON sense and SOCIAL intelligence. There's an imbalance. You're good at Algebra and Social Studies....but can't even take a shower or keep your shoe laces tied up, lol. Know how to dissect a frog....but can't even talk to a girl. "EeeeeeHHEEEEE......" The nerd or geek is smart only in ONE SEGMENT of life...but lacking in others. Most of the TRULY smart people I knew in school who had a BALANCED sense of intelligence knew HOW to stay out of fights and trouble and knew how to handle bullies so that they didn't pick on them. Real killers use smart people to maintain their power, domination and control over the weak and afraid. Sure it's not the other way around and the SMART PEOPLE use REAL KILLERS to do their dirty work for them....lol.

Lol...that too. We know there's a lot of smart Black folks and a lot of dumb ass White folks, but collectively White folks have SHOWN themselves to be smarter (again as a GROUP) by ruling the world for so long. Even if you want to say they did it through being ruthless, Black folks should be smart enough to PROTECT OURSELVES from their ruthlessness by now....if we had sense enough. If he's smart enough to enslave you....then why aren't you smart enough to turn around and ENSLAVE HIM....or atleast protect yourself from being enslaved? This is why I keep stressing that I no longer expect a MAJORITY of our people to be able to work towards progress. We should focus on uniting the righteous and most intelligent to march forward. But to be honest, I'm bouncing back and forth between wondering if it's that White folks are smarter or if Black folks are just SO DIVIDED among ourselves that the intelligence doesn't even have a chance to flourish and see itself through. Kind of like people who are very smart but so impulsive and can't stay out of trouble. What good is 10 Black geninuses if they all hate and are so jealous of eachother that they use their genius to destroy EACHOTHER? The continental Africans have influenced me on this one..... I've met so many smart Africans over the years who were just as smart if not smarter than the Europeans I met from Europe living in the U.S. as well as the Europeans I met in Europe. Africans were smarter than them too. Yet Europe was wealthier and more stable. It's not like it's a continent full of retarded people wearing diapers. Millions of well educate Black men and women who for some reason can't get along with eachother and stop fighting. Nigerians smart as whips....yet using their intelligence to run phone card and internet schemes and scams instead of engineering technology that could easily rival China. White folks colonized the country for 80 years and not ONE attempted coup to throw the French or Dutch or English out.....but EVERY YEAR a new group of niggaz with suspenders made of bullets and big greasy muscles in their arms are running up to the king's palace trying to overthrow him and declare THEMSELVES the new president. "We are coming to restore democracy! We are here! Here we are!" One Black man can't stand to see another Black man with more money, women, and respect.....damn. Like that Biggie Smalls song, as soon as they see your picture they wanna grab their gats and come get ya....lol Africa is too divided among ethnic groups with THOUSANDS of separate languages and ethnic groups.....I'm inclined to believe this massive division is the REAL problem.

Troy What are you surprised about???? I suspect a lot of Black Americans like a lot of Americans period would rather go to France not just because of the racist images of Africa they've been fed since childhood generation after generation but because of STRUCTURAL obstacles that make it easier to go to Europe too! 1. Most major American cities offer DIRECT flights to Western European nations like France, Germany, and England. Often times, going to Africa you have to go to Europe or the Middle East first THEN to Africa. 2. When I went to Europe you didn't need any vaccines to go. Just a passport, pay your fare, and fly there. To go to Africa most of the time you need to vaccines and take tests and get interrogated as to why you're going, etc...