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ProfD They won't be able to get around the constitution. You'd be surprised what they can and will do if they really want to. The Constitution is supposed to protect you from unlawful search and seizures but so many Black and poor people have been victims of it despite it violating their Constitutional Rights. Citizens are guaranteed the right to vote, but they just said FUCK IT and made it illegal for felons to vote in certain states despite them being citizens. Clearly unconstitutional. So if they really want to ignore the 14th Amendment, they will. These four years will be interesting as it relates to illegal immigration. They will be interesting regardless. I'm curious to see if a Republican administration handles it any differently. Well remember, the man was ALREADY in office for 4 years and his Administration didn't seem to have much of an impact on immigration legal OR illegal. The only thing that slowed down illegal immigration during the first Trump Administration was Covid.

I watch this channel hosted by these 2 intelligent young bruthaz, quite a bit. This particular show they're hosting kind of lines up with what we're discussing here, concerning the nature and origins of Christianity.

I was too busy looking at Jet's "Beauty of the Week"...lol.

ProfD There may be strings attached to the UBI. There almost certainly will be. richardmurray your correct, all systems can be abused, remember the first lotto in the usa was in new york state and it was sold to the voters as a way to help schools but that is not where that money goes so... It's the same thing in Michigan. They told us the money would be going to help the schools, but most of the public schools are more defunded and fucked up now than they were in the 70s. can universal basic income be abused? yes . will each of the fifty states in the usa utilize universal basic income the same? no. And like health insurance/pension plans it will be a state by state variance that will financially be important to mention. The problem with the "state by state" plan is it will encourage a lot of destabilization and moving around as people will move from one state to the next seeking better benefits. If Colorado is offering a UBI of $2,500 a month and Texas is offering only $1,500...what's to stop poor people from packing up and moving up to the Rocky mountains?

frankster For me it is not a question. It MUST be a question, you put a question mark at the end of it...lol. For you it is? No. I believe The SUPREME BEING Is. I don't speculate as to Location. Often Spirits are Asleep in the sense that they are Unaware Cut off or Not Remembering - The physical body has that effect. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I can actually agree. I was referring to Knowledge of and about the meaning of the Virgin Birth My guess is you were seeking knowledge about curing a disease as well as the virgin birth Guess again, because you're HALF WAY right...lol. I'm seeking knowledge about a LOT of things, and among them is the curing of diseases. What I'm NOT seeking knowledge of is "the virgin birth". I'm not interested in it's details in the least. I don't see how knowing about it helps our people. Is that clear enough for you? Yes. Thank you. You've made more sense in THIS one post than you've had in the last 5 combined! You must have took a "One A Day For Men" vitamin before you logged on, lol. Yes Ok. I'm curious as to HOW you "know" this for sure, since you say you were basically TOLD this. Because I know where to look and how to look Seems to me you should be looking WITH IN, if it's not Awakened in you yet. Look inside and find out why it's not activated yet. Yep...because I know more than they do. You have Masters Coaches Trainers and Researches Coaches and Trainers have EXPERIENCE. You admitted that it hasn't occurred within you yet, so you don't even have EXPERIENCE...let alone enough experience to be a Master Coach or Trainer. Ohh...so you are incapable of recognizing when someone is seeking advice/guidance. If you understood the full context of the conversation you'd recognize that he was NOT coming to me seeking advice. Actually if I remember correctly, he...like you...liked to argue and debate me over different things and we were talking about women and sex and orgasm. If I remember correctly, that's how the issue came up. A person seeking advice or guidance from you doesn't challenge your statements and argue to the contrary with you...lol. He came to you for support and help instead you insulted his ego and manhood....that is abuse No...I taught him a very valuable lesson in manhood. Don't go around telling all of your personal business. Part of manhood is knowing WHAT to say, WHEN to say it, and WHO to say it to. He acted unwisely and ended up enduring the consequences for his unwise decision to divulge private and embarrassing details of his sex life. I bet he didn't make that same mistake again. You talk about abuse.... He better be glad I wasn't the type of brutha to FIND OUT who his girlfriend was, push up on her, and see if I could give her what he apparently couldn't. He better be glad.

He looked like a Somali to me too. Anybody can change their name, but in the videos I've seen of him his hair looks a little wavy or straight like he was from the African Horn like Somalia or Ethiopia. But according to the reports I've seen and seeing and hearing his brother, he's AfroAmerican. Nobody really has to be broke in America or anywhere else. The conditions have been set up to feed every other aspect of society. You're looking at things from an idealistic point of view. Technically, yes there is enough money and resources to feed every single person in the U.S...and the planet for that matter. However from a street point of view, there are many reasons why people are broke and hungry in the land of plenty. -Some people are drug addicts or alcoholic and can't hold a job long enough to keep money and take care of themselves -Some people are too lazy to hold a job -Some people are too stupid or crazy to hold a job -Some people can hold a job and keep one but can't control their money and end up wasting their resources until their broke Multiple reasons why so many people are broke and on hard times.

If Trump can find a way around the 14th Amendment.... Natural born citizens OF illegal immigrants are covered under the 14th Amendment. They're trying to find a way around that. Remember back in the 80s with the drug laws. Even if you bought a house or car legally with money, if the money you used was attained THROUGH selling dope or doing things that were illegal...then that gave them legal grounds to seize the stuff you bought with it. Along similar lines.. Even if the children are legal, if they were birth in illegal circumstances then their citizenship may be in jeopardy.

frankster The fact that they are coming here says that... Just because someone comes sailing through another environment, doesn't necessarily mean they're coming to look for help. When you see the police sliding through your neighborhood...doesn't mean they're looking for "help" does it? You speak for all earthlings? No. That's why I said I'M NOT SURE that all Earthlings need help. I Never heard them...Is that why you don't try and free them? I didn't try to "free" them because I didn't know they were in bondage. Are they? If you never heard from them, how do you know their state? So if someone meets in an accidents and is incapable of communicating that they need help....my guess is you not going to help ? If they are in an accident and I can CLEARLY SEE they are in need of help, I will do what I can. What's clearly UNDERSTOOD doesn't need to be SAID. No they did not tell me that. Yes it is my Speculation Thanks for clarifying that. So...at what point does "help" or them "needing help" as you suggested earlier, come into the picture? They receive help not Rescue Sometimes help IS to be rescued. If a man is ice fishing and falls through the ice, how do you "help" him? He doesn't need FINANCIAL help. You don't hold out a card to a financial guru that'll help him get his credit together and hope he can stop thrashing around and having seizures from the ice cold water long enough to mutter out a "thanks for the help big pimpin' ". No...you RESCUE him! In this case RESCUE = HELP That would be my guess Who? Espanol = Quien? Tell me who these Beings have helped to go from weak to strong. No need to sign up.....sit quietly be still and listen. Ok, I'm quiet, still, and I'm listening. Now when should I receive this knowledge? I never knew The Christ left. Did you ever know Christ, period? Or have you just READ about him. The Bible said he was TAKEN UP into a cloud. Both I take it you don't believe that these Beings are superior to humans if you think they can be captured, killed, and turned into guinea pigs.

ProfD AfroAmericans have to insure their own house is in order before they try to establish connections with others. Build power first. It draws others to doing business. While you're right... Some niggaz ain't NEVER gonna get it together, lol. If you sit up waiting on THEM to get their house in order... "Yall ain't got this house in order YET???? How much longer is it gonna be???" You're gonna be waiting a mighty long time....lol. Some of us are ready and need to go ahead and make that move. Under the system of racism white supremacy, Black folks aren't going to control anything without having power. Power is built or taken. Either way, once it's done, making moves becomes easier. But according to you, under this system...Black folks AREN'T going to get any power. So they will have no control. So if that's true, then the next best thing is for INDIVIDUALS and SMALL GROUPS of Black folks to try to secure some power and wealth for themselves. However, I do not believe society is responsible for taking care of able-bodied people who are lazy whether it's mental or physical as Dr. Umar might say....AT ALL Then you must be prepare to put some of them to sleep...as Dr. Umar would say FOR GOOD Because if you take their food away and push them into a corner, they're NOT going to get a job and work. They're going to turn to robbing, stealing, jacking, and murder. Unless you lock them away or kill them. This is not all broke or all people on public assistance obviously, but a lot of them. they dare not let white folks think or believe Black folks are capable of inflicting mass casualties. They aren't mentioning his race at all. I'm glad. With these racists trying to back pedal on the mass deportation and some of them trying to figure out a way to keep SOME immigrants while deporting others, the last thing we need is the images of some crazy ass brainwashed nigga on the screen giving them ideas of who they should actually target instead. All they need is an excuse to stop looking at the Mexican and start looking at ways to round niggaz up and ship them off somewhere. Black folks should just be cool and sit back and wait to see how this deportation thing plays out and not draw too much attention to themselves.

richardmurray Who is "we"??? YOU and ME...lol.

ProfD You're right...these bootlicks and shills aren't physically harming Black people. Wait a minute.... I said those who AREN'T harming our people directly or indirectly. Even if they aren't physically harming our people, if they are in positions of power where they're promoting or helping the racists to harm our people...they're no good for us. Clarence Thomas, Byron Donalds, Tim Scott...they are aiding and abetting the racists to harm our people by their support of the racists and the policies they execute. So to make it clear.... If they are not harming our people directly OR indirectly, then I say let them be. Just another Black woman/man with a good job. But if they are helping the racists in ANY fashion, no good. If the ultimate goal is to have enough money to live comfortably and/or bang a buffet of exotic women, I cannot fault a man for it. That is not my idea of a power. That's a certain measure of it. A powerful man is respected on the chessboard of life. He's making moves in all areas of human activity to include empowerment of his own people too. I hear what you're saying but this is more abstract. What you described above with the money, exotic women, big houses, and fancy cars...that's more CONCRETE. We can see, touch, experience, and enjoy that. This..."empowering humanity" could mean anything under the Sun, lol.

You make a good point. Especially with the "anchor babies". The racists and conservatives who FAVOR mass deportation have thought of this also and this is why they're trying to figure out a way to work around the 14 Amendment so that even if you were BORN here....if you were born from illegal immigrants...you gotta go too!

ProfD Also, pimps are powerless in the grand scheme of things. They little or no influence when it comes to politics. Pimps may not have a lot of political power, but they have a degree of power on the streets. They have control. Control is power. The incoming 1st lady of the United States looks like a hostage. She's only there for the perks. Lol... I'm sure she VOLUNTARILY married Donald, for the money and status. You said she's only there for the "perks". Couldn't that be said about ANY wife? What woman marries a man for nothing? In the case of these latest dead dudes, their women left them. Yes. But crazy dudes don't count in these type of discussions. That throws everything off. Sure a woman likes a man with money and power. But if he's walking around their apartment complex in dirty doo-doo streaked draws and a tin-foil hat mumbling something about ISIS and taking out his entire family as a sacrifice- No chains are strong enough! No locks are strong enough ! To keep ANY woman in the "possession" of a man THAT damn crazy! Crazy don't count, lol. Regardless of whether people subject themselves voluntarily or involuntarily, power is the common denominator. Not possession Possession is an EXAMPLE of power. If you didn't have it, you wouldn't be able to possess anybody.

ProfD You're speaking facts all day long my brutha..... The best way to distance ourselves from them is by sending them BACK to their countries of origin. Not that I have too much faith that Trump will do that, but if he does...it would be wonderful. Like the old saying goes, out of sight...out of mind.

ProfD That's actually a weakness. Women may find it flattering up to a point but they don't respect it. From what I've seen and heard, most prostitutes highly respect their Pimps. And they tend to be possessive and dominant. Especially the "mack" type. Same goes for people in general especially those who are weak-minded. They will tuck up under someone who is controlling and dominating up until they can escape. Many of them don't want to escape. They like the feeling of "protection" under a dominant man. Power, strength and security are the traits that people respect and fear and it keeps them in check. A man should build his power first. Everything else falls in place. I agree that a man should build his power, but he has to go about doing it in the RIGHT way first. And when I say the "right" way, I'm not just talking about from a moral/ethical point...but right as in EFFECTIVE. Like we mentioned in the other thread about Black faces in high places. A nigga simply being APPOINTED to a position of leadership isn't real power. Just like somebody put him up there, somebody can remove him. But a Black man who BUILDS his own business from the ground up and sits on the top of it...that's real power. A powerful man doesn't have to possess, control or dominate anyone. People will subject themselves to him. Uhhh....yes and no. Sometimes people will fall in line and subject themselves to him, and sometimes he has to SHOW them what's up. Voluntarily or involuntarily. Either way, power makes people subject to it.

ProfD History has already shown us that Black faces in high places aren't necessarily allies when it comes to Black empowerment. While this is true, as I've said before..... As long as them being in that position isn't HARMING the AfroAmerican community directly or indirectly (like Clarence Thomase and Byron Donalds), they are in a minute way HELPING us by being another Black face in that position. It's another AfroAmerican with a good job, and not homeless or in prison. That's the way you have to look at it sometimes. We haven't seen the likes of mayors Marion Barry and Coleman Young in decades. Facts. I miss those bruthas.

ProfD AfroAmericans don't have to compete or deal with anybody else if we're doing our own thing and standing on business. In the past, I would say yes. But today, we're in a GLOBAL economy where everybody must establish connections with others on some level in order to be successful. AfroAmericans can't operate in a bubble. If we live in and do business in the United States, we must abide by its laws and statues; which means those who control them will have control over us and our economic progress. This is why WE need to be the ones with control or atleast as much control over the laws and policies in this nation as possible to ensure we aren't mistreated or denied economic opportunity. If illegals are flooding in here by the millions and "somebody" is turning a blind eye to them and allowing them to MAKE MONEY and SEND MONEY BACK from this economy, we need to know who that is. We have better choices. I would hope that AfroAmerican men aren't so desperate that they wanna bang a broad that traveled hundreds of miles to get here. That snatch box has miles on it. I didn't say that to open up another can of discussion about who Black men have access too, lol. I said it as an example of how we are NOT benefiting in any way by them being here. Not even on a basic social level like sex. I agree they aren't benefitting us. However, I don't believe they are a drag on the progress of AfroAmericans committed to buiding our own infrastructure. If you agree that they aren't benefiting us, then nothing more needs to be said. Like Neely Fuller Jr. says, either it's CONTRUCTIVE or NON-CONSTRUCTIVE. There is no in between. Either they're BENEFITING us by being here, or they're not. If they're not....and I don't believe they are...and you agree. Then WHY are they here? Why SHOULD they be here? These aren't just rhetorical questions, they are genuine because I'd really like somebody to tell me why we should fight for or advocate for them being here IF...IF..they aren't benefiting us one way or another. Now if they ARE providing some benefit...directly or indirectly...I wish somebody would let me know how. These people are only an impediment to AfroAmericans who expect to be taken care of by the dominant society. Correct. And that's many if not MOST of our people, lol. I had a discussion with an older sista from California who said he was glad when Reagan became Governor of Cali because he cut welfare and toss all of the people off of government assistance. She said they should have gotten jobs and worked instead. I said many of them for one reason or another can't or won't, so shouldn't they have SOMETHING to sustain them? Most lazy people are going to be lazy whether you allow them to get public assistance or not All you're doing is driving them towards a life of crime. My point is..... Whether they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T, the fact is MANY if not MOST Black folks DO rely on White folks to make a living and it's probably going to be that way for a while to come so the less people we have to compete with FOR those resources, the better.

Non-Black Latina spits in a brutha's face and stabs him: Damn...... That hit hard. Who wants to bet money on this Mestiza Latina who stabbed that brutha, being either an illegal immigrant or "dreamer" child of one? And another thing. It looked like the owner of that deli or atleast the workers I saw in the story were non-Black Latinos as well. They MAY have been Dominican or Puerto Rican...but certainly not Black ones. Like I said ProfD, these people aren't our allies and they didn't come here to help us. IF Trum....IF...IF...IF...Trump were to round them up and send them back to Latin America...I wouldn't shed too many tears over it. How are they being here helping us?

I'm not talking about some Wakanda dream or pipe dream that could only be achieved by a Miracle or if all of a sudden Black folks unified under one banner. That would be wonderful, however what I just laid out was VERY do'able. More Black representation in Congress...especially in the Senate. More Black businesses. Establishing more connections with other Black communities around the globe to boost our economic progress and make us more international. Those things could have easily been achieve in the past 25 years. If not an actual Black (FBA) President, atleast an FBA vice president serving 2 terms and make sure we're represented in the Whitehouse. That could have happened before or after Obama.

Senators are skeptical of Trump's call for a bipartisan deal on Dreamers MmmmHmmmm...... Already Trump is showing signs of back pedaling on his mass deportation program. If he was willing to make a deal on the "Dreamers" who are also in this country illegally, why didn't he mention this when he was running? Why did he talk nothing but DEPORTATION, DEPORTATION, and MASS DEPORTATION when he was running, but now as he gets closer to stepping into the Whitehouse...all of a sudden he want to compromise? I told people about this shit.

frankster Depends on where God is? Is that a question? If you are Aware why ask.....I say again your cup runneth over.... I asked to get your answer/response, as to why would Spirits need "awakening". If you are confused it is of your own making. I'm not confused. However I would have liked CLARIFICATION on what you meant by "the knowledge". When I say "the knowledge" I know EXACTLY what I'm referring to. When you say it...I'm not so sure. I Am told it does And apparently you believe what you are TOLD. But do you KNOW for sure that it does? Perhaps you should verify the information you are told before passing it along....less it be erroneous information. It is not Awaken in me... Well shit, man..........((raises and drops arms)) If it's not Awakened or activated in you yet, what are we even TALKING about? How do you know what you have is real or even works???? Then I Am not the Messenger for You.....I have played my role and pointed the Way How can you point the way when you haven't even FOUND the way yet? You just said it's not Awakened in you. You got something sleeping inside of you that hasn't even woke up yet, but you want to sit here and "point the way" for somebody else to follow down the same mysterious path???? That's what happens when you go to the wrong person for advice....you end up feeling abused He didn't come to me for advice. We were just talking casually and me mentioned it.

ProfD Considering their accomplishments in military service, I don't believe these dudes were already crazy. They weren't crazy when they were active in the service, it was AFTER they got out is when the problems started. Sometime between what they saw and did in combat and got discharged - and before meeting these women, is when the mental problems began to brew. The ladies dealing with them surely saw this and decided to bail out while they could. Many crazy people tend to take their craziness out on those who are closest to them, which usually means family. There were reports that the cat who carried out that attack in New Orleans talked about killing his own family. You have to wonder how many times did both of these men talk crazy like that in front of their wives/girlfriends before those women got spooked and said ENOUGH. Got the fuck out of that situation. How will mass deportation benefit AfroAmericans? In several ways..... -Less competition for the jobs already here -Less people in the country draining the already limited resources -Less racists in the country to deal with We already know that these illegals aren't OUR (FBA) allies anyway. They certainly aren't here to help us socially or politically and definitely not economically. So how are they being here benefiting us? Most of us aren't even getting any pussy out of the deal. As I've talked about so many times, most of them aren't having sex with Black American men, so if we aren't getting money or land, or any other benefit from them...what good are they to us? Things aren't that stagnant or neutral. Their presence is having an effect one way or another. If they aren't benefiting us...then they are a drag on our progress.

ProfD One of the worse human traits to have is treating another person like a possession. There's no such thing as ownership. Yet, throughout humam history, ever since the caveman, folks have been cuffing and clubbing when sh8t goes sideways. As much as I don't care too much for the idea of the mentality of "owning" somebody, I can respect it for it's results. White men tend to be very possessive and feel like they own their women. Although I don't ascribe to that and most Black men don't....that mentality keeps White women in check and it also keep most of the people under the rule of White men in-line as well. That possessive dominating mentality. If more Black men thought like that: 1. I don't think there would be so many broken and dysfunctional families in the Black community not only in the United States but around the globe. As you pointed out before, the dysfunction in African families rivals that of AfroAmerican families so they can't point the finger at us. 2. Our women probably would respect us more. Yes...respect through fear....but respect us more none the less. This laid back...let her go and do as she pleases...mentality. I respect it as a person who believe in equality and freedom for both sexes, however I do recognize that it's not very helpful if our goal as men is to build and maintain power.

ProfD I'm not sure of what advanced means in this context but many AfroAmericans would argue being better off than the past. Since 2000..... -We should have had far more Black owned firms -Had More Black represenation in Congress -Established some Black Medical Centers -Most of the Black ghettoes should have been cleaned up and rejuvenated -Black male/female relations should have been better And, ideally...we could have used another Black (FBA preferably) President, lol. These aren't far fetched desires. In 25 years, they could very much have been achieved.

ProfD To your point, my problem with that line of belief or teaching is why those advanced Black beings haven't replaced racism white supremacy with a system of justice. Excellent question! Just like Religion, Science Fiction and Fantasy, Black folks create larger than life or highly intelligent figures as a form of deflection and/or escapism from reality. Like I said, it comes out of laziness. However the funny thing is... When it comes to a White man doing him wrong, a nigga will wait on "Jesus" to take care of him and fight his battle for him. But if YOU do him wrong, he doesn't wait on "Jesus"...he's at your doorstep in 15 minutes trying to get you to come outside...lol frankster They most likely are coming here to help themselves first Who said they needed help? Did they? And us second if at all and by "us" they mean all earthlings - humanity I'm not sure if "all" Earthlings actually need help. When did you ever try to free some ants from slavery or being enslaved When did you ever hear them ASK to be freed? Usually trade study and or conquest. Did they tell you that, or is that a speculation? You seem to be asking for Rescue not Help.....which is a form of Intervention - The Danger with Rescue is the Creation of Dependency. Along that line of thinking... Are you suggesting that EMT services be eliminated because accident victims and other victims of trauma may become dependent on the emergency help they receive? The best way to Help the weak is by teaching them how to Be and Become Strong. Ok. So are they doing THAT, then? When is the next training class for Earthlings hosted by Aliens on how to become strong, and how do I sign up? Religions tends to survive 1000's of years and various cultures and languages....hence the issues you cite Right. They tend to last longer than the people who believe in and practice them. The early Christians believed that Jesus was on his way back to Earth....2000 plus years and many many generations later...many of them are STILL looking up at the sky waiting on him to come back. It has been done several times already....some have been killed others captured and turn into guinea pigs/lap rats - and the whole thing swept under the rug as mass hysteria and imagination running wild. Are you saying this was done to the Beings of the UFO's, or the humans who reported them?