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ProfD Men only have to lie to women who aren't attracted to them already. Correct. ....and they will. Sex and the motivation to have sex is one of the most powerful of human urges. Some people will say or do whatever it takes to satisfy that urge. If you don't remember my dissertation about prostitution from an older thread, the bottom line is that it's legal....they call it dating and marriage It depends on what you're looking for. Some men want only ONE attractive woman to routinely have sex with and is happy having sex with that same one woman for years and years and decades. ....they were made for marriage. Others...like me...would like more variety. Even multiple wives aren't good enough for them because every time they go on a trip they see and meet beautiful women they want to have sex with...lol. But only for short term relationships, then on to the next challenge. That's why it makes sense to be straight up and honest. No confusion. It makes sense and it's correct. However as I said before, it tends to RESTRICT sexual opportunity in this society. It's like a politician who refuses to lie and is totally honest about their intentions and limitations when they take office. They may be honest...but their lying opponent will more likely win because he's telling the voters what they want to hear. Honesty works with women better if we live in a society where sex isn't demonized and condemned as "nasty". Another issue is, most men love the challenge and really don't find a woman who they can sleep with that easily....too attractive, lol. Nobody is forcing men to jump through a bunch of hoops for snatch box. Dudes are putting that stress on themselves. It really depends on the man. Some get it easy, for others it's hard to come by...and for others they don't get it at all. I know quite a few men in their 50s and 60s who have no history of any sexual activity, nor do I see women approaching them or even talking to them. Nor do they approach women. They aren't ugly or gay....not that I know if...but it just "is" what it is with them. They don't seem to attract women at all. Actually, smart men don't chase coochie. They chase money which brings a windfall of snatch. I've heard that too. The fact is, I knew a LOT of broke ass dudes who have beautiful women fighting over them. I don't know of any lonely rich dudes. I don't know a lot of rich dudes personally, but the ones I do know either are married, gay, or atleast date. But I've been TOLD of some lonely rich dudes though. White men only care about Black men screwing their women and others is to the extent that it messes up the gene pool. Man, you'd be surprised at how concerned White men are with that black penis and who's getting it...lol. I've watched many White men when I or another Black man is communicating with women. They study us EVERYTIME we interact with women be it FBA AfroAmerican, Asian, African, European, whoever. I've noticed that they ONLY time many of them don't seem to get quirky and stare in disapproval....is if we're with an average or unattractive FBA sista. It's as if to say, "Go ahead, you can have her". But when it comes to women of other races AND African women...yes...I said AFRICAN WOMEN...many White men feel that THEY are more entitled to date and kick it with them than you. When it comes to an attractive FBA sista. I don't sense the same feeling of entitlement, but more of a "hatin'" vibe of wishing they could have her. Man, you should see how White men swirl around trying to listen in on the conversations and even come and stand and stare when they see me or another Black American man talk to a Nigerian or Congolese woman. I don't care how dark she is...she could be jet Black...but they don't want YOU to have her. I don't know what goes on between them and African women behind closed doors or what they're being told before coming to this country, but CLEARLY most White men feel that they are more entitled to African women than AfroAmerican men are.

If homosexuality is natural...meaning human beings did absolutely nothing to cause it in any way and it just naturally and spontaneously occurs in all given populations; I suspect THAT would be one of Nature's forms of birth control.

Absolutely.....why do you think they want to come here? They are SIGNING UP (as frankster would say...lol) to be slaves. Just like the poor White folks don't care about poverty AS LONG AS they are a step above the average Black person and has more than they have, it's the same with many of these immigrants. They sign up to be slaves under White folks and make it crystal clear they have no problem being 2nd or even 3rd class citizens with White folks incharge....as long as it's understood that White folks like them better than they like you. A few more enlightened ones will battle with the others for more power and proximity to White folks. The smarter Latino may fight with the smarter Arab over political power and being closer to White success. The smarter Korean may fight with the smarter Pakistani over economic power and being closer to White success. ..... but they all have the same reaction to the Black man with an ashy face and some powdered white lips running up to their car with a squeegee in his hand.

frankster We have a fundamental difference of understanding of the what the verse means and implies given the corresponding verses I provide as to the situation it addresses. I understand to you The Words plainly mean what they say....fine Yes, I do. I didn't realize you had to have some sort of special "decoder" ring or read the scripture with a special pair of glasses that decodes and uncovers the "real" words that apparently are printed in invisible ink and hidden behind the plain text. The plain text says you will be taken, enslaved, and passed along from one generation to the next forever. But when you put on THESE GLASSES "Here nigger.... Put these on and read those verses again." Ok, NOW it says that you can only SIGN UP to be a slave, choose which master you want to serve, light a candle...and when the flame dies out....you're free to toss a bag over your shoulder and walk the hell off the property whenever you get ready. Do we agree that the slavery describe is much different from European style Enslavement of African??? Yes. Because even under the American system of slavery as cruel as it was, you weren't condemned be slave "forever". Damn.

You said this was around the year 2000. If you're 74 now, that would have made you around 50 years of age back then. That's old enough for an intelligent man like yourself to have KNOWN how niggaz are....lol. Like that old Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes song, "If You Don't Know Me By Now". You should have KNOWN better than to even TRY to have a serious and productive dialog with niggaz. Many of our people tend to be petty about SERIOUS subject, but far too often serious when it comes to PETTY subjects. Or as Neely Fuller Jr. puts it: "Majoring in minors, and minoring in majors." No.... What you do is find other intelligent Black folks who you KNOW are intelligent and industrious minded and have a meeting with THEM and present that idea to THEM to get something going.....while the niggaz wait outside keeping the cars warm. The only thing you should be talking to the rest of the niggaz about is making sure the restaurant and hotel reservations are set and confirmed for yall to go to after the meetings are over. MAYBE they can handle that.....lol....maybe. But no innovative technological discussions such as the one you were attempting to initiate.

I agree with you that men should be straight up and honest with women and not play games. However the problem is, many men have learned that LYING to women often brings them more success than telling the truth. If they saw an attractive woman they really wanted to have sex with, if he came up to her and honestly told her what he wanted to do she would reject him and leave him on the spot. His honesty wasn't respected but just gave her and opportunity to rule HIM out. Meanwhile Slick-daddy with the gold toof in his mouth sees YOU get dissed and also sees an opportunity for himself. So he comes over smooth talking and listening to her "baby daddy" problems and pretends to be a shoulder she can lean on and next thing you know you see him chilling in his car and just the back of her head bobbing up and down near his lap. There's a lesson to be learned. However I think prostitution should be legal and regulated for the safety of both the workers AND the clients. That would solve a lot of the sexual problems in this society. Most men just want sex without all the bullshit and psychological games many (not all) women bring. Many play the game because they HAVE TO, but if they could just drop a few bills, bust a nut, and get up and go on about their business...a good half would. Not only would the lying and deception be reduced, but I think a lot more work could get done and a lot more progress could be made in society because men wouldn't have to spend so much mental energy trying to figure out ways to get pussy and more time could be spent coming up with better technology and cures for diseases. .....the only issue with that is, that would give Black men almost an equal opportunity with White men to bang women of different races. Something that THEY don't want.

frankster We have been through this already I know, but some people are slow learners...lol. while to recognize Tangibility one must use the sense of Touch... Not necessarily. You don't have to "touch" hot coals to recognize they are tangible objects. So if I was to blindfold you....all other things being equal except for color - you would be able to tell whether is was a black skin penis or white skin penis you were touching? Absolutely! ...'cuz MY penis is black, and that's the ONLY penis I'd ever touch, lol.

What if I were to tell you that CHATTLE Slavery itself may in fact come back to some parts of the United States? And it may even be more brutal than it was the first time because the next generation would have "learned lessons" on how to gain and maintain control over their slaves as well as the technology to do so that the previous generations DIDN'T have? And what if I told you that many if not most of these immigrants they're bringing in the nation will be the primary ones responsible for it's possible return?

Before it's over with, I think they're going to try to indirectly pin Tupac's murder on him too. They'll find a way to get him all up in the mix. May even throw in Biggie's murder as well.

That's a given, however when you understand that -you play the cards you're dealt as best you can. ....or go ahead and drop out the game. (and I think you know what that means) If you're in a prison with little to no chance of getting out anytime soon, the smart thing to do is to make it as comfortable and profitable and as safe as possible. That means finding some CO's, faculty, and even other inmates that you can half-way trust and work with while not being surprised if you are double-crossed from time to time. As shitty as your options may seem.....it's better than hanging from your bunk while back at home your graduation picture is being surrounded by candles.

Man you were WRONG for that one.....lol. BTW...guess how many ZEROS are in $50 million. I guess it's NOT all about the Benjamins. All of this came after Puffy sued a mega-billion dollar liquor company (Diageo) over racism and won. It's also said that during these freak-off parties you had a lot of celebrities who were caught on video and they knew he could use those videos to black-mail them, so this was probably a coordinated effort by MANY people to go after him. At any rate....... Puffy, Cosby, even OJ....are lessons ALL Black folks need to learn not just in the United States but around the world. When it comes to racism, White folks don't care how much money you have...if they want to come after you they'll find a way. From an Earthly perspective, what we need is POWER. PHYSICAL POWER. But that would mean we have to have the intelligence and technology and organization to produce it....and that's an issue with OUR people. The second best thing.....based on my limited understanding of this world and how it works so far....would be to make alliances with powerful White organizations who CAN and WILL protect us from other racists. This actually works to a certain extent. Back in my community organizing days, I was told by knowledgeable bruthaz that if you want to get something done with White people...find the Jews and ask them for help. Why? Because they usually control the OTHER White folks in power....lol. And it worked almost all of the times that I've tried it. He's right there in New York, thousands of people of influence he could have been contacting to keep himself and his organization protected. I'm not sure what Puff did or should have done, but instead of wasting time "SWIMMING in women with their own condominiums" what the nigga SHOULD have been doing was FLYING to Israel every other year meeting with people and rubbing elbows with global influence. But in reality, I'm not just talking about Jews but this goes for MOST powerful White people/organization. Find some who are willing to work with you and see if you can work something out with them.

Or better yet..... Instead of constantly running from one plantation to another plantation and fleeing one cruel white "massa" only to end up under the whip of another; we should form OUR OWN political party and push OUR agenda. With all of this talk and bashing of the Democrat Party....and they deserve it.....when I look over at the Republican Party I don't see Black folks running shit except their mouths. What power do Black folks have in the Republican Party? Niggaz aren't even allowed to decide what foods and refreshments to serve at MAGA rallies and conventions. They have NO power. Just stand there grinning and clapping and hope nobody asks them to leave.

Lol....but I guess Mr. Trump doesn't???? You negro conservatives are a trip. You parrot all the foolishness White Conservatives babble, without even taking the time to think about the logic behind it and see if it even makes sense. It's like how Conservative politicians love to talk about how "government" is the enemy and they want less government but THEY are running for office and want to be PART of the government (thus expanding it). But you negroes don't even take time to question such illogical thinking. Instead, you parrot it. But to answer your obviously rhetorical question..... NO. Black Americans' political ignorance will not erase "it" from the future. We're here, and we're STAYING here...in one form or another and by one NAME or another. Kind of like how...despite the genocide...many Native Americans are still here but under different names and labels like the name "Mexican" or "Latino" or even "Spanish". However not just the POLITICAL ignorance but the GENERAL ignorance of AfroAmericans as a group does indeed pose a real problem for the IMMEDIATE future of some of our people and we should be focused on improving ourselves and gaining more knowledge politically, scientifically, socially, Spiritually, and otherwise.

What did you expect to happen?

ProfD First of all, it's part of human nature. I don't think it's about discipline anymore than a person should discipline themselves to not eat or drink or use the bathroom. You can LIMIT and TRAIN yourself to do these things at certain times of the day, but you still MUST do them. It's the same with sex for many if not most people. It's a powerful urge that must be acted upon at some point. Another thing that I didn't mention is from what I heard, much of the time it's not up to the women. In many of these countries, the men feel it's their right to DEMAND sex from "their" women (wife or girlfriend or mistress) anytime they want. Even if SHE doesn't want to, he in a way forces her to do it and it's ingrained in the culture. The poorest people seem to procreate more than those who are well off. That's because they usually have more TIME on their hands to do so than a wealthy person or person TRYING to become wealthy busy with work and school. Also, fucking is usually FREE so it's often the entertainment of choice for those who are healthy but have no money.

ProfD It's really most of time. Men coud save themselves a whole lot of time and money by accepting that reality sooner than later in life. I think most men DO realize that about themselves. However they've been conditioned and socially engineered to suppress this admission and pretend otherwise. Like we talked about in the other thread, most men in Western society have been conditioned to believe that "lust" is not only wrong but a "deadly" sin. So they either fight the feeling or suppress it. Nah. It doesn't sound nasty once you understand African cuisine. I was so used to catfish almost always being fried, until she brought me some of that soup. It was delicious, but it took me a minute to decide if I wanted to try it or not. The main thing is that FBAs cannot afford to put on the cape for other folks. We need to be ten toes down standing on our business As a community, we as FBA need to codify; however as an individual, I can't wait on that. Niggaz been talking about uniting and "getting together" since I was a little boy and before then...lol. For the past 12 years or so I've been making deals with other Black folks from different countries whether at we're at work, on the block, and in other environments. If you're a Nigerian man and you can fix my computer...I'll get with you. If you're a woman from Chad and want to give me "some" for giving you a ride to work all this week...I'll get with you, lol. If you're a woman from Ethiopia and own a coffee shop and give me free coffee from time to time...I'll get with you. On an individual level, you do what you need to do to further your success.

Whether it's really a sin or not, I don't know. Most people hope they don't experience something so terrible that they are faced with having to make that decision, however it's not wise to judge people who do that unless you've either experienced or closely observed and understood the situation they're dealing with. Like you said, a lot of it is mental health issues....but then again you have people who've seen and experienced things where the pain is so great they don't see a need to continue on. I was watching a news video the other day of a 14 year old boy who's ENTIRE FAMILY....mother, father, and older sister...were instantly killed in a car crash in Texas. Imagine the pain that boy will have to go through for years if not the rest of his life trying to deal with something like that.

Excellent question! However you have to....like I had to...understand the MENTALITY of a lot of these women and the cultural background many of them come from. I used to ask a lot of African and Latina women the same thing, why they sit up and have babies with these men who barely take care of them in the midst of poverty and violence. Really, they could ask Black American and LATINA American women the same thing.....why do YALL keep sleeping with men who keep you broke and poor and abuse you and give you baby after baby? But some of the reasons for these women in other countries are......... 1. They have no choice. Growing up as girls and young women, the ONLY men they had access too were the men in their village or community so it was either Peter or Paul. The urge to have sex is powerful and if there are no other men in your community, you sleep with who you got or just do without. 2. The vast majority of women outside of the Western world DO NOT believe in birth control. Whether they are Muslim or Catholic....they believe that if they get pregnant, they are SUPPOSED to have that baby. If you ask them why some babies are miscarried or die at birth or early in their infancy, they'll rationalize that out as something else. So they don't believe in abortion and most of them don't believe in using condoms or have access to them. A nice thing I notice is that among most African women....they can have a lot of babies (7 or 9) and their bodies seem to bounce back VERY quick to it's previous shape with little or no stretch marks. And another thing.... Despite my joking around, so far I've only had sex with a handful of African women...I'm talking since being a teenager...and all of them have had multiple children. I can say that atleast THOSE women I've been with had coochies that were still much tighter than the American women I've been with who had only 2 or 3. I'm not going to say that their culture "balances" itself out...but I will say that despite their seemingly illogical behavior and choices...just like in America you have pros and cons to the men in your community.

frankster Which it is not....no slave catchers no slaves traders no slaves market and no victims of kidnap forced into slavery. Leviticus 25 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you ...except for cases involving the spoils of war nearly all enslavement is voluntary meaning the enslave wanted and agreed to it without physical coercion. Joshua 9 22 And Joshua called for them, and he spake unto them, saying, Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying, We are very far from you; when ye dwell among us? 23 Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being bondmen Every 7 or 50 yrs Manumission Enfranchisement - Set free Leviticus 25 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever Those who do not want to be passed down forever -HAVE NO CHOICE AND WILL BE ANYWAY BECAUSE Leviticus 25 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever Even the very scriptures you BELIEVE IN, are bearing witness against you....lol.

Like Neely Fuller Jr. said... All over the world you have women of color on boats and rafts with babies in their arms, floating across great bodies of water trying to get away from "their men" and the foolish behavior of "their men"...with one thing on their minds: "Which way did the White people go?" "I KNOW it's some White folks somewhere around here. If we keep sailing...we'll run into them and THEY will feed us and maybe even take us back home, give us jobs, a place to stay, and some money. Where they at???"

Like I mentioned before, the White men of the North were LOSING the war on a regular basis until they started training and implementing Black troops. White folks were having draft riots and even switching sides until WE got in the fight and started whooping Rebel ass...lol.

I'm seeing a LOT of young bruthaz out on the road driving trucks now. Every time you look up, you see some skinny brutha (why are so many young Black men skinny again????) with dreadlocks with his head stuck out the window of a rig, trying to back it up to a dock, gas station, or liquor store....lol

ProdD Time isn't the enemy. Mental and/or physical pain usually leads one to making that decision. Often times it is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Facts. However my point was to show that just because a person is near death, doesn't necessarily mean they want more time. Perhaps as human beings we should be grateful that we were given the ABILITY to take our own lives. Animals can't make that conscious decision no matter how much suffering they're going through. They can kill themselves, but it's almost always an accident. Sure. Knowledge and proper application could lead to success providing that it doesn't waste too much...time. I'm of the belief that almost ANYTHING and almost EVERYTHING is possible. All you need is the proper KNOWLEDGE on how to make it happen. If you have the proper knowledge, you don't need the amount of time the next man may need. I often lament getting older. However there are certain things I can do now in 10 days, that when I was 20 or 30 would take me several MONTHS to do...if I could get it done at all. Well, I've know quite a few folks who've lived for a long time and don't have much in terms of money or accomplishment to show for it. Yet, they always seem to be the happiest folks on the planet. Grinning and smiling all the time. I know some too. Rick James said COCAINE is a hell of a drug, lol. It's usually old and bitter folks who say that after they've burned up a whole lot time doing dumb sh8t and don't have much to show for it. Oh no, not necessarily. Actually the couple people I heard that from were well to do retirees who were vacationing! That Baby Boomer Generation who enjoyed many of the early benefits of the Civil Rights Movement and Quotas and Affirmative Action when it was focused mainly on Black folks. Let's see if Elon Musk can increase his fortune 4-fold before times up. Elon can do what he wants to do, as long as he stays out of politics. I don't like how him and Trump keep hooking up devising shit together. Andrew Carnegie's net worth adjusted for inflation would be near $372 billion today. Only $153 billion more than Musk. Theb richest person to have ever lived is 14th century African emperor Mansa Musa who had a net worth the equivalent of $400 billion. Ahem..... Like I said, we didn't have any BILLIONAIRES 100 years ago, lol.

ProfD As it pertains to tangible benefits, those other Black and Brown women don't have any gold, diamonds, land or resources to offer. The most you're going to get out of that business arrangement is some snatch box, Jollof, Peanut Butter Soup, bush-meat and ashy heels Sometimes, as a man...all you WANT is the snatch box anyway...lol. I know a sista from Nigeria who used to make "Catfish Pepper Soup". It probably sounds nasty, but it tasted good. Here is Neely Fuller Jr.'s take on the Haitian people........

frankster And what part of... "ye shall BUY them and OWN them and they shall be your SLAVES and your children's slaves FOR EVER" ... is difficult to understand? You tell us.... What's the CORRECT understanding of this scripture?