Pioneer1

frankster I know what it means.. Just not sure if you do.... Does it MATTER, for the sake of this discussion? The socially constructed racial categorizations can be broken down to how ever society dictates... None of that will change the genetic truth...that there is only One Race - The Human Race. You're contradicting yourself. First you say that society can determine as many racial categories as they want, then you turn around and declare there is only ONE race. That's like telling somebody you can pick any flavor of ice cream you like, because there is really only ONE flavor. And that's the flavor of ice cream. Make that make sense. Science does not acknowledge race... You're simply WRONG, homie. whatever that means It means accept your Loss -the fact that you're wrong about race. And move on. No.....it did not. Racism came from the fact that.... Rich (Land Owning)Europeans did not want Poor and Indentured Europeans and Enslaved Africans rebeling together Racism and the idea of race did NOT start in Europe. It has been acknowledged FAR longer than that. Arabs acknowledged race and racism. Indians in India acknowledged race and racism. You can THINK you're the same as them all you want, but White folks KNOW they aren't you and you aren't them and will not hesitate to remind you of this fact if you veer too far to the left, lol. I think @Pioneer1 is incapable of being honest around race and racial issues... Look who's "typing"...lol. First you didn't accept the idea of races, THEN after I presented the definition to you you finally succumb to logic and accepted it. You run around....without references...declaring that there is only ONE race. But when I presented MORE facts to you that multiple races exist, you turn around and say that society can dictate as many races as it likes. You say science does NOT acknowledge race, but when I present scientific literature to you that prove that it does...you start getting specific and claim you meant GENETICALLY. Man you've changed your positions in this thread so many times I'm starting to wonder is this a discussion board or a porn flick.

frankster I brought it up because it is relevant You can present all the articles you like trying to shoe-horn your out-dated and erroneous religious beliefs into logic and contemporary science- .....but they won't fit. We know that evil thoughts, murder, theft, and adultery do NOT come from the heart. The heart is an organ used to circulate blood around the body. Not for thinking up evil thoughts. The needle used to administer the anesthesia...will cause pain And??? That pain is usually TOLERATED by the patient who knows that something GOOD is coming on the other side of it. Whether they agree or not does not stop the harm and the pain that will ensue Pain and even harm itself is NOT what determines intolerance. The decision to and immediate effect is what makes it intolerant Not sure what you mean by "the decision to" but the immediate effect of an act does NOT necessarily make it intolerant. Perhaps if they die because of it; that means their body couldn't tolerate it. Other than that..... ProfD The heart is a muscle with the sole purpose of pumping blood throughout our bodies. Right? I thought MOST people over 10 years old knew this already and it didn't have to be explained...lol. Thanks for posting BTW.... As much as I like debating and educating, it feels good to know that others are watching and keeping up with the discussion also.

Ofcoure not.... They know their own people better than we do....lol. Many Latinos I know....including Meztizos from Central America....actually VOTED for Trump and told me that they HOPED he would be strong on the border and keep the illegals out. Not all of them said this obviously, but many of them. More than I expected. I thought they were just playing or popping off at the mouth to "fit in" but it seems that many of the Latinos who come here come to escape the poverty and CRIME that goes on in their home countries and they won't want that shit following them here to the U.S. As I sit down and think about it..... It reminds me of Black Conservatives....TRUE Black Conservatives not the Jesse Lee Peterson types...who consider themselves decent and law abiding and love to draw distinctions between themselves as the "bad niggaz" who rob, steal, make babies they don't take care of, etc... And just like a lot of Black Conservatives who seek White approval by condemning the behavior of "bad" Black folks, it seems like a lot of Latinos seek the approval of Whites by condemning the bad apples among themselves.

Since the 80s, many of the racists have been trying to keep Black MALES out of the military. Using criminal background and drugs as an excuse. It used to be back in the OLD old days, joining the military was an alternative a criminal had to going to prison. All of a sudden now, they want you to be a "saint" before signing up. What it is..... During the riots of the 60s, they noticed a lot of bruthaz who had came back home from Korea and Vietnam were using some of the military tactics they learned overseas to fight the authorities with.

Troy None of thee above...lol. No one had to try to "sell" the idea that these type of people are crossing the border for me to "buy" into it; because it's almost common sense to me that they are coming in.

After watching several videos of South Africa, it looks so well developed and beautiful that I'm thinking about the possibility of migrating THERE...lol. https://youtu.be/NAEQy4aaCs4

Why? You said that you...(like frankster USED TO...lol)....believe in only ONE race, not two or multiple. So wouldn't that be a waste of time and energy until you've changed your mind?

frankster Not yet....but if it has a mini brain it may well be proven true Then why did you even bring it up as an example? I asked you what ancient teaching is proven by current knowledge and you brought THAT up as an example. Now you're sitting up there with some shiny eyes talking about... "No, no, Rasta mon...not yet but----" The tooth is a part of the body...the insult is to the body the patient feels the pain and is the one harmed...intolerance A good dentist will give the patient some anesthesia before that tooth is removed so that they CAN tolerate what's happening to them, lol. if its violent and causes pain and harm....then it is. Again, not all violence and harm is intolerance. If: 1. It's done for the benefit of the person it's inflicted upon, and 2. If all parties involved (doctor and patient and medical staff) agree to it. Then it is TOLERATED for the good of the person. Cutting is primitive and barbaric....it causes bleeding and exposes the internal flesh to harm/infection The METHOD of cutting can be primitive and barbaric if not performed correctly and with proper protocol. The act is intolerant The act itself isn't tolerant or intolerant because it doesn't have a will. The person the act is being performed ON either tolerates it or does not.

frankster You have yet to tell me what distinguishable means? I GAVE you the link to the dictionary several times already: https://www.merriam-webster.com Look it up, lol. society can have as many races as they want...all of them being social constructs Oh, so NOW you finally acknowledge that there ARE multiple races! Looks like (ProfD says: Reads Like...lol) we're making progress on this subject. it does...it demonstrates that the disparities you see is not cause by race....but by access to treatment.. Race is not the cause Nor is it the issue. The issue is whether or not science acknowledges more than one race and I just proved to you that it did. Take that "L" and move on...... Your link is not a support of race is biology...if any thing it is a support of racism has medical effects on its victims Racism comes from the FACT that there are multiple races to discriminate against. If there was only ONE race...racism wouldn't exist. If all ice cream tasted the same...people wouldn't have a preference.

frankster So says modern science.. Who are YOU to say otherwise? Are YOU a scientist, or heart expert? I will not call it false You don't have to, I will. If somebody was waiting on YOU to call it "false", then.... ....be waiting a mighty long time, lol. So far modern science is now say that the heart has a mini brain ...so the are going in the direction of ancient knowledge. Does science teach that "all manner of evil" and "evil thoughts" and "theft and murder" come from the heart? Doctor: The tooth is offensive...it must be violently removed and destroyed so he can get paid....intolerable But the tooth doesn't have a WILL to tolerate something or not. It's part of the person, who does. The the tolerance must come from the doctor and the patient. They both AGREE that the tooth must be removed, so it is. Tolerance. and you hurt that which you can't tolerate True, but not always. Not all forms of harm is INtolerance. Yes....its intolerable but sewing up the wound is good Stopping bleeding is good setting bones is good aiding the body to recover is good Right. So why would you call it "primitive" and "barbaric"??? How can it be thoughtless....it has only become what is called muscle memory - habit The thought has not lessen it is now embedded Yes...it is routine OK. But this doesn't mean the person it's being inflicted upon is more or less tolerant of it. It's totally up to THEIR will.

Troy Do I buy into "all" of the "rhetoric"???? NO

Troy I didn't watch it and I didn't care to. Watch it for what??? He's simply trying to change the focus of the subject (between us...lol....not of this thread) of our debate and add a whole lot of NOTHING to muddy up the conversation and take it to another direction. I've PROVEN with both tertiary and scientific references that multiple races exist and are acknowledged. So what are we still arguing????

frankster There is no genetic basis for Races among humans.... There absolutely IS, and a reputable source (Merriam-Webster Dictionary) supports this. When did you give me your source... your personal observation???? Again, the Merriam-Webster dictionary is one. A race is any one of the GROUPS...meaning there are MULTIPLE. What does the paper says caused the divergence or disparities? It doesn't matter. It confirms that MULTIPLE RACES exist. ...stop trying to change the focus. The divergence in mortality is not caused by races but by access to interventions Doesn't matter. It still acknowledges races (plural). That's the point. According to the paper what led to adverse therapeutic decision? What is meant by Adverse therapeutic decision? Irrelevant, this scientific journal acknowledges multiple races. Recognize and accept this fact. Why would one group of women experience lower screening rates? What could be the results of lower screening for women suggested by the paper? I don't know and neither do you. But what we DO know is that it acknowledges multiple races. Don't act like you don't know now. In Short the problem is not race but racism. Yeah, yeah, yeah...and Wakanda Forever...anyway...... This proves that SCIENCE ACKNOWLEDGES MULTIPLE RACES. ...as I said.

frankster They still ice cream.....all ice cream is still ice cream regardless of the flavor. Just like all humans are still humans regardless of race. I just gave you my link as proof....that there is only one race genetically. And I just gave you MY proof that there are MULTIPLE races. So I guess it's about which source we CHOOSE to believe. Sciences states that they are one race genetically... The hell it does...... This is a MEDICAL (scientific) journal: The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality In the 1980s, two medical interventions were widely implemented in the United States for breast-cancer management — mammography screening and adjuvant endocrine therapy — and racial disparities in access to these interventions, as well as in their effects, probably precipitated the divergence in mortality.2 Black women are more likely than White women to lack health insurance or to have inadequate coverage, which has limited their access to mammography screening and adversely affected therapeutic decision making. In the 1980s, for example, mammography-screening rates were substantially lower among Black women than among White women, although the rates are now similar.2 Yet from 1992 to 2016, the incidence of HR-negative breast cancer decreased among women of all races in the United States, and there was considerable variation in the rate of decline among racial groups and among women of the same race from different geographic regions. This article was published on June 18, 2022, at NEJM.org. The Emergence of the Racial Disparity in U.S. Breast-Cancer Mortality | New England Journal of Medicine So I don't know what YOU'RE talking about. Science CLEARLY acknowledges multiple races! The differences you are observing are ethnically and or socially constructed Man, the differences beween........... Him and him ...are NOT "socially constructed". They are NATURAL and are determined by GENETICS.

frankster You can teach falsity.... Agreement. Teaching that all manner of evil comes from the heart is not false. It IS false because evil and the teaching of it don't come from the heart, they come from the brain, the mouth, and other places...but not the heart. The heart is meant to chiefly assist in blood circulation. Ancient Knowledges teaches that we do If it does, it's not KNOWLEDGE...it's FALSEHOOD. SOME ancients may have taught this, while others may not have. Search up emotional intelligence or IQ I'm familiar with the concept. But this concept isn't about your emotions GIVING you knowledge but it's about you having knowledge of OTHER PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS and how to react accordingly. The initial harm is the offending tooth....the dentist malice is directed to that tooth It's not malice...in most cases, lol. It's scientific and emotionless unless you have a crazy dentist who is literally in a fight with that particular tooth, lol. The dentist is often using anesthesia and antibiotics....to eradicate pain and harm Harm is harm regardless of the intensity it's felt. Yes and that is harm and intolerance... hence doctors know it is wrong and strive to mitigate such eventualities It's not wrong, it's right....if it's done to eventually help you and make you healthier. Yes....and that's intolerable primitive and barbaric.. So in your opinion, performing needed surgery on someone is intolerable, primitive, and barbaric????? every strike is malice afore thought No, that's absolutely not true. It's generally routine and almost thoughtless.

frankster The different flavors or colors do not make them not ice cream....because all ice cream has flavor. And???? if it had no flavor it would be....ice shaved ice or frozen slushie snow cone ice The cream provide both texture and flavor...What you call ice cream flavor is what makes ice cream ice cream - it is in every ice cream No, it's the FLAVORING in ice cream that gives each type it's distinctive flavors. Just like it's the COLORING that gives each of it it's distinctive color unless it's just plain white. I call them ethnicities because what causes the differences are added or in other words environmental impacts. Races is a social construct and has no basis in genetics. I just showed you that race IS genetic. Ethnicity is more of a social construct than race because as you just said ethnicity is often impacted by the ENVIRONMENT; where as you're BORN in a particular race regardless as to the environment. One cannot differentiate one so called race from the other with any scientific definiteness.... You don't NEED "scientific definiteness"; you can usually LOOK at people and tell their racial differences. You can't look at these two men and tell what their ETHNCITIES are but you can definitely tell what RACE they are....

frankster True....they do not Contradict - they only appear to. Teachings is the act of sharing or imparting Knowledge Not necessarily. You can also teach and share FALSE information. Teaching people that murder, lying, and all manner or evil come from the HEARTS of men is teaching FALSE information. That the Heart is also a Brain Humans literally don't think with their hearts. Modern Science is beginning to confirm Ancient knowledge Now THIS statement....I can agree with. 👍 Information given or receive as knowledge can be wrong We agree. The Ancients recognize three ways of Knowing:- Intellectual Emotional and Feelings Emotional knowledge = you know how YOU feel. What other kind of way does your emotions give you knowledge? Inflicting pain through violence with the hope or goal of defeating your Opponent/Adversary can only be an exercise in intolerance That's not correct. You just said that the goal was to DEFEAT your opponent/adversary. If that is the goal, then "tolerance" or the lack of it isn't an issue. Harming or being harm is intolerable....whether or not you are any one else agrees to it So if a dentist and a patient agree that for the dentist to remove that patient's tooth they will have to undergo a procedure which will require a certain amount of harm initially....do you consider THAT intolerable? Agreeing to be harm or self harm is seen by the Medical Establishment as a form of illness But the medical establishment ITSELF often makes people sign papers agreeing to medical procedures that may harm them initially before helping them! In order to perform surgery on you a doctor usually has to CUT you...HARM you! All physically violent competition practice or training is an exercise in intolerance I disagree. In order to defeat my opponent...I must figure how best to hurt my adversary so as to gain points or win Sometimes this is the case, sometimes it's a matter of getting hits and kicks in regardless as to whether or not it actually "hurts" the opponent. In boxing, a boxer is scored on how many punches he can land on his opponent even if those punches aren't strong enough to knock them out or otherwise harm them. At any rate..... If BOTH of them agree to this, then there is no malice involved.

Troy Really? Do you buy into all that rhetoric about people crossing the border of being rapists, murderers, and members of MS 13? All nations contain rapists, murderers, and gang members; are the nations of Central America any different? If not, then why shouldn't we expect some of them be crossing the border to get into the country? That's why it's important to keep strict control over your borders and regulate who's entering your country. The U.S. doesn't appear to seriously be doing that. It hasn't in the past and doesn't seem to be doing it now.

frankster Not even you believe that crap you just typed... It's not a matter of belief, but a matter of knowledge. There are many flavors of ice cream...even though they be different flavors and colors they still ice cream What are you talking about? That's the point I JUST MADE...lol. I am recognizing....That they are many flavors of ice cream - Variety = variations which are ethnicities.... You're calling those varieties/variations "ethnicities". I'm calling them "races". Maybe the "ethnicity" analogy would be more fitting for the different ways that ice cream is actually MADE. However the "race" analogy" is more fitting for how the different varieties of ice cream LOOK, and what they TASTE and SMELL like. Troy @Pioneer1 do continue reject the science in favor of your personal experience? According to Merriam-Webster the definition of Race: Those definitions for race were valid as late as May 1st of this year. So atleast one of the definitions of race IS scientific as it deals with biology and genetics. I'm sure those who compiled those definitions didn't JUST rely on their personal experiences, lol.

frankster Current knowledge and Ancient Knowledge only....appears to contradict. I told you that actual knowledge DOES NOT CONTRADICT itself. Current knowledge and ancient TEACHINGS (teachings aren't necessarily knowledge) may contradict, but not ancient "knowledge". Truth is truth, regardless as to the times. Knowledge today is of yet to confirm unequivocally(having doubt).....What the Ancients are unambiguous(having no doubt) about. For example???? Maybe we the people and science of today just do not realize that Heart is also a Sensory organ. Or maybe that particular ancient teaching is WRONG. Ever thought of that???? In other words emotions is a way of Knowing and Being. Emotions is being, but not necessarily "knowing". You can strongly believe something and be emotional about it...and still be WRONG. Inflicting pain or accepting pain for money and or sport is an exercise in intolerance for recreational purposes and profit. Again, if ALL PARTIES INVOLVED in that sport agree to it...then it's not intolerance. Yes.....because for it to be a rivalry - then one man's gain is another loss Grudges are always involve and a part of it..... Always a part of what? It is just that those involve are will to suffer these insults in exchange for money Then they AGREE to it. They TOLERATE it. I just explain both above....they all go together The Violence....is a sure sign of Intolerance. The Rivalry.......is a sure sign of grudge - malice Not necessarily. Ever heard of "friendly competition"? Ever heard of "practice"? Ever heard of "training"? In practicing and training for certain sports violence is involved but usually not malice. Most people are HAPPY to interact with eachother and WELCOME those interactions even if they are violent in order to learn the sport and the best ways to play it.

....what happened to them? I went to Wal-Mart this morning and MAN, the place was crowded out with Central Americans. Not only was Wal-Mart full of Latinos but them cats were out in the parking lot having car shows or something, lol. Mass deportations was one of the few things I actually DID support this Administration on. I knew this would happen. I actually didn't think ANY type of mass deportation would take place, but the way the Administration came in the door swinging....I thought....maybe they ARE serious; but now....

Salute To These TRUE Black Soldiers!

frankster Yes...because - Doesn't matter why. You disagree with the official and popularly accepted dictionary (Merriam Webster) definition of race. Not much I can do with you there. You're entitled to accept and reject what you like. However this comes close to you basically making up YOUR OWN definitions and living in your own Reality. Which again..is your right...but don't expect ME or anyone else to follow you there. Your example is flawed it is more like people saying that different flavored ice cream is not ice cream..... because one is vanilla and the other is chocolate. No, my analogy was on point. Humans = Ice Cream Races = Flavors Your belief is that the OBVIOUSLY different flavors of ice cream shouldn't be labeled or even recognized. Your argument is that because almost all ice cream is made up of milk, cream, and sugar which constitute over 90% of it's ingredients -then the different flavors shouldn't be recognized or categorized.

frankster Yes...current knowledge does appear to contradict Ancients knowledge. No Knowledge does NOT contradict itself. If it was knowledge BACK THEN...and the conditions are the same...then it lines up with the knowledge of TODAY. Current knowledge contradicts this particular ancient TEACHING. Some one agreeing to violence does not make the violence any less intolerant. Only when they STOP agreeing to it. Can you tell when grudges are not a factor? Does it matter, for the sake of this discussion? Again you contradict yourself... "In that case a community can be both tolerant AND violent since the violence is sanctioned and accepted by all parties involved." Now its a majority....make up your mind bro? To make it more simple for you to understand: Requirement for the community = Majority Requirement for those involved in the violence = All Comprendes? Now you want to be reasonable...After saying "ALL" So you making a correction? I've BEEN making corrections through out the discussion. ...correcting YOU, lol. Then it is Malicious violent and intolerant. 1. Malicious, violent, and intolerant are 3 different words with 3 different meaning. 2. I understand the "violent" part, but how is THIS particular case "malicious and intolerant"???

It's not hard for me....lol. I'm on YouTube and I simply don't click on or listen to it. I know my man is being railroaded and mistreated.....regardless as to whether or not he's really guilty of what he's being accused of....so I don't trust anything being "leaked" out about him or the case. He's made so many people...especially young Black people....rich. Where are the people that he's helped and made rich in the entertainment industry and why aren't THEY coming to his aid? Where is Mase? Where is 112? Where is Ke$sha? Where is Mary J. Blidge?