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ProfD Yeah. I just got through reading an article about the sad ending to the brief Earthly life of Frankie Lymon. He apparently overdosed with Heroin back in the 60s. @Troy and @richardmurray Well.... That was a good Black film.....I'm ready for another one!

richardmurray The connection to the USA of or the value to the USA from the Black populace in it, or the condition of the black community in the usa in parallel to other black communities for many black people are not related to the emancipation of black people from whites. You don't think so? It seems to me that the more liberty AfroAmericans get..the stronger this nation gets. After the Civil War the U.S. emerged on the scene as a world super power, and after the Civil Rights movements of the 60s the U.S. emerged as THEE world super power! Most black leaders are negative. But that happens. The problem is the association, for you positive leadership = leadership but it doesn't. And it connects to my point about individualism. Under individualism, one is only responsible to lead thyself, not lead others, which is a key point. Under individualism, those who are negative leaders from a communal view, are 100% acceptible ro positive, under indivdiualism Leadership skills are like energy, it can be used for good or bad. If most of the leaders of a given community are bad, then it's up to the GOOD leaders to step up and counter them instead of allowing things to spiral downwardly.

richardmurray I'm not sure I'd put Clarence Thomas and Oprah Winfrey in the same category. Oprah is EXTREMELY wealthy....much wealthier than Thomas. Thomas is just comfortable with a lot of perks, but he doesn't come close to having the wealth Oprah has. Also, although Clarence is a bonafide text book definition of a Sell Out.....I think Oprah is a self made woman who got a lot of support from people of ALL races. She got rich tapping into the emotions of women of all races....the majority of whom just happen to be White. But she's done a lot to help Black people as individuals around this nation and even outside of it through charities, drives, paying for scholarships, etc....

frankster Yes....But they can't or don't just sell this poison to any and everybody in the community. SOME don't...but some do and don't care. You've heard the old saying, "There's no honor among thieves". There's a lot of truth to it. There's no real "code" among dope dealers and the street element except survival and staying alive and out of jail at all costs. There are dudes out there who sell dope to their own mothers. And the reason is simple....it's an underground industry so there is no real way to enforce any type of code or law that everybody has to follow. The man who breaks the code can kill his punishers just as easily as they could try to kill him. Not Important but Respected. True richardmurray Some black people today in harlem own buildings, have their busineses or other because of black streetfolk. I wonder to what extent? Ofcourse you got your Bumpy Johnsons through out the historically Black ghettos of the U.S. I'm sure that of ALL the dope dealers, pimps, prostitutes, and numbers runners in Harlem....SOME of them set family members to school or helped them go in business. The question is what percentage of Black success in Harlem or any other Black community in the U.S. is actually owed to the generosity of the Hustlers and Gangsters? My guess is the percentage isn't very high. Most of the money and wealth a Hustler or Gangster makes is either recycled back into the streets or goes to the government either in legal fees or confiscation. Little of it is passed down or even invested -especially with the money laundering laws enacted since the 50s. ProfD My *issue* with Black folks is the lack of being code in terms of building an infrastructure and bridge to uplift our own people and dismantle the system of racism white supremacy. Well, remember I told you you can't get on code with a damn FOOL. He ain't got sense enough to even acknowledge a code, let alone adhere to it. You might as well catch a rat and try to teach it ballet. The sell out usually doesn't believe that system CAN be dismantled...anytime soon atleast. So they feel their best option is to join the "winning" team as best they can. The Gangster and Hustler doesn't care. They are only concerned about themselves, their crew, and how much money is in their pockets. They'll be pro-Black when it's convenient and be down to help the White folks when THAT pays more. Like that dreadlocked nigga on Queen and Slim who sold the Black couple out for some money and at the end of the movie sat there in a pile of cash smoking it up in weed. That's not too far from the truth.

In a way I think BOTH the Sell Out and Gangster chose their life based on what they probably considered the "hopelessness" they saw in their communities. The Sell Out saw the poverty, crime, hopelessness and dividion among AfroAmericans and asked themselves what's the use in being loyal to these people when you get nothing in return because they have nothing to offer. So he sells out and TRIES to join White folks. The Gangster saw and said the same thing but instead of getting with the White folks, he decides to EXPLOIT the dysfunction he sees and use it to HIS benefit. The Sell Out could care less about the dysfunction, and the Gangster FUELS it. ProfD Understood. Sellouts/Uncle Toms/Aunt Sarahs make white folks feel comfortable maintaining the system of racism white supremacy. This is true. But the thug and gangster make Black folks feel UNcomfortable with their violence and dysfunction. Thugs and gangsters poison and murder Black folks. Many of them go to prison or end up dead too. All of it fuels the system of racism white supremacy. Facts. frankster The Original Uncle Tom is Misunderstood because of the propaganda surrounding his story...Todays uncle Toms are sell outs or worst the bought in(honorable whites) You're correct. I use the term "Uncle Tom" as a hold over from the misunderstood actual story of the original Uncle Tom who actually helped Black people. Although most Black people DO see the term as disparaging, I'll probably stop using the term in a disparaging way anyway see some of us know better and know the truth behind the Uncle Tom character. Black Gangster who I grew up around were good for my community....of course because the broke the law the were considered bad. How were they good for your community? I didn't grow up in the hood but I did have SOME Black gangsters in my community where I grew up who sold dope, pimped, and ran other types of operations. Although they didn't harm me, I didn't see them helping the community at all. Thugs and Sell out are despicable human beings and to me are the lowest scum....good for no one but themselves and the Ones doing the buying(Predominant society) So I take it you put the thugs and sell outs on the same level. Gangster mostly kill others in the game/business. Yes they sell poison....that results in death and destruction - on some level it is the users choice unless you subscribe to the Pusher man theory. True But isn't selling poison to your people literally SELLING out? I grew up among gangster and if you rob any one in the neighborhood without permission...you are going to suffer Lol. It's funny because I remember when I was a kid before the Crack Era....crime wasn't organized, but it was "known". If someone broke into a house or stole a car SOMEBODY of importance on the streets knew who did it and could "handle" it for you. But when Crack came, the instability it brought changed all of that. NWA....what are referring to the Prison Industrial Complex They didn't build it, but they fueled it. They made a lot of young Black boys want to grow up to be "Niggas Fa Life".

What do you mean when you say "know" God? I believe as humans we can RECOGNIZE God, but "know" all about God? No Most humans don't know all about their own Parents....lol. When you ask the source of power for the above mentioned individuals....... Most living beings on this planet are powered by 2 things: 1. Fuel like food and water in the case of humans and animals, or carbon dioxide and sunlight in the case of some plants 2. The Energy source that activates living things often called "spirit" or "chi" or "Ki" or "prana".....which I think you are getting at when you ask the question. There are different names and different understandings for this Energy source but most people agree that it exists. This Energy source should not be confused with the Soul or Consciousness btw.. Even when a person is in a coma and is said to no longer "be here" their body is still alive and operating with this Energy source until they are physically dead.

Troy I've made it clear from the onset that BOTH are bad for the Black community, but that in my opinion the thug is much worse. I've also given the reasons why. As far as Affirmative Action goes, I'll keep it real with you. I don't think THAT decision or any other decision on Affirmative Action....as it has currently been practiced for the past 40 years....will have much of a NEGATIVE impact on the Black community. We know that since the 70s...Affirmative Action has done much more to benefit White women and probably Latinos more than it has benefited AfroAmericans. So to the contrary, I think it will indirectly have a POSITIVE impact on the Black community. For these reasons: 1. It will FORCE Black students to seriously consider going to and supporting more HBCUs.....because their options to go to PWUs have just been curtailed. 2. It will FORCE Black students to study harder and take their education more seriously since they can no longer rely on racial quotas to get into college. 3. Black students IN college will get more respect because they will be recognized as being their because they DESERVE to be there instead of being assumed that they got an extra boost because of their race 4. Black people will be FORCED to open up and maintain their own businesses..especially businesses that participated in Affirmative Action programs like marketing, engineering, computer software tech, etc... Because this ruling will eventually lead to White owned institutions cancelling THEIR race based Affirmative Action programs as well and kicking Black employees out. So Black professionals will be FORCED to "do for self", which they should have been doing decades ago anyway. As painful as it may be initially, it's a part of growing up because it will FORCE our people to be independent and not rely on the generosity or help of White folks. No doubt the Latinos and Asians will TRY to take our places after we leave these universities and corporations...but they will be CRUSHED. Just like welfare made a lot of our people lazy and it took a few generations for us to get off of it and make it happen....affirmative action had the same effect on a lot of professional AfroAmericans AND women of all races. But while a lot of Black women might still be able to take advantage of Affirmative Action, this decision will FORCE Black men to do for self...and it will make us stronger. This is a GOOD decision because our creativity will no longer be limited or diverted by going to school under or working for Caucasians.

One of the difference I've observed between men and women is how who a woman is attracted to can change so easily. With most men, if a woman is attractive to us.....usually physically with a sweet personality....she's ATTRACTIVE. That usually doesn't change. A woman would have to either undergo a physical change OR become so vulgar or heinous in her behavior for her to no longer be attractive to us. Now a woman can do things to piss us off, but as long as it's not TOO bad...we'll either ignore it or stay away from her briefly until she changes her attitude...but we'll STILL find her attractive. Men, am I wrong yet? However what I've OBSERVED.....because I'm not a woman....is different with women. I've observed that a woman can initially find a man attractive....but if he DOES or SAYS something she really doesn't like...she can STOP finding him attractive! Even if his looks or financial status hasn't changed, just the words that came out of his mouth or something he did was enough to turn her off. And vice versa...... I would see dudes who a woman said was ugly, scrub, and couldn't stand him.....but next month was DATING the dude and walking hand in hand smiling at him with her eyes all glossy! I ask her, "What happend?" She'll say he said something to her or he was just there as a shoulder for her to cry on after something happened....NOW she likes him! GTFOH!!!! When I was a kid, I just didn't believe it...lol. I guess because from my MALE point of view...I didn't understand it and how simple things could attract or repel a female. I STILL find it weird today....lol. I STILL don't want to believe that a man can be handsome and rich and a woman is madly in love with him today, but because he let the police talk to him a certain way during a traffic stop by NEXT WEEK she doesn't even find him attractive anymore and is looking at another man....lol. Or that a man can be ugly and stupid working at a car wash but because he said something kind and put in extra effort making a woman's tires shine...now she agrees to go out with him and ends up having his baby next year, lol. I STILL am inclined to say I don't believe it.....but I've seen too many instances of it, NOT to. If I'm wrong or not making any sense.....LET ME KNOW and correct me, lol.

Troy When you don't control anything thing this is what happens. FACTS!!!! Infact, this was a POWERFUL point that actually was in the back of my mind through out last week over some different issues in the real world. It goes right along with the old saying that when you give powerless people some power, many of them will abuse it because they aren't used to having it. I like to debate, but in the real world I don't get to do it very much. In the last few years, I've spent most of my free time with women and none of them like to debate -- at least not with me. They usually take it personally, shut down, or simply avoid the activity. What I've observed with women is that they like to do more "arguing" than debating. In other words, instead of discussing our differences LOGICALLY...they'll come with a lot of EMOTIONALISM and "reading into" my words and behavior rather than dealing with the facts. For example, I got into an argument with a lady I was seeing a few weeks ago because she didn't like how me and her pregnant friend were "talking" to eachother at an event...lol. She was there in our presence for the ENTIRE brief (less than 10 minutes) conversation...but accused me of flirting with her and said that was the "lowest of the low". And then fell out with her friends accusing HER of trying to "seduce" me instead of trying to get back with her baby's father whom I guess they are having some relationship troubles with and separated from eachother. Foolishness on top of foolishness. If I'm not sexually interested in a woman...I'll debate with her all day long for as long as she wants to debate with me. But if I'm interested or want to keep her frienship...I'll be very careful when I disagree with them. Totally besides the subject but another thing about women that I had to learn but often keep forgetting is.... They don't think like men. A beautiful woman is pretty much attractive UNLESS she does something so vulgar or heinous to piss you off that you no longer find her attractive even if she looks good. But with women..... What you say or do can often turn the switch on and off for whether they find you attractive or not. I still find this rather hard to believe, but based on my observations....it seems to be true. Online however, I'm more likely to challenge another's ideas, that I would in person. Lol, because it's usually safer. I think debating racists or dysfunctional Black people is largely a waste of time. These people are incorrigible. Well like I said earlier, when I DO do it...it's not for them per se but for an audience who may be reading or listening. If I want to provide entertainment or impress a certain select group of people like influential Black folks or young Black folks or foreign Black folks who think AfroAmericans are slow and dull, or women in general who may find a man who knows verbal Kung Fu attractive LOL, I will do it to impress THEM. Not the racist or silly negro. @Pioneer1 one thing I have noticed is that you do not seem to be willing to change your position -- I don't recall seeing it happen. When presented with compelling evidence you disparage it in one way or another, calling it the white man's science or something like that... There's a difference between what I call real Science and "White folks science". REAL Science is things that can be easily proven like math, chemistry, technology....that anyone of any race can experiment and test for themselves to witness the results and confirm. What I call "White man's science" are usually THEORIES that can't be proven but you have to just "believe" and "agree" with them because the majority of White folks have gotten together establish it as "scientific". Examples include the Theory of Evolution, the Big Bang theory, etc. Things they can't possibly "know" or prove but insist on the rest of humanity just accepting it as absolute fact anyway.

That makes TWO of us...lol. I put this one in the same category I put Clubhouse and the other pop-up platforms being pushed on the public. I don't trust them and really don't see what the big deal is about them because they all are headed in the same direction anyway. They all follow the same pattern: 1) They are promoted heavily to build up the anticipation BEFORE they're launched 2) Once they are launched, their promotors LIE about the amount of people who register for them....claiming 17 billion people world wide just registered on this new platform, lol. 3) The start off letting ANYONE join FOR FREE and say ANYTHING they like with no censorship or restrictions. 4) A few years (or now just a few months) later...the CENSORSHIP starts from some "board" who controls the platform that you've never heard of They'll use some sort of event or crisis as an excuse and claim the "government" is forcing them to censor folks and delete certain postings. 5) This gets worse and worse to the point you no longer can say anything but the officially politically correct things on their platform or risk getting suspended or banned. NOW THIS IS THE GOTCHA MOMENT.............. 6) They open up a "special" app on the platform that DOES allow you to say and post any content you like featuring politically incorrect language, nudity, cussing, threats, and anything else you like......FOR A FEE. So now what you USED to be able to do for free....you must now PAY to do the exact same thing. It's the same pattern over and over again. And it didn't start with social media....it started with TELEVISION, remember?

Well, by now I'm sure that most of you understand that I personally believe POWER is more powerful than either belief or knowledge....so I'll move on from that. Some believe that belief is more powerful than knowledge. I used to be inclined to feel this way, because belief is often so tied up in emotions. We all know about the zealots and how they can be so invested in their religious BELIEF systems that they won't tolerate any information to the contrary. However I maintain that Knowledge is still more powerful than Belief. We're talking over all and in general...not specific incidents. Kind of like the question, who is physically stronger....men or women? Men are generally physically stronger...but some people will point out INDIVIDUAL EXAMPLES of a young body building woman being stronger than some sick old man to "prove" otherwise. No. Those are exceptional and individual cases. When asking a broad question we should focus on the MAJORITY and not exceptions. Why do I say Knowledge is more powerful than Belief? Because no matter how strongly you believe something and put all of your emotions behind it....if you're wrong...chances are the SCIENCE OF KNOWLEDGE will still over power you. Look at the Middle East, Israel/Palestine in specfic... Many of the Palestinians are strong believers in their religion and culture. They believe they will be victorious. They have no KNOWLEDGE of this because their land was stolen from them and they have been oppressed; but many of them BELIEVE they will be victorious anyway and so they go out and face the weapons of the Israelis....and often end up dead. Why? Because most of the Israelis tend to be educated and their focus is more on science...Knowledge...and how to effectively make weapons, chemicals, build vehicles that can protect them. The Israelis are more focused on science and knowledge than religion. Many if not most of the Palestinians seem to be focused more on religion and culture than science and knowledge. And look who's winning right now. Around the Middle East and parts of Africa you have religious zealots who run out facing tanks and bullets and jets with the BELIEF that they won't be harmed because of their religious zeal....and end up dead because someone with more KNOWLEDGE and training defeated them. It's growing up seeing this that helped to take me away from organized religion. Now don't get me wrong...... I understand that God is infinitely more powerful than any human or military on this planet and CAN defeat the Israelis or any other military, the question is WILL God? Did they get a promise of help from God directly....or is this religious and wishful thinking on THEIR part?

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Although I think BOTH tend to be enemies of the progress and advancement of the AfroAmerican community in general, when compared with eachother I have more respect for the Sell Out and Uncle Tom than I have for the Black gangster and thug. Infact, I'd rather LIVE AROUND the Sell Out and Uncle Tom.....than live around the gangsters and thugs. The threat that the gangster and thug poses is a DIFFERENT type of danger than that of the Sell Out and Uncle Tom. What do I mean? Most Sell Outs and Toms don't pose a danger to the Black community period. They just dismiss and abandon their people and refuse to help them in order to win favor with the Whites. Of those who DO pose a danger, most of the dangers they pose are through helping the Whites institute policies and laws to harm Black folks either at work and or in society in general. This is bad enough and although it certainly affects your LIVELIHOOD....it generally don't cost you your life. We see this with Clarence Thomas and the Affirmative Action issue. But the gangster and thug however....... They DIRECTLY KILL other Black folks. They sell poisonous drugs to those in the Black community. They are quick to start fights and harm or kill those in the Black community. They will break in your house and steal your car and other belongings. They are the ones most likely to turn informant and agent against others in the Black community is is pretty much a form of selling you out in and of itself. They may not admit to directly helping Whites against their own people; infact they may be the MAIN ONES standing on a step ladder preaching about how weak and trifling an "uncle tom nigga" is and how he needs to be tossed in a ditch. Mean while THEY are engaging in and promoting behavior that harms other AfroAmericans FAR MORE than the most shameless Uncle Tom out there. The rap group NWA has done more to harm Black folks than Clarence Thomas and Candice Owens combined EVER has....hands down. There are levels to this. We need to recognize who the REAL ENEMIES of our community are...and to what degree.

Zeke1234 Why did that have to be your LAST comment for this topic, lol??? You're on a good website where you don't have any technical difficulties posting, and there are no moderators coming down hard on you telling you what you can and can't say and policing your every move. Do you know how RARE that is now a days? Especially in the age of Twitter and Instagram where you'll liable to get your account suspended just for saying "good morning"...lol.

Delano I had a friend who would purposely take the opposite position. He respected my intellect. So it was more of a contest than combat. I guess it all depends on the person you're debating. Some people don't have the emotional maturity or stability to handle their beliefs being challenged. You meet certain people from other nations like the Middle East and India....they are some very nice people until their cultural or religious beliefs are merely QUESTIONED. Then many of them will go off. frankster Disagreements are healthy so long as Honesty and Respect abides......Growth Happens I agree My religious beliefs were changed through strong disagreement and argument with those who knew more and didn't play games with me. I came with my books and scripture and my opponent who was an older dude schooled me on my own book and introduced me to more scriptures I hadn't heard of. I had no argument left so I HAD to agree with him and showed up at his temple a few days later. As much as I like to debate, I don't let it get in the way of accepting CLEAR evidence and truth. I can tell you this about debating with racist....they tend to be full of insults of racial kind and personal attacks rarely anything substantial, meaningful or factual. After that they change their name and come at you again with the same thing from a different angle trying to ensnare you with your own words. Which is why I generally don't debate racists UNLESS there's something to be gained by it. I'll let you in on a little secret...... When I debate racists and dysfunctional Black people, if you ever notice the circumstances I usually don't do it UNLESS there's an audience present. Why? Because I do it to win the AUDIENCE over...not them. Well....if it's a dysfunctional Black man or woman...I'll often try, but I won't waste too much time on them either. I do it to SHOW OFF my debating skills and show other Black people how to counter the points of a racist or some dysfunctional nigga who tries to justify their foolishness. I won't lie, when I was younger I used discussing books, history, religion, and politics as a way to get coochie from females...lol. I wasn't a thug or a gangster, I had to find MY niche...lol. I still use this as a way of impressing other Black folks. Although I realize that many aren't impressed by great talking points over religion and history, but some are. You are a little bit of both i suspect. LOL...I guess it depends on your definition of a "troll". Sounds like a typical life in the West Hmmm....... A lot of people make it over 50. However how many U.S. citizens have never been diagnosed with mental illnesses or put on any drugs. Half...or fewer? Most people definitely haven't had the opportunity to grow up in a nearly all Black major city like Detroit. I call it a privilege because our mayor Coleman Young protected us and SHIELDED us from a lot of the racism other Black folks were experiencing in other parts of the West. I didn't understand why NWA and many other rappers hated the police so much because where I grew up....most of the police were Black, lol. ProfD Thanks for the words of encouragement! Being human beings, we all have our moments where we wonder...WTF??? I'll be honest, what really got me wondering was the experience I mentioned in another thread about how the Black folks on my job didn't want to believe that people in an office somewhere could control and sabotage the machines they were working on. Of the HUNDREDS of Black folks working there....why was me and 2 other people the ONLY ones who thought this could even be a possibility? Of the hundreds of Black folks working there, HALF of them smoked weed and most of them drink, and many of them smoke crack and do heroin. It's not just there, I noticed that on a lot of the jobs I've been on. When it comes to dysfunction and fucked up behavior you have PLENTY of Black unity where dozens of Black folks can find agreement with eachother. They'll hang out and stick together -to smoke dope and engage in criminal behavior. But when a GOOD brother or sister says lets unite to do something positive or investigate a racist incident and ascertain some benefit for ourselves -too often they get isolated. Perhaps it's a bit of jealousy....but it's often emotionally painful to see who I consider the "wrong" Black folks getting the wealth and popularity and approval from the community so much.

EXCELLENT FILM!!! Thanks for hipping us to it Troy. My girl Ruby Dee was in the film also....and showing a little skin too! Also Max Julien played Johnny. He played the pimp in The Mac a few years later. That movie was not just excellent but waaaaaaay ahead of it's time, it's hard to believe it was made way back in 1968 because a lot of the themes seem like they were out of the mid or late 70s. I didn't realize young women were wearing their hair natural back in 1968. I didn't think that came until the 70s. I was also surprised how openly they showed homosexuals....Black homosexuals....drinking in bars and playing around. Surprised they had Black gay hang-outs back in the 60s and even MORE surprised it was so common they put it in a movie in the 60s. Smoking weed too. It really affects my perspective on AfroAmerican history and makes me wonder how far back did the dysfunction really go.....and is some of it really "dysfunction".

Zeke Thanks for responding to my questions!! I'll be honest with you, I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religious dogma anymore. However did you arrive at your beliefs from any particularly Spiritual experiences like hearing directly from Yahweh, seeing Angels, having Visions.....or did you come to your conclusions ONLY from reading scriptures? What'choo know about the Hazel Park race tracks, lol.....are you from the Detroit area or something? My uncle used to go to that rack every week....wasting THOUSANDS of dollars, lol.

frankster In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true? On page 1 Posted June 4 You said:

frankster Are you FROM Nature? I'm not sure What is YOUR definition of nature? I think you gave it once, but so I don't have to go through all of the pages...please refresh my memory. Are you IN Nature? I'm not sure, again...it depends on your definition. Are you a Part of Nature? Same response, it depends on your definition. Although my positions haven't changed...yet....I've decided to STEP BACK from my previous positions on "nature" until I get a CLEAR DEFINITION from you on what you think Nature actually is. I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her. I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material) Physically speaking, I think you WERE a part of her but NO LONGER a part of her. You DESCENDED from her. Mentally, perhaps you are a part of her MEMORY and emotions. But physically, you are independent from her. Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context... I'm not sure if YOU DIRECTLY said that time didn't exist or you implied it by posting an excerpt from an article stating this. I have to look back and see. I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed I don't disagree with this position either. But again, the "time not existing" part I DO disagree with and I'll provide the quote of it if I find it. Unless you removed it, it's there...whether YOU said it or a third party said it and you co-signed it. Which are New and which ones are Not African? -Time not existing -Believing in Saint Germaine -Role of the Anunnaki Although the Anunnaki...according to the research widely available to us...are an ancient group of advanced Beings that were widely discussed in ancient Sumerian literature thousands of years before the so-called "New Age" movement... How they've been DESCRIBED and their ROLE in human history and development has been largely shaped by the Western New Age movement.

Delano Thanks for responding! Ofcourse disagreeing with people aren't the same as disliking them, but if you're at a job or in a class where you're constantly disagreeing with the employees or classmates on MOST subjects, you're clearly not going to be their BFF...lol. In real life, I've observed that people usually don't disagree...especially constantly....with people they like. Infact, most of the time when you're around someone you like or love you'll PUT UP with shit you ordinarily wouldn't and ignore their bad characteristics...lol. But yeah.... I do recognize I tend to get defensive and even combative on some subjects. Not sure how this looks to others, but to me....it's only logical to DEFEND your assertions once you make them. Or rather the method of answering the question or finding a solution involves thinking in a way that is different. Profound statement in which I'm inclined to agree with! In order to find a solution to a problem, sometimes you HAVE to think outside the box. And sometimes the person IN the box can't do this. They have to seek answers from those who ARE outside of the box. How many times have we looked for a solution for a problem for days or even weeks, thinking that things were almost hopeless....only for someone ELSE to come up with the solution that was rather simple and standing right infront of us. The second question is is no longer a question if my response to your first question is true. The answer is in the question. You have already decided your answer is clear cut and dry. Most people believe they are right. In my experience people don't generally think they are wrong. You style is discussion is a bit combative. So you have already decided before the discussion that you are right. Then you aren't really having a discussion. Oh, so if I understand you correctly.... My BELIEF that my opinion or perspective on a particular subject is CUT AND DRY with no valid alternative perspective -is the problem in and of itself? Believing that no other opinion is valid and my defense of this position fuels the conflict? Perhaps people may need to think they are right. Otherwise life could be overwhelming. It is better to have a false sense of security that a real existential dread of the future. Interesting..... I do love being "right", even if I'm not right, lol. I love the FEELING I get from thinking I'm right. .....if any of that makes sense. I understand that there are some people....most?....who perhaps don't care whether they are considered right or not by others.

Troy well if were still part of Britain we may have been emancipated decades earlier. Perhaps. Then maybe not....we don't know for sure. What I'm ALMOST certain of, is that if the U.S. was still a colony and all of her residents were still subjects of Britain...the nation/territory today known as the U.S. wouldn't be nearly as powerful and influential as we are today. AfroAmericans are the people who give the U.S. her "soul". Not just through inventions but through the music, sports, and other forms of entertainment that people around the planet seek to emulate and imitate. We set the trends. If you look at Black cultures that existed UNDER British rule whether they were in Africa or the Caribbean....they were suppressed and lacked the luster we exhibit. Even Jamaican culture and the influence of Reggae didn't get poppin' until after they achieved their "independence" from Britain. who are you talking about here? That was a proverbial example. Obviously the right-wing media does a hit job on most of the Black victims of police brutality by bringing up their criminal records and past discretions so as for the public to feel less sorry for them and see them as perputrators instead of victims. But much of that is OUR fault because we don't exert enough control over WHO get's the spotlight as victims of police brutality in the first place. No disrespect to our brother George who DID NOT deserve to be treated that way and killed....however why were their riots all over the nation for George Floyd who wasn't exactly a saint....but very little said about our sister Breonna Taylor who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to provoke the police to kill her and had an ABSOLUTELY CLEAN criminal record? Both of them were unfortunate victims, but from a PR perspective Breonna would have been a more IDEAL example. Who get's to choose what the world sees? I believe if King or Shabazz were with us leading their Movements...Breonna's case would take the lead. My overall point is, just like MLK did by choosing Rosa to be the posterchild to launch his movement instead of the unwed mother....WE should be picking and choosing which victims of racism is held up infront of the world as a posterchild. Not letting our enemies pick and choose them for us. We are way too fragmented and easily distracted. What does this say about the current Black leadership? One of the jobs of a GOOD Black leader is to UNITE the community and prevent this fragmentation and distraction from occuring! That's literally the role of a leader! It's like I tell the managers at my job when they complain about the performance and attitude of the workers. This may be true, but it's YOUR job as a manager to encourage better performance and attitude. If you can't do this, then YOU aren't qualified to be leader or manager and someone who CAN should be in that position. It's the same with social and political leadership positions. Yes our people are divided, but for whatever the reasons Black people are divided.....a good leader should be smart enough and capable enough to OVER COME these reasons and UNITE the community.

My constant disagreements and even arguments with Cynique, Delano, frankster, and even Troy on occasion as well as a few others over the years has got me thinking about what the problem could be. While not knowing what's EXACTLY in other people's heads, I'm certain that they are SINCERE in their opinions and assertions...just as I tend to be with mine. As many of you can tell, I DO like debating from time to time....lol...but actually I'd rather agree with and have my ideas supported MOST of the time rather than constantly having to defend them. I'd rather save my debating and arguing for the racist Caucasians and dysfunctional Black people. However unlike a lot of argumentative people, I DO realize that "everybody" can't be wrong....lol. What I've observed over the years is if a person constantly finds themselves in disagreement with MOST people in given environment there are reasons for this. When you find PATTERNS of a certain thing, that tells you it's not random but usually has clearly identifiable causes. Most of the time (but not all) when someone is constantly disagreeing with everybody, either: a) They're trolling and just being disagreeable to stir up emotions and start discord. or b) Their thinking pattern is either "off" or not "normal" OR healthy but just "wired differently" than the majority of people for some reason and this affects their perspective and how they see things. Well I can tell you for a fact, I'm not trolling. Infact, I've been accused by both Cynique and Delano on MORE than one occasion of trying to "gather a following" of supporters behind me to be the next major Black leader....LOL So my thinking pattern is obviously different in many cases. Here's a few facts: 1. I was born and raised in the United State in a majority Black city and saw some of the same things many of you have seen growing up. 2. I have never been diagnosed with any mental illness nor put on any psychiatric medication that often affects one's thinking. 3. I have never used any hard drugs like cocaine or heroin to affect my brain and thinking abilities. 4. I'm over 50 years of age so I made it in this world so far with my line of thinking while a lot of "popular" people didn't even make it pass 20 years old. So the question is, why is my thinking pattern and the way I see the world so different than a lot of people? Why do I often meet with more DISagreement than agreement on subjects I think should be clear cut and dry? @Cynique and @Delano Both of you are WELCOMED to chime in if you like! Infact, I encourage it! Let us put the sour grapes to the side for a moment as I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Infact, ANYBODY is welcomed to chime in if they like....I just mention those two because they are the ones I tend to disagree with the most.

I believe Bennie Thompson is the Representative from Mississippi. I haven't followed him much, but from the little I've seen of him over the years...he's not afraid of a confrontation. I remember sometime during the G.W. Bush era (or maybe after?) he was ready to go to physical blows against some Republicans up in Congress. The problem with being in ANY of the current political parties...which includes the Democrats....is that their actions are limited by the White leaders of the political parties who have their own agendas. Bennie could TRY doing his own thing and pushing an agenda that improves his community. And indeed Black politicians SHOULD. They SHOULD push the envelop as far as they can without getting actually kicked out of the party...lol. However at the end of the day, they are on a leash and if they start straying too far out the White leadership will either yank the chain and pull them back in....or CUT the chain loose and kick them off the property all together so now they're on their own. ProfD I'm going to say that most Black politicians aren't EVIL. I think most of them...not all obviously...but MOST of them probably started off and got into politics to do the "right" thing for their communities and their people but the nature of U.S. politics itself deviated them. It went from: -Entering politics to make a positive change. -To realizing how deep the evil REALLY is in the system and settling for just trying to make any positive impact you can. -To getting comfortable with the little wealth and privilege you're getting and trying to balance that with your efforts to help the people. -To eventually realizing that your efforts haven't made that big of a difference anyway and saying "fuck it" and coasting along and not making waves. It get's to the point where you realize that the system is so strong and YOU as an induvial can't make too much of a difference....especially when you don't have enough other politicians on your side to help you. You learn that sacrificing your time and effort seems to not even put a DENT in the corruption going on in this political game. So rather than living and dying broke and disappointed...your reasoning tells you you may as well get as much benefit as YOU can for yourself and your family.

You almost NEVER see that negro smiling. In almost every picture of him, you see him with a frown or scowl or look of disappointment on his face. Not surprisingly..... I was skimming through a documentary on Youtube that said he used to be down with the Panthers and other Black power movements back when he was in college. A lot of Uncle Toms and Conservatives used to be Liberal and even down with the Black Power when they were young.

Chev Those videos you posted about that feral White girl was weird as hell.....lol. I searched through the videos trying to figure out, what happened to her. Are there any videos of her now as an adult? She was a child back in the 70s so she shouldn't be very old.