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Dan You are completely white washing and diminishing the history of Africa. No Daniel, what I'm attempting to do is FOCUS YOU on one point or subject at a time instead of creating strawmen to argue against or being all over the map with subjects that are totally irrelevant to the discussion itself. "You're totally ignoring the fact that Africa is not a country but a continent that is almost entirely surrounded by salt water! See, that's your problem!" It comes from using 1492 as ground zero. You completely give power to people to create which was already in existence. What and who are you talking about? What are you referring to that "already existed" that WASN'T created by people? The wise examine the terrain to see what can be used in their favor. Black people don’t suffer from stupid or an illusionary white supremacy. The Black Count’s preface gives an account that could be describing today. Again..... More random unrelated "all over the map" statements that not only DO NOT support your arguments but pretty much has NOTHING to do with the discussion. Nothing to support YOUR argument. Nothing to counter mine. Just random useless information tossed out to fill in the gap. Like I said, a discussion with you is like a discussion with a gopher..... You pop up in one hole and make a statement....I respond to it......you disappear.....then pop up in another hole making a totally unrelated statement....I disprove that.....then you duck...dodge.....disappear.....then pop back up in the first hole making a statement that CONTRADICT the first statement you made.

.....and? Nigeria, The Gold Coast, The Gambia, and South Africa WERE created by the White Supremacists. These nations were created by the White Supremacist and their artificial borders were drawn to enclose several opposing ethnic groups who didn't get along with eachother. The colonizers did this DELIBERATELY to make sure they would continue to fight eachother and keep up conflict so that they could easily control them and steal the resources of the land.

This is a recent example of Black Stupidity in action: This is an example of the STUPIDITY of too many of our people. 1. What good is a "march to the polls"??? What were these people trying to accomplish? How effective has that tactic EVER been and what is the purpose of it that Negroes KEEP DOING IT.....besides wearing out your shoes and making a lot of noise getting on people's nerves. 2. Why would you go out in the streets making a lot of noise and drawing attention to yourself in today's climate when White Supremacists are shooting and killing Black folks left and right? White Supremacists in law enforcement have a well documented history of targeting and beating AfroAmericans who were marching around and protesting in the street...and as a so-called pastor you decide to lead your "flock" out into the middle of danger and get them pepper sprayed, beaten, and thrown in jail! For what? Not only is this pastor's behavior STUPID but the behavior of those following him are even dumber. 3. Then this pastor.....DUMBwright or Drumwright..... makes a dumb ass statement of: "We did nothing to warrant the response".....as if being Black wasn't enough for a racist to target and abuse you. "We didn't do nuthin' wrong! Why dey do us like dat???" How STUPID can you be to constantly be VICTIMIZED by racism and STILL not understand it or why it happened? 40 years old and can't figure out why White police officers would beat the hell out of group Black folks marching in the street! 40 years old and call yourself a "man" but didn't anticipate something like this would happen! Sheer STUPIDITY. Intelligent people wouldn't behave in that fashion and they CERTAINLY wouldn't keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Dan You are denying African Nation States. Also there is no African race. You are trying to justify a faulty premise. No, YOU just didn't pay close enough attention and ignored half of my post. I named 2 of them when I said: "Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality." For reasons why you may have missed this, see my thread on Black Intelligence: Black Intelligence VS Black Stupidity ....lol. Besides, the only one trying to justify a "faulty premise" is YOU when you try to legitimize these so-called "nation states" that were recently created by the White Supremacists. Africa already had nations before the colonists, but those nation/states you speak of are ARTIFICIAL. Their borders were deliberately MADE UP and drawn in order to further divide the people and keep them in a constant state of conflict and warfare. Your whole philosophy is based on reactions to perceived behavior of the Other. The well documented history of the White Supremacists and the fact that they conquered and carved up the continent of Africa is more than just a "perception". Troy He has a point there Yeah, most men do. Only difference is their points tend to be more developed after puberty....lol.

My bad..... For some reason the name "Thumper" sounds like it would be a woman. Probably because it reminds me of the deer in Bambi rather than the "thumping" that goes on in the hood.

Daniel African is the equivalent of calling someone Asian or European. That's true TRADITIONALLY. However Neely Fuller Jr. says that sometimes we need to give words OUR OWN definitions for accuracy. Therefore Africa has 2 definitions: 1. A person who comes from the continent of Africa or 2. A person of the so-called "Black" race. You need to review the argument on labeling. Igbo culture is Igbo. Ewe culture is Ewe, German culture is German. In America we are finding our believed National identity was an illusion. There is no contradiction. You just need to understand the difference between RACE, ETHNICITY, and NATIONALITY. African = Race Igbo and Ewe = Ethnicity German and American = Nationality. Germans and Americans can be of ANY race and often are. Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality. Africans can be of ANY nationality depending on which nation we were born in.

For me it's about ACCURACY. Neely Fuller Jr. teaches that the main tool of White Supremacy is CONFUSION. When you confuse people about who and what they are you cause division among them and make them easier to control. Calling us "Black" and "Negro" (which is basically the same thing in different languages) adds to the CONFUSION because technically speaking we are not "Black" in color but various shades of brown. This is one of the reasons so many of our people object to the term "Black" and choose to call themselves by other names and terms. I use the term "African" and "AfroAmerican" because they are far more ACCURATE and lead to less CONFUSION as to what they mean.

Daniel You confirmed my statement. There is not “A” Black Culture. Technically speaking....... If there are MULTIPLE Black cultures, then there actually IS "a" Black culture. It's just not the only one. Most African cultures weren’t based on color. That may be true, however they don't need to be BASED on Black skin color in order to be considered "Black culture" any more than Hiphop has to be performed by Black artists only in order for it to still be considered a Black form of music.

Daniel Thus says the Lord, “Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him” What kind of "Lord" do you believe in Who calls His own children "fools"??? If your "Lord" recognizes a man as a fool, why doesn't He help that man and give him wisdom like Solomon?

Ann B. You appear to be a genuinely sweet person, but if you're rewarding my posts AND Daniel's, that's offensive....lol. That's like a woman saying: "You're so handsome!" Then she looks down at a GREMLIN and says to him: "Oh, and you're so handsome too!" Somehow the compliment doesn't feel quite as good as it did before...lol. Daniel However I believe that there is no such thing as a Black culture. I believe Blacks are living out different cultural experiences based on their associations. It seems to me that you're CONFLATING "Black culture" with "AfroAmerican culture". There are plenty of Black cultures around the world, literally HUNDREDS. Your words seem to reflect the reality of many AfroAmericans as opposed to Black people worldwide. This is why I asked Ann to be more specific. A lot of our people end up offending OTHER Africans around the planet by totally ignoring their contributions to culture and world history by pretending their cultures are totally irrelevant or don't even exist.

What's the argument? I'm not saying one way or the other because I'm not sure.

Dan What do you think Master Farad Muhammed was. Good question. I won't speak on that.

Dan Secondly anyone who has a connection to the Black Christian Church knows that Jeremiah is known as the Weeping Prophet. That knowledge isn’t limited solely to Black Christians. Like most AfroAmericans, I was partially raised in the "Black Church" both Methodist and Baptist and don't recall hearing the term that Jeremiah was a "weeping prophet". As I said to @Delanoyou can’t apply logic to dealing with God. Your arguments may seem to make sense but they don’t point to the Truth. Why not? The fact that there is The SUPREME BEING is a very logical concept. It's some of the things ATTRIBUTED to The SUPREME BEING that people may have a hard time seeing as logical.

After decades and decades of experiencing and observing this society, I've come to the conclusion that AfroAmericans have 2 major problems that we MUST overcome and try to solve: 1. White Supremacy 2. Black stupidity I focus a lot of my time talking about White Supremacy, but not AS much discussing Black stupidity. First, what IS "stupidity"? Being stupid is more than just lacking education or knowledge. That's simply being IGNORANT and it can be corrected by being provided with proper information if your intelligence is NORMAL. Stupidity is LOW INTELLIGENCE.....meaning you have a low ABILITY TO EVEN LEARN. Even when information is presented to you, you have a hard time processing and remembering it and you do it much too slowly. You have to constantly be told the same things over and over and over and over again and you STILL don't fully grasp or understand what you're being told and will screw it up unless you are directly followed up on. On the scale of intelligence.....a stupid person is a person who is between NORMAL and RETARDED. They aren't intellectually disabled enough to require institutionalization and constant care, but they aren't intelligent enough to function PROPERLY in the average society. They usually keep getting in trouble and running into problems and their loved ones have to constantly help them out. They have problems not only learning in school but also in society in general because their brains don't allow them to process information properly and understand it. Now, you have stupid people in ALL races but my concern and the focus of this thread is specifically the stupid people of the Black race and more specifically the stupidity of AfroAmericans. Why are stupid AfroAmericans a problem? In a nutshell, it's because they tend to be the SOURCE of most of the problems that our community has to grapple with and their stupid behavior also provide a convenient EXCUSE for racist Caucasians to come in and mistreat our people collectively. White people often take advantage of stupid Black people and use them AGAINST the rest of our community. "I don't understand.... Why dey have to shoot my cousin so many times like dat? I mean, yeah he was trying to GET HIS LIFE TOGETHER and had SOME PROBLEMS...but dey didn't have to do him like dat! " Stupid people learn very slowly and in many cases don't learn AT ALL regardless as to how many times they face the same problems over and over again. They just don't "undertand". And it is for THAT reason that I think INTELLIGENT Black people...especially intelligent AfroAmericans must learn how to unite and form communities for themselves in order to be successful and progress in this society. This site is a site full of authors. Most authors are intelligent and have creative imaginations. This is a great place for you to meet with and network with other like minded INTELLIGENT AfroAmericans and take advantage of that opportunity by thinking BEYOND simply using your talents to write romance novels but to come up with creative ways to improve your community as a whole!

Israel = Jacob = Yacub According to Genesis, he wrestled with "God". Now if a man is wrestling with "God", then that means he's in OPPOSITION to God. And if he is in opposition to God, then what force is behind him other than Evil?

ABS Thank you for all of the great work you have done and are doing in the community Queen! And to answer your question, YES....AfroAmerican culture is shifting. Or to be more specific being MANIPULATED into a particular direction. But this is nothing new. Since our people didn't control the culture to begin with, we don't control the direction it moves in. It is primarily controled by the White Supremacists. Where are the solutions and why aren't we ready to solve these problems In order to SOLVE a problem, you must first acknowledge that you actually HAVE one. Most AfroAmericans have been in an oppressed and destitute condition for so long that they no longer recognize it as an actual "problem". They think their life and way of living is normal. Like Gibran says, many of our people have been INSTITUTIONALIZED to the point that prison and powerlessness feels normal to them. What can or are you doing in your community to sound the alarms? Like yourself and many others I've been preaching to my people for years about leaving the drugs alone, making peace with eachother, and trying to build our community and protect ourselves from White Supremacy. And before us there have been others. Sis....the alarms have been sounded. But what good is a fire alarm for a "dead man"? If loud bangs, people screaming in the hallways, and big choking clouds of smoke isn't enough to wake a man up in his room and alert him to the raging fire approaching.....the alarm going off probably won't either. That man is dead or so far gone that he's near it. We (me, you, and others) can not afford to put our safety in jeopardy standing in the halls of destruction waiting on criminals and drug addicts to wake up and sober up and run for safety. It is time for us to flee from the coming destruction and LET IT HAPPEN. I believe that the Divine Punishment is getting ready to descend upon the United States in order to cleanse it. At THIS point.....our job is to GET OUT OF THE WAY and let it come. Our job is to Pray and Hope that we survive and make it through to the other side to help build a NEW society. They say it's going to be a "dark winter".

"Your behaviors are consistent with my perception of who I believe you are. Therefore you are intelligent enough to know exactly what I am implying in my post (because it amused you enough to reply). But to amuse you let me clarify, I am speaking of American population solely. However, wherever we reside in this big ole world, whatever race or culture we identify with, I am certain that these issues run parallel. " Translation: "Don't ACT like you don't know what I'm talking about." ....lol.

There is a difference between: -Jews -Hebrews -Children of Israel Although these groups overlap eachother at times, they are 3 different groups. The Hebrews (Ibru) were indeed African people. Infact they STILL ARE African people and they reside primarily in West Africa now. This is the group/tribe that Musa and his men were from (they were from Kemet but ancient Egypt was made up of different tribes) when they went up to the caves to civilize the savages. The Jews....on the other hand....were and are primarily Caucasians. I say "primarily" because most Jews have SOME African ancestry as Musa's crew mated with some of them while they were up in the caves. Which is why today many of them have dark skin, thick lips, big noses, kinky hair, ect.... But for the most part they are Caucasian. The Children of Israel are just the name the Canaanites gave to the wild and murderous Caucasians who invaded their land. With their pale skin and murderous ways......the Canaanites recognized these strange people as the offspring of Yacub (Jacob/Israel) and named them such. And just like the Canaanites named these Caucasian invaders the Sons of Israel; likewise, the people of ancient Kemet called these Caucasian invaders the "Sons of Set" as they moved further down and invaded Kemet.

Dan Don’t believe the hype. Lisha Mohamed basically promoted the concept that a white man was the prophet who led him to Islam Huh? Who the hell is "Lisha Mohamed"? Lol.....man, where are you getting these strange beliefs from? Trying to have a conversation with Del is like trying to have one with a squirrel...... And trying to have one with YOU is like trying to have a conversation with a gopher: Pioneer: You know, Elijah Muhammad taught Malcolm X "No he didn't....a White man taught Malcolm" Pioneer: What? Man, where did you hear THAT at? Pioneer: Hello? You still there? "Malcolm X was a Black Conservative Republican!!!" Pioneer: What????? Man, who TOLD you that shit? Pioneer: Huh? "I ain't no mole.... Don't treat me like one!" Just a big ball of nonsense, ducking and dodging and going in circles....lol.

Dan You just lack associating with the Black Christian Church. “the Weeping Prophet “. There really is no "Black Christian Church". It's just the WHITE Christian Church that Black folks were indoctrinated into and trained to maintain....lol. Besides, you talk about Jeremiah weeping but according to the Bible JESUS WEPT. The verse about Jesus crying for his friend Lazarus was one of the shortest verses in the Bible. I'm sure you remember it like most men around our age because it was usually the verse little Black boys were taught as a form of saying grace over food! You have this big ass plate of food sitting infront of you on the table and you want to tear into it, but Big Mamma done TOLD you you better not grab one biscuit or drumstick before saying grace. So you quickly say the shortest form of grace you know: "Jesus wept!" And then went ahead snatching at the food, lol.

Dan so why do you think that tune meeting Elijah Mohammed will move them closer to that philosophy Because Elijah Muhammad probably exposed him to secret teachings and histories that he wasn't taught in the traditional academic schools or even Seminary School; like the origin of Christianity, the origin of the Caucasian race, and the origins of the Bible. Most Christian preachers at that time....or this time....weren't taught this and STILL don't know it. But there are some who manage to find out on their own by being told (like MLK was) or through intense study. Then they have a number of options: 1. Either continue teaching Black people lies. 2. Figure out how to remain a preacher but slowly reveal the truth to the people 3. Leave the church all together in disgust and find a new belief system MLK chose the 2nd option. Martin....being a SINCERE man.....probably (because I don't know I wasn't there) recognized the truth and accepted it and then used his genius to formulate a NEW philosophy of political and social activism that put less stress on integration and more stress on AfroAmerican independence.

Dan King needs to interpreted through the lens of Christian Theology and Western Philosophy and History. It wasn't Christian Theology that convinced MLK that he was making a mistake by trying to integrate his people with the seed of Satan, it was his meeting with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. 1966 If you follow Dr. King's work..... All of his speeches AFTER that meeting were of a different tone than before it.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, lol. Besides being a name, please explain to me exactly what a "Jeremiah" is.

Delano I KNOW what "de nada" means. I was asking WHY you said it?

Del For variety try talking to the tree. I'm concerned that the tree MIGHT start talking back to me. Once you open THAT door, it may be kinda hard to close....lol. Jeffrey Ok, the little picture of the squirrel got me! hahahaha Lol, that was the purpose of it. I knew SOMEONE would find it entertaining! What I see in not an individual making a choice, but rather, his logic having been shaped by generational experiences telling him not to screw up his current fortunes. When we look even deeper what we'll see are people with no MORALS because they have no CULTURE. In other words....... When you don't a culture that teaches you specifically that it's WRONG (morals) to rap about killing, selling dope, using dope, and mistreating women and then punishes you for it when or if you do.....then you have little problem doing it for money! If we had an actual CULTURE that not only taught that the behavior of most of these rappers like Lil Wayne and 50 Cent are engaging in is CLEARLY WRONG and will get them punished...then no amount of money would be able to tempt them because their conscience wouldn't allow them to sell violence and poision in their music or choose Trump to save a few dollars in taxes. People with no culture or morals will sell out their own MOTHERS if it means stuffing a few extra dollars in their pockets. Why not? What would be the consequences of it to a people who don't have any rules or standards? Daniel I am very optimistic because more Blacks than ever are going to continue walking forward with the rest of society. Some Blacks are "walking forward" with the rest of society alright.............. Martin Luther King's concern that he was integrating his people into a BURNING HOUSE comes to mind.