Pioneer1

Some have argued that since the concept of race and racial categories are social constructs, they somehow aren't real...and some even argue that they "don't exist". From a secular perspective, both Marriage and Religion are social constructs. Should we apply the same standard to them, and argue that they "don't really exist" either?

frankster All human differences are a long a line of gradations from the source or original....No two human beings are exactly the same. All humans have skin and hair No two people share the same skin or hair Correct, so how can "all" people share the same genes? We share in the same genes....but we do not express those genes to the same extent. People share SOME genes and SOME are different. Nobody shares the same genes except twins. And even THEY are different if they LOOK different. Troy It has already been established that the is more genetic diversity within a so-called race that between them. Yes. Especially depending on how race is defined. You do this all the time. When have I said I "didn't like" somebody's skin color???? Recently you said Homer Plessey wasn't Black. He's not, as far as I'M concerned. You also said Walter White wasn't Black. He says he was Black and he ran the NAACP for 2 decades. A man can SAY he's a "woman" and open a women's club....that still doesn't make him one. This is why racism is so stupid for it has no basis in science -- it is purely arbitrary. Racism may be evil and wicked, but it's not stupid. Entire nations, kingdoms, and civilizations were built off of it. Nobility practices it around the globe. Are there standard for all of these? Do you need all od the characteristics, some of them or just one? Again, depends on the society and what they agree on. As frankster and you constantly point out...it's a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. So whatever society decides to STRUCTURE racial categories as, those are the features they will revolve around. Supposed you are a dark-skinned person with a narrow nose, straight hair, and rounds eyes are these people Black? If society decides to include them in the Black category...yes. The United States does. But another society may call those same people "White" or "Caucasian" like they do the Ethiopians or South Indians with those very same features. the whole idea of a “hate” crime never made sense to me. It's a type of "over kill" promoted by social justice activists to try and ensure that proper justice is served to those who commit crimes based on hatred of a "protected" group. Kind of like how the cops who were found not guilty for the beating of Rodney King were later charged by the Federal government for violating his civil rights. I don't think there were "hate crime" charges available at that time but being charged with violating a person's civil rights was "back up plan" the Federal prosecutors could use to go after somebody they knew were guilty as sin but for some reason "got off". Civil rights leaders hoped that by adding these extra layers of laws to the charge...it would prevent racists from getting off scott free on technicalities or being found not guilty by racist jurors.

I think the ADOS and now the more refined FBA movement is headed in the right direction and will make our identity stronger and better. I think colorism COULD be an issue in some pro-FBA circles. Featurism seems to be. A common insult is calling someone African or non-FBA because of their hairline...lol. Other than that..... I see a resurgence of Black Americans taking pride in themselves and our culture thanks to the efforts of Tariq Nasheed, Phil Scott, and others. As far as not having friends among other groups...... I look at it as less about friendship and more of an alliance. If we prove to these other groups that we have something of benefit to offer them, I think they will come running to us offering friendship and alliance politically and socially. And ofcourse we can get what we need and want from them as we see fit.

You're expecting a man who can "step" right....but I DIVE into women, lol. They say I dive into them deeper than a Chicago DEEP DISH. And I'm more filling....lol.

That was straight up cryptic....lol. The realest shit I've read from you in a while HB!

If you're the vessel it's coming through....it probably will be, lol.

You may be missing the distinction between "information" and "knowledge". Whether someone is being TAUGHT by someone else; or is studying a particular type of "teachings" or philosophy on their own....it's irrelevant if the information is false.

frankster No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours. Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health? A degree in What?????... the question remains unanswered. Well, I know of atleast ONE question that has been answered. Whether or not he has a Doctor's Degree: The answer is YES Dr Clarke Having a degree is no evidence of him accepting race as a reality Who said it was? Yes it does So since Sean Penn kissed (and does more than that actually) a man in the movie "Milk" about a gay politician; that means Sean Penn is a homosexual?

I offer old ladies a down payment on their HIP REPLACEMENT if they catch feelings and try to get down with the Bed-Rocker-Anytime-Knocker...LOL.

That's WHY I give Sly props for looking him in the eye at close range and unblinkingly saying what he said. He knew he was a talented trained fighter and could have mopped that stage up with all of them men combined, but Sly stood his ground and said what he wanted....to everybody. High or not, that took heart.

Troy OK so how do you explain the concept of "passing" in our society. It's easily explained. They get a pass from some and not from others. Passing isn't an official government designation, it's a "social construct" for real. Unlike traditional racial categories, it's not even recognized by social scientists. Passing wouldn't be a thing if all you had to do is look at someone to determine their race. Depending on how race in a society is defined, how they look may be all that QUALIFIES them to be a member of a particular race. In ancient India, race was strictly divided BY color...literally. The Caste system is called the "Varna" or "color" system. I'm glad you've finally admitted that there is no genetic basic for race. When did I? frankster It is false because it is not grounded or derived from anything physical or biological. If race is grounded in color or other physical features, then it IS derived from that which is physical and biological. I can sit here and think and share with others the idea that @Pioneer1 is a fool some may agree with me.....would you agree or disagree that that idea is true or false? Only a REAL FOOL would attempt to answer that one, lol. Yes it can seem that way stick with it we will unravel it. It appears a little TOO "sticky" for a brutha to get near it. How about I stand back and let YOU unravel that ball of yarn...lol. Yes ......Two types of Melanin You tell me the differences? My explanation is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that there are two different types of melanin which means the same genes are NOT responsible for all skin colors. Right?

I'm so proud of that era. ....especially when I look at Black people from other parts of the world like Africans, who DID NOT have "Black Pride" or "Black Power" movement. Many of them are still stuck in colorism and self-hatred. I remember back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s when colorism was almost non-existent in the AfroAmerican community. If it's creeping back up again, it's not from us....but from OTHER people of color who are bringing it here and it an applying it to many in our community.

Me too. I remember the first time I saw it years ago I liked the exchange between the two because it reminded me so much of what I saw in barbershops growing up. I was reading the comments in Youtube under the video and on here waiting on someone to BRING UP how Sly told Ali to get his hands out of his face. And he looked serious and unblinking when he did it....lol. Straight up "g" move.....lol. I have to give Sly props just for that alone. ....although by his eyes he looked like he was high and "stoned" for real, during the show.

Troy You boycott ALL Dollar Trees or just that ONE store?

LOL.... What about that White woman in the Dollar Tree who gave you and your friend drama over not having ID to buy some wine? Is SHE a "sista", now???

You shouldn't. They should be allowed to make their own choice without the added psychological burden of being made to feel guilty over that choice. But in the vast majority of cases, the survival instinct remains the strongest instinct in human beings.

Troy Can’t explain why there’s no DNA test for race can you? You won’t even entertain the question…. Why? ....when race isn't DEFINED by DNA tests or any other biological test???? Did you read the DEFINITION of the word "race", posted in the other thread? If not, here it is: It says nothing about "DNA tests" being needed to figure out somebody's race...lol. All you have to do is LOOK at them (their physical characteristics) to determine their category based on HOW a society chooses to categorize them. Is it because you don’t like the conclusion that it forces you to draw YOU'RE forcing me to draw the conclusion that all of the definitions, links, and proof of race and racial differences that I provide for you....are going to be ignored by you because your DIAL is stuck on the same channel/station, lol.

You care...lol. That's why you keep inquiring and trying to figure out exactly what I mean when I SAY what I SAY. You know what's up.

So if EVERYBODY ran around calling themselves "Black"....you wouldn't argue against it?

Just because a person is eventually going to die.....doesn't mean they have to RUSH it, lol. I still find it hard to believe Mr. Fuller took that shot. If I hadn't heard him say it out of his own mouth....I wouldn't have believed it.

ProfD I think Trump is going to pull some strings to keep him in there. Just like he pulled a few strings to push Cuomo out of the way. Besides.......... Although I'm not a New Yorker, I trust Adams being in that seat more than I trust this Mamdani dude I know next to nothing about. From what I've read he was born of Indian parents in Uganda. Sounds like typical foreign colonizers who come in to take advantage of the African people.

...interesting how nature waited over 90 years and decided to "cause" his death right after he took that hot-shot.

frankster We are not in competition but those who believe we are behave as if we are.....And so created a social condition of desperation. This idea of Competition is based in or on the false idea of scarcity. Perhaps YOU may not be in competition with them, but THEY are in competition with you!

I said....what I said.

Do you SERIOUSLY think that man is going to leave office? Voluntarily?