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I'm familiar with it and read through it. Not the entire book, but parts of it. Although technically I shouldn't condemn a book or declare it a fraud until I've read the ENTIRE book from cover to cover to make that determination; sometimes if I'm reading a book and see CLEAR errors and fraudulent claims in it in the first few chapers....I won't waste my time reading further. Especially if it's a so-called "religious" book...which ideally shouldn't contain any errors.

It may be illegal to discriminate based on race in some cases, but it's NOT illegal to discriminate based on LINEAGE and quite possibly ETHNICITY. AfroAmericans aren't a race. We are an ETHNIC GROUP with a historical LINEAGE. Just like Arab Americans, Asian Americans, and Italian Americans. Troy I was a little closer than you were, because I was thinking 74. How I arrived at that estimate.... When I heard he was working for a computer company in the late 70s and could grow a full beard in a couple weeks...I pictured a man atleast in his late 20s if not 30s. Late 20s (maybe) + Late 70s = Being born somewhere around 1950. Ofcourse this being 2024 would mean that he would have to be around 74. Cynique I KNOW you're not in my "league" but you could be in your early 70s, LOL I bet you were rolling your eyes when you typed up this one...lol.

She was a cute young lady...lol. Too young for me....but nice eye candy.

ProfD Violence in all forms is a necessary evil among human beings especially when it comes to protection and survival. If it's NECESSARY, then how could it be categorized as "evil"? The fact that you HAD to do it means it was basically beyond your control or choice. Even a just court will take "duress" into consideration when determining somebody's guilt. Umbrarchist Intelligence and knowledge and technology are different things. I agree. A couple of White Brits could gun down 100 Black men with spears. No doubt it would make them feel superior. But that does not mean that they could fix the gun if it malfunctioned. But ANOTHER White Brit who MADE the gun can fix it. Or make another one. Or make 5 more and look for MORE Black men with spears to go after. Perhaps those Black men should focus on making a superior weapon themselves. This is why people should KNOW Physics! Again, I agree. However this takes INTELLIGENCE. You can try all you want, you aren't going to teach a retarded person physics or qualify him for an Engineering degree. frankster God/Nature is Infinite....Good is Finite - Good is the Finite Aspect of God. Good is action in tune with Nature Where are you getting these definitions? Are you making them up? There is nothing Outside of God How do you know? How so Because right and wrong also includes CORRECT and INCORRECT. An INCORRECT ANSWER is a WRONG ANSWER Now you are speaking biology. If the 'penis in ear' is part foreplay then it could be consider correct.....'Penis in Vagina is wrong' if the Woman does not Consent Go back and re-read the example I gave. I said, a man who inserts his penis in an ear to make a baby is wrong. Just inserting "penis in vagina" will not result in a baby....woman must be ovulating and man must ejaculate viable sperm Ok. Despite that extra information....my statement still stands correct, does it not? Wars are Evil....The Ends do not Justify the Means. Ok, so your position is that wars are evil. That includes the Civil War. Also, I understand that you don't believe the ends of ending Chattel Slavery for AfroAmericans and keeping the states united which soon gave way to the most powerful nation on this planet, were just reasons for going to war. What we call Evil is the Absence of Good You said there is ONLY good. If there is ONLY good....how can their be any "absence" of it? It would be theoretically impossible. Then, evil wouldn't be the "absence" of good....because it wouldn't exist in the first place.

A couple points: 1. I used to be religious, but I no longer am today. So I don't go around wasting time trying to prove what color Jesus and the Disciples were or did Africans receive Christianity before the Europeans. Those questions are almost meaningless at this point because WHOEVER founded Christianity or WHATEVER color Jesus was....much of Africa is still broke and in turmoil. So how is this helping us today? 2. Talked to a young lady from Central Africa today who spent 3 hours trying to convince me that HER faith (7th Day Adventists) was THEE right faith to have and that I should come to her church. I told her that Africans were far too divided. Divided by culture, divided by religion, divided by complexion and hair texture, etc....

Umbrarchist I too thought you were mentioning all of the engineering and mathematical stuff as evidence that those buildings shouldn't have totally collapsed as easy as they did simply because a couple of planes crashed into them. I thought it was leading to another conclusion. I didn't realize that ALL you cared about was how their collapsed defied certain laws of physics and as an engineer left you perplexed.....for real, lol.

...hmmmm Now THIS is the part I'd like to hear more about, lol.

ProfD Sounds like you're saying some evil is justified. So since you consider WAR...even if it's for a greater good..."evil" because innocent people often end up dead; then would you call personal self-defense "evil" as well if no innocent people are harmed? For example...... If a man is walking along with his woman and child and some fool runs up on him and tries to rob and assault them, would he beating that man up be a "necessary evil" in your opinion. Or not evil at all since the only one harm was directed at was the assailant?

You were working back in the 70s? And it sounds like you were past your 20s if you managed to grow a full beard like Malcolm's. Man...you been around a while, lol You need to hook up with our girl @Cynique Or "the nameless one" or whatever she's calling herself now-a-days, lol.

Where have I seen that name before????? I know this isn't the first time I've seen it, despite you having only 2 posts. umbrarchist I was recently banned from the StraightDope message board. ....doesn't look good on your resume, LOL. I don't have questions about the Twin Towers. I don't believe the official story....period point blank. I don't think most people do. My question for YOU is why waste time pointing out evidence that the public was being lied to and that the official story is incorrect, when most people know this already? What the hell is being done about it? If a group of White men were to come on television tomorrow night in black suits and shades saying THEY were the real reason behind the destruction of the towers and many other recent world events and they did it to promote their global agenda.....what will people DO about it anyway? Fuck the WTC, I have serious questions about that major Earthquake down in Haiti back in 2010 which killed far more people. Talk about conspiracies and what people with a secret agenda are able to pull off. I believe THAT was man-made. If I were to PROVE it somehow....then what? What could I do about it or even prevent ANOTHER from happening, if they wanted to pull it off again???

I think those are good definitions and your ask a good question. I think the term "lady" should be like the term "gentleman".....a term of sophistication and respect. Kind of like in Espanol the difference between a basic "mujer" and a "dama". Perhaps one reared to be a "lady" wouldn't mind being lead by a "gentleman" nor possibly even be offended at the thought of being controlled by one. Where as the average "woman" probably would....lol

I hadn't saw the first Uncle Tom video, let alone the second. Lol...are you saying I sound like an Uncle Tom??? Black Conservatives have some common sense ideas. Not too many, but a few. Especially when it comes to not making excuses for the silly and unproductive behavior of some of our people.

Don't even know the fella...lol. Just picked him because he was a Black PIONEER who helped established Black communities through out the land.

It's a sin only to Bible believing Christians. Along with hundreds of other behaviors and neglections. But if you're NOT a believer in that book, then it's not.

frankster There is no phenotype that is specific to anyone race and excusive from all other races....99.9 percent more alike than different. Nappy hair (not curly or kinky but NAPPY) is exclusive to the African race, as Chevdove and Cynique pointed out already. As far as I know GREEN (not blue or grey) eyes are exclusive to Caucasians. So what were they before the Greeks colonize them? The Greeks didn't colonize them, they WERE the Greeks and descended from the Greeks. Later on, those Greeks mixed in with the local African populations to make the Berbers that you have today. Do you have a painting sculpture or picture of theses Ayrans? The Olmecs were Native..Now Ivan Van Sertima is the Historian who led me to this conclusion but you might prefer a hear a white man.. Did Ivan himself say that they were NATIVE to the land? Africans Visited the Americas Long Before Columbus If Africans were NATIVE to the land...how could they VISIT it? You don't VISIT a country that you are naturally from. Come on man.

Troy The war against Hitler and Nazi Germany was considered good except by the Germans. The war against Hamas is considered good by ZionistsI and bad by Palestinians and many Americans. Regardless of who wins. Great examples, both. Good and evil are social constructs. There are no universal definitions across cultures and time. This is why you need laws and people to enforce them. I want to argue that there ARE definite goods and evils, but at this point I wouldn't be able to provide proof. But I do agree with your second point that as humans we need fair laws and they need to be properly enforced. ProfD War is a necessary evil among human beings as long as they have to protect themselves for survival. If it's necessary, how can it be evil? Evil intentions lead to wars. An individual or group of people decides they want to destroy or oppress other people. What about the example of WWII that Troy cited above? Wasn't that an example of a war started to END oppression and evil (atleast that was the claim)??? Eliminate evil intent. Practice peace, love and harmony. That's universal But if the U.S. didn't involve itself and go to war against Hitler and WWII, wouldn't that have led to MORE oppression and evil as Hitler and the Germans took more and more land and committed more and more genocide? And what about the U.S. Civil War? If it weren't for taking up arms and going against slaver holders in the South...wouldn't the Evil Institution still exist? frankster Only Nature exist. Shadows are the Absence of Light.....do shadows exist? First you say ONLY Good exists. Next you say ONLY Nature exists. Should we take this to mean that Good = Nature? And again, if ONLY Good exists then there is nothing outside of good. So going by your logic evil does NOT exist, right? If you kill to promote or support life....it is not bad or wrong. Hmmm.....interesting concept. Yes ......this is so because Right and Wrong is often used interchangeable with/for Good and Evil. Right and Wrong is A Social Convention...And is subject to Time Place Situation and Culture Right is based on Good and Wrong is based on Evil....Though it is based on it is not the same I agree Although I would say that right and wrong...in many cases..are more than mere social conventions. While "good and evil" may be up for debate depending on religion and culture, some forms of right and wrong involve simple LOGIC. For examples: 2+2=4 is Right 2+2=19 is Wrong A man who inserts his penis in an ear to make a baby is wrong A man who inserts his penis into a vagina to make a baby is right. This goes beyond religion, morality, and culture....and is about basic math and science. Wars are the wrong and thus evil So you believe the U.S. Civil War was wrong and evil? Also, I thought evil didn't exist since ALL was good...according to you.

Some. Very few. But some of these young cats under 30...I'm seeing them do shit we just instinctively knew not to do. Like run up and talk to a woman you SEE another man is kicking it with. I've seen that so many times it's ridiculous. You see my man got her up against the wall, all up in her face, and she's grinning and blushing away....and you still run up in her face....IGNORING THE DUDE TWICE YOUR SIZE...and try to have a conversation with her like he's not even there. What do you think somebody like THAT is going to do with their Reparations check????

ProfD A country of 335 million people would disagree. More people would agree with me than you think. Why do you think private and parochial schools are so popular if so many didn't believe their children weren't being properly guided in this society? And home-schooling is gaining popularity too. Obviously we as a country aren't all on the same page of what makes "good parenting". Specify the community to which you're referring. AfroAmerican/African-American/Freedman/FBA/ADOS/Native-Niggaz/+?? Reads like some warped form of eugenics. ANY form of "eugenics" is warped for us, because we shouldn't be in the business of preserving EU-ro-GEN-et-ICS. We should be in the business of preserving and promoting AFRO-GENICS. The same Black folks who can’t get Reparations should tackle social engineering. I'd argue that proper social engineering on our part should come BEFORE Reparations. What good will money alone do for a fucked up and dysfunctional people anyway, besides fuel their further self-destruction. After the first round of checks.....alcohol poisoning and overdoses in fentanyl laced dope would quadruple around the nation. There's a whole lot of slippery slopes in your thesis. Although slipping and falling is dangerous.... In his current condition, slipping down a slope should be the LAST thing a homeless man who is already on his ass should be worried about....lol. "Before I finish this lolipop and try to get up... Somebody needs to donate some new tennis shoes to me with a good grip on 'em so'z I won't slip and fall on this slippery slope infront of me....heh heh heh." If you are hesitant to try different social engineering projects to try to solve the problems our community is faced with, ask yourself: Can our community get worse than it already is? A community already suffering from self-hatred, crime, poverty, high incarceration, broken families, and open genocide.... Other than just wiping ourselves clean off the map, what else could make things worse?

I would say appearance....to a greater or lesser degree...is an important consideration on MOST jobs. People in positions of power look at your race, your sex/gender, how attractive you are, how articulate you are, etc. They may not admit as much, but it happens. As an AfroAmerican male who hasn't been considered the most attractive person in the world, trust me....I've had to put more work in to get the same consideration for certain positions that are all but FORCED on less qualified but attractive and feminine White women. Outside of having to deal with some White men who don't want you around.....sometimes you also have to deal with some women of color who don't want you around either or could care less one way or the other...lol And once I get the job, the tolerance for me messing up was often lower so I had to out perform them.

Had a pretty interesting conversation with a Hebrew Israelite brother and sister last night over some tea, coffee, and a bean pie....lol. Straight choppin' it up! After we finished and got up, there was nothing on that table but some empty porcelain cups and a foil pan without so much as a CRUMB in that mug....lol. Apparently they believe that race and racial lineage isn't determined by...or atleast isn't JUST determined by....phenotype and what color a person is but by what race their FATHER is. As it relates to us as AfroAmericans; they seem to believe in two major lines: The line of Edom (whom most of us call White folks or Caucasians) and the line of Jacob (whom most of us call AfroAmericans and Latinos). I didn't say I agreed with this, I said that this is roughly MY UNDERSTANDING of what most of them believe. I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong. So according to them, if your father is White/Edomite but your mother is Black/Jabob....then you are actually White/Edomite. Now I don't necessarily believe that, however if it is true....that also brings up a very interesting problem in our community given the 500 plus years of racial mixing. If this is true, that means the CHILD of a White father is an Edomite no matter how mixed or Black he is. And since HE is an Edomite, that means any children he produces...even with other Black people (assuming they aren't Edomites...lol) will also be Edomites, no? Again, if I'm wrong about this understanding, someone who knows the doctrine please correct me. Because if this is the case, a LARGE percentage of us as AfroAmericans and others who LOOK like Black (Jacob) people may...according to their doctrine....actually be White children of Edom. Ofcourse I personally don't believe this, but part of me wonders IF it's true.....that would really complicate things. How would a "separation" take place without Divine help? During the conversation I actually thought about YOU @Chevdove and the number of time you posted links and did threads about DNA and how the father's lineage affected the various generations and was wondering if THIS was what you were trying to explain to us and others or where your posts making different points. Obviously I'd like to hear from our sista Chev on the matter but it also might be something our brutha @frankster may be interested in since we talk about race and ethnicity so much.

ProfD Human beings volunteer to do things that make life better for others. Human beings start wars leading to death and destruction. Which is good or evil, both or neither? IMO, a personal decision that doesn't adversely affect the lives of others isn't a matter of good or evil If....not that I agree with it....but IF human beings were the ultimate authority over what is right and wrong, then WARS are both good AND evil. Good for the winner....and evil for the loser. Would I be correct in that assessment?

Although I don't agree with them, I actually have more respect for the Black Sell-outs (those who are paid to do so or given positions for doing so) who support Trump and the Republicans, than for the regular Black folks on the street who simply support him because of his rhetoric. Atleast Black Republican officials are getting TANGIBLES for their betrayal of the Black community. Which again...I DO NOT endorse.

What would be the negative consequences of simply LUSTING after her....being that it's only in one's mind? We're not talking about where it could LEAD TO. Hell, lusting after MONEY could lead you to robbing a bank if you want to go down that route...lol. But if it's JUST LUST...then it's only a mental action.

On a similar but different note..... I no longer think it's a sin to lust after another man's wife. To actually HAVE SEX with another man's wife.....perhaps...depending on the type of marriage they have; but to simply lust after her...no. Being non-religious, I look at what is considered "right" and "wrong" and "neutral" totally different than when I was a Bible believer.

Most WHITE Trump supporters aren't crazy. I think most of the Black ones are.....lol...but most of the White ones aren't. They know EXACTLY what they are doing when they support Trump and why they support him. Most of them are DECEIVED, because he's not going to carry out the agenda that they expect him to if he gets in....like he didn't last time; but they do know what they are expecting out of him. A lot of the Black people that I know who support Trump are doing so strictly for IMMIGRATION alone. They seriously believe that this dude is going to do some sort of "mass deportation" and send all of the illegal immigrants back to their own countries.....lol They SERIOUSLY believe this. I've talked to DOZENS of Black folks I know in real life who support Trump ONLY because of this and they sincerely believe that he will do this.