Pioneer1

frankster No....friend it is your link that I am quoting and paraphrasing.. That link is to THE definition of race. Do you disagree with it? And again, where is your source that officially declares that there is only ONE race? I showed you MY source for accepting the idea of multiple races...what is YOUR source for rejecting it? The entire IDEA of "race" is built on the accepted FACT that there are multiple categories to choose from! Hell, that would be like someone asking you what's your favorite flavor of ice cream and you declare there is only ONE FLAVOR....and that's the "ice cream flavor".

That statement is too ridiculous to even seriously address. ProfD is an agnostic and even HE recognizes how ridiculous it is on premise alone.

frankster To me... That which defile a man is something that makes you sick or causes harm thru or by pollution and or contamination Ok, thank you. Now the scripture you quoted says: CURRENT knowledge...realizes that humans don't think with their hearts. Thinking involves the brain. It appears that this "ancient teaching" contradicts and clashes with this "current knowledge". Then how is it tolerant when individuals are getting violently hurt and in pain sometimes cause serious and or permanent harm? Because they agreed to that violence and were aware of those possibilities as part of their agreement and willingness to participate. Most sports are Rivalries....which often entails grudges - from fans and or member of teams or teams themselves "Often" is the key word in your statement. During the times when grudges are NOT a factor, no malice is involved. What it means is that not all they people or community agrees... Nor do they have to. All of the people don't have to agree on who becomes President of the U.S., as long as the majority of the voters do. All of those directly INVOLVED in the violence must agree, but as far as the community.....it's not reasonable to expect ANY community over 100 people to agree on anything 100%. Is that you using "nuanced" I am used to you demanding "exactitude" It depends on the subject. Somethings DO demand "exactitude", especially when we're dealing with numbers and theoretical ideology. When it comes to social issues, PRACTICALITY is key. A person filing papers and getting a paper cut is technically violent; but we're not going to include THAT...lol. Well at least you admit to it being a violent sport When have I not? Majority does not make right..... Neither does tolerance make something "right". Some things SHOULDN'T be tolerated, but are. Majority is an approximation for community standards. For example.... If the majority of Americans agree that Trump should be President, and the majority of voters vote for him then he becomes President of ALL Americans. That doesn't mean he's "right" for the job or that "all" Americans feel that way. But accepting the desires and will of the MAJORITY is one of the principles a sound community is based on. What of the individuals who partakes in these violent sport for money because of their life circumstances Good for them that they have that opportunity. Some people are dealing with life circumstances and need the money but don't even have THAT option.

He can Pray....sincerely!

Ok....well now we gotta get Samuel L. Jackson...🤔...or David Alan Grier....to play THAT role.....lol. "Now stop all dat cryin' massa James 'lease we'z still breathin' and 'bove da ground!"

frankster First you say: There is Only one Race. Now you're saying: Yes Politicans are a race..... Etnicities and Nations are also..... Boys are a race... -First you declared that you didn't accept the idea of race. -Then you say there is only ONE race....the human "race" -Now you're listing several different races. Delivery drivers are a race. Postal workers are a race. Prostitutes are a race. Now you wanna get buck wild with it, lol. You're sitting up there contradicting yourself, but you want to call OTHER people "confused"...lol. Race is not genetic Man, I GAVE you a definition of race that supports it being genetically based, several times. No need for me to keep posting it because you and everyone else has seen it. You just said BOYS are a race, didn't you??? Isn't that genetic??? At this point, you're just in denial.

Sounds like material for the next Ryan Coogler flick. The Roof, The Roof, The Roof Is On Fire Starring Michael B. Jordan, Jamie Foxx, and Keke Palmer....lol.

You never know, that ordeal might actually STRENGTHEN his support. A lot of Black people would support him because he figured out a way to "beat the system" that was after him trying to get him locked up, and then turned around and used that system (Trump really) to HIS benefit. Puff Daddy should learn a lesson and make a phone call....lol.

frankster 20He continued: “What comes out of a man, that is what defiles him. 21For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,j 22greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. 23All these evils come from within, and these are what defile a man.” Hmmmm..... Before I agree or disagree with this example....what does it mean to "defile" a man? Sounds like an Old English term and I'm not sure of it. If individuals are getting hurt....then it is Harmful. Correct If individuals are suffering pain from blows falls or other then it is Violent. Correct If it is a grudge match...then it is Malicious IF....yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean all matches ARE based on grudges or revenge or with malicious intent. There are groups of individual trying to ban some or all types of contact sport that tend to result in damages If they aren't participating in the violence directly but ARE part of the community, then it becomes a question of HOW MUCH of that community actually feels this way? What percentage do they make up? Practically speaking, you can't expect EVERY SINGLE person in a major city to welcome and agree to a violent sport. But if the MAJORITY do and you add THAT fact to everyone DIRECTLY involved with that sport agreeing to it; then the "tolerance" of that community is maintained. ...from that angle atleast. What of those who were coerce/forced by either individuals or circumstances to give consent.... If FORCE is used....it's no longer considered tolerant. If COERCION is used...it's no longer considered tolerant. ...because both of these involve MALICE and ill will.

Troy You mean you’ve heard of her outside of this forum? Ofcourse. I thought I saw yall mention her name one or two times before. Not only have I heard of her outside of this forum, I've heard of HER outside of the internet. On television and some magazines. But this was many years ago. She posed naked a bunch of times. Was a feminist. And claimed to be a mistress of Bin Laden. my problem with Ms Boof is that she would do things in the real world and that really took things too far for my liking. Well, with the stories I've heard of her and from the interviews...she's something else. Dangerous. But she went through a lot too in Sudan. I think she may have been in the military but I forgot a lot of the things I read about her and heard her say. She's been interviewed on C-Span.....or was it PBS??? I can play around with Cynique (think she's tough) all day long....lol....but I wouldn't play around with Kola. She was (is?) nobody to play around with, lol.

Well I don't know TOO much about Governor Wes Moore. To be honest, I didn't even know he EXISTED until recently when I saw on the internet people calling him a tether and sambo for vetoing the Reparations Study...lol. Troy I don’t see the harm in doing the study. It's a stalling tactic. A waste of time to keep you in a state of confusion and expectation. It's like a man who doesn't really want to marry a woman but will "court" her for 5 years. TALK about engagement for 10 years. Actually GET engaged without a ring for 10 years. Then finally buy her the engagement ring but remain engaged INDEFINITELY until the "right time" for marriage. See where I'm going with this??? The other problem is where is Maryland gonna get the money to pay reparations Maryland State taxpayers? This is indeed the problem. It was the problem with California...which was NOT a Chattel Slavery state. Reparations should be paid at the FEDERAL level so that the funds can be somewhat guaranteed to be consistent and not subject to change with each new Administration. The Federal Government can literally MAKE UP all the money it needs to cover it's expenses; the state can't. Another problem is if they actually DID start passing out Reparations checks in Maryland, guess what? Millions of Black folks from around the country will start MOVING TO MARYLAND...lol. Infact, ALL Black folks who immigrate to America would immediately go to the DMV area to take advantage of that opportunity. It has to be done on a NATIONAL level to ensure things are balanced.

ProfD Remains to be seen if NYers still have confidence in Mayor Adams. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. He's keeping the city running. The lights are on, trash is being picked up, and crime is....well....it's New York, lol. It's the Democratic leaders at the STATE level who were out to get Adams, not his constituents in the NYC.

😆 Let us not confuse popularity with NOTORIETY...lol.

Justice Department opens investigation into former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo UuuuuHuh.....looks like Trump and the boys are ALREADY working on Cuomo's ass clearing the way for the incumbent to stay in office for another term...lol. Snuggling up with Trump and leaving the "do nothing Democrat" Party was probably one of the best moves Adams has made in his political career.

??? Lol...you mean Kanye West wasn't lying when he sang "Jesus Walks"?

I would have vetoed the bill too. But probably not for the reasons the Governor did. As you alluded to, we don't need another "study" on Reparations. What do they need to "study"? They know how horrible Slavery was, the damage it did and is still doing....what more is there to "study"???? Cut the fucking checks! I would veto that mess and then have a press conference expressing how it's time for an ACTUAL Reparations Bill, not some damn "study".

frankster Current knowledge that deals with the issue we are discussing Ok, so we're talking about thoughts. What CURRENT KNOWLEDGE about thoughts can be found in the teachings of Jesus and Buddha? Can you give me 3 specific bits of knowledge? But it is still violent....whether consensual communal or sanctioned The difference is...violence that is "sanctioned" and agreed upon by all participating parties does NOT nullify a community's tolerance. The violence isn't malicious. It's welcomed...on both sides. Like some sort of weird sexual violence, it's enjoyed. So the "tolerance" of that community isn't affected. Now if the violence is NOT welcomed by a particular individual involved...that means it's NOT tolerated. And if violence is INFLICTED on another out of malice...that means the person who behaved violently wasn't tolerant.

frankster Yes like a races of politicians....Republicans and Democrats are two different races - thats rhetorical We have been over this already No no, MY question wasn't rhetorical...it was sincere. You said there was only ONE race, but the Webster dictionary that I've been quoting from suggests that there are multiple. I'd like to know what credible reference told YOU that there was only "one" race???? Wow! you are so confused.....you can read but you definetly have a problem with comprehension... It took you....I don't know how long...to finally admit to the REALITY of race. For a while you were saying you didn't even accept the IDEA of it. Finally accepting it....but you want to sit up and call somebody else "confused"??? talk about fighting ignorance and confusion....its one hell of a internal battle for you - lucky for you I am here to help Lol.... How are you going to help ME when you're going through a battle YOURSELF....with a weed habit???? see you soon Through glossy red eyes?

Troy Well it should be know that @Pioneer1’s voluntary financial contributions actually fund this discussion forum. Now, I'm sure those few money orders I've sent in wasn't nearly enough to fund a discussion forum as sophisticated as this one...lol. Infact, I think it was 3 or 4 years since I had last gave anything. If this site had to wait on ME to fund it....let's just say Cynique would be spending a LOT more time at the local community center....lol. He has never boasted that himself Honestly, I didn't mention it NOT because of some sort of moral or religious "humility"; but because I really didn't see a need to. I didn't see any incentive in doing so. Trust me, if I thought I could get some sort of financial...or even sexual...incentive for saying I gave money to support a Black website, I would have said something YEARS ago, lol. Humility isn't part of my moral code. I don't care if people know I give money or if it's kept a secret; as long as it ends up in the right hands. But I'm not religious so I don't believe there's some "special benefit" in keeping any good deeds you do a secret. It's a matter of personal choice. Now obviously that has not stopped me from disagreeing with him, nor has my agreeing with him been a condition of his support. Facts. If my support for this site only went as far as your agreeing with me I would have stopped posting on here YEARS ago. But that being said, I'm not above "bribing" people to try to get some sort of support for what I want...lol. Like I said, if there's some sort of financial or sexual (not from you...lol) incentive and benefit, I WOULD consider bribing and bragging...lol. Real talk. But I really do want to see my brother do well. I sincerely hope I get the opportunity to contribute even more over the years. Kola Boof was another story altogether. I knew that name sounded familiar. I heard stories about her years ago being a mistress to Bin Laden or something like that. She was (is?) a Sudanese feminist who liked to pose naked to make points...lol. So she was a regular poster on here, huh? Cynique Pioneer uses this board as a receptacle for his trash. He should pay you a fee. You're not too far from the truth...lol. For years I'd post on this site but I didn't buy any books...the very purpose OF the site. I felt a little "funny" for doing such so I decided that if I'm not going to buy any books, the least I could do send in a little contribution to show my appreciation.

frankster It is not there. "Most People" is where I get the "always" if for most people it is "momentary irritation"...that is where the modern science has reach - most people.... Thank you for essentially admitting that you were wrong and misspoke. Now we can move on. I do not understand the question? Is it that you want me to prove that Buddha or Jesus actual taught or said something? If that is you question....I cannot prove such to you. No, that's not what I'm asking. Because I already know you couldn't. Or Are you asking if Buddha or Jesus is reputed to have taught of the effects of thoughts and their effect on us human beings? It depends. You said: current knowledge backs up the Ancient Teachings Were you talking about current knowledge in GENERAL or were you talking specifically about current knowledge on THOUGHTS? Do you deny texting the following On May 11. I quote: "Thank you for proving my point that a person can't be BOTH tolerant AND violent at the same time." Now you are saying there is an exception...the exception is contradictory to the above statment. On May 11 you "*The only exception to this is if that violence is CONSENTUAL for example some sort of "sexual" violence or violence in entertainment. In that case a community can be both tolerant AND violent since the violence is sanctioned and accepted by all parties involved." Sir, do you know the difference between a PERSON and a COMMUNITY? In the above quote you also left out "or a people" frankster.....what is a community made of? Stop playing, man. The Tolerant Buddhist used Violence to curb muslim aggression....The Buddhist are tolerant If they were tolerant, they wouldn't have used UNWANTED (by their victims) violence. Nor would have they resorted to violence. It qualified as a people being both tolerant and violent....the action taken was in self defense But the violence wasn't SANCTIONED (agreed upon by all parties). I'm not saying it wasn't justified, I'm saying it wasn't sanctioned and the victims of it certainly disagreed to it.. If some of them were killed, they most certainly didn't "tolerate" what was happening to them.

I'm sure Spain would be happy to hear (read) you say (typed) that...lol.

Straight up buck-breaking. But they do it in a SLICK and OPPORTUNIST way. See..... They can't take a decent upright Black man and use HIM as an example of buck-breaking because that would be too obvious and cause more outrage; so they get someone with a lot of dirt on them already to use as an example....so you won't feel so sorry for him. Although what's happening to them is STILL an injustice! These racists are slick! It's like Crack vs powdered Cocaine discrepancy in conviction and sentencing. Although it's unfair and racist, they're counting on you not raising too much of a fuss over it because....after all...a Crack dealer IS a criminal pushing poison in the community so they don't expect you to fight too hard over his mistreatment.

One of Kamala's most public/visible supporters was and still is Sunny Hostin from The View Skee-whaaaaat???? I remember back when Biden became the Democrat nominee and they were discussing his possible picks for VP, Sunny kept pushing for Kamala Harris for that position. I didn't know what the connection was at the time...lol.

frankster There is Only one Race....that is the Human Race And in what dictionary did you get that definition or reference? In Merriam-Webster it says: One of the GROUPS...PLURAL. Meaning there are MORE THAN ONE races. .especial for you and people like you You mean people who READ the actual definition of things instead of making up definitions based on their wishful thinking???? Who believe and accept race as a biological and genetic fact Apparently I'm not the only one because according to the DICTIONARY One of the definitions of race: Literally BOTH the terms....biology and genetically...that you questioned, are actually used IN the definition of race! ....I will use the terms race and rac So if I use the word/s Black race and or white race race or races it is to facilaitate communication with people who live racialized or Racist world view and accept as biology the idea of Race/s as a form of speciation of humanity In other words, since it's part of REALITY...you'll go ahead and entertain the terms? I appreciate that. Thank you for keeping the wishful thinking (that all of humanity is apparently part of one big umbrella African race) to a minimum.