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This has less to do with being more "spiritual" and more to do with a change of mindset.

There's a difference between a REASON and a PLAN. Everything happens for a reason, but there doesn't necessarily have to be an organized plan behind it. But Elijah Muhammad taught that "wise Black scientists" got together and PRE-WROTE the events that were supposed to take place at the beginning of each 25,000 year cycle of history. If this were true, then it would add credibility to the concept of pre-destination.

Cynique How is Pelosi kicking his ass when not only is impeachment pretty much off the table as far as she's concerned but she made a concession with him to open the government back up and she was clapping every 5 minutes for him at his SOTU speech? Seems to me she's more eager to work with him than lead the opposition from the "opposition party". There is very real concern among powerful whites in high places that retaining Trump as president is not in the best domestic or global interest of America, and the majority of the population black and white want him gone Here you go assuming what the majority of White people want or feel. He's the same today as he was 3 years ago when the MAJORITY of White people voted for him, so why would you think that now all of a sudden after he's pretty much doing much of what he said he was going to do that his White supporters would change and turned coat? If his election to office taught you anything it should have been that most White people LOVE Trump regardless of his economic policies, because of what he represents which is unapologetic White dominance. 　 Pence is too wedded to the Evangelical agenda and, because he is a true conservative, there's a lot of talk about him being even worse than Trump considering how he governed the state of Indiana where he invoked a lot of hate. Recently-elected Senator Mitt Romney has a better chance because he is a middle of the road moderate who will appeal to a broader base not only in his own party but in the country at large. The fact that Pence is a clear cut conservative is what makes him so attractive to most real Republicans and conservatives both Black and White. They know where he stands so his policies and positions....like them or not....will be more stable and reliable. People like reliability and consistency. And as far as Romney...... I don't make it a habit of going around using "Trumpisms" but when it comes to federal elections and appointments like even Trump said about him- "the guy doesn't even know HOW to win", lol. Everytime he gets near a federal position he fucks it up.....lol. He best keep his ass overthere in Utah, chill with the Mormons, and be quiet.

Troy I definately believe most men are better at giving and receiving directions as well as judging distances. I've had to many incidents with both men and women to believe any different. Chev When my husband turned it on, and it started talking, I would flip out and demanded that he turn it off. Oh, were you getting jealous and didn't want your husband to get too comfortable? Siri does indeed have a slightly "sexy" voice....lol. 　 When I would drive from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, I would complain that it would take me through all these little 'Andy Griffith towns' so that I would have to stop and buy gas there, but I came to realize, these routes were much better and faster... Yes, and if there's one thing Pennsylvania has a lot of.....it's little "Andy Griffith" towns. Despite being on the Eastcoast, most of that state is racist as hell. I've lived in both Pennsylvania and the Carolinas and it's amazing that when you get outside of Philly or Pittsburgh you see more plaid shirts and hear more country music than I did IN the Carolinas. The only part of that state I really like is the Lancaster area with the Amish communities because of how clean and peaceful it is.

Troy EVERYONE is spiritual....whether they know it or not. Because everyone has a spirit (atleast one). The question is how IN TUNE people are with their spirit and soul/essence. I'm not as hard on religion as I used to be because I now realize that some people "need" religion to give them a moral compass and structure in their life. Take away their religion and they turn savage, lol. It becomes a problem when it's taken to an extreme and/or becomes externally divisive.

I don't just believe everything happens for a reason, I KNOW it does. ...because every event has a cause (reason). The question is WHAT was/were the reason(s) that caused the event? Were they Divine, purely physical, spiritual, cosmic, imaginary, accidental, "other".....or a combination of the afore mentioned.

So.....what else is new?

Sillique "move on"???????? This shows how much you know about politics at the local level and on the INTERNAL level. It's not about forgiveness or some damn apology...... It's about using this as an opportunity to get some sort of benefit. The Black politicians of Virginia should have taken that clown behind closed doors and told him we'll forgive you and keep you in office ONLY IF you do: A, B, C, & D for us! Now there's talk of them trying to force Fairfax (the Black Lt. Governor of Virginia) to RESIGN over a 2nd accusation of sexual assault. This is clearly racially motivated by Caucasian politicians on BOTH sides (Democrat and Republican) to move him out of the way so there won't be a Black Governor should Northam be forced out.

I read this book years ago. Forgot the gist of it but it's quite fitting because years earlier me and some other people were in a panel discussion with some Black people from England and we were discussing the marital and relationship problems that Black people face both in the United States and the United Kingdom and how similar they are and some of the younger ones mentioned a program there that asked "Is marriage for White people". I don't think marriage itself is for White people, but the TYPE of marriage (monogamous) that is instituted and re-enforced in the West IS for White people because it works best for them. Just like the nuclear family structure that is so common in the West works best for them; while I believe the extended family and group family structure is best for our people as AfroAmericans.

Lol @ Del putting Troy on the spot about his expertise. He didn't just put him out there once, but doubled down on it.....lol. Chev I don't trust GPS anyway, which is why I love using MAPS. Good ole fashioned maps. Infact, the SOUND of that GPS talking while I'm driving and trying to figure out where we are is annoying. For whatever reason most women love GPS and hate maps and if I'm driving with one of my lady friends and we're in a place we're not familiar with friction often breaks out in the car because they want to turn on GPS and put their faith in that and I keep making them turn that shit off so I can concentrate on the streets and landmarks I'm looking for.....lol.

If Trump even runs again....because I don't think he even has the desire to do the job anymore.....the ONLY way he'll get the popular vote in 2020 is if AfroAmericans become so depressed, discouraged, and apathetic that they do the same thing they did in 2016 but only in greater numbers. Honestly, if any Republican gets in office in 2020 I think the one most likely to get the spot will be Pence. He's sitting back being quiet waiting for the "process" to play out so that HE can be next in line either due to impeachment or by election. I don't like his policies but I certainly think he's Presidential in terms of looks and demeanor. Kamala Harris is a Democratic joke. She's a woman of color.....which color I'm not sure, lol.....but if most White women weren't ready to get behind one of their OWN women for President (Clinton) what makes you think they would get behind Kamala? They'll get behind Elizabeth Warren before they get behind Kamala. I think Corey Booker has a better chance than Kamala, but I don't think he'll get it either. At this point, I'm really not sure which Democrat will take the lead but it probably doesn't matter because I truly believe that events will transpire to put Pence in the spot as President after Trump either prematurely or in 2020.

He wouldn't have lasted in office THIS long if it weren't for the fact that most of the Caucasian Democrats REALLY are supporting him and helping to keep him in office. .....including Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. That's one of the reasons so many young Democrats of color didn't want Pelosi to regain the position of House Speaker and fought with other Democrats bitterly over this issue; because they knew she's continue to play this "game" with him of merely PRETENDING to oppose him.

You can't equate Black reaction to racism with racist Caucasian behavior itself. If a woman sees a man who raped her in the past and she starts crying and throwing things at him saying "leave me alone you bastard".....would any intelligent person accuse her of being "incendiary" or hateful? Bobby Rush and Rev. Wright were REACTING to the racism they both faced in their lives from Caucasian hostility. No Black person attacked or demeaned Gov. Northam as a child or young adult to push him toward wearing black-face or posing with a Klansman, so his behavior wasn't a reaction to an offense but was a deep desire of his that he felt was "fun" to make fun of how Africans look.

Still observing the results, lol.

I've decided NOT to listen to his speech. I'm not drinking any Kool-Aid he's offering.

Not sure how well he did as I'm just now getting home and have to check it out for myself but..... All this talk about Black unemployment being at it's lowest in history is a damn lie. I remember myself when far more Black people were working in the late 70s and early 80s. than they are today and that's just the time period I've witnessed. They are using DECEPTIVE unemployment figures that only count people who are receiving unemployment checks....meaning you were actually "laid off". If you quit a job, got fired from a job, never had a job to begin with, or are locked up in jail where thousands of Black men are.....you're not considered "unemployed". The longer he remains in office, the more opportunities he'll have to pull rabbits out of the hat and tricks from up his sleaves to keep his position. One of his strategies is to find SOMETHING each group likes and touch on THAT issue in order to get support from all of them.

With all the shit they're putting in the water here in Michigan and how it affects your behavior, a man never knows when he may get the "urge" to cross over to the other side (if you know what I mean).

Troy Ofcourse they see Black masculinity as the problem because it competes with White masculinity which is the default Patriarchal system this society operates on and causes confusion in their minds over who they should be loyal to and put their trust in. Which is why so many AfroAmerican women love and defend morally weak AfroAmerican men and gay AfroAmerican men; because neither pose a serious threat to the system of White dominance and they know their place and role as Black antagonists in a White system kind of like the fool or court jester knows his place in the King's palace. And suggesting to Black women how to dress and how to present themselves is a sign of Black masculinity.

I wish you guys would stand up and defend Black men with atleast HALF the zeal with which you defend these White racists. Although his accusations were more serious, I didn't hear anyone making these kind of excuses when it came to Cosby's case.

Troy I'm certain he does not feel as though I'm attacking him. I suspect that he would be more likely to laugh at the dig rather than feel "attacked." WRONG! I'm actually on my way to Florida right now to find you to handle some bid'ness. ....I have a picture of you and list of gay bars and night clubs to start with. "Have any of you seen THIS man: ....hanging around here lately looking like he doesn't have anything else to do BUT hang around here?"

Ofcourse it wasn't him..lol. He admitted it and then denied it THEN admitted to putting on black-face to do a Michael Jackson impression later on. Are you telling me that a man with the intellect to become a DOCTOR and GOVERNOR somehow couldn't remember what he did back in his early adulthood??? That's almost as silly as telling me that someone who had the intellectual capabilities to graduate college and enter Medical school was somehow too stupid to realize how racist and insensitive his behavior was....lol. This didn't happen back in the 40s or 50s....it happened in the 80's!!!! Well after the Civil Rights movement and in the age of Jesse Jackson where the KKK and black-face minstrel shows were well known by nearly everyone to be racist and offensive. Yeah....he was sorry alright....sorry he got caught.

If he was TRULY remorseful....why didn't he apologize UNTIL he got caught?

Chev Perhaps "not finding agreement" isn't the best term to use, but not seeing eye to eye would be a better term. I'm not saying that you or Cynique see him as an enemy, I'm just saying that most conscious Black men assume most intelligent Black women will naturally ally with them and agree with them on certain issues when Afrocentricism is often the furthest thing from their mind and Black empowermen isn't one of their goals. Racial politics, and politics in general is mostly a masculine thing because it involves a territorial mindset that MOST (though certainly not all) women will never understand so they can't relate to why a conscious man would EXPECT certain behavior and thinking from them. The average mentality among most of our women is: "What's wrong with ME putting blonde highlights in MY hair if that's what I want to do? Don't I have a right to do with MY hair what I want?????"

Troy If you're smart enough to get into Medical school...you certainly aren't dumb. Maybe not wise enough to realize the repercussions of your actions, but you INTENDED to do what you did. But to answer your question, if they are getting paid MILLIONS to just put on wigs and dresses simply to entertain White folks...then I'm jealous, lol.

Nubian Cynique asked you how old you are and you declined to give an age, but based on how intelligent you seem but how much you're still trying to convince these women to see things a certain way.....I'm guessing you're in your mid-30s, lol. Man, you can type paragraph after paragraph and page after page explaining yourself and STILL find be misunderstood on this subject for 2 major reasons: 1. Most men and women just think differently, especially when it comes to social subjects and they will NEVER see things your way no matter how well you articulate it. 2. Most AfroAmerican women today aren't as concerned about Afrocentric ideology as most AfroAmerican men are because they don't see white supremacy as the problem, they see BLACK MASCULINITY as the problem. Now if you think I'm lying or in error- as much as you've repeatedly called them "sista" how many times have they refered to you as "brother"?