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ProfD A woman in the 20-30 year old range has totally different options and expectations than her mother and grandmother. True. However if a 25 year old woman's options and expectations from men are different than her mother's and grandmother's when THEY were 25....then that says that perhaps the CONDITIONS in society may have changed. If her mother and grandmother didn't find White men sexually attractive and almost never considered wanting to have sex with one, but SHE grows up CRAVING a pink penis and overwhelmingly chooses White lovers.....something is going on. I don't think so. No amount of Hip-Hop music and culture has given white dudes a pass to Black women. That hasn't been my observation at all. I've seen White men attract Black AND White girls by "acting" like a stereotypical urban AfroAmerican man. I'm talking about walking around with a swag, a doo-rag on, and playing Hiphop music. When I see this, it tells me that these women like the STYLE of Black men...even if they don't like the Black men who produced it. Danielle Coulanges I'm late to this topic, but I'm going to add my two cents in anyway. Don't worry, you're right on time...lol. Most people wish for a partner who would be there for them and treat them right. A lot of Black women would prefer a partner who can identify with Black culture, but as one of you mentioned, available Black men have "their pick of the litter." Well I certainly didn't mention it, because I don't believe it's true. I've said over and over again that there are PLENTY of "available" Black men out there. Black men who are heterosexual, with jobs, and who are relatively healthy both mentally and physically. MILLIONS of them...of different ages and income brackets. They are just being looked over or ignored statistically. We can be in a shopping mall FULL of handsome Black men with nice clothes and good jobs walking around either by themselves or in groups and the narrative of "not enough Black men" will still be pushed. So what's a sistah to do? Whatever she wants to....lol. Which has been the case for some time. What you are seeing in a proliferation of white males/black females relationships is Black women getting bolder at making the choice to seek a partner, outside of race, wherever one is attainable. True. Many Black women HAVE become bolder in publicly announcing how attracted they are to White men and how much they desire a sexual relationship with one. ...in a way I haven't seen any OTHER race of women do to Black men. I know how much White women find Black men sexually attractive, yet I don't see them all over the internet boldly begging them for some Black vitamin-D or dissing White men while praising our virtues as Black men. I definitely don't see Asian and Latina women doing it for ANY other race of men besides their own, even if they DO secretly desire White men more. To broaden one's sexual options is fair. To be open to interracial dating and sexual relationships is fair. But to publicly broadcast how much you love the men of another race and beg them for a sexual relationship AND openly demonize and castigate the men of your own race....is pathological.

ProfD When that pretty face gets plump or wrinkled and that banging body looks like an upside down pear, standards do change. Well at THAT time...which was over 30 years ago...her face was ALREADY plump and round, lol. She was fat, but voluptuous though. Around her early 20s. If unmarried in her 40s and 50s, I doubt she'll be still holding on to those same beliefs. She'll be throwing that snatch box at any dude who's willing to feed her. Perhaps, but most Latina women I know tend to get very "religious" after 40 or 50 years of age. Especially the unmarried or widowed ones.

And different ethnic groups too. I knew one Latina girl who told me she didn't date Black men because they WEREN'T jealous or possessive enough! She told me she had one Black boyfriend who acted like he didn't care when other men hit on her, and she found it a major turn off. She said she was used to men being angry or possessive like how many Latino men act if you push up on their women. She said it made her feel like he didn't care about or value her enough to try to "keep" her.

Mel 🙄 -"We'll leave" my ass...lol. I'm not going and YOU'RE not either. ...FBA's (Foundational Black Americans) don't flee. We aren't' running off and fleeing to go shelter ANYWHERE else. We've been on this land for over 400 years. This is OUR nation. We're going to stay RIGHT HERE and deal with these Nazi bastids at every level from the Whitehouse to the streets. Let THEM flee for a change. Like mama used to say, you better take your ass back down there and FIGHT. ...talking about running off somewhere, lol. Just like we got over George W. Bush and his regime, the nation will eventually get over this one...in time. But meanwhile, WE as AfroAmericans need to get OUR act together and prepare ourselves for more political and economic power and stop relying on EITHER party to have our best interests in mind. Like a career criminal in detention. Sometimes punishment and time gives you a chance to sit down and THINK, where you went wrong so you can change course. There IS no Democracy in the United States. Nor has it ever been. It's a nation supposedly ruled by "elected" Oligarchs. You don't really want a Democracy anyway. In a TRUE Democracy, minorities would have little or no power except for what the majority grants them.

This wasn't a case of hindsight because they had YEARS to plan for Trump. They KNEW the man was running and they KNEW he was a formidable candidate, so what the hell did they expect? Did they expect that with all of his criminal trials that he would have gotten locked up by now? When it became apparent that the man wasn't going anywhere and would be the Republican contender which was about a YEAR or so before the actual election, they should have already had an IDEAL candidate groomed and ready to push out front.

Not sure about California or D.C. but in the Detroit area (the city as well as in the suburbs) the vast vast majority of Black women didn't fuck with White men...sexually. As I said, if there WAS sexual interaction it was usually FINACIAL in nature. 1. For a job or to keep a job. 2. Prostitution 3. To get out of a ticket Again, there were a few exceptions...but for the most part I heard Black girls and Black women EXPLICITY say that they didn't find White boys/men attractive and that they didn't make them "wet". I've heard this more times than I remember at the moment. I've even heard some of them say that they thought White men were "cute" or "pretty" in a feminine sort of way but not in a manly masculine sort of way. Again, this is what I heard back in the 80s and 90s. Not sure what changed between then and now. I suspect INTEGRATION may have changed things when more White men started hanging around Black men learning OUR ways of dress, action, and speech and it probably made them more appealing.

Troy Now men talking amongst men is a different story. Most Black men I talk to seem to be indifferent about it and haven't noticed it UNTIL I point it out. A few think it's weird that I'd even focus on it. But about 1/5 of the Black men I talk to actually agree with me and don't like seeing sistaz with other races but feel there's not much they can do about it so they don't worry about it. ProfD Many non-westeners laugh at our concept of love when it comes to relationships. Especially in cultures where marriages are arranged, they believe folks can grow to love each other over time This is VERY true. I've talked to so many people from other countries who experience just that. Most of their marriages are arranged since childhood so they don't go around "looking" for love or "looking" for an ideal husband or wife. The boys and girls are taught what is expected of them as they grow up and when they are married they pretty much carry out their duties. I'm not sure what to make of that entire method...lol.

ProfD As a Black man 1st and AfroAmerican, I don't believe the US should be more involved to the point of meddling in African affairs. As a Black man also, I don't believe ANY nation outside of Africa should be meddling in African affairs. I'm not going to just pick on the U.S. when China, Russia, and the Arab countries are just as guilty and have been trying to get a stronger and stronger foothold in Africa for decades if not centuries. However as a Black man IN America who is also a Pan-Africanist and well read global affairs as well as African history, I would rather a nation with SOME Black influence like the U.S. have a stronger presence in Africa than for a nation like Russia or China with almost NO Black people...let alone successful Black people who care about Africa...to increase their hold. It's best to be OFF the plantation, but since you have to choose one.....which "massa" is going to whip you less and put more butter on your biscuits?

ProfD For several reasons, the Democratic party chose not to go that route. Instead they played the poker hand dealt and came up short on the river That's my point, they played the hand DEALT to them instead of doing the dealing THEMSELVES or better yet choosing the time, place, and the GAME ITSELF. They choose Harris because she was next in line. A logical linear choice, but not a STRATEGIC one! Really it was one of emotion. Choosing Biden OR Harris is a choice of EMOTION. The DNC didn't want to hurt their feelings by telling the both of them that NEITHER was qualified to destroy the Trump MAGA Movement and they'd have to groom and pick someone with a much better chance of doing so for 2024. So they just went with Biden, then Harris.

For some, the fear of isolation and public humiliation is much stronger than the courage and desire to stand on your principles. Where some see disadvantage however....others see opportunity.

ProfD Hopefully they don't walk away thinking you're some crazy old dude yelling at clouds Would you believe that many of them smile (a genuine smile...not a "this nigga must be a little touched let me hurry UP and get the fuck away from him" smile..lol) and actually come back for MORE conversation and perspective or to tell me that I was RIGHT about something. They also say that they almost never hear other Black man say they are bothered by this. I'm usually the first and some women even say I'm the ONLY Black man who ever said this. Both African AND Black American women tell me this, by the way. They are used to Black men being jealous of EACHOTHER but they rarely hear a Black man speak about not wanting Black women with White or Arab men. Honestly, when I look in their eyes I truly think many of them are honored that a Black man actually cares so much about them that he's actually jealous. Believe it or not, some women actually see jealousy and possessiveness as an attractive and masculine trait..as long as it's not taken too far.

ProfD Times change especially as people grow up in different environments. Black people who grow up in mixed environments are exposed to non-Black people. True. But during the 2 years I went to a mixed (actually predominately white) Middle school, I didn't see ANY of the Black or Mixed girls with White boys. Nor did I see or hear of them being attracted to any of them. You're not lying based on VGQ. LOL I do not recall it from the same perspective because I grew up in a chocolate city that had very few non-Black fokks in it. OK. But you didn't get a chance to visit the suburbs from time to time as a child? If so, you mean to tell me that as a kid and teenager and young adult that you ONLY focused on what the Black folks were doing and didn't pay much attention to what the non-Black people were up to? Again, if there was any change at all, it would be 1) environment, 2) maturity level and 3) expectations. Sounds like you're suggesting that there WASN'T much of a change in the sexual relationship between White men and Black women. Atleast from your perspective.

Yes. I'm glad that so many Africans are so politically astute; however they should be careful. Too many of them assume the right-wing Republicans actually MEAN what they say when they talk about restoring morality and family traditions....not knowing that this is mere rhetoric to get votes. When Africans believe there will be less meddling in African affairs under Trump, either way I don't think that will be as good of a thing as they expect. 1. First of all I think it's largely a FALSE belief because as I said earlier....neither Trump nor Kamala actually makes those type of foreign policy decisions. 2. As an AfroAmerican, I actually would like to see America be MORE involved in African affairs than China, Russia, or the Arabs.

Where is OUR (AfroAmerica's) Charismatic equivilant? I'm convinced that over 90% of Black MAGA supporters are only with him because of a lack of a powerful Charismatic pro-Black figure on OUR side who can match him in terms of drawing and electrifying the people. Infact..... I'd go as far as to say about 25% of the WHITE MAGA supporters would actually get behind and support a Black...I'm talking PRO-BLACK!!!!....Charismatic figure! You probably don't believe that, do you....lol.?

ProfD Even if we cannot decide what's right and wrong the law will be a tie-breaker. I was actually going to mention this further down the line but you got ahead of me, lol. We can talk religion and morality all we want, but for MOST people of all races, religions, and ethnicities...the LAW seems to be the final arbiter of what is "good" or "bad" because they have the power to impose IMMEDIATE consequences for breaking the rules. Your religion can talk religious rules all day long, but if you break a rule...other than ex-communicating you...what can they legally do to you? Will their be Divine punishment? But if you commit a LEGAL crime like robbery, you can expect for the police to IMMEDIATELY come looking for you. So if we want to restore a sense of moral and ethical unity among our people, we have to look at the laws on the books and seek to change them to our benefit and liking.

Say what? 'said you don't believe in Conspiracy Theories? Well.....'yo bad, lol. Because many if not most Americans of ALL races and most socio-economic backgrounds DO. That's another reason Trump won. From vaccine conspiracies to cell phone tower conspiracies, most Americans believe something or someone(s) are orchestrating and benefiting from most of the problems this nation faces. Republicans entertain their fears and concerns, while Democrats tend to ridicule them and their answer to every question is to just shut up and "trust science" and not question anything. Most adults don't like being lied to OR lectured to, especially by people who they don't feel has their best interests in mind. Like Troy said in another thread, the Republican party is increasingly becoming seen as the party of the working class masses. Not because they truly have the best interests of the working classes, but they know how to pander to their beliefs and fears. If Democrats and Progressives have the answers to the problems of the American people, then they need to start producing them and solving them in a CRYSTAL CLEAR way that the masses can plainly see and understand.

I know a LOT of Africans who support Trump! They've told me this. And I thought it was because he was Republican and they support the Republican's more Conservative and Traditional platform. What I didn't realize was that many Africans are for mass deportation of illegal immigrants! Which makes sense, because most of them had to come here the RIGHT way. They couldn't just sneak across the border like many Latino immigrants do. Many many Africans from different parts of the Continent that I know say they definitely don't like the LGBT and Abortion platform of the Democrats. I was surprised at how much they knew about the differences in the parties...lol. Many of them can barely speak English, but they know the differences in political parties. As far as Trump meddling in African affairs........ I don't think that's Trump's call. I think BOTH the foreign and domestic agendas of the United States are set by the powers who control the nation. It doesn't matter who sits in the Oval Office...it's set.

I wouldn't say Integration was the "beginning" of our sub-division, but it definitely accelerated it. As much as I admire the Nation of Islam and the great works that it did and still does.....IT...like the Moorish Science Temple and other socio-religious movements of the 20th century played a huge role in fragmenting Black America. Before these groups introduced new religions, new moral codes, and new ways of looking at White people and history....the vast majority of Black America was pretty much a monolith in terms of religion and morality. Nearly all Black Americans believed in Jesus and were Bible believing Christians. The only real division...and it was real...was based on skin color and dark vs light. The various organizations that pulled Black Americans way from traditional Christianity and the church taught Black people how to think in different ways, however it also fragmented the moral and ethical pattern of collective Black American thought leading to more division. Today, many if not most Black Americans can't AGREE on what's "right" or what's "wrong".

Troy Dude, I never said that. Why does nuance always escape you? She lost for both reasons and more. That statement wasn't directed at you, but for ProfD your constant casting of young black men as weed smoking lazy ne’er-do-wells is straight from the MAGA handbook Actually, it's the opposite. Most MAGA supporters publicly IGNORE the Black population...including young Black men...and rarely speak about them or their issues. And when they DO speak to them or about them, it's in a pandering or flattering sort of way designed to convince them that the Democrats and Liberals are their "real enemies" and that they should abandon the Democrat party and support Trump. Now when they are talking to EACHOTHER in PRIVATE...young Black men are often demonized as everything from natural born criminals to sub-humans. But they're sure not to discuss these things in public. It is a pointless exercise as she wasn’t in position to be the presidential candidate. It is simply a pipe dream. I continue to bring it up because it was a mistake that should have never been made.

That's obvious. The question is....WHY? And WHY NOW? We're close to the same age, so you remember the 80s and 90s like I do. Now based on what I remember.......... Most Black American women and even many if not most White women didn't even find White men that attractive back in those decades. Most Black American women wanted Black men, barely looked at White men for sexual purposes...and a good half of White women felt the same way. It was clearly understood...in the United States atleast...that from a SEXUAL point of view, Black men collectively were clearly the most attractive. You didn't hear about Black "incels" and many White men were engaging in perversion and even committing suicide out of loneliness and lack of ability to attract women and "get laid" as they say, lol. Now ofcourse there were exceptions to this on both sides, but this is what I recall society was like back in the 80s and 90s. Before we go any further....am I lying or making this up do you remember this being the case also? And if this WAS the case, my question is WHAT CHANGED about White men OR Black women that all of a sudden they became more "attractive"?

ProfD Mandatory vaccines seem to have been relaxed already. I've noticed. You don't hear any more talk about mandatory Covid vaccines for jobs or school. Troy Really? Do you really want to see a return of measles, small pox, whooping cough, polio, another COVID pandemic? Ofcourse not. However it seems to me that actually focusing on a CURE for these diseases would be a better use of time, money, and energy...rather than mandating vaccines for them. Anti-vaxxers are an interesting bunch. Ofcourse. We don't like simply following the rest of the herd like a bunch of ignorant sheep. We also like actually doing research and WEIGHING different options and opinions on an issue. Once upon a time...thinking for yourself USED TO BE admired.

My question is why aren't the "Aliens" or UFO's THEMSELVES making Their presence known to the public in a massive way? With all of this technology and knowledge, They could easily present Themselves before the entire planet or atleast an entire region and introduce Themselves, stating clearly Who They are and what Their mission is. Surely, They don't need to "go through" Congress or some UFO study organization to get Their message out.

But circus' are usually sold out. People come to see the circus because they want to be entertained. Most Movements are founded and/or maintained around a central Charismatic figure. Like Malcolm or Martin or Gloria Steinem or Ceasar Chavez. The MAGA Movement is organized around Trump and his charismatic persona. His charisma is what made his television programs so popular. Remove Trump and insert Kamala Harris or Mike Pence into the same positions and those "reality" shows would have been a flop.

ProfD So, we're not going to believe she met and fell in love with the man behind Star Wars and Indiana Jones Perhaps you're joking, but it IS possible. Many women fall in love with older men. Too many Black women fall in love with White men because of their SEEMINGLY "mild" and "agreeable" demeanor. Whatever the reason is, I would rather her be in the arms of a wealthy Black man...not him. She doesn't have to worry about him pressing for s8x. ...maybe not with HIM. But you know how those Hollywood freaks get down...lol. richardmurray She just clicked with lucas, who to be honest is a divorcee so i think they had a personal clicking I'll be honest with you....I simply don't like it. I don't care if it's genuine love. I don't like seeing intelligent, attractive, successful Black women in the arms of White men. Would I stop it if I could? No. It's SHOULD be a personal choice. ...but I don't have to "like" it, and I don't. I actually tell Black women this in real life and many are visibly shocked to hear me say this, lol.