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Ridicule???? Lol...I was actually HAPPY for you. Everybody needs to have SOMEBODY. Even the angriest and most argumentative person needs SOMEBODY to go into a room, and close the door, and sit on the edge of the bed with. But if you wanna act like THAT and start cussing at folks on a Sunday, then......

frankster Affirmative action was a method intended/use to redress/remedy a historical wrong and ensure fairness to all applicants. But race is factored in TO address/remedy the problem. That's my point. I do acquisce to the demands of the more powerful... Dr Clarke and many of our ancestors fought against and would rather die than accept the concept of race racism and all that it implies and connotes. Considering how he was able to tolerate and adhere to the rules of the Western educational system enough to achieve a doctorate degree in it....I'd say he did some compromising himself, lol. In Western Culture it most definitely is sexual....playful or not. But these women weren't raised IN Western culture. So..... Many people get introduce to sex through play. True Maybe you see that... For me the first way to know if a girl is interested in me is by play(create laughter or a smile) and touch For me, one of the first signs is eye contact. But every (straight) man does what works for him.....lol. Many women are in the closets or unaware that they can be seduced in a homosexual tryst until it happens... True. But they were already homosexual or by sexual and just didn't realize it. It is believe that more than 50 percentage of women who consider themselves straight have had homosexual experiences I'm not sure about that. I think those "homosexual experiences" are just simply EXPERIENCES that can be labeled in a variety of different ways. Some of them can can even be labeled NON-sexual. For example.... A slap on the butt or a kiss isn't necessarily sexual because parents will often do that to their progeny. I have found from experience that when some women are disgusted by something....that disgust often hide a embarrassing desire Lol....I'll leave THAT one alone. If a woman does any of the above....then they both are suspect - Except girlfriends I'd say your standards of judging whether or not a woman is homosexual is pretty low...lol. They'd have to do more than that, or perhaps ONLY that...but over a prolong period of time for me to suspect it. They have engage in a homosexual act....though unwillingly Engaging in homosexual acts...willingly OR unwillingly...DOES NOT necessarily make one a homosexual. A prostitute can engage in homosexual ACTS...and all it would be is JUST AN ACT because she may not really love the woman she's interACTING with.

Oh, this is about Juneteenth? When I saw "better late than never" I thought you may have gotten yourself a new man or something, lol.

frankster No....concepts have no physical reality or quality - beyond descriptive representative and explanatory It doesn't matter if it's "physical" or not, it exists. Is INTELLIGENCE, physical? Current science says race is a social phenomena and has no genetic basis. It's not about what "current science" says. Truth is truth and stands firm REGARDLESS of time. Maybe CURRENT sciences says one thing and FUTURE science may say something different. Kind of like your "heart" example in the other thread, lol. Having said that.... Again, science DOES NOT agree with Dr. Clarke that race "does not" exist. Science ACKNOWLEDGES the existence of race. Thats a whole new definition....you just made up How did I make it up when for WEEKS now you've been reading and quoting definitions of race from 2 different sources that TOLD you that race can be based on skin color and other physical features? That "CAN BE" exist only in your mind....where anything can be - if you continue with this line of reasoning you CAN loose touch with reality Perhaps losing touch with Reality is the way for a person to get IN TOUCH with you....lol. You gotta speak to a person in a language THEY understand, lol. "You're reliable. Unlike the other guys I've dated...you're here in the same spot every day. You listen to me and don't interrupt me. ....I think I'm in love". Yes....anything can be called a race as long as they share somethings in common. So..... That being the case, what is your complaint about my previous assertions? Only societies with the Political will can institute new races.... Oh, so you finally come right out and admit to the existence of multiple RACES. It's about time....lol. Ahh because one have a penis and the other a vagina....duuh Male and Female....these are different sexes - not races or species That example was an answer to your questioning how 2 different people can come from the same 2 parents. If the same parents can spawn 2 different sexes; then the same parents can spawn 2 different races DEPENDING ON how race is classified in their society! So are you saying fictional characters are real? VERY ...in concept. ....and in context. No...you are now introducing it as a means to obfuscate and not accept the truth.. YOU'RE the one who refuses to accept the truth, lol. You keep trying to duck and dodge it or ask a bunch of unrelated questions to muddy it up. If we are speaking metaphysically.....ideas exist as a abstraction as in mentation - with no Physical Reality Again, things don't NEED to exist in "physical reality" to exist. The flaw is what proves it does not exist... It is that same flaw is what is giving you a hard time in proving race....causing you to continually move the limits of your own understanding of race. I don't have to try to "prove" it anymore, you clearly accept it now. Race is based in and on social politics.... Race can be based on MANY things....not JUST social politics. Hence the reason race is not based in or on color.....but social politics - thanks for proving my point. But earlier you said: Yes....anything can be called a race as long as they share somethings in common. First you said ANYTHING can be called a race, then you turn around and claim it's NOT based in or on color. A straight up contradiction. Thanks for proving MY point about you being CONFUSED, lol.

frankster Teachings are the methods use to impart knowledge and also instructions on how to use the knowledge. True Knowledge remains the same or unaffected by the methods used to share.. You are SOMEWHAT correct, but not exactly. Here's the definition of what "teach" means: With that definition in mind, here's why I take slight issue with you claiming that teaching means to simply impart knowledge and instruction... You can also instruct people and train them in FALSEHOOD and LIES, which is NOT knowledge. You can MIS-EDUCATE them. People can be TRAINED to be slaves or criminals. For example: If your religion is a false religion, and you are TRAINED/TAUGHT how to be a priest or clergy IN that religion... Then you are taught - LIES.

frankster Race is not based on genes Race CAN be based on physical traits, which ARE based on genes. All human beings no matter what Ethinic group exhibit those characteristics in the form of traits All human beings don't exhibit the SAME traits. I will neither deny or confirm Lol.... Race is based on politics... ....among other things.

What doesn't make sense to me is why would Iran enter a "deal" with America when America is an unconditional supporter of Israel? There is no "neutrality" in this. America and Israel are allies....and America did what allies are supposed to do....help eachother. I thought Russia and China was suppose to be Iran's allies....lol. So where are they????

It's similar to the Cosby, Puffy, and Shannon Sharpe allegations...... I'm not sure what to make of these to be honest with you. I'm not sure if it's a smear tactic being sued against these bruthaz or if they REALLY ARE engaging in foul shit and they do it some much that it eventually comes to the light. I've known people who were violent and abusive for much of their lives and then when they finally did something SO violent or crazy....it just made the news. Whatever they made the news for was only just a SURFACE or little bit of what I and others witnessed them doing. So when it comes to these celebrities being sued or brought up on sexual misconduct charges...... I have to wonder are they being targeted unfairly, or is some of the dirt they've BEEN doing finally catching up to them? But then again.... What about the White boys and their heinous acts?

I'll take that over "pickle ball". What the hell is that anyway???? I hadn't even HEARD of it 10 years ago....now every time you turn on the television some celebrity is enjoying a game of "pickle ball" with the family. franster Affrimative action was a means to measure how much race is not being used as a tool of oppression. Affrimative Action help all human beings...regardless of race. I don't know about helping "all" human beings. It was originally designed to help AfroAmericans, but actually helps White women more than anybody else. But SOME Black people actually have been helped by Affirmative Action, and they serve as examples of how being classified as a race can be used as a positive. Skin color does not denote race.....causes these people can at any time bring forth a child with white skin blue eyes and blonde hair call an Albino. Skin color ALONE doesn't necessarily define race, under most classification systems. However it IS a factor. The fact that that Albino child comes directly from African parents and suffers from a defective gene allows them to still be classified under the parents' race. A natural expression of variety isn't necessarily the same as "defective". I would not divide humanity along such arbitrary and transient lines... Perhaps you wouldn't divide humanity at all. However YOU don't make the rules, nor do you live on the planet alone. You have to live UNDER the rules of those who are smarter and more powerful than you....who DO divide humanity however they see fit. The acts in and of themself is homosexual in nature or fits that appellation/label. It depends on the act. Slapping eachother on the butt and kissing eachother playfully while giggling isn't NECESSARILY a sexual act. It's an act often ASSOCIATED with sexual attraction, but not necessarily so. These individuals are not being force but seduce into homosexual behavior The women I've seen who do this are no where NEAR being homosexual...lol. What it means is that they are exhibiting homosexual behaviors and tendencies If you are displaying these behaviors them what are you????? Goofy women playing around...lol. I've seen MANY women do this who were straight as arrows. Again, no where NEAR being homosexual. Most were married, had multiple children, and the thought of homosexuality in serious discussion often confused or disgusted them. Yet they'd still: -Slap another female friend on the butt -Kiss them -Jiggle one of their titties playfully -Even refer to their other female friends as "girlfriends" ...all without a HINT of actual homosexual feelings. If one engages in homosexual acts....it does tend to make one a homosexual... You don't mean "make one" a homosexual as in TURN THEM INTO homosexual do you? In ancient societies it was the the one sodomize that was considered the homosexual....and so I am told it is in prison today - turned out. I've heard that too. Too me...if anything....the OPPOSITE would be true. It's not necessarily the man being poked who is gay. He may be, he may not be....depending on the situation. However if a man can achieve an erection hard enough for anal sex, then HE must be gay to get that turned on.

frankster As you have seen it is not me making up these things... Ancient knowledge attest to these things... Ancient KNOWLEDGE...yes. Ancient TEACHINGS (as you said)....not necessarily. There's a difference between knowledge and "teachings". Knowledge is true, teachings may not necessarily be.

frankster Race is not derived from genes but from politics and society It may not be derived from genes but can be BASED on genes. Characteristics are derived from genes....politics use those characteristic to create a lie called race - so it appears genetic. What about skin color, eye color, hair texture and other PHYSICAL characteristics derived from genes? How does THOSE characteristics factor in "the lie"???? You have been fooled by these political liars. Lol.... You smoke weed you buy from the dispensary, but want to call OTHER people "fooled"???? The Dictionaries already let you know that race is a Social phenomena and not genetic one But it can be BASED ON genetics.

frankster For it to be....a society must accept and enforce it.... The concept of race isn't reliant on A society to accept or enforce it. As long as the concept exists, it exists. Our opinions differ on this and current science agree with Dr Clarke Current science does NOT claim that race doesn't exist. These are physical constructions... No comparison to Social Constructs.... Both are: 1. Man made 2. In existence ...which is what we're talking about . No they are not.....how you going to have twins of two different races and say it based on genetics Because racial classifications CAN BE based strictly on skin tone. If so...then being of a different color/shade can indeed make you of another race REGARDLESS of parentage. How you going to have one socalled race have children that fit the description of another race that that of their parents and call it genetics... How you going to have ONE child called a GIRL and from those same parents have ANOTHER child called a BOY? Genetics...lol. But those children inherited BOTH their similarities and differences from their parents; whether they are expressed or not. Superman was invented in the 1930's is he real or unreal? Yes, IT is real. As a fictional character. Superman....as a fictional character...is the basis of countless movies. Santa Claus was invented too....is he real or unreal? Yes, IT is real. Again, as a fictional character. And the reality of Santa Claus and Christmas is responsible for one of the most profitable times of the year. So we are now speaking metaphysically? There's ALWAYS a degree in metaphysics in our communications, lol. He dismissed the concept as flawed from the outset and then set about to show why it is not true or real.....but a lie He did more than dismiss the concept as flawed, he said it DIDN'T EXIST. How can something that doesn't exist...be flawed? A man doesn't have a girlfriend, but sits around complaining about how "ugly" his girlfriend is...lol. Colorism is not racism....for the reasons given in the previous response.. Colorism can be a FORM of racism, if race is based on color....which it CAN be. The Jews Irish and the Poles where not considered white for many yrs.....though they were all Europeans They may not have been considered "pure" White, but they definitely weren't considered Black. Most people accepted them as Caucasians. Yes it does....otherwise it is mere bigotry/colorism Again, colorism COULD be a form of racism and so can bigotry.

.....I forgot to add the very common act of "throwing at it" as they walk away in disappointment, lol. I was surprised at how common this gesture was among Black people around the globe, even from cultures that barely interacted with ours. But my brutha Phil Scott breaks it down how if FBA's don't sanction it, it ain't going nowhere:

I didn't agree with this. First of all..."evil" is for the most part a SUBJECTIVE term anyway. We could start a whole new discussion in a whole new thread about what constitutes as "evil" thoughts. Even if all of the cells of the body contained consciousness, that doesn't mean "evil thoughts" came from them...including the heart.

frankster I would not be teaching....if You aren't. No.... The Liberation is removal of race as a consideration. Instead of going back and forth with you on that one.... Affirmative Action...SUPPOSEDLY/IN THEORY....uses race to BENEFIT the oppressed. It actually has helped some Black people. What? This is out of place Am I being misquoted on purpose? Sorry, it WAS indeed a misquote The whole idea of Races has been and is Ambiguous To some people, yes. A lot of people can't think analytically and don't know how to categorize things period, let alone people. Things are more "fluid" to them. Race, gender, sex...everything blends together. I Would think they probable belong to one of the many African ethnicities... If communicating with some one like yourself.....for expediency - I would probable use the words black or dark people. Exactly. Because they fall into the "Black" or "Very Dark" race. I would have no problem with "Very Dark" being a racial classification as well as "Dark Brown" vs "Light Brown" as actual races. As long as it was a general consensus. Where I come from.....if these activities are romantic or sexual in nature then they are lesbians/bisexual I said PLAY with eachother in a PLAYFUL way. Although romantic partners can and usually do play with eachother, I emphasize "play" for a reason...lol. You claim you've been around Africans, yet you haven't seen women kiss eachother or slap eachother on the butt in play? I have, many times. I've seen American women....straight as arrows...do this to. I've seen straight women RELATED to eachother do this. I've seen SISTERS do this to eachother. If you are thinking it then you mentally already a homosexual... Well there IS NO homosexual without it atleast being mental. Sexual orientation IS primarily mental, regardless as to the way it's sexually expressed. When you commit the act then you are Actually a homosexual... Again, whether you ACT it out or not...if you are a man who likes to or wants to have have sex with other men and NOT women you are homosexual. ...if you like and want both you're BI. If however one facilitates or engages in such activities freely then one is.... I want to say yes; however there could be situations where a person freely engages in homosexual activity even if they aren't homosexual. Like certain secret society rituals where that is one of the procedures. It's one thing to BE sodomized. But if man can get an erection TO sodomize another man, I would definitely consider that first man homosexual. I have a classmate who prefer to stay in bed and watch movies than work......she went on disabilities in her 20's and never came off now she is in her sixties and still on it. Interesting. Perhaps she really WAS disabled....mentally. Most normal people couldn't do that for that long. I've known people who were physically able bodied but just lay in bed day and night for hours and hours at a time. Some sleep, others watch tv/movies, others just stare at the ceiling. They had psychological issue though. They just lying to themselves. I wouldn't say that. They are sincerely religious and believe that their feelings are of the devil or atleast are evil and they sincerely want to change. Yet...by nature...they prefer...are oriented to...the same sex. To their own dismay.

.....as long as that funny style nigga don't come out selling sneakers with "human blood" in the damn heels or any other publicity stunt that gives him more attention than he already has.

frankster Yes and it clearly States: Social groups. Social Groups are a Categorization of human beings....a category is not a living being but system of differentiating. Yes. Race is a classification OF human beings. Any and everything can be categories along varying criteria..... Almost everything can be classified, but not as "races". Racial classifications are for human beings. The Concept of Race is loosely based on appearance...and not genes as brothers and sisters of the same egg and sperm will differ. Social Groups are not biological entities What are you talking about? They are MULTIPLE biological entities...lol. Yes.... Physical Characteristic is derived from Genes....Social groups are not. Social Groupings are Politically or Culturally derived....not genetically The Same Gene can be Expressed in different ways....for instance one twin white and the other black In other words....it is the same genes that are responsible for all human differentiation and - no gene can be tied to any specific human trait exclusive of all other human traits. Thank you. It's about time we agree that I'm right! All official genetic scientists will attest to the known fact that Race is not Genetic.... And the dictionaries and official SOCIAL scientists will attest to the fact that races DO exist and can be based ON genetic differences.

And that...among many in the medical industry....is a pretty "clever" way to make money. To profit off of sickness and suffering. However there's a difference between being CLEVER and being WISE. If they leaders of this society were WISE, they'd realize that this society would benefit (including profit) FAR MORE if you have a strong, long lived, healthy population! The healthier and stronger people are, the better workers they make and the less expensive their healthcare would be....which would mean less money for the medical industry but far more money for the OTHER industries like manufacturing, agriculture, law enforcement, the military, and others who stand to benefit tremendously from stronger healthier employees who aren't draining the system. When you feel good and are healthy you WANT to work! You have so much energy you don't always know what to do with it.

frankster Yes....Dr Clarke is Right. Dr. Clarke WAS right about a lot of things but WAS WRONG about this particular one. Okay the following maybe beyond your comprehension.... Let's see....lol. Social Construct are real within the society that can enforce their acceptance on individuals They are real PERIOD, regardless as to whether a society accepts them or not. Like racism...they may not agree with them, but they are real none the less. Dr Clarke categorically dismisses them within society and outside of societies....his stand is civil disobedience and non compliance(non acceptance) to reveal their non-reality He said race DOES NOT EXIST. He was wrong. And it does not in many societies... But it does exist, period. Skyscrapers may not exist in many societies....but they still exist. Subways may not exist in many cities....but they still exist. Social Constructs are basically Agreements to act in accordance....it has no substance or physical(genetic) reality. Racial classifications are often BASED ON genetic differences. Cars are not Social Constructs....they are Physical Constructions. But they are MAN MADE, like race. Your defense of Dr. Clarke's statements was that because race was "man made" somehow that statement was justified. Just because something is artificial and man made, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Show where he accepted it as a reality? He said it was invented in the 15th century. If you invent something, you are absolutely bringing it into Reality. He accepted it as a part of this Reality invented in the 15th century. Cars were invented in the 19th century, they are apart of this Reality. Again an atheist explaining what the concept of God is....does not mean he accepts or believe in God or that God exists. Metaphysically speaking EVERYTHING exists, even if in concept. However, speaking in actuality...... There is a difference between believing something exists only in concept and believing it actually exists and was invented. Dr.Clarke talks about it existing as an invention in this Reality. ....after saying it didn't exist. Racism implies"inter" and Colorism implies "intra" ....unless racial classifications are based ON color. Then colorism would often BE a form of racism as well. Racism implies Institutional and Structural... Not necessarily. Colorism is Socio/Cultural norms Yes. In a society conditioned to believe such.

frankster I will not do for you what you should do for yourself.... To do your work...will result in you bringing forward silly and unnecessary argumentations. I'm talking about "some one who knows". Find THEM for me. Because when it comes to racial issues and classifications, YOU obviously aren't one of them, lol. It took you...I don't know how long...to finally accept the existence of race. This Act was a legislation enacted to eradicate preferential or discriminatory treatment based on Race.. Race in this case is not the source of Liberation....but the cause of Oppression But the REMEDY to that oppression involved RACIAL IDENTIFICATION. Finding out WHO has been oppressed and discriminated against because of their race and helping them. So by ending race as a criteria it was believe that the social oppression of one group by the other would end or be minimized in some way. Correct. Which concedes that they indirectly ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of racism and race itself. I and @Troy have presented several example where you cannot tell some one's race by just looking at them... The "several examples" that you gave are more EXCEPTIONS than RULES. You don't cherry pick racially ambiguous people and use THEM as examples of how ambiguous racial classifications are when there are far people who's appearances clearly established inside a racial category and they are the vast majority. Take your ass to South Sudan, stick you head in somebody's house, and tell me you don't know what "race" they are by looking at them! An obviously BLACK MAN will look you in the face and tell you to get the hell out of his house...lol. "You MUST go....right now!" Your thoughts and actions are your role or the role you are playing ALL roles are actions.....but not all actions are roles. Some actions are just routine, experimental, temporary, fleeting, etc.. Married heterosexual women often kiss, play with, and hug on eachother in a playful way...but they aren't lesbian. If your actions are loving and having sexual relationships with men....then your are a homosexual - no matter how much you thinking of doing it with women LOVING is the key word. It's that thought or preference that makes him homosexual, not necessarily his action. If he was straight but RAPED by another man and didn't love it, his ACTIONS didn't line up with his thoughts/preferences. Being incarcerated is out of their control...they are being forced to stay in place against their Will.. Exactly. But you said "whatever a person is doing is their preference". Do you understand that people often DO things they don't prefer to do because they either have no choice or their motivation for doing it is greater than their desire not to? A person may not prefer getting up early in the morning, but their desire to get that pay check from going to work is stronger than their preference....lol. Preference tends to be an immediate decision or choice Orientation is a long term or overarching desire or frame of reference/state of mind/thoughts You're CLOSE to being correct. Preference can be immediate OR long term. When it IS long term, it's ORIENTATION. Now be careful.... In some cases a person's sexual orientation may NOT be their preference! If they are a Christian...but gay....their orientation is homosexual, but they may WANT and PREFER to be straight! Lol...you weren't ready for that one, were you?

ProfD Well, I'm glad Lil' Nasty X wasn't the hill they decided to plant their flag and die on. Give that devil dancing fool as less attention as possible.

The definition CLEARLY STATES: And where do we get PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS from? Well....huh.....let's go back to the dictionary! ....What more proof do you NEED to understand that race definitely DOES have a genetic component to it????

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Man...... If Black people don't "sanction" it....it simply becomes a flop....don't it....lol. We are the ones who really set the party off! If we don't attend, people spit their cigarettes to the ground, stomp them out, and walk away disappointed.....lol.