Pioneer1

"Are you for REAL...for real????" I mean..... You're seriously going to "re-explain" what I just showed you about the Bible's total justification of enslaving people? What I want to know right now is where is @Troy in all of this??? When it comes to discussions on the existence of race, you're steadily dipping in and out taking shots at my position. Throw a punch here.....dip out. Sneak in again....take a few jabs....look around.....dip out. Pop up.....throw a liquor bottle into mix....then run around the corner. But now that you have a man sitting up here JUSTIFYING SLAVERY and claiming the Bible doesn't say what it CLEARLY says....your silence on the subject is conspicuous.

Stop playing frankster! You done fucked around and stole ProfD's Username and Password and now you're going around the board promoting slavery in his name.....LOL. ....ya play too much.

Troy I don't know of any "experiment" that allows you to determine how old the Earth is. You have carbon dating and other methods that can give you an estimate age of certain material, but the entire planet???? When it comes to that.... Like the old saying goes: Your GUESS is as good as mine...lol. As far as showing you the dates for the construction of these hieroglyphs, monuments, and pyramids...I can't do that. To my knowledge, they didn't come with a time-stamp on them in the bottom corner, lol. Two things I will point out again...... 1. Whether we want to believe the planet is BILLIONS of years old or TRILLIONS of years old, we know for sure that it didn't begin around 4,000 B.C. like Western civilization taught and enforced for centuries. We KNOW that's a lie. 2. Western science...that so many people love to put their faith and trust in...has a well known and documented history lies, revisions, and deceptions. Putting your trust in THEM and their "findings" to determine the truth about anything wouldn't be the wisest choice.

ProfD Yep. I find the news to be more entertaining than reality TV And I find pictures of mature naked Black and Brown women FAR more entertaining than the propaganda being labeled as "news" today. It's starting to become my topic of choice when I surf the internet lately....lol. VP Harris mentioned a few aspects of her plan. There's not much meat on the bone. Ofcourse not. 1. It wouldn't be wise for anyone to give too many details of their plans before taking office because their political opponents could either steal them or derail them. 2. Like Trump, she doesn't offer much detail to her plan because she doesn't plan on implementing most of it anyway. Like I said, the agenda has been set. I wish people would see what I'm saying about every time Trump is asked how he plans to carry out this "mass deportation" he NEVER explains it. Instead he veers off the deep end with conspiracies, lies, accusations against Obama and Biden...everything but the details of how he plans to do it. Because he DOESN'T plan to do it.

Well don't just pick on the Christians...lol. Historically speaking, the Muslims have supported and condoned slavery as well.

ProfD Well, like I said earlier...for CENTURIES they were going around telling people that humanity is no older than 6,000 years..and using the Bible and the alleged "creation" of Adam to justify it. But, I'm wondering if *they* picked that 6,000 number arbitrarily similar to the way our calendar puts us at 2024 A.D. They picked that number because in reality, THEY are no older than 6,000 years....but the rest of humanity is. Otherwise, we should be in year 8024 or if humans have been around for 300,000 years, we should be in year 302024. Remember when I told you that I left out a lot of details in Elijah Muhammad's teachings, in order to make my post brief? The Original Man's Calendar was one of those details..lol. Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity on this planet starts a new cycle every 25,000 years. Every 25,000 years the old civilizations are brought down and new ones are constructed and a new calendar begins. The original Black Asians of India (Dravidians) also teach and believe this. These time periods are known as EPOCHS Anyway..... Elijah Muhammad taught that Yacub was born and did his work around the year 9,000 of OUR calendar (or 4,600 B.C. of the White man's calendar) OF this current 25,000 year cycle that we are living in. He lived to be 150 year old and died, and less than 600 years later (around 4,000 B.C.) the White race as a final product of selective breeding emerged. According to him, we are between the 15,000 and 16,000 years range in our calendar and have over 9,000 more years to go before this cycle ends and the next cycle begins. Not saying I agree or disagree, but those are his teachings.

ProfD The wife of a financially stable man won't nag him about not having any money. She might be complain about him being too tight with it. Perhaps she'll nag him about something else...not being able to satisfy her in the bedroom, or being a wimp, or being emotionally detached...lol. Sure. There is no one size fits all when it comes to relationships. Roles and responsibilities can and do change. Depends on the situation. That's exactly my point. So why even add the extra stress of pushing "traditional" or "male dominated" relationships when people are going to hook up and make it work however they like anyway? If a man is dominant...he WILL dominate. No need to push him to do so or encourage the woman to "dial it down". Some people have a higher tolerance for pain than others. Oppression probably works in the same way. I wonder do Black people have a higher tolerance for pain and oppression and THAT in and of itself could be a problem in some cases. Meaning..... Where as Black folks will put up with abuse and oppression and tolerate it and endure it because they're strong enough to, the weaker more delicate White man will be quicker to "snap" under pressure and go crazy either killing himself or every oppressor he can get his hands on because he can't take it anymore.. My contention is that human beings should not be enslaving or killing each other for no good reason. For no GOOD reason? Wait a minute....lol...is their a "good" reason to enslave another? Am I talking to ProfD or the frankster, up in here????

frankster If you cannot see that then my explanation may not help you. Why do I need you to "explain" something to me that I can clearly see and read? The Bible clearly supports and condones enslaving people and the words are as clear as day. Here is an example.... You are a defeated enemy combatant or yo are a poor destitute or a voluntary slave..One thing you are not is a victim of kidnapping. So what? You're still being enslaved. And the Bible supports your being so. You are advise to escape and the sorrounding community is oblige to protect you from recapture. They can only be passed along if the slave wants to remain a slave for that family....every 6yrs to 7yrs or 50yrs by law and statute all in bondage must be given their freedom Nope Leviticus 25:46 "And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever" The Bible supports the type of slavery America had, where slaves were passed along from father to son, generation after generation. According to this passage, those slaves weren't supposed to EVER get out from under bondage. For it to be support....then the society must allow and cooperative with your capture and re-enslavement. Not necessarily. That's only one TYPE of support. Another TYPE of support is them allowing you to be enslaved in the first place...lol.

frankster Both RACE and SEX are social constructs based on phenotype (biology). Just like people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain sex....people of a certain phenotypical set of traits are assigned to a certain race. Just like a penis is tangible...dark brown skin is also tangible. It's not a "social construct". Are you in your dream or is there content in your dream....then Nature is there. The problem with attempting to discuss this with you is your belief that nature encompasses "everything".

ProfD The 1st man has peace of mind in knowing his wife will never accused him of being broke. How so? Could you go into a little more detail. I've seen a lot of married couples where the husband and wife share power and the wife even seems to lead and make most of the decisions, who are doing VERY well financially. Only the luckiest old men get to enjoy that happy endings. Maybe that should be one of the goals of most men...lol. Throughout history, many people have chosen to die rather than be oppressed. The Palestinians are enduring both death AND oppression. It's not like they all chose to die a "noble death" before being forced to endure suffering and humiliation. No, they've gone through and ARE going through humiliation and oppression AS WELL as being killed.. And have been for many generations. And as mentioned before, their courage and brevity hasn't seemed to reward them. But I understand that many believe that they will be rewarded in the "afterlife" for their actions, so perhaps that's fueling them to keep going.

Troy OK, then how did Master Fard acquire this information? I'm not sure, but this type of question could be asked about MOST of the information we are given in an academic setting. You could stand up and ask the professor where did he or the people who wrote the books that he promotes or asks his students to study, get the information from...and where did THEY get it from...and so on and so forth. I'm more focused on whether or not it's TRUE. I mentioned before and I think you actually ordered and carried the book called "Making Of The White Man". That book and the research the author provided solidified a lot my beliefs in the Yakub theory by providing a lot of documented history and science that supports many of Muhammad's claims in a way that simply telling the story doesn't. It's like telling a kid that the sun is a star and leaving it at that. They'll find it very hard to believe UNLESS you go into detail AND they have some background knowledge in astronomy and science. Well, we recorded history doesn’t even go back 6000 years so What evidence would you expect to see? It depends on who's keeping the records...lol. The Vatican is FULL of ancient books and scrolls that they stole from indigenous peoples around the planet when Europeans went around enslaving and colonizing others. They'd burn up their libraries (like the ones in Egypt and the Americas) and take their ancient manuscript and ship them back to Europe....I presume to study them and acquire the knowledge for themselves. All the while claiming to be "good Catholics" who believed wholeheartedly in the Bible. Were these scripts less than 6000 years old, or much older? I'm not sure. But I'm guessing they are far older. How old is the oldest of these pyramids? Not sure, but I've heard they were at least 10,000 years old. I could see why they might do that. How did a Terrence Howard discover “new” math? I thought he was a Jehovah’s Witness. What does new math mean anyway? If you posted about this previously share link. Here's a video of him addressing students at Oxford I find it difficult to wrap my mind around 1 billion years. Trillions of years is just crazy. many scientists today including black ones believe our entire universe is 14 billion years old. now you’re saying that human beings have been around two orders of magnitude longer. to me that is just as crazy sounding as the people who believe the earth is only 6000 years old. But what do I know? Well, we KNOW for a fact that we've been lied to for many centuries by those who were supposed to be educating the people. First they claim that the world is only 6000 years ago and began with a creation story. Later on they claimed that it's much older by "other beings" were on the planet and that humans were only 6000 years old. Then "science" comes along and says that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years but "modern" humans have only been around -come on man, lol. Get your lies straight. The ancients say that humanity is much much older than what White scientists claim it is. We can agree on THAT...even if we can't agree on the estimations.

Race....among other things...was USED as a justification for racism, but I don't believe it was constructed as such. No more than I believe the difference between the sexes was "constructed" to justify sexism and chauvinism. As far as showing you where nature is NOT....Dreams.

frankster Ok? And how do the verses you just quoted abrogate or explain the verses I quoted that clearly SUPPORT and COMMAND the Israelites to not only enslave other people but keep them enslaved "forever" passing them along from generation to generation? That's like killing some people, allowing others to live, and then pointing to the ones you allowed to live as evidence that you aren't a killer....lol. What about the ones you killed!!!! You claim that when people make slaves of others and it becomes part of society....that's considered "supporting" it, right? Well, as shown above...that's what they were commanded to do.

ProfD The reparations movement would not be a joke if more AfroAmericans were on code. If an entire herd of zebras were on code they would come together with a plan to stomp out the 2 or 3 lions who come to their herd to kill and eat them...instead of scattering in different directions kicking up dust leaving the weakest zebras behind to be eaten. ....but they're NOT on code. And there's a REASON why they're not on code. -I think you know where I'm going with this, lol.

You mean to tell me yall actually WATCHED that shit...lol. I stopped being interested in this election MONTHS ago. I could care less who won because the agenda is set no matter who gets in office. Whoever the Establishment wants in....will get in; and it has already been decided. If I had a choice, I would RATHER Kamala take the seat because of what Trump represents and encourages. But in terms of actual policy....it makes no difference.

frankster The Social Construct that is Race is primary support for Racism. When carried to its extremes you end up with Chattel Slavery and the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews I agree. The key word in your statement is "extremes". If you take BATHING to the extreme you'll end up with very dry skin and rashes and other problems. We don't want to focus on extremes, but on moderate sensible ways of organizing society in a way that benefits US as a people and helps us identify our own. Then we will just have to disagree on that... Yes we will, because there is no way I will agree with you that The CREATOR of Nature is somehow confined to dwelling within the limits of Nature.

ProfD How do you define worth? The amount of value or benefit you get from it. In modern American society, let's say you have two married couples.... One is traditional with the man as head of the household; the other is more liberal with the husband and wife sharing power as equally as possible, or possibly with her possessing a little more power. What TANGIBLE benefits can the man of the first couple enjoy that the man of the second couple is missing out on by not being the head? There's no shortage of men who have stayed on the sidelines. Never got into the game. Yes, and lived to be a ripe old age and died healthy and happy laying on top of some young woman in bed...lol. While some brave (or stupid?) young men are laying in the grave over a LIE. Religion has little or nothing to do with how men operate in the grand scheme of things. I totally agree. Right. Therein lies the difference between alpha, beta and gamma males. Every man isn't built to be a soldier. Totally agree again. The Officers tend to be the educated ones, many of whom come from wealthy families and THEY make the decisions of how the war will be fought. Meanwhile the grunt-soldiers on the ground doing the fighting tend to be uneducated, poor, and in the dark about what the war is even about. If I had my choice at this stage in my life, I'd MUCH rather be an Officer than a soldier. Men aren't dying to maintain respect and/or fear from their women. They are dying to protect the freedom and way of life for their people Yes, that's why I brought them up as an example. Now the question is, is it WORKING for them? Looks to me like the more the Palestinians "stand up" for themselves, the more suffering and violence they end up enduring. The men AND women AND children are dying by the tens of thousands and they are not free or safe, so what benefit does a man being hyper-masculine and traditional offer the community in cases like that where you're facing overwhelming oppression?

frankster Here is the greatest difference I see between support and condone.. When it is supported...they are slave catchers and society is in cahoots with your continued enslavement and oppression. Leviticus 25 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor. -Sounds like the Bible condones & supports slavery, and now...SO DO YOU...lol.

Then another question...... Is being the "man" of the house or head of the community WORTH dying for? I often wonder should men really be "thriving" for that type of mentality or should it just automatically be "in" you to do that and think that way....which means that if it's not in you already, it's not meant to be. Who says the man who lets his woman take charge while he kicks back and enjoys himself and not ruffle any feathers is any worse than the man who wears his masculinity on his sleeves and trying to maintain control at all costs? This are sincere questions. I'm no longer religious, so I don't believe that "all" men were given some Divine authority to rule. I believe human males tend to be dominant by nature because of our testosterone...but there are many exceptions. So....who says that the brothers who are taking the easy way out....but surviving and enjoying themselves by living off of women...are in the wrong? Who says the Arabs who are dying to be "the man" and maintain respect and fear from their women....are right?

My question is.....why did anybody SERIOUSLY believe that the state of California was going to pass out Reparations checks to AfroAmericans??? I couldn't believe my brother Tariq Nasheed was falling for this one. First of all, STATES don't pass out Reparations.....NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS do. It was a joke from it's inception. I personally believe it was a ploy or plot to encourage more silly negroes to move out to California hoping to collect a check so they can trap them and lock more of them up.

frankster The ideology of Race It can only Categorize as Social Construct used to achieve political and economic goal and agendas...... Ok. So if those are the cards we're dealt, why not use them to OUR benefit? The Supreme Being is Nature I disagree. I believe The SUPREME BEING Created Nature, therefor is BEYOND Nature itself. It then begs the question what is using the Mind The Divine.

I wasn't aware of the back and forth between ProfD and richardmurray...lol. ProfD I hear (read..lol) what you're saying and as usual you make valid and powerful points, but let me give you something to think about. We can blame the White Power Structure for waging war against Black masculinity and blame the Black woman for being his accomplice. However if the Black man SUCCUMBS to this war or GIVES IN to this war...then who is the biggest problem? It's one thing to fight back....and LOSE to a more powerful force. It's another thing to not fight back AT ALL and instead run up in the house, lay on the couch, and smoke a blunt while your woman and children are getting their ass beat. Maybe their war and opposition just exposed how weak and pathetic so many of these niggaz really are...even if it's the MAJORITY of our brothers. Why do I say such a thing? Look at what White men have ATTEMPTED to do to the Arabs in the East. They have ATTEMPTED to emasculate them and punk them in front of their women but nearly every one of them will stand up and DIE if necessary to keep "order" in their community and maintain their hegemony in the household and community. Look at those Palestinians and how they are being slaughtered....but every two days somebody is setting off rockets and shit letting them know they are still "here" and got some breath in them. I wouldn't do that....lol But the "fight" in them is just that bold. Is that good or bad? I'm not sure. Maybe punking out and even turning into a cross dressing sissy with long blonde hair is a subconscious CHESS MOVE that allows Black men to survive a powerful enemy with overwhelming opposition that he can't defeat at this time. Maybe it's meant to by us some time so that instead of being exterminated....he lives to reproduce a future generation that will eventually win the war. ....or maybe just produce another generation of punks, lol. But at some point, we're going to have to take a look at the Black man himself and ask: 1. Why doesn't he TAKE charge of his family and community instead of begging White men or his lady to "share" some of the power? and 2. Why doesn't he prepare to DIE if necessary rather than continue to live in such a humble and humiliated state?

"Switch Hitters".....lol...now that's a new one to me. Sounds like some GROUP SEX gay shit going on with that one....lol.

If our brother Tariq Nasheed were on this board he would QUICKLY "correct" the title of your thread as should be: African men side African female athletes...lol. We know that murder and domestic violence transcend race and nationality, but the fact that crimes this heinous are RARELY committed by FBA men is beyond coincidence. There are certain things AfroAmerican men do to women and there are certain things they just don't do PERIOD, let alone to the women they loved or used to love. Dousing them in gasoline and setting them on fire is one of those things that is RARELY done by Black Americans...male or female. Again....it happens...but it's rare. It's like HANGING a person. Of all the different ways niccaz kill eachother, hanging another is near the bottom of the list; somewhere near crucifixion and burying people alive. Perhaps because gats are so readily available.... not sure.....but to douse somebody is gas and set them on fire it particularly hateful and vicious.

Troy How was this knowledge obtained by Honorable Elijah Muhammad? As ProfD already pointed out, it was taught to him by a man who went by Prophet W.D. Fard back in the 1930s. I appreciate the time and effort you put into proving this explanation @Pioneer1. It was interesting reading. Was it meant to be taken literally, or is a myth? Oh no, it's to be taken LITERALLY. Like I said, I don't know for sure if it's absolutely true like 2 + 2 = 4. But I believe the Yakub Theory more than I believe the Theory of Evolution. Am I understanding this correctly if I conclude that you are saying that white people emerged about 6,000 years ago? Yes. Is there any evidence that THEY go back any further? We have pictures of Black and Brown people on the wall of the Pyramids in both Africa and the Americas as well as painting all around the world that go back tens of thousands of years....but no White folks are in them, lol. Well parts of it resonate in that I believe humans may have been more advanced in the past in ways that we can't understand today Most ancient and indigenous cultures around the world also believe this...literally. If you talk to the Indigenous peoples of the planet, all of them say that humans were more technologically and spiritually advanced in the past and that the "Gods" dwelt among them. They teach that humanity DE-VOLVED to this time period, rather than E-volved like the Caucasians teach. Maybe BOTH are correct....respectively. I haven't let this Terrence Howard thing go yet. People are ridiculing him about his discovering new math. They'll clown on him and ridicule him just long enough to study everything he's saying and teaching....STEAL IT from him...and then in a generation or two pin the new findings on some goofy looking White boy as the "discoverer" of it.