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I know many will say that not trusting "the data" or "the statistics" sounds like something a Trump supporting MAGA would say. However a lot of Trump's appeal.... Infact, a lot of the appeal Conservatives have with the poor and working class in general is that they appeal to people's "common sense" with plain talk. OFCOURSE the shit can be manipulated. So why SHOULD I trust some arbitrary figure "claimed" to be gathered by dilligent research? There used to be a time OUR people were the Conspiracy theorists and didn't trust the system because we knew it was subject to human error and manipulation. Now it seems so many of us...are going along WITH the program and those who are bucking "the system" are Trump supporters who question EVERY fucking thing including "the data" and "the media". I know they are racists and tend to support the data and media that supports THEM and THEIR agenda. But atleast they are CLAIMING to question the crap we're being fed in the media. I don't see a lot of Black people on television and in the media doing that anymore. Troy We discuss this from time to time. Of course, your observations can be manipulated. The oft cited problem with "eyewitness" testimony is reflective of this. True. I won't argue with this. But from a PERSONAL point of view.... Me knowing myself. I'll trust what I've WITNESSED before I'll trust some arbitrary figures some White folks put on a damn screen as if it were the gospel truth. How do we KNOW that shit is true? Just like anecdotes can be false, those collecting the data can lie too. They're human. Of course, data can be presented in a misleading way or simply misinterpreted, but data beats anecdotes. Not MY anecdotes because I don't lie to myself Ofcourse I wouldn't expect YOU to simply accept them just because....but as I said, for PERSONAL satisfaction I'd rather rely on my personal observations. And guess what.... If YOU or ProfD said something that went against the "official story" or was contrary to "the data"...I'd believe YOU TWO before I'd believe it. I used my personal JUDGEMENT when deciding who or what to believe. It rarely fails me. Perhaps but that is a different argument. Lying whether it is in an anecdote or data is useless for increasing understanding. Agreed. If you understand what is being counted, then you can derive reasonable and logical conclusions from the data. How can you derive a "reasonable" assessment of how many people are actually unemployed if they're OBVIOUSLY not counting large portions of those who are actually UNEMPLOYED???? ....we aren't counting housewives. ....we aren't counting homeless adults. ....we aren't counting those who've been out of work longer than 6 months. Well who the hell ARE they counting??? In terms of unemployment how would your personal observations be superior to understanding any aspect of unemployment? It wouldn't be superior on a LARGE scale because I don't know enough people let alone their personal employment situation to arrive at such a grand conclusion. However my understanding of their ERRONEOUS methods of gathering information WOULD help the researcher by raising alarms about how that information was gathered and why it shouldn't be trusted or even consdered. To answer your question in plain street language: "I may not know what it IS.... But I know what it AIN'T." It ain't the figures THEY'RE giving us. ProfD All of the data stated can be compiled and added to the analysis. If it's lies...or half truths, it ain't "data". Data is facts. If the figures are false, they aren't facts. Just a bunch of damn numbers on a screen or sheet that you're expected to BELIEVE and accept as gospel truth.

-Man, where do you come up with this shit......LMBAO. Let me guess....it's the NATURAL comedian in you.

ProfD To say statistics are real assumes that the figures are truthful and accurate. How is this confirmed? I believe some of the information in these statistics are not only outright fabricated depending on their respective agendas, but the deception and inaccuracy of some of these figures have been INSTITUTIONALIZED to be inaccurate. Take unemployment figures for example........ It's been known for a few decades now that when they calculate the unemployment rate...they don't count EVERY adult who is actually unemployed. For examples: -If you're locked up...you don't count. -If you're disabled or sick...you don't count. Now some may say those exceptions are acceptable....even though they are STILL adults who are part of the system and should be counted in my opinion. However..... -If you've been unemployed for OVER 6 MONTHS...you don't count! -If you've STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK....you don't count! And in some cases...they ONLY count those actually receiving unemployment checks as being "unemployed". So if you quit or got fired under certain circumstances, or your unemployment insurance ran out.....you're not really "unemployed" according to the government! How can you trust statistics and figures arrived at by such methods?

ProfD Broke, homeless, locked up or locked in low wage jobs stem from poor choices being made whether it's not taking education seriously or believing crime pays. For the most part, I agree. However this still supports my assertion that our people today may not be better off...collectively...than they were 50 years ago. Those FBA/AfroAmericans should have been creating businesses and buildings institutions for future generations to work. As it stands, most FBA/AfroAmericans have to depend white folks for every crumb of their daily bread. That was a failure on our part. Facts Making ends meet will never lead to building wealth. It insures the continuity of poverty. Perhaps building wealth isn't the goal of a great number of people. Just making ends meet and enjoying the here and NOW is their main focus. Some FBA/AfroAmericans were similar to Hispanics today. They worked hard to have a little bit. Plenty of fun though. Interesting comparison. As mentioned above, that's by deisgn. The question is why did FBA/AfroAmericans allow themselves to be disproportionately affected by it. I've offered a few answers already but you didn't care too much or them, lol. Understood. Statistics show that FBA/AfroAmericans are collectively wealthier and better off than decades ago. It's easy to romanticize the past because 1) there's nothing that can be done to change it and 2) allows folks to do nothing about right and the future. Another reason is when you've LIVED it and SEEN if for yourself, it's hard for you to be fooled or lied to about what really happened by a bunch of numbers on a screen. It's one thing to tell a 25 year old that AfroAmericans are living in the best times since Slavery. But tell a 70 or 80 year old that, who is STILL collecting pension checks from his factory job that he had for 40 years making the equivalent of $35 an hour plus benefits -that working for near minimum wage at Target...despite his Bachelor Degree....is "better off", lol. It's relative. Families are smaller too. And in many cases, non existent I realize you're not a huge fan of researching statistics preferring instead to lean into your own observations. However, the numbers are available. Great observation...lol. Depending on who these stats are coming from, I don't trust them. Anybody can put out a bunch of numbers, how do we know they're accurate or even close? For DECADES during election season they've had polls and done stats on the contemporary employment and unemployment rates in the U.S. But I've NEVER been contacted by Gallop Poll or any other information/statistic gathering organization either by phone or in person asking me my employment status. Have you? Yet they keep coming out with all these employment "numbers" and "figures" and "polls" that we're supposed to accept. How can the situation with AfroAmericans be better if MORE of our people are locked up or economically stifled from getting good jobs, loans, and proper housing by their criminal records today than 50 or 60 years ago? How can that be? Where are all these "Magical Negroes" popping up from, who show up JUST IN TIME for the cameras and statisticians as examples of how successful we are today?

Why do I place more value on my personal experiences and observations than on statistics? Statistics and studies can be manipulated and fabricated; unless I'm drunk or high (which is extremely rare) my observations generally can't be. I understand that MY observations and experiences can't always be proved to others, however I take this position for my own personal satisfaction. Especially knowing how the racists love to manipulate figures, stats, numbers, and skew information to fit their agendas.

frankster Of the seven continents Africa is ranked the fifth in terms of war hostilities.....that means they are more tolerant than four. Or less IN-tolerant....depending on how you look at it. But I believe I asked you WHAT wars are going on in North or South America that makes them more violent than the conflicts and wars going on in Africa right now? Yes .....Gaza and the Ukraine are significantly more dangerous than South Central LA and North Philly. I agree. But that doesn't make South Central or North Philly NOT dangerous. The Reality of one doesn't CHANGE the Reality of another. Proof of Citizenship or birth papers are the ultimate determinants of citizenship. False Again, proof doesn't determine Actuality. That may be so... How did we come to "ALREADY KNOWN" or "initally we KNEW"? Perhaps because HE Who CREATED them told us early on.

For those who don't like America......lol.....I heard EL SALVADOR was accepting applications for residency. They were offering free housing, communal living, with 24 hour security and more!!!

Anyway.............. Chevdove This is a beautiful thread! Great observation concerning Dollar Tree! As I said earlier, I love the "atmosphere" Dollar Trees compared to Family Dollars and Dollar Generals. Much cleaner and more organized. As long as the prices stay UNDER $2.00....they're still worth my patronization.

ProfD I blame it on Love & Hip-Hop [pick a city] and celebrities. I know fake eyelashes can be tastefully done. But, leave it up to Black folks to take that sh8t over top. Perhaps, but they don't do anything on a woman for me...UNLESS...maybe...she got into some sort of accident and lost her natural lashes and NEEDED fake ones to compensate. Other than that, eyelashes don't make or break a sista for me. Eyelashes start out as filler and she ends up looking like Thriller. I've heard those very thick and ridiculous looking ones described as "cum catchers". Our society focuses on beautiful people and pushes a bunch of sh8t to get others to buy into it. I think MOST societies place value on beautiful people. It's a human trait. We like looking at beautiful things, beautiful people, beautiful animals. It's called "eye candy" for a reason....lol. The deception comes when you promote certain products promising that if you use THAT product, it will make YOU beautiful also. Or you'll end up looking like the person on the picture. It's like those wave pomade cans where they'll put some dude with naturally wavy hair on the can suggesting that if YOU use this product on your nappy hair...it will turn your hair into his, lol. I remember growing up with two sisters. Everyone in the neighborhood agreed the girls looked like senior citizens despite they were children. When the girls became active teenagers, their looks did not improve. However, there was a couple dudes in the hood who had no problem creeping with them at night. Of course, they wouldn't admit it. Another beauty-challenged girl in the neighborhood got pregnant and had a baby. Turns out one of my friends was the father of that child. People will do whatever it takes to satisfy their wants, needs and desires. Especially in the dark. I think every neighborhood has stories like this...lol. But as I've gotten older and observed more, the fact TRUTH (frankster...lol) I realized is that there's a difference between beauty and attractiveness. Those girls may not have been beautiful, but they were certainly sexually attractive. This relates to what we were discussing in another thread concerning "value" and how value is determined. A man may choose a "beautiful" woman to wear on his arm in public because he values her beauty and how it increases his social status; but choose an "ugly" woman as his favorite fuck-buddy because regardless of how she looks she's good in bed and he values her sexual skills. He values BOTH women...but for different reasons. Cynique stfu, Loser. If I did....you wouldn't like it. If I stopped posting, your squint-eyed ass would leave the site...lol.

ProfD Absolutely. There are more millionaires and a few billionaires among Gen-Xers than every generation before it combined. While that is true, there seems to be a heavy IMBALANCE. Meaning.... While there are a lot of millionaires and a few billionaires, there are millions of AfroAmericans who are either broke, homeless, locked up, or locked in low wage jobs. Where as say in the 50s, 60s, and 70s not only did you have the Black professionals....as you have today...but you had a lot more WORKING CLASS Black folks with jobs that allowed them to buy homes, cars, and take care of their families. And even among the POOR Black folks....which you had a lot of...if they weren't on welfare they could get jobs and make ends meet. In other words, it seems as if the wealth were more evenly spread in the community than today where things tend to be more "extreme" with a large percentage of our people actually in a destitute situation. Just the incarceration rates of AfroAmericans ALONE should signal that our people aren't doing as good today as they were say 50 or 60 years ago. You didn't have that high of a percentage of AfroAmericans locked up or caught up in the criminal justice system. There are statistics to prove Gen-Xers have been able to accumulate more wealth and live a better life than previous generations. Ok, now remember I'm focused....not on Generation Xers in general but SPECIFICALLY AfroAmerican Generation Xers. Surely, family structures and relationships are different now. Folks are more spread out. The family structures seem to be in worse condition than 50 years ago. Over the past 30-40 years, one person can afford to run the whole show i.e. buy a house, vehicle, clothes, shoes, groceries, pay utilities and take vacations. In SOME cases, not most. If they are talented or degreed....yes. What percentage of our people fit that description? Many...yes...but what PERCENTAGE? Perhaps a community where 85% of our people have working class jobs but are able to hold down stable families and household would be better than a community where 25% have talents and degrees that afford them a nice lifestyle but the other 75% are wallowing in dysfunction and destitution. Other groups of people have their own share of dysfunction. It's part of the reason they fled their home countries. This is true. Thanks for reminding me because sometimes I focus so much on the problems of our people I ignore the fact that other groups are also dealing with their dysfunctions. Last week just down the street the police were called to a house where some Latino families were piled up together and a major fight broke out where machetes were apparently used...lol. Interestingly, people who have the least materially often seem to have the most *fun* in life They say "ignorance" is bliss. They have fun until the reality of lack and want slap them upside the head. It's all fun until ICE comes knocking at their door or they come home to find a big ass pad lock on their door and a sign saying they aren't allowed in because their house has been condemned...lol. Like you said and like Neely Fuller Jr. said, we should be focused on solving our problems more so than having "fun". However fun and entertainment ARE necessities and DO have their place.....especially as therapy.

ProfD I was referring s8x as there's no benchmark of quality. Social status can be qualified. Net worth, intelligence, physical appearance, etc., can determine one's value. Again, it depends on WHO is doing the estimating. If you're talking about "society" in general, yes. If you're talking about a SPECIFIC person; how THEY estimate a man and who THEY see as valuable to THEM may not align with the general social consensus. Most women would not consider a broke man high value compared to well off man. I agree. "Most" is the operative term. Gen-Xers have more access to wealth than the previous generation. Access TO it and actually ACCESSING it are 2 different things that don't always agree with eachother. Do AfroAmerican Xer's have more access TO wealth than their Boomer Parents??? I'm questioning this based on MY personal observations growing up in the Detroit area. It seems to me that Boomers had stronger families, owned more homes at younger ages, were less incarcerated, were more employed in better jobs...than their Gen X children or Millennials. They didn't make as much money as many Xer's and Millennials with college education make today. Even when adjusted for inflation. However COLLECTIVELY they were more stable and made more money because among the Xers and Millennials today you have a certain PERCENTAGE doing good while a higher PERCENTAGE aren't doing good at all. Bro...there's no shortage of tech from computer hardware and software to other tools and conveniences that has made it easier for me to get things done. Ok Yes...FBA/AfroAmericans are better off today than 30-40 years ago. Well, needless to say I disagree with that. Not based on some sort of study or statistic snatched off of the net (frankster...lol) but based on my personal observations having lived through several generations to make that comparison. Same goes for all aspects of life. The main thing is constructive fun. Yes sir! Exactly. H8ters especially among Black folks are like crabs in a barrel. They love you right up to realizing you're better off than them. This is the case far too often. I often look at other groups and how they seem to get along with eachother and wonder how can they? It seems almost unnatural. How can 6 Mexican families...entire families with 5 or 6 members each...live together in ONE house and get along with eachother? No shoot outs. Everybody working. Nobody screws another person's wife. Or are these things actually happening but they just IGNORE it and continue to work and support eachother anyway?

ProfD That's mainly because I prefer natural wwomen.no fake hair or too much make-up or windshield wiper eyelashes. I'm with you on the eye lashes. I'm not sure who told these young girls that those thick ass centipede looking jokerz looked good ANY damn way? Now I have to admit.... A good wig or a good weave on a woman DOES improve her appearance; not all of the time.....but much of the time. But them fake as lashes do absolutely NOTHING in terms of improving a woman's looks as far as I'm concerned and most other dudes I've talked to about it feel the same. As far as preferring a natural woman........ I prefer her natural UNLESS...she's naturally ugly, lol. Then she should start adding on shit to improve her appearance. Not all people are blessed in the looks department, and that's a fact. And I'm not talking down on people just because. I'm speaking as somebody who has been called ugly since I remember my ears working....lol. Not only by associates and friends but even by family members....lol. To be real, I've also been called handsome too...especially as I've gotten older. So I guess beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. But if you know you're lacking in a certain area and CAN improve yourself, why not?

ProfD Quality goes both ways relative to the participants. The same snatch box I consider trash could be solid gold to another dude. Facts Absolutely facts! The same dude who was punishing one woman's box might be a lame to another woman. More facts! Quality is subjective because there are no benchmarks. And this is MY point, when it comes to who is "high value" and who is not. The Baby Boomers thought Gen-Xers were going to take the world to h8ll in a handbasket. It didn't happen. That's probably because most didn't think that. The chief complaint I heard from most FBA Baby Boomers was that Generation X was fucking up much of what the Baby Boomers (AKA Civil Rights Generation) actually fought and died for. They were fucking it up through drug use, abandoning many of the jobs that they fought hard to get us in to, and chasing interracial sex instead of focusing on building strong Black families. They didn't send the world to hell but a lot of Gen X'ers fucked up and forfeited much of what the previous generation left them. The Millennials are pretty much lost now. Right. Technology doesn't lie. Every generation improves upon it making life a little bit easier than it was for their predecessors. We talked about that in the other thread. Besides more access to the Internet and social media, what has actually "improved" tech-wise? Or rather, what new technology has came up on the scene these last 30 years that has made YOUR life better? The blessing and curse of Back progress. Folks don't need each other as much ss they disld back in those decades. However, there's no decline in the Black population. It has steadily grown. Folks still bumping and grinding. Let us focus less on Black folks in general (because a lot of Africans feel THEIR lives have improved) and FBA/AfroAmericans in specific..... Do you think FBA have made more general progress in the last 30 years? Do you think FBA...collectively....are better off today than they were 30 or 40 years ago? Definitely not projecting. Just paying it forward for younger dudes who might be reading. Understood. It's all good. There's no shortage of women for the streets willing to entertain them too. Because that's all THOSE WOMEN may have going for them, at that particular time....lol. The late NF Jr. was adamant that Black folks had no business having fun as long as there are problems to solve. If that were the case, people would have no fun...lol. I don't remember a time IN THIS WORLD where there were no problems to solve. Neely Fuller Jr. also said that we should make SOLVING PROBLEMS "fun"...lol. I try to do that myself. My compensatory definition of arrogance is a false sense of superiority using words and/or actions to degrade, demean and/or belittle others. My compensatory definition of confidence is a strong sense of belief in one's knowledge, skills and abilities to achieve and/or accomplish their goals OK, thank you. I think those are good and accurate definitions. The reason that word got my attention is because when I hear the word "arrogant" it's often attached to Black men. Often times people are accused of being arrogant when they are confident and proud but "society" doesn't feel they should be or DESERVE to have the confidence and pride that they have. So a lot of it is less about the person with the confidence and more about how society FEELS about that person and how they carry themselves. In other words, if society approves of you and likes you...your confidence is seen as a positive thing. But if that same society disapproves of you and teaches that you are subhuman or negative....then your confidence is considered unwarranted and often boastful and arrogant. Reminds me of something 50 Cent said in one of his songs: "They saying I'm too flashy They liked me better when I was fucked up and ashy"

-Ohhhhhhh.....for the FIRST TIME IN 15 YEARS????? First you claimed that you contacted....the "disgusting loser with nothing going on"........ONLY ONCE, lol. NOW you're sitting up there with a wet mouth and hair all frizzy suggesting that you DID contact me before.....oh...oh...but it was over 15 years ago!!!! Yeah....not recently, but many many years ago...lol. So which is it Cynique? Did you PM me ONLY ONCE? ...or do you do it EVERY 15 YEARS or so like Hailey's Comet???? Also, where are you getting this "15 years" shit from? I haven't been ON here for 15 years....lol. According to my profile I registered sometime in 2012 but I don't think I even dropped any posts until 2013. I may be wrong, but I don't believe I did. Anyway....... I can point out YOUR lies all day long, but you haven't nailed down ONE of mine yet....lol. Woman you need to quit....lol. Seriously. Just let it go Cynique Like I said, you ain't fooling NOBODY but yourself with all that cussing and name calling....lol. But for real, I was having a little fun with you but....I don't really want to hurt you like that so. Let us not disrupt Chevdove's thread anymore. If you don't post anything else about it, neither will I........

frankster According to a study published by the BBC....Europe is the bloodiest Continent having the most wars Thanks for that unsolicited information. Now explain to me how what goes on in Europe makes AFRICA a place where differences and diversity are well tolerated and people get along amicably? Of the 7 continents Africa has less wars than Europe Asia and N and S America....thats tolerance in my opinion. 2 points: 1. Oh, so your idea of "tolerance" is just comparing one situation with another more dire situation? So place like North Philly aren't rough or dangerous because what's going on in Gaza is worse and more violent, right? South Central Los Angeles is a nice and peaceful place because it's not nearly as bad as what's happening between Russia and the Ukraine, right? Your idea of "tolerance" is graded on a curve...lol. 2. Besides the unofficial "wars" between drug cartels and gangs going on in Mexico, what wars are or have been going on in North OR South America currently or in the past 50 years? If you want to exercise your full rights and privileges as a citizens then you will need to be able to prove it Everyone born in the US is given a birth certificate and the government record it as a live birth....that is one basic proof of citizenship. Does any of this determine whether or not YOU ARE a citizen???? Some one studied the situation and did experimentations to prove it...answering most scepticism Or perhaps these facts were ALREADY KNOWN to human beings initially. Perhaps, the only reason these facts were lost to much of humanity was through IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION. People who DIDN'T KNOW these facts gained control over much of the world and begin to train all those under them AWAY from real knowledge and into the lies and superstitious that many people are just now coming out of. The planet being flat for example... Initially we KNEW the planet was round. Caucasians didn't. They thought the world was flat and TAUGHT everyone under their rulership that the world was flat until they learned better.

ProfD Yep. Like Can't Get Right from the movie Life. Oh, was that his name? I didn't know what Bokeem's character was named until you mentioned it and I did a quick google. That "I'm that baby's daddy" scene when they all accepted responsibility was crazy as hell though...LOL. I wonder how that would have played out in real life, though. Beyond the exceptions we mentioned above, the largest population of homeless folks have a drug, alcohol or mental problem. I would definitely agree. I met cats who would down a whole fifth of something while you were standing there talking to them...and remained sober! Their bodies were so used to the alcohol that it took them 3 or 4 bottles of liquor to get drunk. It was comical listening to a well-spoken, clearly educated Black man and seeing him out of place among the rag-tag crew he kicked it with on the streets. I've seen SEVERAL of some people....men and women. I...being new to the experience myself...didn't believe they were really homeless. I thought they were case workers trying to mingle in with the people, and other times I thought they were undercover police officers trying to mingle in and get information. People informed me that no...they really WERE assed out and on the street and had been in that condition for YEARS. Intelligent AND articulate. But just....had shit going on they couldn't manage. A few decades ago, I remember one such guy who had a pension. He had two beautiful, successful adult daughters. He could have lived with either one of them on a condition...stop drinking. He refused. The daughters had to find their dad every month to give him his own money. I'm sure he spent it on his *friends*. I would be surprised if he's still alive now. I knew people like that in my family. They weren't homeless but they still lived very irresponsible lives. It makes me wonder how people like that...so irresponsible and shitty can still raise such intelligent and successful children. It also makes me grateful at how Divinely Favored I was to grow up with some good Parents. The best comedians are often highly intelligent too. True. Also the best Rappers tend the be highly intelligent. Even if they aren't very educated and from the streets....they have a very high intellect. If you think about it, you need a pretty well working brain to put together lyrics that make sense, flow it smoothly, and REMEMBER them...especially when you go on tour and have to do live shows. You can't be retarded and do that.

ProfD Whether or not a man looks good with a bald head depends on the SHAPE of his head, and to a lesser extent...his face. If not, he's better off letting that thin spot grow out as long as he can and keep the rest of it shaved down evenly...lol. PS. Don't listen to what Cynique has to say about Gayle King. She's already admitted (in so many words) that she's jealous of her in another thread, lol.

ProfD Sure. S8x is not one of those things. Plenty money can provide unlimited access to it though. Money can increase the QUANTITY...I'm not sure if it will increase the QUALITY. Much of the QUALITY of sex has to do with YOU and your person skills and abilities and physical fitness. Money can help, but money can't directly buy that. Every generation sees something off or wrong with those coming up behind them. Are the older generations wrong, or are they accurately assessing the contemporary situation and dysfunction of the latest generation through the eyes of wisdom and experience? Each generation THINKS they are smarter and know more than the previous, even when they have accomplished less. There was more Black love and unity between men and women back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s than there is today. There's GOT to be a reason for that. Most humans have to be trained in discipline. That's why the military puts recruits through boot camp. Tear down and build up. Facts Mainly because it's not the most important in the grand scheme of things. Again, that all night energy would be put to better use making money. I think you may projecting YOUR goals and what YOU think a person's focus should be on some other brothers. For the record, I agree with you that getting rich is more important than wearing down your prostate pursuing marathon sex records...lol. However I recognize that not every man feels this way. Some men...they're not very smart or ambitious and the ONLY thing they got going for them is being good in bed. You can preach to them until veins start popping out of your head and it won't do a bit of good. Let them do..them. When the fun is done their problems remain. Solving them would be more valuable. This is one of the reasons I wasn't a big fan of drugs OR heavy alcohol consumption. Because if you were doing it because of the "problems" in your life...they generally didn't help. The problems would remain when you sobered up. But as I got older I realized that when it comes to fun in general.... Fun provides RELIEF from constant problem. You need that relief to energize yourself and keep going. Sex is one of the best physical forms of therapy, as long as it's within reason. I now see drugs and alcohol is therapeutic for SOME people if it provides temporary relief for a stressful situation. Same thing. Grave-digger blows the back out and puts her to sleep. Sheeeeyid.... With a name like "grave digger"; that sounds like - Umar Johnson would say -it puts her to sleep: FOR GOOOOOD!!!! ...lol. Otherwise, confidence and arrogance can be clearly defined and separated Would be so kind as to give me YOUR personal/compensatory definition of "arrogant"? Black men.

ProfD Whether it is genetics or physical fitness or a combination...Black don't crack. Unless she's ON Crack, lol. Two things I've seen Crack do to women. 1. Make their skin dry and prematurely wrinkled 2. Make their ass flat as pancakes. From refusing to give up thinning or straggling stands of hair in favor of a neat low cut or a bald head, some Black folks are too self-conscious to embrace a new, better look. And most Black folks' hair is too nappy to do the "comb over" that a lot of White men USED to do before WE made the bald look cool. We're close in age so you know what I'm talking about, lol. You don't see it as much today as you did back in the 80s and 90s and definitely in the 70s.

Cynique said: " you would be at the bottom of the totem pole were I to bestir my interest long enough to single out the real men on this site who have a lot going for themselves" Since you think I'm a liar... What did I lie about? Seriously. I can't speak for the other "real men" on this site but as for me....I'M COOL....lol Pleeeeeze, I don't need you to "bestir your interests" in me. "Bestir" them up for somebody else who may reciprocate them. As far as I'm concerned, your funky ass juices can dry up....lol. I just want you to show me the lies you CLAIM I'm telling on here.

ProfD True. I have met people of all races who chose to live a life of homelessness rather than conform to society. When I was homeless I met Black people who COULDN'T conform to society...lol. It wasn't necessarily from lack of effort though. But many...not all..but many of the White people who were homeless had a rebellious attitude where they WOULDN'T conform based on some sort of weird ass personal belief. They didn't want a job, not because they were lazy but because they didn't want anyone telling them "when to punch in and out". They didn't want to live with relatives because they were "adults" and didn't want to be controlled by the rules of the house. In many of them, their homelessness was a choice that with more thought or if times get hard enough..they could snap into better judgement and pull out of it. Ofcourse you had a large percentage of White people who ended up homeless simply because they were alcoholics, drug addicts, and just plain stupid. One of the benefits to being a natural-born clown/comedian is being friendly, fearless, approachable when it comes to meeting people. Makes it easier to collect comedic source material. Of course, it also helps to have a solid frame too. You don't take me as being a natural comedian....atleast not on here, lol. Too intelligent and passively confrontational. I didn't say "passive aggressive"....I said (typed...lol) passively CONFRONTATIONAL meaning you're not afraid to get in that ass but in a smooth and intelligent way. I say that to say, you seem a little too serious or intense to be "clownish" or "comedic" in your demeanor. Not that you remind me of him, because he was as sweet as a bag of skittles...but the late great Paul Mooney was another person who looked too serious....and a little angry....to be a comedian. He was naturally intelligent and quick witted but his demeanor was way to serious and sometimes you wouldn't know if he's being serious about an issue or joking about one. I've met some people who the world would see as bums having no idea of these folks are former scientists, doctors, engineers, professors, doctors, lawyers, etc. They literally dropped out of society. This is true. I personally met homeless people who were school teachers and engineers by profession. Some tragedy in their life and often times and addiction landed them in that position.

ProfD Maybe so. But, that energy is put to better use making money Some things are worth MORE than money. Self respect and the future of our Race and specifically our ethnic group is worth more than dead presidents, lol. Infact, some would argue that it's priceless. If there is a plot or conspiracy to turn our own women against us through subliminal messaging to the point that they'd rather "turn" Lesbian or willingly enslave themselves to a White man RATHER than be with another AfroAmerican man -we need to know this. Something is definitely "off" with what I'm seeing with a lot of young AfroAmerican men and women. A well disciplined man knows how to use his testosterone efficiently. Facts. Most men aren't well disciplined. They haven't been taught or trained in that art. Not really. He's easily replaceable. Especially when a man with more money shows up. You'd be surprised at how many men CAN'T keep a hard dick and fuck all night...lol. They can TALK that talk in the clubs or in her DM's but when "crunch time" comes and it's time for some action....I'm almost sure most men aren't putting it down the way they sold it. But if she finds one who can talk shit AND back it up, she's found a "high value" man in HER eyes...lol. Value is substantive when it comes down to money. Fun and games don't count. Fun and the ability to make a person happy is VERY valuable, especially if they're going through a lot of trauma. A lot of women who are married to or atleast in relationships with rich business men have "boy toys" on the side not because of the sex but because she can talk to him and he can make her laugh and "gets" her despite not being business savvy or wealthy. You can't always put a price tag on happiness. Women for the streets are fine with getting their backs blown out up to a certain point. Facts. A quality woman wants more than a grave-digger. Lol.... What about a nappy-dug-out digger??? When a woman wants real life sh8t...house, clothes, shoes, handbags, jewelry, transportation, vacations, etc., they're going to look for a man who can sling money and drop the hammer. This is true, however many women will still seek and be weak for a broke-ass "side piece" who knows how to talk to her, lay it down right in bed, and make her happy about life in general. Some women are smart enough to juggle BOTH. And a REALLY smart woman will make her "side piece" a friend of the family's to the point that her husband would never even SUSPECT their relationship! Some women will even try to make her "side piece" her husband's FRIEND. I knew a woman who her and her husband had a house and I guess they got a little financially strapped and she convinced him that since they had an extra room they should take on a border. Even got him to put an add in Craig's List...lol. And GUESS who was one of the first people to answer the add and get into contact with them! Yes.......he moved in. I'm not sure if the husband ever found out because me and her parted ways 6 or 7 months after that but.....man, oh, man...lol. These were White people, btw.... Chev and ProfD Seems to me that the difference between Confidence and Arrogance is based on OPINION. If you think the person DESERVES to feel good and talk good about themselves....you see it as confidence. If you think they DON'T DESERVE to feel good about their achievements or talk good about themselves....you see it as bragging and arrogance. A lot of Black men are accused of Arrogance.

"Rejection"???? In order for you to "reject" me that means I had to APPROACH your little tight-eyed ass if the first place. If you don't QUIT with the nonsense....lol But you shoooooo' took your time to type out that long ass response for somebody you think is a "loser" whom you find "disgusting"....lol. Like I said, you ain't fooling NOBODY on here but yourself. Well, atleast you admitted that you PM'd me. But "once"??? You contacted me "just once"... Cynique???? Seriously??? ((Pioneer1 smiles and looks away from the screen)) Ok.... I could say more but I don't want to hurt your little feelings (really your "ego") and have you threatening to leave the site like you did a few years ago. I guess the other posters wou WE -wouldn't want that and enjoy your presence around here too much. Mr. Disgusting bids you a nice evening.

Yes, Chaka Khan is another attractive sista who's been attractive all her life. Yet....another one was Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura from Star Trek), RIP. There's a lot of sistaz who look good at advanced ages but I'm thinking of the ones who NATURALLY look good without a lot of make-up or plastic surgery or manipulation of the pictures and videos.

ProfD That white man would be the exception. Plenty white folks living at or below the poverty line. When a White man "claims" to be in poverty, I usually don't believe him right off the bat. I've seen too many instances where White people come from wealthy immediate families and have access to plenty of money but CHOOSE to live like bums simply because they like being rebellious and not following the "rules" of wealth or being White. Some of them will go as far as living homeless, just so that nobody else will tell them what to do or how to live. If you see a homeless Black man....he's homeless sho'nuff. But if you see a homeless White man...there's a good chance he has access to money, had family in law enforcement, but has some sort of substance abuse problem or is just rebellious and wants to live like that. White folks have status classes among themselves. I don't blame them. Our people used to...or perhaps they still do. Civilization must be TAUGHT. How to dress, eat, speak, conduct yourself in appropriate settings. This makes for a cultured and cosmopolitan citizen.