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ProfD Dr. Clarke didn't contradict himself. He started out with humans being one race. Then, he explained how race and racial classifications were created (defined) in relation to the construction of white supremacy. -He said there was NO SUCH THING as race -Then he said races were CREATED by man That is a CLEAR contradiction. You can't say there is no such thing as something that was created into existence. Infact, our brother and elder scholar was also mistaken in claiming that racism started in the 15th century in Europe. Anti-Black racism was establish loooooong before that time. We can read stories of how Black people were treated in early Arabia: Bilal was a black slave from Habasha, Modern day Ethiopia. A son of an Arab father and an Ethiopian mother. His mother was an Ethiopian princess who was forced into slavery and got married to another slave. Bilal was born in Mecca. Due to its prevalent injustices including racial injustice, the period before the coming of Islam is called Jahiliyyah (a period of ignorance) in Arabia. Racism was one of the first priorities that Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him — PBUH) stood against. They would make him face the idols, shouting worship the idol, ‘you son of a black woman’. Bilal persists and would not abide. Umayyah then put a collar on him and dragged him, while mocking him, through the public to the desert. There is an occasion where one of the Prophet Mohammad’s companions calls Bilal, ‘oh you son of a black woman’. The Prophet Mohammad’s rebuttal to this attitude was swift. Before passing away in 632 A.D, the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) gave his last sermon. In this speech he condemned racism. He said: From Slave to Master: The Story of Bilal the Unbreakable | by Pashew Nuri | Know Thyself, Heal Thyself | Medium This was over 1,400 years ago in Arabia. Obviously much earlier than the 15th century. And they were dealing with anti-Black racism even back then. Troy Pioneer what does the fact that there can't be a genetic test for race tell you? Can you answer that question? It tells me that we don't need one. It's simply a way to classify people with differences that already exist. Do you need a "genetic test" to decided the different flavors of ice cream or colors of crayons?

aka Contrarian What does any of that have to do with Farrakhan being extraordinary? It just proves he can't perform miracles. Who said anything about him being a "miracle performer"? Raising the bar a bit...aren't we...lol. Very few people who've listened to Minister Farrakhan...even his critics...would doubt that he's gifted and extrodinary if only in his oratory skills. It doesn't take anything special to tell people to do what's best for themselves. Yes, anyone can sit up and TELL others what to do. But to get large numbers of them to actually DO it...actually is noteworthy. Perhaps not as many as you (or I) would like, but by the thousands is pretty remarkable. Troy Pioneer, have you ever raised kids? I've helped...yes. And I'm still helping to raise some...lol. The reason I ask is because what you've described is what the vast majority of us have done for all of recorded history -- without giving up bacon How many children have you gotten out of and kept out of prison? How many children where part of gangs that you've rescued? How many children have you gotten off of and kept off of drugs? Let' compare your, my, and Cynique's numbers COMBINED....with Farrakhan's numbers.

If that were true.....IF....that were true....again....WHO'S FAULT IS THAT???? It's right there on the package that smoking cigarettes is bad for your health and can cause harm. It's right there! Yet many people STILL ignore it and smoke the shit anyway....and end up paying for it. Who's fault is that? Is it the fault of the surgeon general??? Was the surgeon general not effective enough or was their message too "mundane" to be heeded by the people? Or was it that some people are just too damn STUPID to accept a clear message being given to them and have to learn things the hard way....if they learn at all?

Now...whether she wants to ADMIT it or not...I think Cynique actually agrees with ME on how race is defined. It was a while back, but if I recall correctly..... We were all having a conversation and the issue of race came up and her position was similar to mine UNTIL she found out what my position was and what yours (Troy) was, then she started talking about how she was "reconsidering" her beliefs on race or something like that....lol.

ProfD Sure. I'm referring to the death penalty being carried out after a *fair* trial. Folks shouldn't be stretched out on death row for 30 years. That's no different from a life sentence. What's really jacked up is in some countries like Japan, they don't even tell people WHEN they're going to execute them. They'll put somebody on death row and they don't know if they're going to be executed in a few days or not for a few years. They simply don't know....until a day or two before the execution. The psychological torture. Right. Chopping off hands for thieves and genitals for rapists would be a strong deterrent too. No need to lock them up. But I can't stress strongly enough that we need to make sure that the offender is truly guilty of their crime. There shouldn't be a lot of room for error or racial bias.

We knew that was coming. Trump is a narcissist and can't stand for ANYBODY to get more attention, more praise, or more limelight than him. When Musk started getting more press time and people started calling HIM the "brains" (figuratively speaking @frankster...not literally...lol) of the Whitehouse, Trump already had an exit plan plan waiting for him. It's the same during his first administration with that Anthony Scaramucci dude who Trump appointed to some position. As soon as he started showing up in tailor made suits, shades, and started doing press conferences showing a bit of flash and charisma...Trump had security PERSONALLY escort his ass out of Whitehouse and off the property...never to return, lol.

Well..... Can YOU call for a Million Black men or women to meet YOU in Washington D.C.....and they actually show up? How many people do you KNOW who can do this? If he was able to do this and there was "nothing extraordinary" about him, what does that say about you and the others who couldn't call up a million FLIES to meet up in one place....let alone a million Black men?

Troy What question do you have that is so volatile...lol...that the answer would "violate" my reasoning? frankster Only as social constructs....not genetically So? You once rejected THAT...now you accept it. So we're making SOME progress, lol. Even Your dictionary and link agrees with me....it is not biology but social. If the dictionary agreed with YOU...the word "race" wouldn't be even IN it, lol. Social Constructs are relative and temporary and not valid or true in all places and all the times Well the social constructs of today are true for THIS time in THIS place. I ask you first... then I will give you mine Rather than giving you MY definition, how about I give you THE definition: Orientation is an act or process....hence behavior. look it up. I did. And it turns out that you're WRONG...as is often the case, lol. The actual definition of orientation is: If you're still DIS-ORIENTED about the true meaning of "orientation", let me know...lol. But he is still a man...thats hated by other men - that is same sex hate But that's not sexism. You can run but you cannot hide or getaway.....lol Why would I want to run or hide or getaway from someone who obviously needs HELP...lol. I'm here for my dis-oriented brother. I wander why - you running but you can't getaway from the truth I KNOW why. You wander because you are dis-oriented...LOL. But we'll help you get on the right track and find your way back to where you need to be.

He did HIS job. He can't save everybody. For over 50 years he's been showing brothers and sisters the right way to form and raise families, get off drugs, stay out of trouble and prison, and live productive and for the most part successful lives. THOUSANDS of Black men and women can attest to this and are very thankful for his efforts. Infact back in 1995 he called over a million Black men to show up to D.C. and told them to go back home, take care of their families, leave the drugs alone, become leaders in their communities, and BUILD. How many of them followed that advice? Like any minister, if he gives you the word...it's up to YOU to listen to it and follow the advice. Now if YOU choose not to do that....that's more of a reflection of YOU and not HIM.

frankster Lol.. There's a reason why they kept putting the term "little brain" in quotes. It is figurative. So it's not taken seriously; especially by people like YOU. Notice how they would speak of the "little brain" but when it came to the ACTUAL brain they say "like the neurons in THE brain". Meaning the ACTUAL brain....the REAL brain. Not this "play-tend" or "make believe" brain we're figuratively speaking of. Pubmed and the doctors did it for me. They were being figurative, thus the quotes. I think you know that. Atleast I hope you do. Thats up to you....call it what you want I'm gonna call it "a wrap" for THIS particular issue...lol. Troy Sounds like he was hallucinating. What if he wasn't? What if he actually saw and heard what he claimed? People don't hallucinate entire scenarios in crystal clear imagery like he did. ProfD Folks who claim NDE is so great and beautiful never seem to be in a rush to make it permanent. Actually many if not most of them do! Most people who have had vivid NDE's have said that they were depressed when they came back to this world and all they could think about for a long time was how beautiful it was on the other side and just going back. For many of them, the only thing that kept them FROM committing suicide to go back over there was knowing that their time in THIS world was limited....would be up soon anyway...and that their life was given to them as a gift and they didn't want to disappoint Who gave them that gift; so they spend the rest of this life looking forward to the reward of going back "home".

.....and how do you PROTECT that reserve once you attain it? This is why we need a COMMUNITY of people who are organized and willing to look out for eachothers best interests. Good examples of this are the various Jewish communities in New York with their own schools, ambulances, and policing services. And the Mormons in Utah.

Dr. Clarke was a very brilliant brother, but in this particular case he was WRONG. He literally contradicted himself by saying that there was no such thing as race THEN went on to talk about how man invented races and racial classifications!!!! According to the Cambridge dictionary, race DOES exist: race noun (PEOPLE) C1 [ C ] one of the main groups to which people are often considered to belong, based on physical characteristics that they are perceived to share such as skin color, eye shape, etc.: People of many different races were living side by side RACE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary That entry from the dictionary is clear proof of the existence of not only race but MULTIPLE races as a way of categorizing people. If it didn't exist, there would be no need to define it.

Troy Again, those articles were addressed and @frankster I believe even provided you with information to explain why. The only thing frankster did was...like you...DEFLECT from the point of those articles. The point was that science/medicine DID recognize race and multiple races. frankster The Article deals with race as a Social Construct... And? It would support your ideas and lend credibility.... My credibility with who??? I've already said that multiple races are real and they exist. You said you didn't accept it. So I provided dictionary definitions as well as scientific journals PROVING to you that they do. Yet you still argue with me or deflect by calling it a "social construct"...as if that is supposed to absolve you of your error. Do you know what a social construct is? Does it matter? It's a reality whatever it is. Caught you.... Lol...I wasn't running anywhere TO be caught. I truly don't recall discussing the concept of "race" with you in depth. Yes it is sexism What's your definition of "sexism"??? Yes....they are hated for their sexual behavior They are often hated for their sexual ORIENTATION regardless of their behavior. They could be gay virgins...and still be hated and seen as queer. Not sure what you are saying here I'm saying that a man who has sex with a woman would NOT be hated. Which means a gay man isn't hated because he's a MAN, because if that were the case straight men would be hated as well. He's hated because of his sexual ORIENTATION...being gay. Usually male who have sexual relationships with other males are hated as a class/group. Yes. This isn't sexism. Other members of the same sex are NOT hated. It is sexism I think you are confusing Mysogyny and Sexism... I think you are.....confused, lol.

ProfD I've already read about NDEs. Didn't change my mind any more than hearing someone prophesizing or speaking in tongues. Well, if you have a half hour or so...check this brutha out: I understand most people have to believe in something. It provides meaning and/or a sense of purpose to their lives in the physical and spiritual realms. If this urge is in humans, perhaps it was given to us for a reason. frankster You missing the point You're missing MY point. MY point is you said that they found a "brain" in the heart. ....I did not set out to prove that the heart just has a brain Good, because you didn't...lol. If it pumps and the heart is also a pump....then it is a localized heart (as in a pump) So if a man uses his fingers to stimulate a woman sexually, is his finger now a "localized penis"???

ProfD That would make sense. If 20 years doesn't rehabilitate there's a deeper problem. This is my reasoning as well. It's about rehabilitation and deterrence. Agreed. If the crime warrants a death penalty, it should be carried out in short order. Similar to how the Germans applied it with the guillotine. Well not TOO quick...lol. Make sure the person is ACTUALLY guilty of their crime before putting them to death. So many people are on death row in the United States based on flimsy evidence, racist/biased juries and judges, and simply not being able to afford a good enough lawyer. Here and anywhere else where you have Black people living under White rule...I'd demand that a person almost CONFESS to their crime before sentencing them to death. Don't sleep on torture being a viable deterent. A lot of people aren't afraid of death and really don't care. They'd shoot up 100 people and welcome the death penalty with a smile. One quick death for a crime so massive and heinous??? No way. Make them pay a price for EVERY life they took and EVERY serious injury they inflicted. You said the Germans and the guillotine. I think it was the FRENCH who used the guillotines...lol. Later on the Germans didn't even waste time killing one person at a time-they started turning public showers into mass gas chambers and executing people by the hundreds at one time.

ProfD Black folks aren't going to punish them. Maybe not directly...unless some bruthaz get to them up in the pen'. I don't expect Black folks to. I'm speaking of them being prosecuted and punished for their crimes legally. 🤔 But if a Black man a few cells down get a kite on what they did and wants to exact some of his own "justice" for our sista...I won't cry over it. That's not how radicalized individuals think. They believe in going the extra mile for the cause. Unafraid to sacrifice life and liberty for their beliefs. That's one of the reasons I left religion. I came to the conclusion that if I did believe in it...I would have to belive in it 100%. ..and I didn't. If you're willing to kill someone or sacrifice your own life for something, you better make good and sure it's TRUE before doing so. And if you're doing it for a religion, you might want to confirm that the Deity you believe in will have your back and keep your enemies from getting to you.

frankster Then why are you surprise by the stance he takes?? I'm not. If the evidence you provided is similar to the one you provided in this thread...then I know why it is not convincing. My point in providing those articles to him...as with you...is to offer PROOF that science accepts and deals with the concept of race as a Reality. That article and the others I've provided over the years accomplished that mission regardless as to how the information was accepted or rejected. Maybe you should try finding a scientific study on race specifically....that supports your point or opinion. Why? So you can work on your "denial skills" and find a way to dismiss THAT too? The name of YOUR game is "deny and deflect". DENY AND DEFLECT. First you deny something and when I present you with proof of it, you try to DEFLECT from it by pointing out something that has nothing to do with the actual proof I provided. Ok...I thought we had this discussion before Perhaps, but I don't recall it. This is a real life example being used to refute the idea that you have to be a different sex(male vs female) to be hated as in sexism Males hate males who engage in certain type of sex....where they play the role of a woman Then that's not sexism. If they are SPECIFYING the type of male they hate...then that means they don't hate males in general. So their hatred isn't geared towards a SEX but a PARTICUAL GROUP within that sex. What it shows is that you do not have to be a different sex to be hated because of your sex...as faux female are. As I said above, they aren't hated because of their sex but because of their behavior. A person of that same sex who assumes the role of a man and has sex with a woman will NOT be hated by that same person. One member of the male sex is hated. Another member of the male sex is accepted/loved. So it's not sexism, but something else factoring in. Troy Yeah, you simply can’t do it can you? You’re too young to be so rigid in your thinking. Man, what are you talking about....lol. I've shown you articles and given you definitions. If you're not convinced now that multiple races exist...you just don't want to be.

Trust me, the Nation of Islam gets on Black folks but in a positive and corrective way. Not in a way that reinforces the low self esteem that so many of our people already suffer from. They do it with CORRECTIVE criticism. They just don't do it in public....and they shouldn't. Family business stays IN the family. If your child steals something or lies, you don't drag them to the middle of the block and whoop them in front of the entire neighborhood. You take them behind closed doors, let them know what they did was wrong, and THEN you go to "work" on that ass -if need be (sometimes punishment isn't needed depending on the child) You don't go all over Youtube dissing your own people and calling them "no good niggaz" and "baby mamma makers" like Jesse Lee Peterson and Pastor Manning. When you love somebody you firmly but humanely point out their errors while at the same time offering them the correction and solution and a better way to talk and live. I don't think anybody else on here...atleast anyone who posts here on a regular basis...criticizes our people like I do, lol. But I do it HERE...among family. Like Malcolm X said...you get behind closed doors with your family and TALK SHOCK. I'll tell you QUICK that a lot of these niggaz are dumb as hell and ain't shit. But I don't go in White spaces saying that or talking about how silly and criminal minded a lot of our people are because it only benefits White folks who enjoy hearing it. Hearing and seeing the dysfunction of our people makes White folks feel better about themselves and superior. When you go to a NOI Temple/Mosque one of the first things they do is line you up and search you and your belongings from head to toe and even manhandle you if you resist. And then they'll explain to you WHY there's a search procedure because of the crime and vices and immorality in the community. They're trained to deal with the hard headedness and rebelliousness of our people.

ProfD I have no idea of what's going on in death. Maybe the playing field is level there. Study "Near Death Experiences" and perhaps they may change your mind. I don't see any reason Black folks should have to wait until they're dead in order to have peace and prosperity abundantly. Many don't. Much of it depends on how F/fortunate you are and how smart you are to make that happen for yourself. Even during Slavery some Black folks faired better than others. White folks are enjoying everything that life has to offer on this side. They're not waiting for an all expense paid trip to the other side of *glory*. Many White folks have enough sense (intelligence) to BUILD it for themselves instead of waiting on death or having faith in religion. Many of our people do to. The Nation of Islam teaches that there is no life after physical death and they encourage their members to NOT expect "a pie in the sky in the sweet bye-n-bye after they die" But to "get something SOUND on the GROUND why they're still around" I believe a person should strive for BOTH. Success in this physical life and even more importantly Success in the spiritual life or lives. How can you lose with all grounds covered? frankster The Ancients single out the heart as the most important organ in the body....their wisdom is not yet known by scientists - but they found a brain in the heart The exact quote is: First of all the article says the heart's neural network is OFTEN referred to as a "heart brain". That's not the same as finding an actual BRAIN in the heart. This is more colloquial talk in the medical field than actual accepted science. Kind of like how the calf muscle is casually referred to as the "second heart" because it helps pump blood back up into the rest of the body. It's not to be taken too seriously. Unless this "second heart" houses a "third brain"...lol.

ProfD That beautiful sista was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. The way I see it.... She was exactly where she was SUPPOSED to be...legally speaking. In HER country minding HER own business. They were the ones in the wrong place. But I understand the point you're making. Hopefully, those 6 illegal immigrants will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Most likely, they will be deported under the current administration too. Nah....that's too damn easy. Deport them AFTER they get through being punished for our sista'z murder. If they are still alive. This clown overstayed his work visa. He tried to unalive the *wrong* people. Coming against Israel and Jews is a cardinal sin. Lol...... They're talking about deporting his whole family now. Homeboy made the entire block hot with his antics. Somebody should ask him who told him that HE needed to run around setting people on fire over Israel when you have a dozen Arab countries with plenty of sophisticated weapons who COULD come to the aid of the Palestinians. The murder of the Jewish couple 2 weeks ago and this latest situation could result in an uptick in mass deportations. Was that the double murder at some sort of monument or museum in Washington D.C.? I didn't follow the story too much.

ProfD I'm not sure if Mr.Hoover is actually going to get out because he's not only serving a Federal sentence but a State one two concurrently. Perhaps that's why his sentence was "commuted" instead of "pardoned" I don't support giving people "life" sentences in prison. No more than 20 years at the most. I believe if they commit a crime so bad that they need to be locked up the rest of their lives, perhaps it's best to just kill them out right. Or torture them for a certain amount of time, reform them, and let them go free. If they have a mental problem where they CAN'T be allowed to go free, then they should be institutionalized and properly treated.

Regardless as to how bad it may seem to be for Black people, 2 things to be kept in mind: This isn't the only Reality. Death exists for a reason.

Reported by Fox News, so take it for what it's worth: Six illegal immigrants, ages 13 through 21, charged in connection with a South Carolina mother's "random" murder earlier this month allegedly texted each other about the crime afterward. Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office deputies located Larisha Sharell Thompson, 40, deceased with a gunshot wound behind the wheel of her vehicle on Riverside Road in Lancaster, located about an hour south of Charlotte, North Carolina, on May 2. Six migrants charged in SC mom’s murder detailed crime in eerie messages: ‘Just the beginning’ Whether this is xenophobic propaganda or not: 2 things are strikingly clear: 1. This sista's murder was real. She was killed by people who had no damn business being in the country in the first place 2. Non-Black Latinos offer very little if any benefit to us as FBA/ADOS by being here in this country.

frankster Did you know that prior to this thread....that he had that opinion on race? Yes. I've known this for years. And no amount of evidence PROOF I've presented to him has convinced him otherwise. His dial is SET on that station...lol. You also knew that I shared that opinion on race? No I don't recall going in depth with you over it but I thought you actually DID believe in multiple races. Hindu scriptures... Can you provide a quote (or quotes) from Hindu scriptures that clearly assert that humans are millions of years old? Is this the quote: "Both Blacks and Whites did not know they were Black or White till they Arrive in the West...and became Aware of the 'Ideology of Racism that governs Western Society." The difference is Singular Historical Experience - Transatlantic/Triangular Slave Trade/Route and its effects and purposes." Yes, that's the quote. You clearly spoke in general terms claiming Whites didn't know they were White until they arrived in the West. It is based on sex....your own difinition just admitted to it It's based on sexual PRERENCE. Sex and Sexual Preference are 2 different concepts. They often overlap, but are still separate.

ProfD In Voodoo, Hoodoo, Santeria, Eastern Mystical traditions, and indigenous magic in general...blood, bones, nail clippings, and hair are all used in rituals and spells. It's commonly believed that these body parts...even when they have been separated from the individual for an extended period of time contain the "essence" or "print" of the person. To frankster's point, science today is just now catching up to this with the DNA codes and other individual markers of a person. Hell, it took them thousands of years to realize that nearly each individual had their own unique FINGERPRINT...lol. The human body has also been likened to a "hologram" in which each pixel is actually a representative of the entire PICTURE. But to you that all sounds like magical mumbo-jumbo....lol. frankster Yes it is evidence... Yes, at this point that's all it is...not proof. Every cell and organ is conscious.....according Ancients Knowledge I can agree with that. No need to single the heart out. Yes...not just the cell - down to the molecules I can dig that too. Look I cannot make it any clearer with out coming off as being condescending....Which you may interpete as an insult. Cool. I'm not gonna ask you again.