Pioneer1

Lol......"de nada" por que?

Daniel You can do what you want to do...... But I suggest you strongly resist the temptation to respond any further in this thread....lol. Either that, or choose your words very carefully.

Troy I don't believe I've met Thumper. Why do you say you're not sure if Thumper is still alive? Was she sick or elderly? Daniel The logical reason why I don’t accept the Ancient Mysteries system Another logical reason is because it probably won't accept you. You probably wouldn't be allowed to be initiated....lol. is because they are creation of man. Oh.....but Christmas isn't?

Extremely informative article brother! I've been saying for decades that they have been genetically engineering foods that will benefit THEM and harm our people. Why do you think there are so many White women walking around with wide hips and big butts bouncing and shaking them in your face today? They didn't look like that 30 years ago, why now? And on the flip side, I've seen quite a few AfroAmerican women who seem to have LOST their butts and not have flat butts even when they are fat! But when you look at the sisters from Africa they STILL have the big butts, wide hips, and other curves. I remember when most Black men were SKINNY like J.J. 40 years ago, you didn't see all these big fat sloppy looking brothers bouncing up and down the street today. Something is clearly going on. But people like Marcus Garvey, Booker T. Washington, and Elijah Muhammad have been telling for over a hundred years to DO FOR SELF and grow our own foods! See, when you stop being lazy and waiting on the devil to do for you what you SHOULD be doing for yourself....you avoid those type of problems. AfroAmericans have been in this land for OVER 500 years. I say "over" to avoid arguments about specific dates, as some people will argue that we came here during slavery while others will argue back that we were here thousands of years before....back and forth back and forth. But regardless of exactly when we got here, the fact is we should have BEEN had our own farms, hospitals, medical centers, and medicinal factories instead of relying on Caucasians. I would offer a little push-back on the notion that we as AfroAmericans are the "real Jews". I know a lot of people have been saying lately that we are the "true Israelites" and "true Jews"; but based on my studies...... What Elijah Muhammad taught was actually correct. Those people commonly called "Jew" (Yahoodi) are descended from the first Caucasians that Musa was able to civilize in the caves. They were formed as a group to help civilize OTHER Caucasians (gentiles) and they became known as Yahoodi/Jews. That's what it means by "chosen" people. They were "chosen" by Musa and his crew because they were a little smarter than the other Caucasians, so they were chosen and left behind to help civilize the rest of them (gentiles). To this very day when you look at them they are the leaders of Western civilization when it comes to science and literature. Do you think this Western civilization was built and managed by the average sausage eating beer drinking White man? All he has sense enough to do is go to work and follow directions. It takes a powerful mind to build this world. That's why as much as he tried to, Hitler wasn't allowed by the other Caucasian leaders to kill them off. Like many other Caucasians, he didn't understand why they had so much power and wealth in society and got angry and jealous...but the OTHER Caucasians leaders did! And they knew that if Hitler had succeeded in doing that crazy shit he tried to do....Western civilization itself would immediately collapse because the "brains" would be dead. Now, the ancient HEBREWS were and still are an African people. But I'm not talking about them, or the Falasha/Beta Yisrael of Ethiopia. I'm talking about the actual JEWS...they have always been for the most part Caucasian. And keep in mind, I'm talking about REAL Jews not some negro who read the bible and decided to grow a beard and wrap a towel around his head trying to be all that he can never be, lol.

EVERY Black man and woman living in Western society is a "veteran" as well as a P.O.W.

This sister Vickie Dillard REALLY let that disgraceful brother have it! I usually recommend certain parts of a video, but the MAJORITY of her video is so ON POINT on challenging AfroAmerican men to "man up" and stop with all of the crying and emotionalism....that it would be a disservice to her to just point to one or two segments. I suggest you all listen to the entire video, even if you have to while doing other work...... Daniel So you met Van Jones and he practices crying off air? If you're asking me......I don't know.

Troy There are probably more informative videos but I don't have any I'd recommend at the moment. Apparently the oldest verified person in Earth is 117. The oldest to have ever lived, lived to be 122. And exactly WHO verified these ages?

Before I can PROPERLY answer your question, I'll need you to specify WHICH "Black Culture" you're refering to. There are literally HUNDREDS of Black cultures around the world with different beliefs and practices. The Black Yoruba culture is different than the Black Zulu culture. The Black Dravidian culture is different than the Black Ormomo culture. The Black Wolof culture is different than the culture that most Black U.S. residents practice. Now, judging by the context of your post I can kind of guess which one you're talking about, but I wouldn't want to assume. So in order to be RIGHT and EXACT we should be specific as to which one it is.

Do you know the difference between PROOF and EVIDENCE? If you did, you'd realize there is plenty of EVIDENCE that much of this killing is being done by White Supremacists.

Troy Yeah lol 117 is just about as long as a human has ever lived and probably makes him the oldest person in Earth. I'm not sure of that. When I was a Bible believer I thought nobody could live past 120. I realized that that was a misinterpretation of scripture and since they accept that plenty of people can live past that age. Black people live a LONG time when we are in our natural environments eating the right foods. You shouldn't be losing young brothers in their late 30s from cancer and AIDS like Chadwick Boseman, Old Dirty, and Eazy E. Honestly I did not take that claim as serious and overlooked it.... I was looking at his body language. It was more than simply disbelief and astonishment....it was an INDIFFERENCE that in my opinion showed a disrespectful lack of curiosity. If I'm talking to a man or woman and someone tells me that they are 90, I immediately humble myself and comment on their long life out of respect and sheer curiosity. The young tattooed brother just brushed it off as if the man said something as common as being born in Alabama. Even if he didn't believe it he should have shown more interest in it, especially for the audience he's doing this video for. This video is more than just a poor selection from Del, because I've seen MANY videos this Search for Uhuru brother has done and this is typical of his style. He's smart and adventurous but he's not much of a journalist and doesn't seem to ask the important questions that are very relevant to the subjects he features. The question about going back to a star tripped me out. The people are shoeless living in a mud hut and this guy is asking them about interstellar space travel. WTF?! Yeah, I know what he's TRYING to ask and I also know what they are TRYING to tell him! One of the problems is neither one of them are being very clear or articulate with eachother and it's leading to a lot of CONFUSION between them. The Dogon's actual beliefs are quite clear and easy to understand and make sense when properly explained.....but I'm not allowed to go into too much detail on the topic.

Troy Describing Black men being criers as part of our culture is not something I'm familiar with. No. It's not something most AfroAmerican men would ADMIT to. Infact, it's not something a lot of AfroAmerican men probably have even noticed about themselves. But I have because I am an observer. Some people are more observant than others and notice the small details of society that most others over-look. Now ofcourse men of ALL races cry more than the media would lead you to believe. I've seen a lot of white men cry like babies over different things. But I've noticed that men of color seem to be quicker to shed tears....but not necessarily out of weakness or pain, but out of strong emotion. But Van Jones is just making a FOOL out of himself crying and stuttering. To be honest..... Just like the Cardi B interview with Joe Biden, it was HARD trying to get through that video of Van crying and swallowing and stuttering. It took me trying 3 or 4 times to make it through.....lol.

Del Man..... Trying to talk with you is like talking to a squirrel in a tree...lol. Pioneer: Hey man! Pioneer: I see you're thinking about coming out for a little sun, huh? "I guess I am........." Pioneer: Well........I'm gonna be on my way now. You take care man! Peace!

Troy but there plenty of emotional engineers. I haven't met any...yet. When I talk to them they just stand there with a drink in their hand looking at me with that "cheerio" look on their faces. And most engineers I've met can't look you in the eyes when they talk to you. They are usually looking at a computer or phone screen.....LOL. I'm not sure if you know who she is but Cynthia G REALLY went in hard on Van Jones for crying over Biden's election.....LOL.

Oh, brother Uhuru.....let me check out that video. ((20 minutes later)) I'm gonna have to agree with Troy in not getting too much out of this video. I'm a little disappointed that when brother Search for Uhuru (forgot his actual name but remember him) was told that the elder was 117 years old that he didn't make THAT the main topic for a minute and spend more time on it. It's like...... Dude just TOLD you that my man was 117!!!!! No amazement.... No emotion..... No further questioning about his age..... Just moved on to talking about a bowl and some horns stuck in a mud building. I'm not sure if he didn't believe it and just ignored the statement or what, but he should have spent atleast a FEW minutes on a man who claims to be 117 and still THAT put together.

And apparently your post failed (if that was it's intention) to discredit mine. We just know there is a lot of violence and shooting going on in AfroAmerican neighborhoods, but do we know exactly WHO is doing most of it?

Troy told "you" to be the change, he did not say anything about him being the change It certainly SEEMS like that's where he's going with it. Of course this too is a broad generalization, but I hate to say I've seen too many parallels in life to completely discount it. It goes back to the "white man's ice is colder" cliché." The biggest goal in the lives of MOST AfroAmericans is to be accepted and loved by Caucasians. That's all that counts for most of them. As far as the average negro is concerned you can: -Keep the wealth. -Keep the power. -Keep the knowledge of civilization. Just show him which way did the White folks go! All they want is for White people to pet them on the head, give them a hug, and tell them how much they love and respect them! That's a "good" White person as far as they're concerned. When they run into a Black man like ME who would rather not be around them and don't seek their approval, they can't figure that out. Unless a Caucasian is in a position of authority like a judge, police officer, doctor, ect....who can help me or has something of value to offer....I pretty much avoid them. Not out of anger or hatred. I just really don't have much of a desire to be around them knowing what I know. Most Black people can't understand that..lol. Because being close to a White man is the epitome of success for a lot of them! "Man.... Which way did the White folks go????? I know I saw some walking around here earlier." Del I have changed how I communicate . I have little desire to convince anyone or encourage different thinking. Last year I would argue points. Then at some point I said I am done arguing, I don't see the point. And then I dropped out of most conversations. If I hadn't known any better, I'd say you moved to Australia to be around as many Caucasians and Asians as you could find...lol.

Troy It seems like I remember reading that you were also an engineer or had an engineering degree. If so that's usually a sign of a person who's brain is "tilted" more towards LOGIC than emotion. Perhaps you're too cold blooded and logical to shed a tear for Biden or anyone else....lol. Any record of him crying with Obama won too, or are his tears reserved for the great white savior? All Van Jones DOES is cry. Like many Black men. I understand that crying among Black men isn't necessarily a sign of weakness because I've seen brothers cry right before they whooped somebodies ass and started busting shots....lol. MOST AfroAmerican men, most Native American men, most Latinos, and even most Italian men cry because they tend to be VERY emotional and crying is a sign of strong emotion. When I get very angry tears come out. It's just something most African men and most men with African ancestry do. But in a Northern European based society such as the United States made up mostly of Caucasian men who just turn red and rant when they get angry.........the shit is a bit embarrassing. It makes him and many other AfroAmerican men LOOK weak and emotionally unstable....especially to those unfamiliar with AfroAmerican sub-culture. Van needs to cut that shit out.

This happened all over the nation. And it CONTINUES...............

Can't do it by myself. It takes more than only ONE person being nice for a society to get along. People quote that "be the change you want to see" cliche a lot but it's hard in real life for ANYONE to change themselves if their society and environment hasn't because most people's behavior is heavily influenced BY their environment. You can talk about quitting a gang and dropping out of it all you want, but if all you got going on around you is GANGBANGING and killing and you're the only one talking about peace......the killing will continue and you may even end up a victim yourself despite your desires. It takes a community effort to get along. Take YOU for example.....(since you raised your finger and decided to say something....lol) We've been posting on this site for years together and have had countless exchanges. We've "rewarded" eachother from time to time, but when was the last time you said: "That was a GREAT point you made Pioneer!" ? When was the last time I said it to YOU? You mean to tell me that as much as I run my mouth on this board, NOTHING I've posted lately has made you say: "Hmmmm, you're right.....interesting point." Hell, even a BROKEN clock is right twice a day! Now when it comes to message boards, I admit that it makes for good conversation and discussion when we EXCHANGE points and often times disagree with eachother. If I agree with EVERYTHING you say ALL the time...that would probably be pretty boring. Disagreement in and of itself isn't necessarily the problem. But it's HOW we disagree with eachother that I'm taking issue with. This lack of respect and seeming lack of even a DESIRE to get along with your fellow brother or sister. I criticize my peops a lot...but I LOVE AfroAmericans and want the best for us collectively. I don't go out of my way to fight and argue with my brothers and sisters. But it seems as if a lot of our people do. It seems to me that a lot of our people have simply given up on or could care less about unity or even getting along with other AfroAmericans in general. They may seek A PARTICULAR AfroAmerican whom they want to marry or do business with...and try to befriend and get along with THEM. But as far as collective unity...it seems to be the furthest from their minds. On the other hand they're grinning at and passing out free hugs to every White man who walks past them. A gang member can find it within himself to hug a NeoNazi White Supremacist and help "stop the hate" But he can't find it within himself to stop gang-banging and fighting with other Black people who may be of a different gang. Ask him to do THAT...make peace with another Black man....and he pulls the microphone off and ends the interview.

Troy At any rate there was a Brother (apparently, because it was just audio) on the YouTube channel espousing the same rhetoric Pioneer has about. The video was from the summer and the Brother was warning of the listener about an eminent assault being planned by white supremacists. This was based upon an "increase in chatter" on the various white supremacist's platforms. The speaker felt that a massacre would occur on the 4th of July. Obviously nothing happened Actually brother, it DID happen....and it's still happening. It just didn't happen in the way so many people who heard that threat EXPECTED for it to. Most people who took that threat seriously thought that on July 4th you'd see Klansman going from door to door snatching people out and shooting them. That's not what they did. They're driving in and out of mostly Black and Brown neighborhoods and shooting innocent children. If you've paid attention to the local news....since earlier this summer there's been a DRAMATIC INCREASE of violence and you've been hearing of dozens and dozens of children around the nation being shot but NO SUSPECTS are caught! They are trying to carry out their promise.

I said it in THIS thread: I said that if Trump stays in office you're going to get a revolution which COULD mean your slaughter or it COULD mean that you might actually end up doing BETTER and come out more successful from the breaking up of an old oppressive system. Then I said, but if Biden gets in office ALL you're gonna get is more of the same....which includes MORE Black men crying on CNN.

I don't hate to say it, because I LOVE being right...... A couple months ago I said something along the lines of the only thing you'll get out of a Biden Presidency is MORE Black men on CNN crying! I said this. The REASONS I said this were slightly different from the reason Mr. Jones (who's very sensitive in real life...I met him a few times when I was out on the Westcoast) was crying over, but my prediction is based on the same logic. I'm gonna try to go dig up the post where I said it but there's a REASON I made that prediction..... As an AfroAmerican man, I know the hyper-emotional psychological make up of most brothers. I also know how strongly so many FEAR and even HATE to take responsibility for their own life and self determination and would much rather wait on a "good White man" to swoop down out of the sky and SAVE them, than sit down and come up with a plan to save themselves! It takes too much THINKING to plan out your own salvation and many brothers would rather reserve that time and energy for having fun and let OTHERS (usually a White man) do the thinking and planning FOR them. They are what our brother Gibran calls INSTITUTIONALIZED. So used to White men making all of their decisions for them they are afraid to make decisions on their own. Van Jones is having what we call in the Consciousness Community a "Come to White Jesus moment"..... They are tears of joy and relief. Your "White Savior" has finally come! Your "White Daddy" have finally come back home! White Daddy and Baby Jones It's when you've been through a lot of stress and pain from being under a BAD MASTER and finally a GOOD MASTER comes along to rescue you, pick you up, toss you over his back like a little boy, and wisk you away from all of the abuse and humiliation! That's why you saw a lot of people...especially Black people...dancing around in the streets at Biden's confirmation even though he hasn't promised to do a damn thing for them. Negroes out in Atlanta doing the damn HUSTLE over this clown being elected, lol. He (like many Black people) thinks Joe Biden is that "White Jesus" who will make everything right and beat back the big bad demonic Trump. It continues the same narrative that you need a "good" White man to counter a "bad" one.

Troy Did it sound anything like this brother:

On a more serious note...... It's a damn shame so many AfroAmericans have such a hard time having basic conversations with eachother let alone debates and intellectual arguments WITHOUT them devolving into name calling, hostility, vicious insults, and too often eventual threats. These observations aren't a result of my recent exchanges with FAS or anyone else on this site but from what I've observed AROUND THE INTERNET as well as what I've observed in real life among AfroAmericans for decades! Caucasians and East Asians can disagree with eachother for WEEKS about a particular topic and it never gets to the point of name calling or questioning eachother's intelligence or manhood. They'll huff and puff and turn red and walk away BEFORE it gets to some of the shit I see going on with many of our people.. One usually backs down either out of cowardice or in the name of civility. Infact, they can disagree with eachother over politics and religion and end up MARRYING eachother! On the other hand, you can be dating a Black woman for 3 months and be crazy about eachother but all it takes is ONE off-the-cuff conversation about Jesus that happens to go left...and she wants you out of her life, lol. "You can come to here...STOP at the front door....and pick up that little cheap ass bottle of perfume and give it to SOMEBODY ELSE, if you want to. If not, I'm about to throw that shit away!" I've paid close attention to how other races and ethnic groups usually disagree with eachother online, on television, and even in real life. Yes they get heated and SOMETIMES threats and fights break out, but for the MAJORITY of cases.....they just....won't go there! Many of our people seem to go from 0 to 100 after a couple exchanges! The former poster Stefan comes to mind. We just questioned the information the brother presented in one thread and you'd think someone accused him of a sex crime! "What? How DARE you question MY integrity or the credibility of the information I so graciously provided you with about Black men and their support for Trump! I DEMAND more respect around here! I WILL NOT have my words challenged! I DEMAND you close down my account and erase all traces of my participation in this ABHORRENT environment!!" .........goddam! Even apologies and attempts to see eye-to-eye weren't enough. No sit downs. No meeting of the minds. No....ok, let's agree to disagree and move on. The relationship is just.....OVER. The ONLY options are 100% agreement or WAR....nothing else in between. Now to be honest about myself, there ARE certain things that will set me off but questioning my credibility or criticizing my beliefs aren't one of them. The super emotionalism that so many of our people exhibit over the most MINOR of disagreements and perceived offenses is both frightening and sad at the same time. There seems to be a deep down extreme dislike and lack of basic respect for another brother or sister that many of our people harbor and it's just WAITING for any opportunity to come out and present itself. "Here I am!" The only thing I can attribute it to is........ I guess when you've been beat down and disrespected for so long in society like many AfroAmerican have been- When your inhumanity and oppression is actually INSTITUTIONALIZED- Not only do you take advantage of every opportunity to gain and maintain respect and be thought of as smart and important; but you are ready to go to war with anyone and everyone who poses a threat to your fragile and sensitive esteem. This is one of the reasons I say we need to move into the "new world" with new rules and a standard code of how we relate to eachother. How can a society find success and progress without a safe and responsible way to manage and resolve disagreements? What I'm saying may sound minor and of little importance RIGHT NOW, because in the back of your minds you still rely on Caucasians keeping law and order if things get out of hand. But when they no longer have the power they currently have and it's JUST US in the community having to relate to eachother. ....then you'll see the importance of WHY we need to know how to safely and successful resolve our conflicts with eachother!

It's hard to describe it but their is a certain type of tension and hostility that exists in the United States that most AfroAmericans don't notice until they LEAVE the United States for other Western nations and then come back home...then it's readily noticeable. I used to go to Canada a lot and as soon as I crossed the border I immediately sensed a diff I believe AfroAmericans (most humans but AfroAmericans especially) are very sensitive and highly tuned to the emotions of those around us. It's what helps us survive. And much of the tension and our behavior is in RESPONSE to the hostility and hatred from other peoples that we can "sense" even if they don't act on it or say a word.