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Troy Pioneer don't share that theory with anyone else Wasn't planning to, lol. My aim was to share it with YOU, and subsequently you'd start teaching it to your students as an actual science until or unless proven otherwise. If you did me that one SOLID, I'd sure appreciated it....lol.

Sight is one of humanities greatest gifts and we who have it should be thankful. I sincerely wish you a successful surgery and a quick and successful recovery.

People often confuse CRIMINALITY with MORALITY. They mistakenly believe that if something is illegal that must mean it's immoral, and vice versa. Instead of recognizing that laws are MAN MADE and many laws are unjust and totally unnecessary. .....which means many people who are labled "criminals" for repeatedly breaking those laws may indeed be decent people who are victims of an unfair system. A good example of what I'm talking about are the change in the marijuana laws. You have thousands of Black people who are in prison today because at one time dealing weed was ILLEGAL. But now that it is LEGAL a lot of White people doing the exact same thing are getting rich and their freedom isn't in jeopardy.

The sad thing is....... Most Black youth who are inclind toward criminality aren't "testing" these cops. Sadly, I don't think they know any better and pretty much aren't smart enough to stay out of trouble or avoid confrontation. Imagine a bunch of squirrels darting in and out of the street ducking and dodging cars, some of them get hit while others make it across the road. To humans of higher intelligence what they're doing doesn't make sense, but to THEM they don't see any other options or alternatives. Over 20 years ago I did security at an apartment complex and I was amazed at how blazen and frankly stupid a lot of those (many who were actually older than me) who were engaging in criminal behavior were. Many sold drugs openly despite the fact that cameras were all over the place. Others stood around begging and harassing people for money. Some would see bikes laying on the ground or on the grass and after a few looks around would pick the bikes up and try to walk off or ride off with them and this often would lead to fights from the owners but the fact that so many people would steal without planning or seriously trying to conceal their activities were amazing. It's almost like they either WANTED to go to jail or just simply didn't think about that aspect. And then the police would come............. I was doing security but I had to shake my head at what I'd see. I actually felt sorry for most of the people who were getting in trouble because they clearly had mental or intellectual problems that I think went beyond the drug and alcohol problems many had. You KNOW the police don't like you and are armed yet you stand their cussing and arguing with 4 or 5 police officers and even try to run away! Many people would get arrested basically for nothing but much of it was THEIR FAULT. People see the police engaging with someone over an incident and would come out of their unit and instead of monitoring the situation which is legal and what citizens should do.....they'd start jumping in and trying to tell the officers what to do and even touching them and end up getting arrested and hauled off themselves! What was even dumber was that often times they'd come down high with drugs either in their pockets or even in their hands! But these weren't community activists, these were people who are drunk and high and just had some weird crazy idea to come down and meddle in with what the cops were doing. And that was just one experience. Ofcourse many police officers do a lot of criminal and underhanding things. But that security job taught me a lot about how a lot of Black people THEMSELVES often get themselves in trouble with the police doing stupid shit and they really should know better than to do.

This just goes back to the discussion we were having months ago about subtle racism and being able to recognize it. I remember on an episode of The View a few weeks ago Whoopi Goldberg went off on Deray and others who accused the new Apes movie of subliminal racism and said they were crying wolf and grasping for straws. Many of our people simply can't think "deep" enough to recognize how subliminal messages and subtle language as well as dog whistles are used to demean them and influence the image the public has about them. They just can't see it......until someone points it out to them. And even once it's pointed out many of our people are still not smart enough to recognize it and accept it. Actually I believe that apes actually came FROM HUMANS...lol. I can't really prove it but I have this idea that somehow when we were more scientifically advanced Africans mixed human genes with monkeys (the little simians with tails) and through that combination we made APES (gorillas, chimps, ect.....). But when you really look at apes, you can find aspect of thier physique that can be applied to all races.

Troy I believe the grammar among Black people in the United States have devolved also. I watch some old footage of common Black people being interviewed back in the 50s and 60s and even poor and working class Black people seemed to have a better pride in how they talked and used better grammar than most of the youth today. But this devolution of Black grammar is different than "Black Slang" which are the words we invent to convey our thoughts which is also different than "Ebonics" which is our style and structure of speech or it's syntax. The professor NEVER said a word to me! But felt it perfectly OK to talk about me with the other white people, in my absence. I was angered by this, but trust me I never EVER mispronounced that word again. That's what they do! Often times when White people have a problem with you OR OTHER BLACK PEOPLE they may may not say anything to your face about it, but they'll turn right around and rattle on and on about it to other White people. And this is one of the things I try to get across to other Black people, especially younger Black people and how they conduct themselves in public. Noticing this for years I've come to the conclusion that there can only be 2 reasons for this: 1. They fear the reaction of Black people if they decide to call them on errors they make in speech and behavior. or. 2. They secretly RELISH observing Black people making errors in public because they feel it makes them look better or superior. Cynique Not only has cursive (or as my Father used to call it "writing") become nearly extinct among many young people, a friend of mine who is a social worker and had to take SHORT-HAND told me most of the youth she works with hadn't even heard of the term before. But aren't you glad you went to school in AMERICA where you can study the English language and grammar all you want in a nice air conditioned room with your own desk and books with no one bothering you or "affecting" your studies? Be honest........

Saw WFTPOTA a few days ago and it wasn't a bad flick. I personally liked the original more low budget sagas of the 60s and early 70s much better, but this modern trilogy wasn't too bad. But I must say, there was so many subliminal messages in that movie it was disturbing. Deray McKesson and Tariq Nasheed caught a little heat from saying that the movie had racist undertones in it but I have to agree with them whole heartedly that the movie was subtly racist. My only issue with Deray and Tariq is that they used to weakest points to make their case like one of the characters wearing a blue vest. Hell, there were about 10 or 15 stronger points in this movie that would support any claims of racism aimed at it. We don't really need to grasp for straws. Let's start with some of the soldiers wearing signs that read, "The only good ape is a dead ape". That line was clearly lifted from older racist rhetoric from the Jim Crow era. Or the fact that they kept the apes in concentration camps. That wasn't a part of the original movie of the 70s, the apes had their own government. In this one they basically make them slaves and holocaust victims giving it more racial undertones. The female apes often wore beads in their hair for decoration.....and most of us know Black girls tend to wear beads in their hair for decoration. There are so many subliminally racist messages in the movie it ain't even funny.

　 Troy We used to use solid synonymously with favor. As in, "Ma Brother, would you do this solid." You know I actually forgot about that definition of it. I've heard it used that way a few times also. The problem with Black American culture is it's too unstable and constantly changing. As soon as you get used to a style of clothes or words, it changes 5-10 years later. Basically we keep a style or manner of speech for as long as it can remain among us, but as soon as White people learn and begin to adopt it....we change it up again to throw them off, lol. Cynique Black people have a very special relationship with the word "be". Maybe because it assures them that they really exist. So, - they "be", he "be" and do she "be"? Traveling around the nation, I've noticed that the use of "be" is pretty consistent in Black communities regardless of region. For example we'll say, "When them kids come to our house they be all over the place". Or, " She be playing the lottery every day and don't never win". But you never hear Black people say, "I can't talk because I be driving on the freeway right now". Or, "Do you be thirsty and want a drank of water?" Whether it's Detroit, New York, Mississippi, or Los Angeles we all seem to use similar rules of grammer. That's how I know the concept of EBONICS is legitimate.

So now the question is what are the Black people of Baltimore going to DO about White cops planting drugs on them. This is what I mean about the victim mentality and Black folks PLAYING the role of slaves and second class citizens. Black people too often LET other's do shit like that to them and then complain about how they're being treated or how unjust the system is when they have it within their own power to actually DO something about it. Baltimore is a Black city with a Black government. Why do White police officers feel comfortable enough to plant drugs on Black suspects and engage in other unethical activities? Simple. Because based on past experiences they're counting on most of the Blacks in charge to be either too stupid to figure out what's going on or too scared to do anything about it. So now let's see what comes of this.

Troy I've mentioned this before, but literature even when it's in the form of novels is a little too sophisticated for most AfroAmericans today. They have been "dumbed down" for the past 50 years and this is one of the reasons I believe your site doesn't have the traffic you expect. Most of our people like "gossip" sites where there's a lot of drama and fighting and conflict going on where they can let their emotions run free rather than use their intellect which most literature requires one to do. And ofcourse, when they don't come on and frequent it much.....they don't see a reason to support it finanically or otherwise. That's why I think you should organize OFF LINE with some other of your colleagues at your university as well as those you know personally and organize some Black intellectual groups or academic groups to maintain a culture of Black intellectualism. You can't really force it on the Black public in general, but if you create an environment where it is free to manifest and refine itself then it will attract the right type of people not only to your internet interests but to your social and financial interests in the real world. If I were highly educated one of the first things I'd do was form of group of AfroAmerican scholars and maintain close contact with eachother for the rest of our lives so that we'd always have a support base for future endeavors. 　 　 Cynique 　 jes happy dat dey they allowed some of us negroes to eke out a livin in dis glory land You do that quite well. I bet you learned to talk like that while auditioning for your role as victim of a bullshit nation that keeps her citicizens oppressed and enslaved.....but teaches them how to read and lets them go to school and work in the government.....lol. They say familiarity breeds contempt. Perhaps you don't like America because you haven't been to many other places to compare it to. I think you need to take a trip to central America and see how most of the Black people live THERE and maybe you'll have more appreciation for what few opportunities Black folks atleast have in the United States. Del How can there be unity, without respect.Your statements show that you want to replace one type of domination with another. A few points.......... 1. I have respect for Cynique not just because of her age but because of her sharp mind and wit, but my idea of respect and how it's displayed may be different than yours and how you do it. My morality and ethics don't always line up with that of general society, they are guided by my logic and experiences rather than public sentiment. For example, I don't think sexual or bodily function comments to females are disrespectful UNLESS they are done to female members of your own family. And vice versa.... I don't think a female joking with a male about sexuality or bodily functions are disrespectful UNLESS she's saying it to a male member of her own family. 2. I believe in unity, but CONDITIONAL unity. Meaning, I have no desire to unite with ALL AfroAmericans.....I want to unite with those of LIKE MIND who think similar to me and share similar goals. In that respect......I don't know if I want to unite with Cynique (or you for that matter) because I'm not sure what her (and your) goals are or what you all desire for AfroAmericans as a group. Ofcourse I'd like to "get along" with you and all of my people, but when it comes to working together or uniting....I have to know where you stand on certain issues before link myself with you. 3. I'm not sure what those two types of "domination" are you're speaking of that I want to replace one with another. You might have to clarify that one.

Troy The so called Eskimo, I heard somewhere has 20 different words for "snow," implying a more profound understanding in the differences in that form of precipitation. I know some snow is better at making snow balls that other types of snow. I call the former type of snow "packing snow." I just call the other type of snow..."snow." Black folks use the the word snow in a completely different context to mean a white person, but there is no real distinction in the meaning of the two words "snow" and "white," it is just slang or a funky way of speaking. 　 Your comparison is a bit faulty. You're comparing people who are using THEIR WORDS in THEIR LANGUAGE to convey their thoughts......with people who are using OTHER PEOPLE'S WORDS from OTHER PEOPLE'S LANGUAGE to convey their thoughts. The Inuit or Eskimos are people of color, and in most languages invented by people of color the meaning isn't just in the word but in the TONE of how the word is said. This is the case whether they are African, Asian, or Native American (Eskimos under this category). Most languages from Asia and Africa are TONAL, meaning they can use the same word but the tone you use it in will give it a totally different meaning. On the other hand, in most European languages like English and French each word supposedly has only one meaning and they're supposed to invent more words for newer concepts....but they've stopped so. Which is one of the reasons even WHITE PEOPLE have adopted the Black habit of using slang and giving the same words different meaning....because even they have ran out of ideas for new words, lol.. Blacks, Asians, and Native Americans (most Latinos) are an emotional people and we focus more on TONE than on words and this becomes a problem when we're forced to speak in European languages that limits the amount of words spoken. 　 　 @Pioneer1 since you brought it up why don't you explain what the words "Solid" and "Jive" mean, and how those concepts can not be expressed with English language. As I've said I'm not suggesting that meaning can't be lost in translation. I'm disputing is that much of what you are suggesting about Black slang is not the same thing (in the vast majority of cases). Perhaps you'll demonstrate and exception with your definition of "solid." Both "solid" and "jive" had several meanings because....again...there weren't ENOUGH words in the English language to properly convey the different type of thoughts and feelings we used those words to convey. I was born in the early 70s and remember a little bit of it but I'm sure you remember more of it than me and probably a bit of the 60s where the word "solid" was in heavy use. Speaking of "heavy"....that was another term we used....lol. However from what I remember of "solid" it meant: 1. A plan of action strongly agreed upon. 2. A subject of conversation strongly agreed upon 3. I remember brothers greeting eachother with a hand claspe and saying "solid" as a form of comradery. 4. I also remember brothers using the term to describe something well put together like a "solid" deal or a "solid" job. Now "jive" is interesting because although I'm no etymologist I believe it has it's origins in the English word "jibberish". White people had a habit of calling languages they didn't understand "jibberish" and Black people must have picked up on this and started calling the way they spoke to eachother "jive". Jiibberish-jibe-jive...... The meanings of Jive: 1. I've heard it used to mean someone was joking. 2. It meant that someone was bullshitting when they had a job to do like shucking and jiving. 3. I remember it being an all around term for something or someone not to be taken seriously or respected, especially when they added the suffix "ass" on the end of it...lol. Jive-ass this and jive-ass that....lol...e.i.. " that jive-ass lawyer".

Cynique Glad you finally realized that you're not qualified to set yourself up as a role model for me. I think you're mistaken. Not trying to sound sexist but.... Lol, why would I even ATTEMPT to be a role model for someone who can only urinate (properly) sitting down? Just pointing out the fact that as much as you probably hate to admit it, you don't disagree with me as much as you THINK you do. You're constantly repeating my assertions in your arguments WITH me....lol. Troy I've read the statistics about our collective buying power, but unless people are willing to spend with us, that buying power means nothing Racism indeed exists in the business community and I found this out doing sales. People do HATE on Black businesses...... Meaning they'll go out of their way NOT to do business with you even if you have a better product for a cheaper price just because they don't want to see you successful. But I don't think that's the majority. Most people...well over 75%....want to get quality product/service first and if they can get it paying less then that's what they'll go for. I've seen this desire OVER RIDE their racist inclinations. Having said that....... What are the REAL reasons most people who don't do business with Black people refuse to do so? Is it simply because we're Black? If that's the case...well...why do so many BLACK PEOPLE refuse to do business with other Black people? Self hate? OR...... Have the EXPERIENCES of most people Black and non-Black who have patronized Black businesses been somewhat negative and have colored their perceptions of Black businesses? Experiences like going into an establishment that is being ran by dysfunctional family members instead of qualified employees. Experiences like......the store not even being open half the time when it should be. Experiences like not being able to purchase the products that you love half the time because even when the business is open they're "out" of this and "out" of that. When was the last time you went to a Chinese resturant or an Arab owned liquor store and they were "out" of something? You bring up the old cliche about the White man's ice being colder. But I've found out after going into a few Black owned establishments that their ice often tends NOT to be as cold as the typical White establishment! Why? Because their fridges tend to be older, less effective, half the lights are off and it's making a loud sound and not keeping the merchandise as cold as it should. Why is the White man's sugar sweeter? Perhaps because it's fresher and not so old that it's hardened into a brick. People are creatures of habit because they learn from their experiences. I don't think most Black people or even most non-Black people SET OUT to avoid or destroy Black businesses, but if the service or product that Black business offers is inferior or non existent then most people are going to naturally patronize that which is superior and convenient for them. Yes White people have more money, but there are some things money can't buy. Laziness and indifference are problems Black people are going to have to solve on their own in order to properly run businesses that will be decent enough for people to patronize. Much of the same scenarios can be applied to Black businesses online such as websites. I have to give it to you Troy...this is a wonderful and properly ran website which is one of the reasons why I've frequented it so long. But many Black ran sites I've been on they only have one or two Black people posting, and the rest are racist trolls who have more to say than Black posters....lol. Many Black businesses have given up owning their own websites period and just throw everything on facebook. Another form of laziness and indifference. Why have so many Black BOOK STORES went out of business across America? Some of it is the fault of Black people who would rather gossip on social media than walk their ass into a store, grab a book, and read. Much of it is because of lack of thoughtful ways by Black bookstores to keep the public interested enough to walk through their doors. It's not America's fault nor is it totally the fault of American racism....it's Black laziness and ineptitude.

Cynique Of course, anybody born in America is technically a citizen of this country and, as such, you are entitled to believe what you want about where this places you in the scheme of things. But you are not qualified to tell me that i should emulate you and love and revere this country where equal justice under the law is a myth and where the system is stacked against the poor and underprivileged, and this mean black folks;it also means the black president who white Republicans blocked at every turn and who was the main reason angry white bigots elected your boy, Trump. We don't agree on this subject and i suggest you leave it at that Since you just reluctantly made MY POINT....well I guess I CAN leave it at that....lol. Troy @Pioneer1, are you joking?! What percentage of the population do Black folks make up of America? Compare that to the percentage of property or business ownership. ((Pioneer rests his elbows on the table, claspes his hands, and looks thoughtfully into the distance)) Troy, you know what I think we SHOULD do? I think perhaps we should stop worrying so much about how much wealth other people have and start focusing more on how much wealth WE can attain for ourselves! Yes Black people own a disproportionately small amount of land and wealth in this nation for their population, but who's fault is it? Chinese who live OUTSIDE of America probably own more property around this nation than the Black folks who live here. Pointing to a bunch of old White men in suits and how much wealth and power they have or what percentage they hold is good reference material, but practically speaking it's pretty much futile. What's stopping wealthy Blacks from pooling their money and connections together and building a shopping mall? Credit union? Manufacturing plant? However little we got, we DO have the means to compound and increase what little we DO have with some concentrated effort and motivation.

Cynique The reason black people didn't know their history was because they didn't read what was written about it. The knowledge was there, it just had to be pursued. During the Harlem Renaissance, back in the '20s, the black literati knew about African civilizations, especially about the Moors. Most Black people in the 20s thought the Black race was Black due to a curse on Ham and they saw Africa as a jungle of savages that they had to distance themselves from. Besides, most Black people were functionally illiterate back in the 20s. How could they have read what was there when most couldn't even read PERIOD? Expecting them to sit down in a book store and educate themselves on Black history or go down to the local community college and enroll themselves in a Black studies course would be absured. It took honorable men like Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad to come along, instill pride in them, and teach them better. 　 　 　 Troy plenty of English words to convey the meaning of fronting, including the word "fronting," Mispronunciation of words is another matter. Well what English word would you use to convey the full meaning of Black American 70s terms like "jive" or "solid"? It would take you an entire paragraph to explain the full meaning of the word "jive" alone and how it's used in each context. Infact, the complaint I constantly hear from many Latinos is that there are words in Spanish that can't even be properly translated in English because there is no equivalent in English thought. I've heard the same thing from Africans. The English language is not old enough nor sophisticated enough to handle the emotional and intellectual complexities of Black people which is why we have to constantly invent slang and add our own definition to words that already exist. The "n word" is a good example of this. The original word with the "er" at the end has a totally different meaning used by most young people today pronounced with an "a" at the end. Same word.....but a different pronouciation changes the meaning. The same can be said for the words "brother" or "sister".

Like the old saying goes, all it takes for evil to thrive in the world is for good men to stand by and do nothing. The violence in Chicago and other urban areas will end when GOOD Black men stand up, organize, march into the ghetto and END it. Thousands of Black babies are being born every day in the ghettos of America to replace those who are killed or hooked on dope....... Which basically means this madness could easily go on for another 100 years if nothing is actively done BY US to stop it. Many have been calling for a civil war in the Black community between Black folks and "n**gas" . I read the history of China and how they had a civil war among themselves to rid themselves of the negative element that was plaguing them for much of the 18th, 19th, and early 20th centuries. And like Black America, China had a problem with drugs, crime, stupidity, and immorality until a bunch of Chinese men led by Mao stood up and decided to rid themselves of the cancer that was spreading and now China is one of the strongest most organized and most feared nations on this planet.

They didn't come right out and say the cop who shot her was Black at first, but I figured it was a Black police officer by the way the media was covering the story from the jump. First of all they kept pointing on all the things the cops did wrong like not having their body cameras on. Usually they start off blaming the victim and giving the police account of what happened, but THIS time they were strangely "objective". Being objective and stating only facts? That's SO unlike the American media....lol. Then they started showing more and more pictures of the victim smiling and hugged up with loved ones. No mug shots or crazy photos of her throwing up gang signs.....all nice empathetic pictures to draw the sympathy of the public. I also thought it was a little strange that in most police shootings the media reported the police officer's narrative about what happened but this time the media for some strange reason didn't have the cop's side of the story; or if they did have it they weren't putting it out. Once they made the public fall in love with the victim and painted the cop as some mysterious dark figure.....WHAMM.....they release the fact that he's Black. I think the MEDIA is more responsible for making this a racial story than the police officer or the victim because they clearly held back information in order to build up the story. They did the same thing with the 4 missing men in Pennsylvania. They knew these young men were dead and buried even when they were reporting them as "missing". A lot of people go missing but they don't make it national news so I knew they had more information than they were releasing.

After years of just seeing it in book stores, I finally got a chance to read Assata's book last year and was captivated by her story. What got me was how attractive she was (and still is). All through out the book I was fantasizing about what it would be like to struggle with a sister so intelligent and beautiful like Assata by your side. Not only is the GOP in trouble, all of the politicians are in trouble because the SYSTEM is collapsing. Western civilization is collapsing. I believe Trump was put in office to HURRY UP this collapse. If Hillary had got in office she would have done the same thing Obama did...."patch up" things and keep the system chugging and puffing along a little longer. What we as Black people in the United States should be doing is building self sustaining communities that will get us through the turmoil and simultaneously working out plans to build a brand NEW civilization to take the place of this one after it's inevitable collapse.

I used to say the same thing about White people. When I was a teenager me and my friends would go to the mall or from store to store filling out job applications and the thing I noticed was that nearly all the White men were working but I hadn't seen any of them filling out a job application. I'd see Black people, Latinos, even White women filling out applications. But when it came to White men....they were usually the ones TAKING them but not filling them out. It's that "good ole boy" networkd of being recommended for positions by friends in high places.

Cynique Didn't Troy say this site is liable to be banned from Google if you keep saying the n-word? Stop cussing and pay attention before you get the site shut down.....lol. Your gratitude is misdirected. Troy's action was a calm decision motivated by propriety, not rage. Regardless as to his state of mind when he made the decision, Sara's words STILL caused a reaction....they moved him into taking action. So again, that would be a good example...one of many....of how words can force people into action. Troy Words don't have meaning, only people do. Martin Luther King has passed away. Did his words and speeches pass with him? Those who authored the U.S. Constitution have died. Has the document (words) they authored centuries ago died too? You've dedicated your life to promoting the culture of Black literature. Black poets and authors use WORDS as a means to express their talents, creativity, and deepest inner most thoughts. But if...in the end...words are meaningless. Are you really saying that you're promoting people of no real substance?

Cynique and Troy To say America doesn't belong to us is a fallacy. Parts of America actually DO belong to us. Black people own property in America. Black people own businesses in America. Black people own radio and television programs and are featured on them. We have media outlets at our disposal. Black people hold positions of authority in America from Mayors, Congressional members, Police Chiefs, Judges, Prosecutors on every level.... So we actually HAVE property, wealth and authority....not as much as Whites....but we DO have it. I keep saying it over and over again, one of the problems with Black people is that we usually don't exercise what little authority we DO have. When you get used to playing the role of victim and slave letting other people just do whatever they want to you without exercising the power you do have....you're gonna get that little bit taken away from you soon. Black people actually had more wealth and power in America back in the 70s and early 80s than we do today! We had more Black businesses in the 70s than we do today. They lost most of it because they got lazy and satisfied and refused to use it to their collective benefit. For example, Troy you said Black people have a right to justice but don't often get it......... Look at D.C. and parts of Maryland. Look at how many Blacks are in positions of authority in law enforcement from police officers to prosecutors to judges to corrections officers. Who's MAKING them hold to and enforce the unjust laws that keep so many Black people locked up and locked out of society in the D.C. and Baltimore area? Black people are in authority in that region. If they wanted to, they could....with a lot of wrangling....tear down the old laws and build new ones more beneficial to themselves and their community. But they refuse to do so. Instead they maintain the same judicial and law enforcement structure the White officials before them started even though it clearly works against them and their people. They'll complain about "the system" being unjust and not working all day long but at the end of the day they uphold that same system. Cynique talks about immigrants coming to this nation and being treated better than Blacks. Again, this is what I mean by the "slave mentality" and thinking like a victim. There was little we could do about it prior to the 60s, but in 2017 why are Black people ALLOWING immigrants from all over the world to flood into the United States and jump over them economically? Why are Blacks in Los Angeles letting Latinos drive them out of the neighborhood? Why are Blacks in Atlanta letting other immigrants push them out and take jobs? Other groups would riot and have all types of fits and shut down the airports if the same thing were being done to THEM....but Black folks just stand around WATCHING other people take action without taking any of their own. If you're too afraid to stand at the airport and block the planes full of immigrants from landing, then don't complain about them taking your jobs and jumping over you economically. "America" isn't the reason why so many of these immigrant groups are doing better than Blacks, it's the fact that rather than seeing them as competition and forcing them go to back home.....Black people PATRONIZE their businesses and support their wealth. Again, we can't blame America or racism for some things.....the silly victim mentality of the negro is largely to blame for most of his problems. The problem isn't that we're non-Americans TRYING to be Americans. The real problem is that we're Americans who DON'T ACT like Americans.

I may be wrong but I don't believe Elijah Muhammad taught that Africa was the cradle of civilization. I believe he taught that Black people who were already on this planet in Asia WENT DOWN into Africa thousands of years ago and began a new form of civilization and that's where modern Africans came from. Many in the Nation of Islam believe that true Black civilization actually DEVOLVED or DEGENERATED when a segment of it went down into Africa. Most people only get Black history that starts with Blacks being slaves in the United States (let alone other nations in the Americas). More advanced students begin to learn of our history when we were in Africa. But very few learn about what we had BEFORE we were in Africa. If you are going to create black science you will also need to o create a language. Since language limits thinking. You're right in that certain languages like ENGLISH limits one's thinking. One of the reason Black people invented "Ebonics" and speak so much slang and continue to invent new definitions of old words in the English language is because this language is so limited and our intellect and emotions are so complex that there are few if any words in the English language that can actually capture the full meaning of how we feel or what thoughts were're trying to convey. For example, the word "front" already had a meaning in English. But since we didn't know of a word in English to describe someone who pretends to be something they're not or pretends to feel a certain way they don't we had to invent one called "frontin".....lol. "Man stop frontin'......" , lol. Who else but Black Americans would know what we mean by "Bebe's Kids"....lol. I haven't really studies African languages so I don't know how thorough they are at capturing African thought and concept, and really I don't know if learning an African language would be appropriate today anyway since we have been exposed to so much more in this modern world than the limited world that traditional African languages were developed in. But I believe a new language could be invented that adequately captures the complexities of African intellect and emotion.

Well, I'll probably just have to see (listen) for myself. This younger generation's ideas of "pro-Black" and being nationalist is markedly different than those of previous generations. In past generations, one incident of mistreatment of a Black person by the police would spark riots in which entire neighborhoods burn for 4 and 5 days and blocks and blocks of businesses were destroyed. Today, Black men and women are shot down every week and these kids think they're doing something if they refuse to stand during the National Anthem. 30 or 40 of them tweet eachother and decide to block a major freeway and they think that's "revolutionary". They call TUPAC a Black nationalist and revolutionary and most of he rapped about was smoking dope, getting drunk, and being violent towards other Black people. So I have to take a lot of what they say with a grain of salt. But this isn't he first time Jay Z has pumped what some may consider pro-Black lyrics. I remember years ago in a song called "What More Can I Say" he said: "Now you know yo ass is willie when they got you in a mag For half a billi and our ass ain't lily White That shit you write must be illy" And don't forget he is also a 5 Percenter which is a splinter group from the Nation of Islam. At the core of their teachings is a pro-Blackness and the belief that Black men are gods. They used to even great eachother, "what up god" 　 I have to admit though, even the very title 4:44 is a bit of a turn off.....lol. It would be different if it were 11:59 or even 11:55, atleast it would make you think something big was impending. But 4:44? Whatever is coming seems to be a mightly long ways away.....lol.

Cynique Thanks for providing a good example of how a word (or two words) were strong enough to move someone into action they never thought they'd take. Just like Troy felt Sara crossed a line and moved him to take action....instead of ignoring it as "just mere words"......both you and Troy SHOULD understand from this example how my friend's word could have move me to the point of action that almost got him seriously injured....lol. The law recognizes such things as FIGHTING WORDS for a reason. Troy Pioneer do you think Bill Maher should have lost his program over his use of the word? He is white and he used the n-word on television no less. No, for 2 reasons: 1. He called HIMSELF that....not anyone else and especially not a Black person. 2. Given his record of opposing right-wing bigotry and attacking racists (atleast in the media) as far as I'm concerned he gets a pass from me. But I can't speak for other Black people. The late George Carlin would have gotten one from me too....lol.

I learned a while back that in Western society the term "middle class" isn't just in reference to income or economic status but also includes educational attainment and profession. Plumbers and electricians may be pulling in $75,000 a year but they aren't considered "middle class" but working class. On the other hand, a school teacher with a Master's degree barely making $30,000 a year IS considered part of the middle class because of her degree and profession. It didn't make a lot of sense to me at first, I thought it should be strictly tied with income or wealth. But the older I get and observe things the more I understand that "class" is not just economic but social (socio-economic). As I said before, I'm working class or what some may consider poor. However I don't feel too bad about my income status because I didn't go to college. But if I went to school and earned a Masters degree, or even a Bachelors....and didn't pull in atleast $75,000 within 10 years.....I would have been mad enough to kill somebody! To me, that type of study and sacrifice should come with some sort of guarantee of wealth. I couldn't see myself doing what some of these kids are doing getting all of this education just to work at Starbucks or Panera Bread for just above minimum wage. I'd start a revolution or something.....lol. As far as the wealth we get from our businesses and doing what we love. I found out Troy that a lot of White people are actually getting most of their wealth from the federal government. Many of them are using non-profit status for grants, others are getting money funneled to them from friends inside the government who fund their businesses and business projects, including those online. For example, They'll start a website claiming to promote "history" books and authors who specialize in history and the Department of Education somehow funnels money down the line to them and they end up being subsidized hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to to waste while you're struggling with ads, donations, and grants just to stay afloat. This is yet another reason we should embrace our American citizenship. When we recognize this is OUR nation and have just as much of a right to the billions and trillions of dollars this nation has as those who've been receiving and wasting it for decades, then we'll start sending Black politicians to Washington with the purpose of siphoning some of that money BACK down to us and our businesses. Imagine AALBC federally contracted to be offered in every public highschool or community college in this nation and getting millions from it.

Kind of shakes your faith in the arrogance of the scientific community which tends to regard itself as infallible. It didn't shake MY faith in the "scientific community" because I didn't have too much faith in them to begin with. I told you all that I didn't trust Western science or academics and that we as Black people need to develop OUR OWN institutions in order to uncover the truth and REAL science and medicine....and you call it ridiculous.....foolish. Now some White dude comes on talking about pyramids and ancient cities and you think the veil has finally been lifted...lol. Elijah Muhammad was teaching this stuff 80 years ago! He said that Black people were the original people of this planet and had been ruling it and building great cities and civilizations.....much greater than what we have today....for millions of years BEFORE White people even existed. First they tried to deny it and limited everything in history to fit within the 6000 years of the Biblical reference. Now that they're discovering ancient ruins hundred of thousands of years old and bones millions of years old, now they want to claim SPACE ALIENS must have built these monuments....lol. We better build colleges and universities of our own and teach our own children REAL history instead of going by his-story of what happened.