Pioneer1

We definately need to push for more Black businesses. But brother I would caution our people not to focus TOO much on entreprenuership. Why? Because someone has to be the worker. Someone has to do the heavy work, hard work, grimey work, mopping the floors, building the buildings, paving the streets, ect..... It takes ALL of this to build a soild Black community. Too often a lot of our brothers and sisters want to own their own business NOT to empower the Black community, but simply because they no longer want to "work" and they figure if they own their own business they could enjoy reaping the benefits while OTHERS do the work and handle the customers. It's sad but true. White folks make the brother get up early in the morning to come to work and forces him to act in a professional manner (all to benefit them ofcourse)....he get's tired of that lifestyle because he feels it's too strict so he quits and gets his own business. He wakes up when he wants to, talks to the customers however he wants to, and then wonder why his business went under. I think only a SMALL MINORITY of any population Black, White, Asian, ect.....are actually fit to be business OWNERS and the vast majority should be WORKERS who are getting decent compensation for their labor. Our people need to be taught how to take pride in their work again and learn how to be good workers and produce good products. For the small minority who actually start their own firms, they need to learn good CUSTOMER SERVICE. That's where a lot of our people fail. They have great products, but when it comes to customer service and managing their businesses efficiently.....they fall short. Too many staff their business with family members and friends instead of qualified employees and then wonder why the business failed. But overall, you're right we definately need to keep it in the family and own our own.

I really think the movie is being shaded in the media. Most Black people I know HAVEN'T seen the movie yet, they're too busy watching Girl's Trip for the third and fourth time....lol. But the Black people who HAVE seen the movie agree with me on how deep and eye opening it is. When I came out of the theater I was puzzled. I kept hearing such bad things about the movie and critics were using terms like "dark" and "pessimistic" and so when I went to see it I was expecting a flop but it turned out to be far better than I thought. But what puzzled me was why the movie got such bad reviews and why no Black talk shows or entertainment sites are really talking about it. This is one of the few movies that admittedly shows the blatant racism and brutality of a major police department.

That is a VERY powerful image. I'm proud of these sisters for that. And I also learned something. East Harlem...... I don't know too much about New York's ethnic neighborhood but isn't East Harlem the same as Spanish Harlem?

Mel I've provided evidence that black people can and ARE doing better than expected and then you throw in your definition of success and tell me I mentioned nothing about what's on your mind. I don't live in your world - I definitely have no clue what's on your mind. I GAVE you a clue of what was on my mind when I told you what MY idea of success was before asking you the question. I said: "When I say successful I mean it in the generally understood sense of being healthy, financially independent, with stable families and homes." Go on back there and read it.....lol...it's still there. But instead of answering the question as posed, you come running out with some paper you got from The Atlantic that talks about how over 70% of Black folks managed to avoid poverty as if we should be happy and thankful. Don't act like I'm making things up as I go along. I told you EXACTLY what I meant by success and asked you if you believe Black folks met that the criteria; instead you ignored it and gave me some unverified statistic that doesn't even touch the question. As far as Black people doing better than expected................... Better than expected by WHOM? Hell, some expected Black people to be EXTINCT by now with all the traps like drugs and AIDS put out to destroy them. So yeah, we're still ALIVE....lol. But it's not enough to simply hold on, hang on, and stay alive. Again, my idea of success is THRIVING with a stable home, good health, strong and healthy social life, and making over $40,000 a year atleast depending on where you live. That puts one solidly in the MIDDLE of Middle Class (between working class and professional class) and that's what the majority of Americans should under normal circumstances.

Troy OK Pioneer I guess I'm getting caught up on your equating "weak" with "recessive." Well Webster's dictionary defines recessive as: producing little or no phenotypic effect when occurring in heterozygous condition with a contrasting allele One of the definition of "weak" is having no effect....no power. But you can just look at recessive's antonym "dominant" which obviously means strong and conclude that it's opposite has to mean weak. Pioneer what is the difference between a light skinned Black person and a dark skinned white person? Technically, the only "light skinned" Black people are those who happen to be albinos. Other than them, the light skinned people we usually CALL Black are those who actually have some White ancestry whose particular genes have influenced their skin color. I'm not sure what you mean about a "dark skinned" White person. There are White people with what are considered dark features like dark hair and eyes that often make THEM appear darker, but if you just look at their skin it's usually just as White as any other White person. But perhaps you can post a few pictures of who you're talking about and I can then eleborate more.

Troy Carriers of the trait are less likely to get Malaria, than people without it, but Pioneer would consider that "weak" since the trait is recessive? Did I explain your position correctly Not really. First of all keep in mind that I didn't say White people were just weak period. There are a lot of strong White people who lift weights or run or are strong intellectually. I said GENETICALLY weak/recessive. Meaning they had weaker genetics. But more to my point..... Having one or two weak or recessive genes doesn't necessarily make a person weak. Having a preponderance or overwhelming number of them would. For example...... There are Black people with ligh skin, but their hair and eyes are brown and curly. There are Black people with green eyes, but they may have dark skin, dark hair. As opposed to someone with white skin, green eyes, and blonde hair having a prepoderance of recessive genes. White people have known this about themselves for a MUCH longer time that most Black people have about them. Why do you think they came up with the "one drop" rule that makes anyone with any Black ancestry "Black"? I don't agree with that rule......but they came up with that rule in part because of knowing how strong Black genes were and how weak their own genes were in comparison.

Del Why do put your motives on other people and say that's how it is. When people here consistently say that's not their experience . Several reasons............... First, with all due respect to you and all of the others on the board, you all and your current experiences DO NOT represent the lifestyle and views of the majority of Black people in America. With the exception of maybe Cynique, you all are highly degreed and for the most part successful professionals, which is good. You've found a way to manuever through this system regardless of it's racism and injustices, which is also good. But unfortunately MOST Black people have not and it is THEIR experiences that actually predominate this society, not yours. Even if you started off poor like Troy, whatever motivated you or him to study and work your way out of poverty DID NOT motivate other Black people of the same potential....which means even what motivates you is different from most. I'm part of that poor and working class which is why my experiences and views don't always line up with yours. Also, because this is the internet and especially this is a board more geared toward authors and others more inclinded toward intellectual pursuits, you're going to get more perspectives from educated Black professionals than from the average poor or working class Black person.

Troy I already have a BASIC (very basic) understanding of how genes and alleles work. I know why dominant genes are called dominant. But again, what you just said doesn't negate or invalidate my point. It just re-enforces it. DOMINANT MEANS STRONGER. Also, what you said about dominant genes being able to produce BOTH dominant and recessive traits while recessive genes can ONLY produce recessive traits is exactly in line with what Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam taught even as far back as the 1930s. They taught that Black people are dominant with dominant genes. He taught that WE are the first people on the planet and that everyone else came FROM us in recessive stages. The last stage would be the most recessive people with the most recessive genes....being the White race. Just like dominant genes can produce both dominant AND recessive, while recessive genes can only produce that which is recessive...... Elijah Muhammad taught....again back in the 30s that Black people can produce people of ALL colors; while white people can produce only other White people. BTW.... No, I didn't learn this in school....lol. I forgot much of what I was taught in school but I know they didn't each us about this. I learned it on my own.

Del What color is the sky in your world. What sky? We build underground in my world. 　 What i am question is your sanity in thinking that you can receive sex for doing what Man should do. Thats what i find confusing. It's always value for value. Either your sense of self is high or you value others struggle for resources too low. Oh....man "should" do???? I see you still believe that men have roles and women have roles. If you feel men (or even women for that matter) SHOULD do anything "just because" then you aren't as free of a thinker as you THINK you are. Rather than using pure reason and logic, clearly your morals and views have been heavily influenced by the society you grew up in and/or the society you currently reside in. Men have historically done the things traditionally seen as "the manly thing to do" for 2 main reasons: 1. They did it to ultimately earn the right to have sex with the woman/women of their choice. 2. They did it because they were TAUGHT to do it by other men in society....meaning it was a tradition. Being brave and fighting to protect not just yourself but your woman. Working to take care of your woman. Shoveling your neighbor's snow or cutting their grass for free Holding the door open for women These are all considered "manly" things to do but they aren't NATURAL for men to do. They are learned behaviors that were taught to them as boys by older men who themselves we taught to do these things. My point is if you go back far enough, these things were done by men to IMPRESS women or win their FAVOR to attract them and ultimately have sex with them.

with his golf ball-sized gonads. ?????? What's wrong with golf ball sized gonads? Anyway......... I'm not hating on Colin. Again, I'm glad the "young brother" is taking a stand...lol. But again, besides calling attention to a problem that everyone already knows exists, what exactly is the goal or end game to what he's doing? When Kenneth Frazier had a problem with his boss or atleast the man who's team he was on.....he didn't just go into the conference room with Trump and take a knee. Nor did he toss his pen on the conference table and refuse to take notes or give Trump suggestions in some sort of "protest". .....the man LEFT. .....he QUIT. He recognized an injustice and inconsistency that he didn't want to associate himself with and left the entire team all togethe telling the entire world that he will no longer associate himself with a man that racially insensative. Contrast that with Colin who refuses to stand for the National Athem but CONTINUES TO PLAY THE GAME. ....making money for and entertaining the same White people who are causing the problems he's protesting. I think he'd have a bigger impact if he lead Black NFL members on a STRIKE to stop playing all together.

Del I am paying my respects by keeping you in line. Young brother. Lol...... I see you can take a man out of the "boogie down" but you can't take the boogie out of him. Troy do you believe you are senior to Pioneer or was the "young" comment a subtle dig? I won't even address the keeping him in line part. I'm just pointing out the subtle aggression you express toward him, that I was referenced in the other conversation. I actually didn't take it as aggression. I took it as a playful attempt to "check" me on my statement with the added age factor that Black men often use on eachother....as in a sense of "schooling" someone younger or less experienced or pulling their coat. But I believe Del's statement was less about seriously checking me for not paying respects to Jerry and more of a jovial poke. Besides, if you and Del are around the same age then he is INDEED a little older than me anyway.....lol. I've said so many times, the English language is too simple to capture the full meaning of social relations in the Black community so as a language it doesn't have words to describe what Del did...lol. You just have to be Black or grow up in a Black community to completely understand. Like calling someone "bruh" (as opposed to "bro" or "brutha" )today is considered a subtle act of aggression but most people outside of the Black community don't realize that. But one day I believe WE WILL either come up with a language or alter the English language in a way that captures our true emotions and intentions and how we really relate to eachother and be able to put it in words. But it will take BLACK PEOPLE to do that, standard English will not allow it.

Troy Pioneer when you say one race is "genetically weaker" than the other, you are actually saying one race is inferior than the other-- that is what your statement means. Well if that's what it means, then it's not what I'M saying but it's what White/Western scientists are saying. Western science makes it clear that blonde hair, fair skin, and blue eyes are RECESSIVE traits while dark hair, skin, and eyes are DOMINANT. The chart showing the different traits as being dominant or recessive does not mean stronger or weaker it just indicates how the traits are inherited. Dominant = strong or dominating Recessive = weak or passive That's why I said they were genetically weaker. Because they carry more genes for the blue eyes, fair skin, and blonde hair than any other group of people on the planet. However if you or anyone else says weakness means inferiority then I'm not saying it but YOU and SCIENCE are whether you recognize it or not because recessive is just another term for weak or passive.

Del Pioneer no Rest in Peace for Jerry Lewis? Ofcourse...... When are you going to offer it to him?

So all the Black men Mel knows are driven, high achieving CEOs who keep up their lawns and are very respectful and helpful to the women in their lives. And all the Black men Del knew growing up in New York...even the hustlers and thugs.....weren't interested in sex and could care less whether or not they got women or even impressed them. Clearly we DO live in different worlds. I need someone to send me a plane ticket out of the twighlight zone....lol. Del I have hung with hustler legit and not legal. However i haven't cone across anyone that gives money or sex away to encourage a person they aren't in a relationship with. Let me know how that's working for you. Since by you reckoning and deeds you should not be lacking for "comforts." I think you're misunderstanding me. It's not the hustler that gives sex for encouragement. The hustler GETS sex and money as an encouragement and reward for his scheming and grinding. The goal of most street hustlers is to get money, power, and sex. The same as most men who call themselves Presidents, CEOs, and world leaders. Most men want the same thing regardless of their social status....but they may use different avenues to arrive at the same goal. Others give money or sex to HIM to influence him or encourage him. Men will give him money to influence him and women will sleep with him to influence him or because they are attracted to his power in the streets.

I went down to see the eclipse too. I went down to Kentucky. I don't know about you Troy but I saw more Confederate Flags up in Ohio than I did down in Kentucky. It seems to me that the White people were friendlier down in Kentucky also because we stopped in both states for gas, food, ect...... I've noticed that since childhood when my parents would take me down South on summer vacation. In Michigan it was segregated. The Whites would live in one place and party one way and Black people lived in another and partied another way. White and Black kids usually went to different schools. The only time they really came together was for WORK, and barely tolerated eachother there. But when I went down South back in the late 70s and 80s I noticed that Blacks and Whites lived together, worked together, went to school together, and partied together. But I saw more racism and segregation in CHICAGO than anywhere I've ever been. The Confederate battle flag has NOTHING to do with heritage. It if does....why are so many White people born and raise in the North and Midwest waving it? It's all about White people pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with. That's how it starts. One or two will fly the flag and if there's no push back or confrontation, more will do it....pretty soon a Black man or woman ends up getting lynched.

I didn't say Whites were inferior to Blacks, I said they were genetically weaker. This is a scientific fact that most learned Whites will readily admit. We care more of the dominate genes such as for curly hair, dark skin, dark eyes, more taste buds, dark hair, ect....... Take a look at this chart that shows you the different physical traits based on which is dominant (strong) and which is recessive (weak) and you tell me which race holds the most dominant genes for the most dominant traits:

What makes Frazier's move so much more impressive and effective in MY opinion are the two different industries they're taking their stands in. The sports industry and the business world. Being rebellious and bucking authority is often seen as a badge of honor among most young people and especially when it's being done by athletes in the sports industry. It thrives off of controversy and shake-ups. The sports worlds is FULL of young men who strut around showing the world how strong and brave they are...bravado and cockiness is just part of sports. But in the more conservative business world, what Mr Frazier did was considered VERY bold and unusual. Especially to a fellow businessman like Trump who cares so much more weight in the business world than he does in the general public. Love or hate his policies, Trump is still praised for his business savviness. So for a fellow businessman and CEO to take this stand and take it in public in such a conservative and reserved industry......that talks balls the size of basketballs.

Don't run around believing all of this talk about White people "going extinct". They've been saying this for decades and White people are still here. Just like they've been saying that blonde people or blue eyed people will be extinct by the year 2020 or some other year. Look at all the pregnant White women you see walking around. Look at all the White women you see walking around pushing baby carriages with 4 and 5 kids in them. White women are having children by the LITTERS! You keep hearing about White women having triplets and quadruplets....when was the last time you saw a Black woman with 3 or 4 babies that she had at one time? You can't go into a restaurant and eat in peace without seeing a White woman with her titty out feeding one of her babies daring you to say something about it, with 2 or 3 other kids bouncing around and squealing.....lol. This is nothing more than "dog whistles" used to alarm White people and especially White racists and whip them up into a frenzy to try and harm more people of color. If they believe they're going to go extinct then they start taking steps to INCREASE their population while DECIMATING the population of people of color through AIDS, warfare, crime, poverty, ect...... It's the BLACK POPULATION you better worry about.

Yep, both Dick Gregory and Jerry Lewis left about the same time. May our elder Dick Gregory have a lasting peace and tranquility.

Troy Your time is valuable and you two can be doing anything else, but you have decided to provide this forum with the benefit of your insight and perspectives. Why? I'm here to keep an eye on Cynique. If she goes to far, someone has to be here to rein her in. Mel 　 The majority (73%) of black people in the inner cities of America and the majority (80%) of black people in the suburbs are living above the poverty line. Lol @ "above the poverty line". So THAT'S your definition of "success"???? Lol....above some arbitrary "poverty line" that usually crunches a family of 4 people into about $20,000 a year or some other ridiculous figure that no human being could possibly suppot themselves on in this nation. You mentioned nothing about quality of life, health care, family relations, legal issue, and other factors of real success in society. But as long as nearly 3 quarters of negroes aren't living in squalor (according to The Atlantic)....most Black folks are doing great?? ((shakes head)) Thank you nicely kindly for atleast answering my question, but I might as well end this conversation right here. Del Troy what in your experience helps you understand. That Black Women should be cheerleaders to Black Men and have sex with them to encourage them in the struggle. Man, how could you grow up in New York or any urban community and NOT understand this? You can understand Wall Street, the stock market, and what influences IT......... But do you mean to sit up and tell me that you can't understand how Black women and sex can be used to influence Black men????

Troy Most people, even racists, view and treat celebrities as if they are superior to other humans. But this of course has nothing to do with the person. If I'm a white racist and I don't happen to know you are a celebrity you are just another nigger to me... With some White people, infact a LOT of White people.....being a celebrity or just being very successful in general makes White people hate you even WORSE. If you notice, a lot of White people seem to LOVE Black people they CLEARLY feel they're superior to. They love to see homeless Black folks out begging, they'll even give them money and a hug or take a picture of them and put it in a publication for a story. Why? Because it re-enforces the belief that Black people are poor and need their help. Meanwhile they'll hate on the wealthy Black entertainer or athlete and talk about all the money they have or spread rumors about some sex scandal or vice they're involved with. Truth be told...... I believe this is one of the reasons so many athletes find themselves in trouble with the law and in court. You have poorer White police officers and other public officials with less money and fame who are angry and jealous and they make it a point to "go after" wealthy Black entertainers to teach them not to get too "uppity" and forget their status. I used to work with a White dude who would grab the paper every morning and read it aloud just to antagonize his co-workers and one of the things he liked doing is talking about all the money these football players or basketball players were getting. Xeon I could not bring myself to argue with the idea that an artist who is extremely popular should be criticized because their attractiveness makes girls who are less attractive feel bad about themselves It's not the physical attraction of these artists that is the problem, it's the fact that they only seem to find attractive artists who LOOK ALMOST WHITE. You have attractive and unattractive people in every race, but they'll disregard the dark skinned attractive man or woman to promote the one who looks nearly White in order to promote "white beauty" among Black people. That’s like me saying the guys in the NBA or NFL make me feel bad about myself because I do not possess the level of athleticism they do. If your self esteem and feelings of self worth are so low that an entertainer makes you question your own self worth and self-perception of attractiveness –I think that says it all. The sheer absurdity of such thinking is ridiculous. You clearly don't understand SOCIAL ENGINEERING and how it operates. Everything you believe about beauty has been TAUGHT to you.

A lot of rumors are being intentionally spread also. One young White dude I talk with from time to time but suspect of being a white racist at a local restaurant told me of a local KKK rally they were having a few miles away. But when I checked up on it.....nothing. Now I'm thinking why would he tell me that? Was he just trying to scare me or see my reaction? Yesterday I was going to a Walgreens drug store and I see a truck parked in the lot with a big confederate flag license plate and 2 people inside eating. I look around to see if any other Black people are seeing what I'm seeing and I see a couple of young Black couple on their cell phones just jabbering and texting away. I look at the truck, and I look at the Black man and woman. So I go up to them and try to get their attention in a way that doesn't alert the occupants of the nearby truck. The girl doesn't eve get off the phone, but atleast the young man stops texting and looks at me. I point out the truck and confederate flag to them. The boy covers his mouth like a girl and says "Oh shnapp...." Not exactly the response I was expecting from a young man, but atleast it was a response. The girl glances over and say something along the lines of, "I don't know girl, some racist ass truck in the parking lot of something....anyway....". ......and kept talking and laughing over something silly. Me and the young man had a brief conversation about Charlottseville and I told him to be careful and went on inside. But I felt sorry for him and his being put in a position of having to defend a woman like that who doesn't seem to understand or care about the potential danger she may be in. It goes back to what I was saying about Black men needing support from the women in the community. It's hard to fight for someone who doesn't care. It makes you feel like giving up and letting "whatever" happen to them in order to teach them some sort of lesson of how to show respect and support.

Happy Birthday! I always knew you were in your own little bubble.....lol.

Troy Religions are all man made, but most I imagine started out attempting to enlighten people I used to think this. Now I'm beginning to believe that most religions in the past started off the same way most businesses are started today.....and for the same reasons. One man either gets an idea of how to make some money, or he gets jealous of another man he's working with/for.....and he decides to branch off and do his own thing. It's the same with most religions. One man (usually a man for some reason....lol) gets an idea in his head and goes off to convincing others that it was divinely inspirted. Or he's already a part of a religion and recognizes the racket going on and decides to branch off and do his OWN thing. Either way, the man who starts the religion usually ends up with a lot of wealth, fame, and his share of women. If you study many ancient societies........ Look at the priests in these societies and how they didn't have to do hard labor or risk death fighting like other men did. All they had to do is sit up in cool temples studying and eating foods that people gave them. The God we seek is within each of us, all matter, and all time. I think we have to be careful with this line of thinking. It's similar to what Del and Mel were saying in the other thread about everyone having a talent or everyone can be great and exceptional if they work hard enough or put their minds to it. After years of observing people, I just can't say that this is the case with EVERYONE. Some people are just mediocre and others are simply below average and we have to accept them as that and most importantly they have to ACCEPT THEMSELVES as that. There is a young man in my neighborhood right now who is below average in intelligence and has had all types of special education help in school and medication for his ADD and now he somehow made it in a community college and his family keeps urging him to get a degree and do this and that.....but he is clearly unhappy and having a hard time keeping up. He's constantly coming to me for advice and I give him the best advice I can without hurting his feelings, but I'm on the verge of telling him to drop out and just get a simple job he can handle and don't have children because he won't be able to take care of them anyway. But if I was to tell the boy something like that his mother and family probably never would forgive me and it may even hurt him more than he's being hurt now as he struggles to do something clearly beyond his capacity to do. People should be taught how to be happy and satisfied with their own abilities no matter how limited. Del Most people that are religious or spiritual suspend logic. I don't know about spiritual people, but I believe this is true with many if not most religious people to a certain extent. If your religion teaches you that all you have to do to be successful in life is do "a b and c" and you do it and are NOT successful.....then you have to play mind games and explain why the method your religion prescribed isn't working. You force yourself to believe in things you know in your heart aren't true. You go into a state of what's called "cognative dissonance" believing contradicting ideas.

Mel 　 ... I don't run away from jury duty. I get called regularly because I VOTE in every election. Well, I vote regularly too...for candidates I actually like...and so far I have YET to be called to jury duty. One of the things that has bothered me about the legal system is how they claim you're supposed to be judge by a jury of your PEERS. Yet they pick jury members from a list of local registered voters. Most of these are educated middle class people with good jobs and clean criminal records. How are they "peers" to most people in the ghetto or living in poverty? If a man convicted of a crime happens to be unemployed, poor, and Black.....then his PEERS are also unemployed, poor, Black...and male....so THAT'S who should make up the jury pool! Oh, and I'm never nice. I don't waste my time on it. Well if you have children you MUST have been nice to some man or men....lol. Now are you going to answer my question: Do you believe that the majority of Black people in the United States are NOT successful? Troy Black or white, male or female, we all should be doing a better job of supporting each other. I believe the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is the ultimate human entity that bears the responsibility in making sure all members of this society have their material needs supported. They should be the one who makes sure no one goes without food, clothing, shelter, or healthcare. I don't have enough trust in individual human beings being nice or charitable enough to provide support for those who really need it. Mel's statments about people being lazy or only the strong surviving is a great example of the thinking of a lot of people and why we shouldn't rely on "good will" or expect a sympathetic population to step in and help those who are the most vulnerable. You have people with all type of philosophies and moral points of view. Some believe that poor people are poor because of moral issues and they deserve it. Other's feel that poor people were born with "bad karma". Others believe poor and sick people are "defective" and that they should be allowed to die so as not to spread their "defective genes".....like the Nazis used to believe. You have ALL TYPES of views and judgements about poverty, some are rational and others irrational. So you must have a government welfare system that by-passes all the opinions and moral judgements and just support the BASIC NEEDS of people who are not able to do it for themselves for whatever reason. Just the basics....and if they have the talents or the smarts to do MORE then by all means do it. It's the same with the sick..... Some people believe those who are sick are sick because of poor decisions like drinking too much or smoking cigarettes.....and THEY believe those people should suffer from the consequences of those decisions while not realizing how cruel and torturing it is to make someone suffer and die from lung cancer simply because of a stupid decision they made as kids. Again, others believe people get sick because of a genetic defect and that they should be allowed to die off. We can't rely on support from individuals like this or even expect sympathy from them. You have UNIVERSAL health care provided by the government to by-pass all of that foolish thinking and just help people who need help when they need it without judging them. Xeon Oh really? Can you tell me exactly how STRONG Black men are locked up for displaying strength and bravery? Please give details. And please also tell me what "culture or society praises and encourages men to be weak and passive". I know of no culture like that. More details please…… Look at all the gang members inside prison. Most of these men are young, physically strong, and brave with a propensity toward violence. 1000 years ago in more traditional socities where violence and bravery were characteristics highly prized in men by other men as well as the women of that society.....these same men would have been HIGHLY respected and would receive honorary social status in those societies. Most of these young men in prison are probably highly sexed and brag about all the women they were having sex with on the outside....another highly prized trait in the ANCIENT WORLD. So the typical "ganster" in prison may be strong, brave, and violent....meaning he's willing to take action...and a sex machine which means he virile and potent. NATURE MADE HIM STRONG.....but this society demonizes him. In this society he is imprisoned for his behavior which is frowned upon and seen as barbaric and immature. Now goofy nerdy men like Bill Gates and other techies are considered high in social status. They may be weak and cowardly but in this artificial world THEY now have the wealth and the women are taught to go for them instead of the strong, violent, "thug" on the street who could give her many babies and actually protect her from harm. Much of what is natural for humanity has been turned upside down in this artificial society. But I suppose you believe that type of thinking is "twisted".....lol.