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frankster What if you don't make a good point....should they still acknowledge as a good point??? Do you want to compare "popular contributor" points from this site? I don't even see you on the list. Race only exist as a social construct It DOESN'T MATTER how it exists...IT EXISTS. It's a Reality! Do you understand this????? Dude....you presented a study on breast cancer as proof that races as biology and genetics is real and true. Because doctors and scientist ACCEPT and REALIZE that it is. Wishful thinkers like YOU don't want to.

frankster I printed and highlighted the word thought for you in the article....I see you choose to ignore it You're talking about this quote: I didn't ignore it, but I didn't address it because it was ambiguous. It said the recipient had thoughts ABOUT the donor's identity and life experiences...not thoughts OF/FROM the donor's identity and life experiences. The difference? It sounded more like the article was saying these thoughts were FROM THE RECIPIENT merely thinking about the identity and life experiences of their donor; more than saying that these were the actual thoughts OF THE DONOR that were transmuted to the recipient via the heart transplant. If you do not read....then I now know why you struggle with ignorance The only struggle I have with ignorance is struggling with YOU, lol. Yes...i can see why you would say that - you feeling frustrated As can be expected...struggling and debating with ignorance on two feet, lol. Dude you already admitted that "that Tolerance has limits" we need go no further Why are you framing it as an "admission"; as if it's something I denied???? Yes it is a part of the Circulatory system....I am not denying that - I agree Ok then........... but It is also a part of the endocrine system that is responsible for hormone production.... The Heart also produces Hormones Hormones affect Mood Feelings and Behavior. Here we go again with the reaches and the stretches...lol. Man, whether or not you eat BREAKFAST in the morning can also affect your mood and behavior. What does the "ancient teachings" say about that???? Yes tolerance DOES have it's limits...and you're pushing its boundaries in this discussion.

Troy Again, you’re a definition of white is causing confusion. Who else...besides you...lol...is "confused" by it? You realize that many Latino people by your own definition are white, don’t you? Ofcourse. If you want to see them, get in your car and drive a few miles south and you'll see THOUSANDS of White Latinos of Cuban ancestry. Again, who else is confused?

Troy those Nigerians are a biased sample of the most highly educated and wealthy ones from the country. That's why I want to go there and see for myself how the people are living. South Africa is actually larger. You probably mean that Nigeria is Africa’s most populated country…. That's what I mean, population wise. If we're talking about land...Sudan and The Congo are bigger than them both. I work with quite a few Africans from all over the continent and some of them keep inviting me overthere. One of these days I might take them up on their offer.

Believe it or not I have mixed feelings on Hoover's incarceration. On the one hand, as was mentioned before...he and others like him formed gangs that pretty much inflicted crime and violence on other Black people. Many of them, especially the gangs on the West Coast...were started by "off shoots" of the Black Panther Party who got paramilitary training on forming ranks, leadership skills, and weapons. ...and were no longer afraid to use them. But instead of using those skills to fight in "the struggle" many of them formed their own little militant groups to engage in criminal activity for personal benefit. You saw this not just in L.A. and Chicago but to a lesser extent all over the country in places like Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. I think the actual name or original name of the Gangsta Disciples were the BLACK Gangsta Disciples. There was a "conscious" element to it originally. In Detroit you had a gang known as the "BK's" or Black Killas (Killers). Originally it started of as a local neighborhood gang to protect THEIR neighborhood from White boys who would come in and harass the people. So they called themselves Black Killas to let them know that these Black men will kill you if you fucked with their neighborhood. Soon they started turning on other Black people and "Black Killa" meant they killed OTHER Black folks! Again, you saw this around the nation. Many of these gangs came out of the Panthers but then one man in that gang would get jealous and would form his OWN gang so one gang would spin off of the other and from another. Although they were inflicting a lot of crime and violence in the Black community, what REALLY sent the violence out of control is when they started locking up the leaders like Larry Hoover and Stanley "Big Took" Williams who was one of the founders of the Crips. The OGs had more direct control over the gangs when they were out on the streets and could control the "flow" of things. They called the shots and prevented a lot of things from happening. Once that leadership was gone, it was almost every man for himself. I vaguely remember....but I do remember...in Detroit back in the early 70s if your car got stolen or your house got broken into the leader of the neighborhood gang knew EXACTLY who did it and you could talk to him to get your shit back or keep it from happening again. When they started locking up the leaders, that type of organization ended. This was before Crack too.

The only time I've seen dinosaurs and humans running around together was in a Godzilla movie....lol.

Troy This is the kind of game @Pioneer1 plays. Just admit that you know much less than a PhD (or an MD) when it comes to the heart. What games have I played? Since I play them so much...according to you...give me 2 examples of them. frankster As a matter of fact the article did..... The part I quoted mention memory and personality...both personality and memory has to do with Thoughts.. Personality speaks to the character of the individual ....whether they be good or bad Memories are composed of Thoughts and Images As a matter of fact, it did NOT. You want to sit up there and equate muscle memory and cellular consciousness with that crap you read in some book about adultery and murder rising out of a person's heart when you KNOW it's not true. You're stretching and reaching more than Richard Simmons What you feel you are experienencing Information overload? No, because I'm not going to take ON the load. I asked for specific examples that prove your point and I'm not going to read any article you present that does NOT provide them. Your world view being challenge is overwhelming? No, but wasting my time is a bit frustrating. Inflicting or causing pain on yourself or another is intolerable. So when a woman has a baby, is that "intolerable"??? It clearly states Personality and Memory.... Look up Personality and Memory? Post your text and link Does it prove that evil thoughts, theft, murder, and adultery comes from the hearts of men??? If not, then I'm not wasting my time on it. The heart is the organ of circulation...plain and simple. No....it is not It is also apart of endocrine system.... What do you mean "no it's not"??? It absolutely IS an organ that circulates the blood around the body.

I don't now. But many Black people actually DO expect them to be different because they are people of color who also experience racism themselves from White people. A lot of us mistakenly believed that that experience would give them more understanding and empathy. Take a look (listen) at this audio of Black experiences with Latino racism out in California:

Troy I don’t debate or argue with people about their religious beliefs, as they have nothing to do with reason or logic it’s a matter of faith. Your denial of multiple races is right up there with them, because it's a matter of WISHFUL THINKING. You think racism comes from people being separated and categorized into racial categories. It wouldn't matter WHAT you called yourself, White folks would still treat you the same. I tried a reason with you about the issue of race, but I’m beginning to see it’s a matter of faith with you as well. Man...... Still. do you believe the Earth is flat? NO Why don't you ask the resident Bible Believer that question? You may be surprised at the answer. Oh I forgot, the ONLY reason you participate in this discussion is to point out how "wrong" I am on separate races...lol. frankster Whatever reason or excuse you want to use…. Whenever you are ready to resume…… Hopefully I am still around… With what you're smoking...you ain't getting off the couch anytime soon, lol. I enjoy our discussion And I also enjoy @Troy and @ProfD participation. I enjoy their participation too...as long as they show a degree of fairness. If I make a good point, they acknowledge it. If you make a good point, they acknowledge it. That's fair. Don't sit back and be silent at everything YOU say for three weeks but then when I say something he disagrees with NOW he gets involved in the discussion and links up with you to "do battle" against the issue. Also, don't demand something of me and when I provide it...you ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. You and Troy operate out of the same "denial" play book. No matter how many articles I provide that CLEARLY prove what I'm saying, yall just ignore it and focus on some mundane irrelevant part of the article dealing with culture or ethnicity. That shit gets old man. How are we supposed to gain any ground and make progress in the discussion if I present CLEAR proof of something and it's simple denied or ignored and the opposition continues???? I do respect Scriptures….as a source of Ancient Knowledge Lol...here we go again.

I actually want to extensively visit Nigeria before going to South Africa or Ghana. It's Africa's largest nation and unlike South Africa or Northern African countries....pretty much all Black. Most Nigerians that I've met here and in Europe were pretty smart and industrious so I want to see how developed their nation is.

frankster Science seems to disagree and is aligning with ancient knowledge.... Did you read the link I provided? Did the "link you provided" state that murder, adultery, and evil thoughts come from the heart? If not, why would I read something that's irrelevant to the discussion? I read material all day long, I don't need more shit to just sit up and read for the sake of reading. If it's not relevant to what I'm focusing on....why? You are causing pain damage and harm....thats intolerable. Plenty of people tolerate pain, damage and harm. Do you break down and cry or go crazy when you cut yourself or have a tooth ache? So are you now saying..... tolerance has limits I don't have to say it...it's clearly understood. That was never an issue. The issue is you seem to not understand when tolerance ends and violence begins. You both being schooled today. The heart is a muscle. Who on here hasn't heard of "muscle memory"???? it does not have to .. Yes it DOES, in order for it to be proof of YOUR assertion that it backs up ancient teachings. If ancient teachings claim that evil thoughts, theft, murder, and adultery comes from the hearts of men....then your article needs to plainly and clearly state that. The idea of heart having a brain is not new . The stomach and digestive system itself is said to be the "second brain" in human beings. Why didn't the "ancient teachings" speak on that? Infact, ALL the cells in the body have a certain amount of "consciousness" to them...not just the cells of the heart. The heart is the organ of circulation...plain and simple. You want to take it and MAKE it something other than what it is to MAKE it fit into your scriptural/religious beliefs.

There is no "pending" race war. There's been an ON GOING race war for thousands of years so far. Ever since they emerged out of the caves of the Caucasus Mountains Caucasians have strived to conquer people of color and dominate and rule over them. They may call themselves by different names. They may claim different religions. They may speak different languages. But the end goal and results are the same.....them on top of the society and you on the bottom.

Don't forget that many Latinos are White and tend to be just as racist as non-Latino Whites it not more. Many White Latinos....especially Cubans in southern Florida....routinely support Trump and the Republican Party. They tend to be racist against other non-White Latinos.

Time out. Hold up. Troy I don't think you're being fair in your participation of this discussion. You pop in and out of it at your convenience and ONLY to take shots at my position. I love discussing and debating with my brother....frankster....but he's a straight up Bible thumper; yet despite his scriptural/biblical views NOT ONE line of his has been criticized by you. You're quiet as a church mouse and pretend like you don't even see what he's typed, but then turn around and zero in on MY position that there is more than one race and fight it tooth and nail. You pop in...pop out....pop in...take a shot...pop out...chime in to take a shot again....disappear. You ask for proof that there are multiple races. I give it to you in the form of articles and links to journals. You either ignore the part I highlight and focus on some other part of the journal having little to do with the discussion OR you simply stop posting and I don't hear from you on the subject until months later when it comes up again. You only chime in to instigate against my position because you simply don't like the idea of their being more than one race. I'm a "flat earther" or believing in multiple races but frankster who believes IN the Bible...is not? Seriously???? It doesn't matter how many good points I make....you IGNORE them. No matter what evidence is presented to you you WILL NOT accept it...and you know it. You are NOT being fair and you are openly displaying your bias. frankster I'm suspending my participation in this discussion UNTIL Troy decides he wants to be FAIR and not pop in to hit a lick and throw a punch then duck back out into the crowd.

Troy What was South African society like? Was it Westernized like Europe or the U.S.? Lately, since Trump has brought those White Afrikaners over here I've been looking at more videos of life in South Africa and watching quite a few videos like these: Nice malls and beaches full of beautiful women....lol. That just may be the first African country I end up visiting.

Did the link you provided state that evil thoughts, murder, adultery, and theft come from the heart? If not....what are we discussing here????

People can say what they like, but FBAs are one of the few groups on this planet who are PROUD not to be White and go out of our way to differentiate ourselves and our culture from that of the White population. Others notice this at school and at work. While others compete with eachother to imitate Whites, we go out of our way to stand apart.....it's very attractive. I've noticed time and time again that while Whites will try to move away from other people of color who try to imitate and cozy up to them, when it comes to Black Americans who stand 10 toes down doing OUR thing...they will go out of their way to imitate and get along with US!

frankster I know what it means.. Just not sure if you do.... Does it MATTER, for the sake of this discussion? The socially constructed racial categorizations can be broken down to how ever society dictates... None of that will change the genetic truth...that there is only One Race - The Human Race. You're contradicting yourself. First you say that society can determine as many racial categories as they want, then you turn around and declare there is only ONE race. That's like telling somebody you can pick any flavor of ice cream you like, because there is really only ONE flavor. And that's the flavor of ice cream. Make that make sense. Science does not acknowledge race... You're simply WRONG, homie. whatever that means It means accept your Loss -the fact that you're wrong about race. And move on. No.....it did not. Racism came from the fact that.... Rich (Land Owning)Europeans did not want Poor and Indentured Europeans and Enslaved Africans rebeling together Racism and the idea of race did NOT start in Europe. It has been acknowledged FAR longer than that. Arabs acknowledged race and racism. Indians in India acknowledged race and racism. You can THINK you're the same as them all you want, but White folks KNOW they aren't you and you aren't them and will not hesitate to remind you of this fact if you veer too far to the left, lol. I think @Pioneer1 is incapable of being honest around race and racial issues... Look who's "typing"...lol. First you didn't accept the idea of races, THEN after I presented the definition to you you finally succumb to logic and accepted it. You run around....without references...declaring that there is only ONE race. But when I presented MORE facts to you that multiple races exist, you turn around and say that society can dictate as many races as it likes. You say science does NOT acknowledge race, but when I present scientific literature to you that prove that it does...you start getting specific and claim you meant GENETICALLY. Man you've changed your positions in this thread so many times I'm starting to wonder is this a discussion board or a porn flick.

frankster I brought it up because it is relevant You can present all the articles you like trying to shoe-horn your out-dated and erroneous religious beliefs into logic and contemporary science- .....but they won't fit. We know that evil thoughts, murder, theft, and adultery do NOT come from the heart. The heart is an organ used to circulate blood around the body. Not for thinking up evil thoughts. The needle used to administer the anesthesia...will cause pain And??? That pain is usually TOLERATED by the patient who knows that something GOOD is coming on the other side of it. Whether they agree or not does not stop the harm and the pain that will ensue Pain and even harm itself is NOT what determines intolerance. The decision to and immediate effect is what makes it intolerant Not sure what you mean by "the decision to" but the immediate effect of an act does NOT necessarily make it intolerant. Perhaps if they die because of it; that means their body couldn't tolerate it. Other than that..... ProfD The heart is a muscle with the sole purpose of pumping blood throughout our bodies. Right? I thought MOST people over 10 years old knew this already and it didn't have to be explained...lol. Thanks for posting BTW.... As much as I like debating and educating, it feels good to know that others are watching and keeping up with the discussion also.

Ofcoure not.... They know their own people better than we do....lol. Many Latinos I know....including Meztizos from Central America....actually VOTED for Trump and told me that they HOPED he would be strong on the border and keep the illegals out. Not all of them said this obviously, but many of them. More than I expected. I thought they were just playing or popping off at the mouth to "fit in" but it seems that many of the Latinos who come here come to escape the poverty and CRIME that goes on in their home countries and they won't want that shit following them here to the U.S. As I sit down and think about it..... It reminds me of Black Conservatives....TRUE Black Conservatives not the Jesse Lee Peterson types...who consider themselves decent and law abiding and love to draw distinctions between themselves as the "bad niggaz" who rob, steal, make babies they don't take care of, etc... And just like a lot of Black Conservatives who seek White approval by condemning the behavior of "bad" Black folks, it seems like a lot of Latinos seek the approval of Whites by condemning the bad apples among themselves.

Since the 80s, many of the racists have been trying to keep Black MALES out of the military. Using criminal background and drugs as an excuse. It used to be back in the OLD old days, joining the military was an alternative a criminal had to going to prison. All of a sudden now, they want you to be a "saint" before signing up. What it is..... During the riots of the 60s, they noticed a lot of bruthaz who had came back home from Korea and Vietnam were using some of the military tactics they learned overseas to fight the authorities with.

Troy None of thee above...lol. No one had to try to "sell" the idea that these type of people are crossing the border for me to "buy" into it; because it's almost common sense to me that they are coming in.

After watching several videos of South Africa, it looks so well developed and beautiful that I'm thinking about the possibility of migrating THERE...lol. https://youtu.be/NAEQy4aaCs4

Why? You said that you...(like frankster USED TO...lol)....believe in only ONE race, not two or multiple. So wouldn't that be a waste of time and energy until you've changed your mind?

frankster Not yet....but if it has a mini brain it may well be proven true Then why did you even bring it up as an example? I asked you what ancient teaching is proven by current knowledge and you brought THAT up as an example. Now you're sitting up there with some shiny eyes talking about... "No, no, Rasta mon...not yet but----" The tooth is a part of the body...the insult is to the body the patient feels the pain and is the one harmed...intolerance A good dentist will give the patient some anesthesia before that tooth is removed so that they CAN tolerate what's happening to them, lol. if its violent and causes pain and harm....then it is. Again, not all violence and harm is intolerance. If: 1. It's done for the benefit of the person it's inflicted upon, and 2. If all parties involved (doctor and patient and medical staff) agree to it. Then it is TOLERATED for the good of the person. Cutting is primitive and barbaric....it causes bleeding and exposes the internal flesh to harm/infection The METHOD of cutting can be primitive and barbaric if not performed correctly and with proper protocol. The act is intolerant The act itself isn't tolerant or intolerant because it doesn't have a will. The person the act is being performed ON either tolerates it or does not.