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frankster No.... the Bible does not Support slavery. Lol...seriously? Leviticus 25 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor. Joshua 9 22 And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, We are very far from you; when ye dwell among us? 23 Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen, and hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God. Ephesians 6 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win ... .....frankster, stop it. Don't do this to yourself...lol.

@umbrarchist I promised that when I had more time I would go into a brief explanation of the Yakub theory as taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Although I don't KNOW if it's true or not since I wasn't around to witness it...I believe it because it makes more sense than some "evolution" garbage that White folks and ONLY White folks came up with...and people of color later on began to just "accept" like most things White folks present to them....to explain their origins. Forget the bullshit you've seen and heard on the internet CLAIMING to explain Yakub, who he was, and what he did or what Elijah Muhammad said about the making of White people. Forget those Youtube disinformation videos of some big headed nigga with a gold chain and robe on claiming to be "Yacub" preaching to White folks, which seems to be an effort to discredit the ACTUAL theory and fill it full of lies and ridiculousness to the point that most folks wouldn't dare take it seriously. I'm going to give you a simplified but accurate version of what he taught without the contamination. First of all the Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity is TRILLIONS of years old and that many many civilizations and worlds have come and gone. They go in cycles. As advanced as THIS world appears to be, we've had FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations before this one and will have many many more FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations after this one is destroyed. Infact, as a quick aside..... As an engineer you may be interested in the fact that the Nation of Islam claims that there are about 60,000 books of mathematics...many of which are MUCH more profound and higher than this lightweight stuff practiced and taught in the West like calculus, trigonometry, etc.. He taught that of those 60,000 books of mathematics, ONLY ONE of those books were given to White folks for them to build their civilization upon but the other 59,999 are far more profound and advanced. This is the type of mathematics we built the pyramids and other monuments with that are still standing despite thousands of years and Earthquakes. Anyway..... During this particular cycle...about 7000 years ago, a boy named Yakub while playing with two pieces of metal and noticing that they had a magnetic effect on eachother discovered that "unalike" objects often attract the opposite of what they are. This discovery as a boy set him on a journey of research and study and as he got older he discovered while looking through a microscope (yes we not only had microscopes but MORE than that) that there exists in human beings two genes...a darker and a lighter. You see this today when two Black parents will produce a darker child and a lighter child. Sometimes they even produce an albino...but that's a different subject all together. He said he would make a new people who are lighter and lighter until they are White and use their "unalike" being to attract and rule over the rest of the Black world. He started preaching this around his community and eventually gathered a following and him and his followers of about 60,000 were exiled to an island out in the middle of the Aegan Sea On that island he convinced his followers to start this experiment of making a new "white" people who would one day rule the world and he implemented a protocol of SELECTIVE BREEDING to produce this. First of all it should be noted that Yakub and his followers were Black but weren't African. They were of the Asian Black race. There are TWO types of Black people...the Asian Black man and the African Black man. The Asian Black man...most notably found in India today...is very dark but has straight hair, thin nose, and thin mouth like what we'd attribute to White people. Unlike the African Black man who has kinky hair and broader features. His selective breeding process was simple.... Of the current population, make sure only the lightest skinned ones would mate and reproduce with eachother. If dark skinned people wanted to mate...they could only mate with a lighter skinned person. Two dark skinned people couldn't mate with eachother and if they did and a baby was produced....that baby was killed. Now at first, you only had Black and dark brown people mating with eachother so there wasn't that big of a noticeable difference, but each generation got lighter and lighter and after a few generations....NO Black people were around..only brown skinned people. Then tan, then yellowish, until after 600 years of this, White people...many of whom had blonde hair and blue eyes.... were produced. This occurred approximately 6000 years ago. After this population of White people came into being, they went back to the main lands of Asia and Africa to conquer and rule over the people using deception and violence. There is much more to this story after this event, but I'll end it right here for now. While you weigh whether to accept or reject the NOI's theory of Yakub, here's a few things for you to consider: 1. All over the world today regardless of nation or race, you find this support and love for the lighter complexion and disdain and rejection of the darker complexion. Seems pretty unusual since so many people are naturally born dark skinned; so why would they have such an ingrained hate or dislike or themselves, unless it was INSTILLED into their culture at some point in the past. 2. Scientific articles have been out for some time now but resurface from time to time claiming that ALL people with blue eyes came from a common ancestor about 6000 years ago. Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor | ScienceDaily Everyone With Blue Eyes May Descend From a Single Human Ancestor (popularmechanics.com) Humanity has been on the planet HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years (or trillions of years if you believe Elijah Muhammad), so is it just a coincidence that this ancestor with blue eyes happened to be dated the same time as Yakub's experiment? 3. Going back to the point about advanced mathematics and how the ancient Black man's math was far more advanced than what we have today. Whether it's true or not, the actor Terrence Howard is all over the internet claiming to have "discovered" a new type of math. This is nothing new. Black men constantly "invent" things that are far more advanced and beyond this Western civilization's science because this civilization is limited. Like I said, the NOI claims they were only given ONE book of 60,000. If this is true, we didn't actually invent it; it already existed and was practiced by our Ancestors...but White folks just didn't know about it and thus couldn't teach us. We THINK we invent a lot of this stuff but it existed MILLIONS of years ago and it's in our very NATURE to figure it out and express it today. Infact, MUSIC...which we clearly excel in...is mathematics. Holding a beat, sequencing, rhythm -these are advanced forms of mathematics...PRACTICAL mathematics....that even little Black kids on the sidewalk can whoop the hell out of the average "well educated" White man in. Say what? You say Western science is much more advanced than that Voodoo and Santeria that Africans and Indians use? Well, Voodoo Doctors can make snakes and other animals grow inside human beings...can Western doctors and scientists to that? The science and knowledge of our ancient Ancestors are FAR more profound and advanced than this lightweight shit White folks have. Which is why they often call their so-called professions a "practice". While they PRACTICE science...we MASTERED it. The average Black PIMP on the streets can whoop the hell out of the average White psychologist on how the mind actually works...lol. There is much more detail to this theory and those who know it well will know that I kept a lot of the information out in order to simplify it, but I'll let you digest it and decide on it's validity. If you have questions or want more details about certain things, I'll answer and provide them if I can.

I'm on my way to finishing up some work and going to bed, but I'd love to EXPLAIN to you the Yacub Theory as officially taught by the Nation of Islam one day when I have more time...lol. Something tells me you'd be more interested in it than YOU think you would.

We've come a long way, but we should be much much futher along than we are today. I would say that since the mid-80s, the AfroAmerican community has actually been going BACKWARDS or more precisely took a DEVIANT route.

HOPPING MAD! Man, I made one so mad 6 or 7 months ago he was actually hopping and wiggling around in his chair with a red face and strings of spit stretching in his mouth! "What is this....a fucking inquisition???"

.....and I don't suppose another contributing factor of the Blach Church's passivity would be that it's currently populated mostly by females and gay/effeminate males.

I like how you say "wait for the answer" NEELY FULLER JR. style! Man, that actually WORKS! Stay in the question lane/mode! As soon as they answer one question, have 3 more ready for them....lol.

umbrarchist And who "owns" the land and collects the rent in the Afro-American community? Who has to send Black kids to schools that are not worth a damn? So the next generation cannot get jobs worth a damn to pay the rent. The Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad both gave us the Solution to these problems. Did we AS A COMMUNITY listen to them and follow their instruction? I work with a lot of Africans, many of them have a condescending attitude toward AfroAmericans. However just when I start getting angry and resentful I CATCH myself and ask myself...should I blame them? We've been in this land well over 500 years and have had physical freedom to build communities and a society for ourselves over 150 years. After having the RELATIVE freedom to do so or over 150 years, how much more have we accomplished in comparison to people who just stepped off a plane 30 or 40 years ago?

I'm not religious, but the belief that our sista Sonya Massey's murder was demonic and a manifestation of a spiritual battle SHOULD be on the lips of every so-called Christian...especially Black Christian....in the United States. I personally think it was just a racist doing what racists do which is harm and mistreat people of color; however to a Christian...for somebody to be murdered after uttering the name of Jesus -should be alarming. And the fact that it's not, and the conversation has pretty much "moved on" from this tragedy is disturbing. What these non-Black people discussed in these videos and their insight were not only SPOT ON but it was actually the reaction I EXPECTED from the Black Christian community, but didn't get it.

Don't forget the close relatives of the victims who come on to "forgive" the racist perpetrators....sometimes even before the funeral! "I know you kilt my brother but Can I...... Can I get a hug?????"

The Bible BOTH condones and supports slavery. The Old Testament tells the Israelites who among them can be enslaved and how they should be treated. The New Testament tells slaves to obey their masters.

True, however seems to me if the city of New York was TRULY concerned with saving money they would start with their most obvious and unnecessary expense...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. ...not picking on poor people for not paying their bus fare. NYC as well as the state has recently spent MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of dollars feeding, housing, and giving various other benefits to illegal immigrants. But now they want to go after their own tax paying citizens over services that should actually be FREE. Talk about swallowing a camel whole, but then turning around and gagging on a little gnat.

I have a number of questions.... One is actual, and others are rhetorical. 1. Why would a father by his 14 year old son a MILITARY style rifle? As the good Professor already pointed out, it's clearly not designed for hunting. Who did his father expect for him to one day use it on if he "had" to? ....this is a rhetorical question, as I already know the answer. 2. After recent incidents involving WHITE parents buying weapons for their children..... After asking WHY so many White parents are buying weapons for their children, then we must as why AREN'T Black parents doing the same for THEIR children? 3. There is more AfroAmerican political power in the state of Georgia than anywhere outside of the DMV area of the United States, what will the Black political power structure of Georgia do in response to this? ....I already know the answer to this one too, so this is another rhetorical question.

I'm going to tell yall something. I thought Charleston White was one of the stupidest craziest niggaz to get on the internet for a long time; until I listened to a couple of interviews he did. I listened to the WHOLE videos, not just the clips and parts people were talking about. Like Kanye...there is some genius in his madness at times. He's touched on points that I agree with but hadn't heard from anybody else. He may be crazy...MAY be or he may be just playing the fool for strategic purposes...but the dude ain't stupid by a long shot. He's very observant and can put things together. Now worse than Slavery? That's a bit of a stretch, but not too far off. Let's analyze this a bit..... If you don't include the TRANSPORTATION (kidnapping and storage on slave ships) and BREAKING of our Ancestors before they became actual slaves...which was probably the most gruesome crime in the history of humanity...and argue strictly over the Institution of Slavery in the United States alone, despite murder, torture, and general physical and mental abuse and violence...... -an argument MIGHT be made for Charleston's point. The reason I say this is because if we deal with just the IMAGE ALONE, atleast under Chattel Slavery, you had a CLEAR enemy. A clear "good guy" and a clearly "bad guy". The Black woman and man was clearly the GOD fearing oppressed victim of the brutish violent White man and woman. Not only did we have morality on our side but the rest of the world could see we were the "good people". But today..... With the crime, gangs, and drugs that our people have been dealing with since the 1960s...it's hard for most people to blame it on racism even though that's it's origins. People weren't around to witness the brutality of Slavery and most don't even remember Jim Crow and the common lynchings, but they see niggaz acting a fool and being violent not just on television and in the movies but often in real life when they walk out the door. That's what they SEE, regardless of who's pulling the strings. People from all over the world often come here and see this and how can you tell them anything different when they're LOOKING at niggaz in baggy clothes riding around shooting eachother and grinning as they hit the gas and run from the police??? When it comes to the murder and violence. Atleast under Slavery it was White folks...the open enemy...you was doing most of the killing and torturing. So it was less confusing. Where they doing it as much as Black folks are doing it to eachother today? I'm not sure. However what we DO know is that now most of the killing and torturing SEEMS to be done by other Black folks...with a grin on their face. Not sure what the numbers were back in slavery, but AfroAmericans have been killing and shooting and stabbing eachother by the THOUSANDS every year since the mid-60s or before. Not to mention the other treacherous shit our people often do to eachother. So we weren't around to WITNESS Slavery, but most of us who grew up in urban areas like New York, D.C. and Detroit HAVE witnessed what niggaz did and are still doing in the AfroAmerican community...lol.

Troy You probably learned something, but I get your point. I didn’t take calculus in high school, but I took it in college as well several courses in higher mathematics all of which I have forgotten. My grades in these courses were not good I had a problem understanding the concepts years later I watched a YouTube video and a light went off. I recall, thank you man. If the professors just explained it like this, it would’ve been so much easier. I took many courses and did not learn very much. I’m not sure if it was my fault the professor‘s fault or combination of both probably the later. Although the SUB-CONSCIOUS absorbs and remembers everything you come into contact with, the CONSCIOUS (which houses the intellect) has limits. You can only absorb so much and if what you soak up is not being used, it's pushed into the sub-conscious and replaced by knowledge that is more relevant. In all my years in corporate America and as entrepreneur, beyond the basic skills of reading and math, I everything I needed to know on the job… Which is the way it should be. I sincerely believe that the public educational system was PURPOSELY designed so that Black people and especially AfroAmerican males could NOT learn. They study us and how we think and then they purposely construct curriculum that they know will work for White girls, White boys, and even Black females while leaving Black boys behind. If that's JUST a conspiracy theory (and not a Conspiracy fact) and not the truth....then tell me why so many Black men excel in the U.S. MILITARY! Seems to me if Black boys can't learn...that same pattern would follow them into the U.S. Armed Forces. But we know Black men do FAR ABOVE AVERAGE in just about every department in the military. There's a disconnect somewhere. ProfD Then again, the system is designed to produce certain outcomes. Ofcourse. It was DESIGNED to produce failures out of most Black men. Especially AfroAmerican men. They study us. They know what makes us tick and how we learn. Why do you think these Universities and private organizations get BILLIONS of dollars to do "research" on social behavior and the mind? Who are they researching? YOU You can't tell me a 10 year old Black boy who can memorize every lyric to every song that his favorite rap artist produced (dozens if not hundreds)....but can't learn algebra.

Well my question is, if the husband was scowling and upset at what he saw....then why did he bring his ass up here? Why didn't he stay where he was and be happy, and let his wife and kids come up here where THEY'D be happy? I know what it was. He saw too much Black competition, and didn't like it....lol. Most people who come to the U.S. don't realize that we have so many Black people or that so many of the Black people are doing well. They think most AfroAmericans are confined to ghettos and slums being harassed by the police. Probably came up here and saw so many Black folks with money, cars, and Black men with White women giggling at them and thought to himself... "These Prietos would never be allowed to make so much money, drive such cars, and screw so many white women back in MY country." Talk about war is a "necessary evil". To many of these non-Black immigrants; having to live and work around Black folks is a "necessary evil" if they want to stay in America and have something to eat. As much as they hate it, they don't want to go back to sleeping on dirt floors and having to share the sidewalk with goat and dogs.

If New York City is so strapped for cash, they should stop housing and feeding all of those illegal immigrants they have up there by the thousands. Housing them up in hotels and giving them spending money. .....but have the nerve to complain about citizens not paying subway fare.

richardmurray Man, are you serious with all of that algebra up there...lol. You do that with umbrarchist, not me...lol. If (A+B)-C>D then that goes to your position Pioneer, for you don't suggest any changes, so by suggesting nothing you suggest maintaining the status quo which is what the simple function articulates. If it's working. If the transit system is still operating under it and the riders aren't complaining....I say keep it until they decide to implement something better. But I argue that using federal funds for the municipal service is financially dysfunctional because it demands a reliance on external funds outside the city' control thus is financially irresponsible. I'm inclined to agree with you. The same thing goes for the public school systems and other city and state services. Most city and state services in the United States rely..to one degree or another...on federal funds for operations because the revenue they receive from taxes and other sources are simply not enough. However keep in mind that as it's structured currently, the federal government's funds are almost inexhaustible. They literally can MAKE UP as much money and distribute it however they like to whoever they like. That being the case, I'd much rather see federal dollars go to support social services that benefit citizens like healthcare, public transportation, education, etc....instead of wars and foreign aid to racist countries like the Ukraine.

frankster They are not Phenotypes You said they were SUBSETS of phenotypes. Yes I stand by what I said and see no contradiction....Traits are not phenotype You said traits were SUBSETS of phenotypes. Webster's Dictionary defines phenotype as: : the observable characteristics or traits of an organism that are produced by the interaction of the genotype and the environment : the physical expression of one or more genes https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phenotype#:~:text=Medical Definition-,phenotype,of one or more genes Since you like to make them up, what is YOUR definition of a phenotype? That was your confusion....not mine Ha haaaaa..... Trust me my brutha, I am NOT confused. Seems like they are not sure and are just making it up....to suit a political agenda or another. They are sure; but they like to play word games ALSO to suit their agendas. They decide who falls into what race based on how many Caucasians are available in the population to help rule. In a majority Black country...they may decide that ANY White ancestry will make you White, because they need the extra support. But in a country where Caucasians are the overwhelming majority....they may turn around and decide that ONLY those who are 100% White will be accepted into the White category. So their is no distinct and discreet determination as to the when one is no longer considered a caucasian it is a guess based on personal opinion. Sometimes it is. Other times, the government/system and culture will decided how much of Caucasian ancestry is enough to make one Caucasian. Only recently has it been a personal opinion where people could decide what race they were. In the past, in Western society the racists made that determination for you based on their agenda. Some remain caucasian...even after admixture? Yes, just like most Greeks and Italians have Black ancestry but most of them are still considered European Caucasians. Others remain Africans...even after admixture? Yes, just like most AfroAmericans have Caucasian admixture but for the most part most of us are still considered Black. And what is the even mixed now a new race or both? Most Latinos are mixed, and they are now considered a relatively "new" race less than 600 years old. Although Latino isn't really a race but an ethnic group, but they are treated as an entire race. They were Africans before calling themselves caucasians....even before mixing I see you don't know the history of the Arab people. I See Two Human beings. Are there differences....yes My biological brother and I also have differences That's like saying....when I point out a steak and carrot and say one is a meat and the other is a vegetable...you turn around and say you just see two pieces of food. Duhhh...... Who DOESN'T realize that? But they still fall under two different categories. Or do you need A white man to decide for you? Whether I "need" him to do it or not...he's going to. We should learn a lesson from him and start making OUR OWN decisions as well.

It happens occasionally, but not nearly enough. And in the defense of our brothers, I would also say that the media does it's best NOT to report on the circumstances where brothers DO stand up and get the upper hand. That incident in Alabama felt so good to see and had Black folks grinning and talking for weeks afterwards way up here in Michigan and around the nation. People we making "chair" jokes for nearly a month....lol. The Establishment knew it and it just reminded us as to why so few incidents like that are actually reported in the mainstream media. Because they are careful to NOT inspire other Black folks to stand for themselves in similar situations. As Dr. Wesley Muhammad and some others in the Nation of Islam pointed out many years ago, they love to show you pictures of Black folks being brutalized, beat up, executed in the streets, in helpless situations....because it demoralizes you and makes you feel hopeless. Even if they have a story and footage of Black folks standing up and fighting back...they are reluctant to show it. They know what they're doing. But that George Floyd footage backfired on their ass...lol.

frankster Nature Is As Our understanding of Nature grows....we create categories. I can agree with that. The same applies to humanity; which is why we establish RACE and other categories. Nature Traverse All Realms....if it exist it is of Nature. Not true. The SUPREME BEING exists, and is not of Nature. The Mind uses the Brain to exist/operate in physicality. The Mind is non-physical. So it could be said that the mind is used to make sense and process what we pick up from our sensory organs. Is that correct?

frankster Okay then what did you say? I said that YOU said traits were NOT phenotypes. I Am sure I never said traits and Phenotype were the same Again, nobody said you said that. What I said was traits make up phenotype or something similar. After saying that traits were NOT phenotypes, you finally admitted that they were a SUBSET of phenotypes. Kind of like first saying that women are NOT humans, but then later on finally admitting that they are a SUBSET of humans along with men. Why Are they "TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED" Caucasians? Because most archeologists and social scientists who make these determinations consider them as such despite their various admixtures. How are the different from Caucasians? Many if not most of them ARE Caucasians. So there is little difference. But many of them are NOT actual Caucasians despite their classification, and are actually African or mixed. Of Those that have or include "admixture" are they Caucasians or Africans? Some are Caucasian, some are African, and some are neither but pretty much an even mix. You mean like how the Caucasians were originally Africans No. Meaning, they were Caucasians when they began calling themselves "Arab", even before mixing in with other people. Not only have you adopted this idea of race from these IGNORANT racist....you are now making improvement to it - lol. How can one "adopt" something that is common sense and easily observable? You don't have to be a White racist to easily see the difference between Donald Trump and Wesley Snipes. Is "Mixed" then a new Race? No. Depending on the society it could be considered a combination of different races or an entire race in and of itself.

And that's part of the problem.......... Black men up there trying to sell woof tickets that White folks are no longer buying. When the White racist saw them brothers all strapped and organized and thought they may actually USE them, they backed off and the killings stopped. "Well, well, well...... Looks like them boys ain't playin' " But when they realized niggaz were up there with shades on posing and profilin' like some West Coast gangsta rap video but had no intentions of actually defending the community if need be....the race soldiers went on with business as usual.

If you play close enough attention, you'll realize that MOST Black Trump supporters aren't Conservative at all. Most Black Republicans have traditionally been more fiscally and religiously Conservative....and remain so. But Trump is galvanizing a NEW breed of Black constituents who can't correctly be called Conservative and definitely not Liberal....but seem to follow him and him alone in whatever he says and does. There are dudes out there who are in an out of jail, smoke weed all day, have several baby mamas...and haven't been to church since their mother made them go...but are die-hard Trump supports. I think they don't care about his policies so much as his boldness and arrogant attitude that they're attracted to. And then you have another large group of Black people who support Trump ONLY because of what they THINK he will do about the immigration problem.

He actually hit on a few good points....lol. Most women want a man who will LISTEN to them! It took me YEARS to figure that one out, lol....but when I did....I put it to work. I got quite a bit of coochie from just LISTENING to women when they were stressed out, lol. Didn't have to say anything. Just BE there...lol. Amazing Most women want to TALK out their problems with eachother, but when it comes to men....they don't want men to talk so much as to just listen. Even when it comes to MAN problems, that in my opinion we could actually help them solve since we know how men think. But most of them still would rather us just listen.