Pioneer1

frankster Vitamin and minerals are nutrients that are not natural to you as a right....but must be gotten from the food you eat But the benefit is in the HEALTH that it maintains. If you don't need those vitamins or minerals, there is no benefit in taking them. You said: "Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours." Just like taking vitamins and minerals to restore you HEALTH is beneficial, Affirmative Action to repair, restitute, restore, and compensate for wrongs and RIGHT them, is beneficial also. There is and that is not proof that he did so It is absolute proof he did so. If he didn't agree to it, he wouldn't have passed those exams to get his degrees. It is an Homosexual act.... I agree that it IS a homosexual act, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a homosexual infact.

The Diddy trial, just like the R. Kelly and other Black celebrities who've have criminal charges leveled against them for having sex and especially having the entire ordeal played out infront of a world wide audience.....is just part of a greater scheme. It's basically part of the centuries old racist routine of trying to portray Black men as sexual deviants or beasts whom women should be afraid of instead of finding attractive. The racists know that Black men are THEE most masculine men on the planet...hands down. Nobody else can compete. By NATURE....the most masculine men are the most attractive just as the most feminine women are attractive, it's biological. In an integrated society such as this where various races of men and women are routinely and freely coming into contact with eachother, the racists know that most women WILL choose the most masculine men to mate with....usually Black men. So in order to try and intercept this and prevent their racial "extinction" they try to scare as many White women as they can AWAY from Black men. It doesn't work most of the time, obviously.....but as far as the racists are concerned....any little bit helps.

frankster They are not real and do not exist in the sense that they are non/not physical in and of themselves. But not being physical doesn't equate to something not being real. Social Constructs are agreed upon and used to foster a way of living as a society... Yes. That doesn't mean they aren't real. They only exist within societies....without which they dissipate Ok, and???? Marriage is an agreement between two parties before a third group(family pastor government and friends) ...a SOCIAL/LEGAL CONSTRUCT. Religion is a construct of world view (mindset)imposed.....and is seen to be different from place tp place and time to time ...constructed by SOCIETY (social construct). Troy For the life of me, I cannot understand why this simple concept is completely lost on @Pioneer1. It does not matter how many different ways it is explained -- it make no difference. It makes no difference because no matter how many different ways yall say it it makes no SENSE, lol. Claiming something "doesn't exist" because it's not physical is borderline retarded. Since "wonder" isn't physical, that means "wonder" doesn't exist???? As a former educator, I'm curious to learn what it will take to help him understand this. However, I may need to just accept that some people are incorrigible when it comes to some subjects. As a former educator, you should be more focused on frankster's jacked up grammar than my position on race...lol. ProfD The real question is how much more time are you all going to spend trying to get him to see the subject differently. See it DIFFERENTLY is an excellent way to put it; because they obviously can't prove me "wrong"....and it's frustrating them. -They claim race doesn't exist....I prove to them it does. -They claim it's merely a social construct....I say so is marriage and religion, so what??? -They say it's not scientific...I provide scientific and medical journals clearly expressing race and racial differences in medicine and scientific circles. They would love it if I said 3 + 4 = 5 ....something you can EASILY prove wrong. But when it comes to calling people "wrong" simply because they don't see things from YOUR PERSPECTIVE, that's much much harder...almost impossible to prove. In earnest, I could call THEIR position of there being only "one race" just a silly and asinine product of denial and wishful thinking....lol....but I won't because I respect the right of other victims of racism to believe as they wish if that helps them cope with racism. Neely Fuller Jr. called it VGQ (Victim's Guaranteed Qualification). Since they too are victims of racism and confusion and don't know how to end it and must cope with it the best way they can....if DENIAL is the only way they can cope with it, they have that right.

frankster However there is still a difference between KNOWLEDGE and TEACHINGS. There are a lot of "teachings" out there. And most of them contain SOME knowledge, but many of them are saturated with falsehood. The wise learn how properly DISCERNE the information they get for the truth.

frankster Race as a soial construct is not based in biology but politics and social behavior If it's based on PHSYICAL FEATURES then it IS based on biology. Troy Many of your conclusions are based upon falsehoods. So PROVE one to be false then. And I don't mean giving your OPINION, but actual DATA that proves my conclusions wrong. But you say Homer was white. Does this point out how silly and racist the notion of race is? No, it just exposes how people see and categorize race differently. This is wrong too. To someone who is fixed on race they bring race into everything the caste system had nothing to do with one skin color at least not until european racists got involved. See, now you're just being combative...lol. What I said was absolutely true and all you have to do is RESEARCH it. Varna in ancient Sanskrit means "color" and again, the ancient system was based on SKIN COLOR. The reason there is no genetic test for race is because it is impossible to create one. Do you understand why this is true? Why do you need a "genetic test" if you're categorizing people based on APPEARANCE? This is phenotypical....not necessarily genetic.

frankster Environment Diet Geography Culture and Behavior influences and informs gene expression - epigenetics While this is true, it does NOT mean that we all have the same genes. Those epigenetic factors result in gene plasticity.....The same gene expressing differently Again, this is true but people STILL have different actual genes regardless as to how they are expressed. People share the same genes....the genes are expressed differently Again, SOME are shared...some are not. If what you saying were true.....everybody living in....say....ALABAMA...growing up in the same environment and eating the same foods would LOOK the same. There wouldn't be any differences in skin color, hair texture, facial features, etc....... Same environment eating the same foods, so there shouldn't be much if any difference.

frankster "Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health?" Yes..... Why? When you take vitamins and minerals all you're doing is RESTORING your health to where it SHOULD be, which is good. According to YOUR logic, there is no profit or GAIN...you simply restored the health that was yours to begin with. You implied it... I said that him earning a degree is evidence that he compromised himself and submitted himself to accept the idea of race and even put up with racism in order to secure an education and degree IN a racist system. Yes....if they actually kissed. So even in ACTING...it is your belief that if a man kisses another man sexually, that denotes that he is a homosexual?

ProfD Correct. Strategic alliances are far more beneficial and productive. Exactly. We are WE getting out of the relationship? We don't need more competition here in America; so if more people are coming...we need to make sure they have something to offer US (AfroAmericans) when they get here. As soon as FBA/ADOS have it on and popping, generating products, goods and services for consumption, other groups of people will want to do business with us and make money too. Sure. It's easier to buy, sell and trade when one produces things of value to others This is true also. I witnessed it first hand growing up and seeing how SUCCESSFUL Black businesses often attracted a variety of people from all racial and cultural backgrounds. If they produced quality products and ensured the goods/services were issued in a timely manner, it was if race wasn't even an issue for their customers. Infact, I've even witnessed SOME non-Black people....not a too many...but some...actually go out of their way TO patronize Black businesses if they found one that was very successful with great service/produce. It was as if they were so amazed at Black people being so on-point that they had to keep coming back and checking them out.

Some have argued that since the concept of race and racial categories are social constructs, they somehow aren't real...and some even argue that they "don't exist". From a secular perspective, both Marriage and Religion are social constructs. Should we apply the same standard to them, and argue that they "don't really exist" either?

frankster All human differences are a long a line of gradations from the source or original....No two human beings are exactly the same. All humans have skin and hair No two people share the same skin or hair Correct, so how can "all" people share the same genes? We share in the same genes....but we do not express those genes to the same extent. People share SOME genes and SOME are different. Nobody shares the same genes except twins. And even THEY are different if they LOOK different. Troy It has already been established that the is more genetic diversity within a so-called race that between them. Yes. Especially depending on how race is defined. You do this all the time. When have I said I "didn't like" somebody's skin color???? Recently you said Homer Plessey wasn't Black. He's not, as far as I'M concerned. You also said Walter White wasn't Black. He says he was Black and he ran the NAACP for 2 decades. A man can SAY he's a "woman" and open a women's club....that still doesn't make him one. This is why racism is so stupid for it has no basis in science -- it is purely arbitrary. Racism may be evil and wicked, but it's not stupid. Entire nations, kingdoms, and civilizations were built off of it. Nobility practices it around the globe. Are there standard for all of these? Do you need all od the characteristics, some of them or just one? Again, depends on the society and what they agree on. As frankster and you constantly point out...it's a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. So whatever society decides to STRUCTURE racial categories as, those are the features they will revolve around. Supposed you are a dark-skinned person with a narrow nose, straight hair, and rounds eyes are these people Black? If society decides to include them in the Black category...yes. The United States does. But another society may call those same people "White" or "Caucasian" like they do the Ethiopians or South Indians with those very same features. the whole idea of a “hate” crime never made sense to me. It's a type of "over kill" promoted by social justice activists to try and ensure that proper justice is served to those who commit crimes based on hatred of a "protected" group. Kind of like how the cops who were found not guilty for the beating of Rodney King were later charged by the Federal government for violating his civil rights. I don't think there were "hate crime" charges available at that time but being charged with violating a person's civil rights was "back up plan" the Federal prosecutors could use to go after somebody they knew were guilty as sin but for some reason "got off". Civil rights leaders hoped that by adding these extra layers of laws to the charge...it would prevent racists from getting off scott free on technicalities or being found not guilty by racist jurors.

I think the ADOS and now the more refined FBA movement is headed in the right direction and will make our identity stronger and better. I think colorism COULD be an issue in some pro-FBA circles. Featurism seems to be. A common insult is calling someone African or non-FBA because of their hairline...lol. Other than that..... I see a resurgence of Black Americans taking pride in themselves and our culture thanks to the efforts of Tariq Nasheed, Phil Scott, and others. As far as not having friends among other groups...... I look at it as less about friendship and more of an alliance. If we prove to these other groups that we have something of benefit to offer them, I think they will come running to us offering friendship and alliance politically and socially. And ofcourse we can get what we need and want from them as we see fit.

You're expecting a man who can "step" right....but I DIVE into women, lol. They say I dive into them deeper than a Chicago DEEP DISH. And I'm more filling....lol.

That was straight up cryptic....lol. The realest shit I've read from you in a while HB!

If you're the vessel it's coming through....it probably will be, lol.

You may be missing the distinction between "information" and "knowledge". Whether someone is being TAUGHT by someone else; or is studying a particular type of "teachings" or philosophy on their own....it's irrelevant if the information is false.

frankster No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours. Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health? A degree in What?????... the question remains unanswered. Well, I know of atleast ONE question that has been answered. Whether or not he has a Doctor's Degree: The answer is YES Dr Clarke Having a degree is no evidence of him accepting race as a reality Who said it was? Yes it does So since Sean Penn kissed (and does more than that actually) a man in the movie "Milk" about a gay politician; that means Sean Penn is a homosexual?

I offer old ladies a down payment on their HIP REPLACEMENT if they catch feelings and try to get down with the Bed-Rocker-Anytime-Knocker...LOL.

That's WHY I give Sly props for looking him in the eye at close range and unblinkingly saying what he said. He knew he was a talented trained fighter and could have mopped that stage up with all of them men combined, but Sly stood his ground and said what he wanted....to everybody. High or not, that took heart.

Troy OK so how do you explain the concept of "passing" in our society. It's easily explained. They get a pass from some and not from others. Passing isn't an official government designation, it's a "social construct" for real. Unlike traditional racial categories, it's not even recognized by social scientists. Passing wouldn't be a thing if all you had to do is look at someone to determine their race. Depending on how race in a society is defined, how they look may be all that QUALIFIES them to be a member of a particular race. In ancient India, race was strictly divided BY color...literally. The Caste system is called the "Varna" or "color" system. I'm glad you've finally admitted that there is no genetic basic for race. When did I? frankster It is false because it is not grounded or derived from anything physical or biological. If race is grounded in color or other physical features, then it IS derived from that which is physical and biological. I can sit here and think and share with others the idea that @Pioneer1 is a fool some may agree with me.....would you agree or disagree that that idea is true or false? Only a REAL FOOL would attempt to answer that one, lol. Yes it can seem that way stick with it we will unravel it. It appears a little TOO "sticky" for a brutha to get near it. How about I stand back and let YOU unravel that ball of yarn...lol. Yes ......Two types of Melanin You tell me the differences? My explanation is irrelevant. What IS relevant is that there are two different types of melanin which means the same genes are NOT responsible for all skin colors. Right?

I'm so proud of that era. ....especially when I look at Black people from other parts of the world like Africans, who DID NOT have "Black Pride" or "Black Power" movement. Many of them are still stuck in colorism and self-hatred. I remember back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s when colorism was almost non-existent in the AfroAmerican community. If it's creeping back up again, it's not from us....but from OTHER people of color who are bringing it here and it an applying it to many in our community.

Me too. I remember the first time I saw it years ago I liked the exchange between the two because it reminded me so much of what I saw in barbershops growing up. I was reading the comments in Youtube under the video and on here waiting on someone to BRING UP how Sly told Ali to get his hands out of his face. And he looked serious and unblinking when he did it....lol. Straight up "g" move.....lol. I have to give Sly props just for that alone. ....although by his eyes he looked like he was high and "stoned" for real, during the show.

Troy You boycott ALL Dollar Trees or just that ONE store?

LOL.... What about that White woman in the Dollar Tree who gave you and your friend drama over not having ID to buy some wine? Is SHE a "sista", now???

You shouldn't. They should be allowed to make their own choice without the added psychological burden of being made to feel guilty over that choice. But in the vast majority of cases, the survival instinct remains the strongest instinct in human beings.

Troy Can’t explain why there’s no DNA test for race can you? You won’t even entertain the question…. Why? ....when race isn't DEFINED by DNA tests or any other biological test???? Did you read the DEFINITION of the word "race", posted in the other thread? If not, here it is: It says nothing about "DNA tests" being needed to figure out somebody's race...lol. All you have to do is LOOK at them (their physical characteristics) to determine their category based on HOW a society chooses to categorize them. Is it because you don’t like the conclusion that it forces you to draw YOU'RE forcing me to draw the conclusion that all of the definitions, links, and proof of race and racial differences that I provide for you....are going to be ignored by you because your DIAL is stuck on the same channel/station, lol.