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Queen X There's nothing wrong with a black man crying because he's elated. Now sis...... You know good and well something is WRONG with a grown man who comes on television snotting and stuttering and crying like that...lol. Especially if nobody died or got hurt. Dan More Blacks voted for President Trump than any other Republican candidates. Even more than Ulysses S. Grant?

It's not in the scripture. That's one of the problems with Christianity......the scriptures say ONE thing while the religion teaches ANOTHER.

Troy You write in the last thread that T.D. Jakes schooled her That wasn't me, that was Gibran. I didn't know exactly WHO taught her...but I could easily see that she was coached by somebody and didn't just pick it up from simply watching. She doesn't seem like the smartest person in the world based on the few videos I've seen of her. She most likely was tutored. I attended a TD Jake's service in Dallas one. The "church" is an arena. I've been there before too. If I remember correctly it's on the south side of Dallas, in the middle of a ghetto. It's called the POTTERS HOUSE. Another huge and very nice church that I said if I was a church goer I'd love to attend is the Crenshaw Christian Center in Los Angeles. Jakes appeals to people on a very emotional level. People around me were in tears -- seriously. The power he has over people is powerful. Many people need what he gives them. T.D. Jakes has powerful CHARISMA. He has great oratory skills and knows how to move people easily....but his natural charisma still overpowers the audience. I bet hecould snap his fingers and point in your direction and have even the old ladies beating you down if he so desired.....lol. The appeal of Trump is no different. Trump has charisma too. Not quite as much as Jakes....he can't speak as well as T.D., lol. Trump's charisma helped make him a billionaire and it helped get him in the White house and it may very well KEEP him in the White house well past his appointed time if enough of his followers decide not to give up. If Trump was to announce tonight that he has NO INTENTION of leaving....I guarantee you there would be MILLIONS in the streets ready to fight for him! That's the power and influence he has. Not everyone can do this -- even if they know how. It does take a skill and some measure of psychopathy to be able to exploit someone in that manner. They say pimpin' and easy; if you have a conscious it is very difficult. Most pimps and politicians are very charismatic. At some point in life.....usually in childhood....very charismatic people recognize that they have the power to get people to do whatever they want them to do. They recognized that for some reason...usually unknown to them....people just LIKE them and want to be their friend and will follow them off a cliff. Most charismatic people use that to their advantage....some for good like Marcus Garvey and Martin Luther King, others for bad like Jim Jones and Hitler. I've been around Mafia members who used to congregate at an old hotel I worked in and many of them had charisma.....lol.

Troy I didn't know that about Langston until you just told me. If I were to only read your posts, no....you don't sound like most people I've met from Harlem (Like Sa Neter and Brother Polight). But in the couple of videos where I've heard you speaking you DO sound like a typical New Yorker. That Bugs Bunny accent so many have.

I removed my post and made YOURS irrelevant.

Daniel You demonstrate you don’t understand the premise of Christianity. It doesn’t matter what you think. Well I know the basic premise of Christianity..... According to it's basic tenets, as long as you say and believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior you are forgiven of your sins and will be saved. That pretty tells people they can kill, rob, rape, and commit all other manner of evil including ENSLAVING OTHER PEOPLE and still be spared from damnation through "the blood". Is there something I'm missing?

From Adam...to Noah....to the Children of Yacub (Israel) in Babylon............ The Old Testament books of the Bible are just a compilation of the early exploits of the Caucasian race....especially in the Middle East. It starts off with a group of Beings (Us/We) making Adam. Adam is not the first man; he's the first Caucasian. And you follow the journey of him and his descendants as they interact with the Original peoples of the planet that they came across for time spans of thousands of years. "Thus we come to CONQUER in the name of our Lord!"

Daniel The Gospel is simple and was spread by word of mouth. Most lies are. Until those responsible for it figure out a better way to deceive the people. The necessary components are recognition and repentance. Says who? Did JESUS say that, or did those who intended to corrupt his message and use that corruption to exploit the masses, say it? When you go before people and say that their behavior doesn't matter....all they have to do is repent and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.....you're basically giving them a LICENSE to commit all kinds of evil. This is why there is so much chaos in many Black communities across the globe. They believe their being "saved" permits them to be wicked.

When I was in the Church I used to believe that also. I used to wonder WHY did a person have to go to Seminary school and get "man's education" in order to become a minister or priest. But when I realized that the Bible was translated from Latin and Greek and has a history of being re-interpreted, mis-interpreted, having books added and taken out and that Christianity itself has a long history of going through revolutions and reforms.....I realized why this was necessary. Most Christians are just READING the Bible and assuming it means one thing.....not realizing it means something totally different in it's ORIGINAL script/language.

Dan, before we get into your questions I would like to point out that THIS is Tom Reiss: Tom Reiss This is the elitist, snobbish looking, devil....going around stirring up trouble and conflict between the Africans of the United States (ADOS) and the Africans of the Continent. Why should we pay attention to ANYTHING this mischief making DEVIL has to say? That said............ Just because someone is a devil, doesn't mean ALL of the information they offer is invalid. Dan My questions are “Will there be an effort to reconcile these issues in the quest for reparations?” When WE (ADOS) take over the land and begin to issue JUSTICE all over the planet. And “What are Blacks in America do to stop the current Slavery which is going on?” Not NEARLY as much as we SHOULD and COULD be doing. Infact, I don't believe the vast majority of AfroAmericans even KNOW that it's still going on over there. And even if they did I don't think many would care. There are plenty of AfroAmericans in congress who could pass bills and use their power to INVESTIGATE what's going on overthere and there are plenty of AfroAmericans in the military who could go over there and put an end to it. But it's BLACK STUPIDITY that is holding up that process. Too many of our people are TOO STUPID to even acknowledge what's going on...let alone actually do something about it.

Most people don't know that Dr. Sebi was actually LATINO. He was born and raised in Honduras and spoke fluent Spanish. I notice that the actual AUTHOR of the book is Beverly Oliver....not Dr. Sebi himself. So I wonder how much of it will be HIS actual perspective as opposed to her interpretation.

White people are NOTORIOUS for that. They are well known for being from the suburbs but CLAIMING to be from some tough hard urban area. I believe they do it for street credibility. What bothers me is when no one CALLS them on it, but are quick to call another Black person over the slightest fib.

I think where you're actually from matters IF YOU'RE LYING about it. If you aren't from Detroit, why claim it? What's the purpose...unless you're deliberately trying to deceive the public. I'm not from New York. What do I look like running around telling everybody I'm from St. Albans or Soundview.....doesn't make any sense. The purpose is to CONFUSE and DECEIVE the people by making you think he's something that he's not. Just like that Pastor Paula White.....White Supremacists know how to carefully CRAFT an image in order to deceive the masses. It's like adding a particular ingredient to a recipe..........maybe you don't THINK it matters....but it matters tremendously.

Del I have no doubt that he loves Rap....most Caucasians love and worship our creativity even if they don't love where it came from! More often than not, they don't love it as much as they want to INCORPORATE it and take it over! That's why you often find Caucasians who know the lyrics to certain songs and the entire background behind it better than the Black folks who jam and dance to it. We just love the music...but the Caucasian wants to ANALYZE it so he can MASTER it! As far as money and power........... Black rappers usually start off in poverty so they see rap as a means to attain success and wealth. Most White rappers....like most White people in general...start off with PLENTY of money so they can focus more on the "finer" things in life like music, art, wine-tasting, ect....since money isn't a worry. When you have plenty of money and power, you can get reeeaaaaal deep because you don't have anything else to spend your time on doing, lol. Never the less, what I said about him LYING about his origins....not by accident but deliberately....stands.

Eminem is a great MC....I can't take that away from him. They looked and looked and searched and searched until they FOUND a good White rapper. My problem is that he CLAIMS the city of Detroit....where he's NOT from. He's from Kansas. I grew up around nothing BUT Black people and noticed how the media went out of their way to make Michigan and especially Detroit look like some haven for White people. Growing up seeing New York and Los Angeles getting so much attention for their Black populations and music while Detroit's was ignored was already a sore spot...and to promote Eminem as a "Detroit rapper" when he was actually from Kansas was like putting salt in the wound, lol. To illustrate my point.............. What if THIS man was going around saying he was a "Bronx Comedian"? "So I took the subway to my trailer park and a funny thing happened...." Being actually FROM The Bronx and knowing what the people there look and act like, how would YOU feel about this?

This is a "spin off" of the thread that our brother Gibran started about Paster Paula White......one of the more well known interlopers who is getting rich off of imitating the style of AfroAmericans. I want you all to take a look at her style of preaching and her body language Look at how she sways from side to side and bounces while preaching. Look at the white tennis shoes with the tight jeans and color contrasts. She's clearly trying to ATTRACT and CHARM the mostly Black audience and get them under her spell as she preaches in a certain cadence. She learned all of this from AfroAmerican preachers.....not just through close observation....but from those who were more than happy to teach her like Black rappers were happy to teach Eminem. You all have been WARNED so many times about the dangers of integration. Marcus Garvey warned you 100 years ago that if you aren't careful living around Caucasians, you will end up drinking the poison of their civilization and die from it's effects. But on the FLIP side of that....they could end up drinking the elixir of YOUR civilization and prolong their life! In other words....................... When Caucasians and AfroAmericans "integrated" and mixed with eachother in the United States. Many of our people adopted the worst parts of THEIR civilization (individualism, greed, disrespect of parents, atheism, abuse of women, dirty sexual practices, ect.....). But many of THEM learned how to dance, sing, and season their food from being around OUR people. "Hi yall! I'm Paula Deen and today I'm gonna show you all how to make some delicious soul food I mean uhhh... SOUTHERN COOKIN!"

I'm not surprised for a number of reasons............. For one thing, she's a White woman born and raised in Mississippi but chose a WHITE husband to marry. I've noticed that almost every time you find a White woman born and raised in a predominately Black or Brown community but ends up choosing and marrying a White man she most likely is racist. But just like it's easy to pull the wool over the eyes of a fool, it's easy to pull the wool over the eyes of a FOOLISH PEOPLE. Nothing surprising about it. People take advantage of marks. And the AfroAmerican community has PLENTY of mark-ass negroes silly enough to be captivated by and taken in by white people who steal Black creatitivy and use it to get rich off of. She's not the first White person to mock Black talent and incorporate it for her own success and enrichment; before her was: Eminem Jim Jones But the real problem is not just White people tricking and fooling AfroAmericans. The problem is also so many AfroAmericans being STUPID enough to constantly fall for it. But some of us DO have some sense and know better and can spot a deceptive snake a mile a way. Take a look at THIS brother and sister from Watts way back in 1968 and how they had sense enough to pay close attention and watch the Caucasians who come into their community: It boils down to INTELLIGENCE. Those who have average intelligence and have a healthy distrust of the Caucasians in their environment and those who are LESS intelligent (stupid) and choose not to. Gibran I wrongly assume that because he had personally directed a few movies about us, was cool with Morgan Freeman. Damn, Clint was the number 1 cowboy and Dirty Harry. In my opinion, any White man who loves guns and other weapons is a dead give-a-way for being a racist. How many White men that love and have guns have you seen asking for peace and unity with other races?

Dan You are completely white washing and diminishing the history of Africa. No Daniel, what I'm attempting to do is FOCUS YOU on one point or subject at a time instead of creating strawmen to argue against or being all over the map with subjects that are totally irrelevant to the discussion itself. "You're totally ignoring the fact that Africa is not a country but a continent that is almost entirely surrounded by salt water! See, that's your problem!" It comes from using 1492 as ground zero. You completely give power to people to create which was already in existence. What and who are you talking about? What are you referring to that "already existed" that WASN'T created by people? The wise examine the terrain to see what can be used in their favor. Black people don’t suffer from stupid or an illusionary white supremacy. The Black Count’s preface gives an account that could be describing today. Again..... More random unrelated "all over the map" statements that not only DO NOT support your arguments but pretty much has NOTHING to do with the discussion. Nothing to support YOUR argument. Nothing to counter mine. Just random useless information tossed out to fill in the gap. Like I said, a discussion with you is like a discussion with a gopher..... You pop up in one hole and make a statement....I respond to it......you disappear.....then pop up in another hole making a totally unrelated statement....I disprove that.....then you duck...dodge.....disappear.....then pop back up in the first hole making a statement that CONTRADICT the first statement you made.

.....and? Nigeria, The Gold Coast, The Gambia, and South Africa WERE created by the White Supremacists. These nations were created by the White Supremacist and their artificial borders were drawn to enclose several opposing ethnic groups who didn't get along with eachother. The colonizers did this DELIBERATELY to make sure they would continue to fight eachother and keep up conflict so that they could easily control them and steal the resources of the land.

This is a recent example of Black Stupidity in action: This is an example of the STUPIDITY of too many of our people. 1. What good is a "march to the polls"??? What were these people trying to accomplish? How effective has that tactic EVER been and what is the purpose of it that Negroes KEEP DOING IT.....besides wearing out your shoes and making a lot of noise getting on people's nerves. 2. Why would you go out in the streets making a lot of noise and drawing attention to yourself in today's climate when White Supremacists are shooting and killing Black folks left and right? White Supremacists in law enforcement have a well documented history of targeting and beating AfroAmericans who were marching around and protesting in the street...and as a so-called pastor you decide to lead your "flock" out into the middle of danger and get them pepper sprayed, beaten, and thrown in jail! For what? Not only is this pastor's behavior STUPID but the behavior of those following him are even dumber. 3. Then this pastor.....DUMBwright or Drumwright..... makes a dumb ass statement of: "We did nothing to warrant the response".....as if being Black wasn't enough for a racist to target and abuse you. "We didn't do nuthin' wrong! Why dey do us like dat???" How STUPID can you be to constantly be VICTIMIZED by racism and STILL not understand it or why it happened? 40 years old and can't figure out why White police officers would beat the hell out of group Black folks marching in the street! 40 years old and call yourself a "man" but didn't anticipate something like this would happen! Sheer STUPIDITY. Intelligent people wouldn't behave in that fashion and they CERTAINLY wouldn't keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Dan You are denying African Nation States. Also there is no African race. You are trying to justify a faulty premise. No, YOU just didn't pay close enough attention and ignored half of my post. I named 2 of them when I said: "Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality." For reasons why you may have missed this, see my thread on Black Intelligence: Black Intelligence VS Black Stupidity ....lol. Besides, the only one trying to justify a "faulty premise" is YOU when you try to legitimize these so-called "nation states" that were recently created by the White Supremacists. Africa already had nations before the colonists, but those nation/states you speak of are ARTIFICIAL. Their borders were deliberately MADE UP and drawn in order to further divide the people and keep them in a constant state of conflict and warfare. Your whole philosophy is based on reactions to perceived behavior of the Other. The well documented history of the White Supremacists and the fact that they conquered and carved up the continent of Africa is more than just a "perception". Troy He has a point there Yeah, most men do. Only difference is their points tend to be more developed after puberty....lol.

My bad..... For some reason the name "Thumper" sounds like it would be a woman. Probably because it reminds me of the deer in Bambi rather than the "thumping" that goes on in the hood.

Daniel African is the equivalent of calling someone Asian or European. That's true TRADITIONALLY. However Neely Fuller Jr. says that sometimes we need to give words OUR OWN definitions for accuracy. Therefore Africa has 2 definitions: 1. A person who comes from the continent of Africa or 2. A person of the so-called "Black" race. You need to review the argument on labeling. Igbo culture is Igbo. Ewe culture is Ewe, German culture is German. In America we are finding our believed National identity was an illusion. There is no contradiction. You just need to understand the difference between RACE, ETHNICITY, and NATIONALITY. African = Race Igbo and Ewe = Ethnicity German and American = Nationality. Germans and Americans can be of ANY race and often are. Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality. Africans can be of ANY nationality depending on which nation we were born in.

For me it's about ACCURACY. Neely Fuller Jr. teaches that the main tool of White Supremacy is CONFUSION. When you confuse people about who and what they are you cause division among them and make them easier to control. Calling us "Black" and "Negro" (which is basically the same thing in different languages) adds to the CONFUSION because technically speaking we are not "Black" in color but various shades of brown. This is one of the reasons so many of our people object to the term "Black" and choose to call themselves by other names and terms. I use the term "African" and "AfroAmerican" because they are far more ACCURATE and lead to less CONFUSION as to what they mean.

Daniel You confirmed my statement. There is not “A” Black Culture. Technically speaking....... If there are MULTIPLE Black cultures, then there actually IS "a" Black culture. It's just not the only one. Most African cultures weren’t based on color. That may be true, however they don't need to be BASED on Black skin color in order to be considered "Black culture" any more than Hiphop has to be performed by Black artists only in order for it to still be considered a Black form of music.