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I kind of figured you may have been posting information about them, but probably in another thread. However the set-up for that joke was so perfect; with the 9 year gap between posts and all.....lol.

In a recent dialog with the good ProfD, we went back and forth over the differences in our "realities". I maintained that what he was speaking of wasn't a different reality but actually a different perspective of the SAME Reality. I had another disagreement with a brother at work over the same concept today which made me think of this again. Actually, it was ongoing because whenever we'd disagree over something he'd say that wasn't HIS "Reality" and then we'd start going back and forth over Realities....lol. If I said something he thought was outrageous or ridiculous, he'll usually say "Only in YOUR Reality"...lol. I'd constantly remind him that since we're dialoging, we're both in the SAME Reality. Then he'd insist that when he leaves work we'll be two DIFFERENT Realities. What he really means is "environment" but he insists on using the term "reality". I often forget that MY definition of "Reality" is usually different from that of most people's because of my belief in the Multiverse and in multiple Realities. So let me try to clarify.......... When I say "Reality", I'm talking about the ENTIRE OBSERVABLE Universe that we all are in and are experiencing collectively as humans interacting with eachother. I'm not talking about EXPERIENCES: what you go through IN this Reality I'm not talking about Perspective: what you observe, hear, the conclusions you come to about different things IN this Reality When I say "Reality" I'm speaking of the actual physical environment that is NOT limited to just Earth or this planet but the entire Universe and possibly beyond. California, the Moon, Venus, a grass hopper in Brazil....are all part of THIS Reality. Different places INSIDE the SAME Reality Do you understand? For example..... If I say most of the people of St.Louis are mean....while you say most people in it are nice. That doesn't mean we are in two different Realities. It means we have different PERSPECTIVES and different EXPERIENCES in that SAME Reality. If we were in different Realities....you may not even HAVE a city called St.Louis or even a country called the United States in YOUR Reality.

@Troy Man... You said your were going to be REGULARLY sharing information about this organization -and didn't post anything else about them for 9 1/2 years??? I hope they didn't pay you to promote them....lol

ProfD People should treat each other as they want to be treated. Some say you should treat people the way YOU want to be treated. Others say you should treat people the way THEY want to be treated. I say treat them like they NEED to be treated....lol. I wouldn't want a person pulling out a baseball bat and shouting at me to "get out" of their house. ....and they don't need to. When a friend starts yawning and says they gotta get up for work in the morning, I have sense enough to know that's my signal to leave....lol. Some folks ain't got no sense and they NEED a different "treatment" than someone with common sense...lol

Just like they could make MUCH more money curing these diseases and keeping the human population strong and healthy to be more productive..... I believe that if they spent the money to INVEST in building proper mass evacuation infrastructure it would not only SAVE more lives but it would actually make MORE JOBS for the engineers, construction workers, and local businesses that would cater to those train/bus lines. When it comes to the White Racists, I'm beginning to think it's really not about money. It's about control and mistreatment. I've said many times that a lot of poor White racists CHOSE to give up the factory jobs and let them go overseas rather than continue to see Black men come up North, take them, and buy houses and cars bigger than theirs. They didn't care about the money. It was about the control and making sure they were "above" the Black men they were competing with.

Check out this Nightline segment from about 14 years ago pretty much OPENLY calling for Black women to seek sexual relationships with White men:

Interesting observations. I'm not sure how I missed this post! I've been saying for a long time that decent intelligent AfroAmericans need to separate ourselves...literally...from the thugghis and ratchet degenerate elements in our community. It's the INTELLIGENT thing to do. This is America and people have the right to be ratchet and degenerate if they want to. You can't scold them or tell them not to no matter how much harm they're doing to the IMAGE or ETHIC of the community. The only time they can be stopped is if they do something harmful or illegal, but as far as just being trashing and degenerate and disgracing the image of AfroAmericans....that's legal and will be allowed by law. For the most part we don't make the laws to make their behavior illegal NOR do we own jails to put them in, so one of the best options...if we don't want to live around people like that OR put up with the racism from Whites and other groups...is to separate and form our own communities; like the Jews do. Have laws, rules, and guidelines for living INSIDE those private communities and if they aren't respected then you're put out. As simple as that.

Chev I like that video. But in my opinion the Black man should have had the WHITE/LIGHT WOMAN play the role he played and he should have played hers. It would have hit differently. But unfortunately, most Black Americans receive money through governmental welfare programs which are strictly maintained and keeps us extremely oppressed. If Black men maintain relationships with their mothers or Black women, they will feel it in the pocket, but if they try to break away, they run the risk still of being pursued by the government. That is my opinion. This is one of the reasons the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad strongly encouraged his followers to get off the government "dole" and start our own businesses and work for ourselves instead of relying on White folks to support us directly or indirectly. If more Black men and women were independent and making our own money instead of relying on a government we have little control over for their housing and food, they wouldn't have been able to use that as a tool to break up the Black family the way they did and are still doing. Ah yes! The Bourgeoisie class. Well..... It goes back to the discussion I was having with ProfD the other day about House Slave vs Field Slave. It's best NOT to be a slave AT ALL. But in MY OPINION....if you're going to be one, might as well be a House Slave. Atleast you'll be more comfortable with more options. Same with the Bourgeoisie class. We can call them "sell outs" all we want but atleast they're living comfortably in a racist and hostile environment. That's an achievement right there. It's better to be in THAT class than to be that ashy nigga in the dirty white unlaced tennis shoes who walks around downtown with an empty gas can begging for "gas" money.

To be clear..... Not all on the SAME DAY, I hope....lol.

ProfD Every generation complains about those coming up behind them. Yes, but some complaints are more legitimate than others. I think the criticisms of the 80s (Crack Era) Babies generation is well deserved, lol. It's interesting that folks of an older generation spend the majority of their time f8cking off. Then, they get old and want to start complaining about younger folks doing the same dumb sh8t. But they're not, that's the issue. The older Baby Boomer generation for the most part not only help usher in the Civil Rights for AfroAmericans that we now enjoy but that generation and definitely the generations of AfroAmericans before it actually WORKED and STARTED BUSINESSES that provided a more economically independent and stable community than we have today. Agreed. That look is disgusting. I blame the Black men who are too weak and afraid to call it out. Well..... You can it whatever you like but when I see them dressed like that I don't say shit to them...lol. Except maybe, "Excuse me, can I get by? Thanks young man." ....and go on about my business, before I end up in somebody's Youtube video...lol. Black men need to keep it a buck and tell the youngin's what's up. But the youngin's need to be willing to LISTEN and HEED the advice given to them. Some of these crazy ass niggaz...you can't talk to. The only thing they understand is EXPERIENCE and CONSEQUENCES. You're trying to talk sense to him and he's sitting down with a tray in his lap with a razor blade, a cigar, and some fake weed crumbled up all over it -rolling blunts and licking them with some purple lips while grinning at you. You can't do anything with that fool. ...besides...maybe....nod at him and smile as you walk pass to keep the peace until you can find a way to get him OUT of your community. FOR GOOOOOOOOD! Laydee Gaga I did notice that these people asians, latinos, indians etc did not mess with each other even on a friendship level. If you ever see a diverse friend group, usually a white person or a black person is anchoring everyone. You wouldnt see a korean, mexican and an indian hanging out together unless their white friend was there or their black friend was there. Thats what I meant by anchor. I see this with little children as well. We share the same observations. I've said it before that most of these other groups don't associate with eachother outside of work. And usually it's at a job White folks own or run where everyone by law is FORCED to be hired and work together. But in their individual businesses..they almost never hire or work around other races of color except for maybe hiring illegals for cheap labor. I've seen both East Asian and East Indian business owners do that. Now how long would America....as we know it...last with THAT type of "stay to your own" mentality? This place would look just like the countries they ran away from, with different factions and groups fighting with eachother. Also as you said, it's usually a Black American or White ANCHOR that keeps the multi-racial unit glued together. These non-FBA people of color are trying to fit in with "America" and in order to do that and learn the style and flow they need traditional "Americans" to do that....which are usually Black or White people. Speaking of diverse group...... What I've seen routinely is if there is a diverse group of women of say...Black, White, Asian/Latina/East Indian mix or college girls. They'll party together and have a good time among themselves. Now, if a WHITE MAN comes among them to party and dance and hang out...still a lot of smiles and giggles and a good time. But if a BLACK MAN comes among them, the Black and White women will often dance and flirt and laugh but like clockwork you'll see the Asian/Latina/East Indian women stop smiling as much and start looking around or looking more at their cell phones. The mood changes with them. If a DOG or STRAY DEER wandered up on the dance floor, you'd see a warmer welcome from them than they'd give that brutha..lol.

ProfD Wow...lol...haven't heard THAT part of most African families before. I know many of them practice open polygamy and others do it discreetly. Asking that question would have made you look like an old azz man in the club. Atleast the old ass man in the club actually wants some TRIM. A lot of these younger dudes are AFRAID to approach women and only go there to smoke weed and fight. I bet if he asked them...most of them would have giggled and laughed but 1 out of 3 probably WOULD have danced with him....just because. Chev I don't know if it's 'inherently' but I do believe that we have more flavor than any other group on the planet! They copy us! Really, our "flavor" and various styles come from us constantly trying to change it BECAUSE other groups copy it. Our music, our dress, our dances....most of them are a reflection of an attempt of trying to stand out and be different. That's what makes them cool. As soon as White folks learn the "handshake"....it ain't cool anymore and we have to change it up..LOL. Troy Black dysfunction riles pioneer up, so it makes sense that he would be shown much more black dysfunction than white dysfunction Exactly. White dysfunction doesn't bother me...Black dysfunction does. Just like the war in the Ukraine doesn't bother me, but the conflicts in the Congo and Sudan do. A buddy, I was with and I pondered whether the girls which try to attract the attention of the brothers present. He thought they were. I didn’t. I don't think most of them were either. Probably girls' night out. Women often do that shit just to see how much power they have TO attract men, not that they actually are trying to get with one. But let a White or any non-Black man walk into the room watch how they would have started freaking all over HIM in a hot and sensual way. ....talking about they were just "playing around".

Laydee Gaga I have known for decades WM were sleeping with BW. Me too, however I believe they were sleeping with them for different reasons than they are now. Back in the day right up to the 90s...women of color including Black women were having sex with White men almost strictly for money, to keep their jobs, for help with some sort of social service, to stay out of jail, etc. They did it for some sort of benefit but rarely out of love or sexual pleasure. TODAY it APPEARS (based on my limited research and observations) that most of the relationships between White men and women of color is based not JUST on tangible benefits but also genuine attraction. That's what's I find so interesting. It appears that a lot of Black women today GENUINELY find the average White man attractive and even love him. If this is not the case, they're putting up a good front. Whats the AGE of these WM you are seeing with BW? Im curious Most of them are younger. From their teens right up to their early 40s. And most of the ones I'm seeing today are between middle and working class people. I don't see a lot of poor White men with poor Black women. When I see Black women with White men, most of them look like typical working class people so the men don't look terribly rich.

Well this happens EVERY YEAR. It's not like they were caught off guard or hurricanes happen once every 50 or 100 years. EVERY YEAR you have hurricane season where atleast a half dozen major hurricanes hit some place in that Gulf region from Texas to the Carolinas. The federal government along with the states should have BEEN had a contingency plan to mass evacuate people from any part of that region they have reason to believe will be devastated by an imminent hurricane. Rail lines should be built along with high speed trains. Thousands of busses should be on the ready. Sites for immediate housing should be set up with food and medical supplies. There is absolutely no reason why the wealthiest nation on the planet shouldn't be totally prepared for these type of disasters. ....except if the operation is being ran by White racists and they are engaging in a tactic called: ENVIRONMENTAL ERROR FACTORS In that case, expect for any system they put in place to fail the people because it will be DESIGNED to fail on purpose.

ProfD Right. I have not had those encounters. You rarely find someone over 40 who has never had a Spiritual encounter with a deceased relative. They may not ACCEPT it as such and just dismiss the experience as part of their imagination or something else....but they DO experience it. Have you atleast had vivid dreams about loved ones who've passed away? As an agnostic, I personally don't believe any of it. Again, I wrote *supposedly* based on what others choose to believe. I don't subscribe to it. Since that's the case; when it comes to judging human behavior or the lack there of....you really should be more aligned with MY position which is questioning societal standards of good/bad...lol. Chev I guess the difference may be that Black people have a built in form of distrust. Perhaps that and..... Quite frankly, a lot of Black folks are ENJOYING their lives under White rule and wouldn't want to end their "good thing" by getting into violent confrontations with them. Especially when THEY don't see much of a chance of winning. Something as simple as eating a pizza and watching a video game while smoking that fake weed...lol. These are "luxuries" many young Black men ENJOY and wouldn't give up just to wage some undefined "war" against their "oppressors". They don't want freedom, they just want an easier life and for their oppressor to be less brutal to them. They don't want to BE the police...they just want the police to be less brutal towards them.. This is why so many would rather PROTEST the local police department instead of JOINING it.

ProfD Trust me, I've known a lot of African dudes who are married and many of them actually cheat on their wives so I know they don't have the best of family values. However compared to US....as AfroAmericans...it's better. BTW....AfroAmericans didn't invent skinny jeans, lol. That shit came from White boys skate boarding.

ProfD The elders among Black men should be having those conversations with younger dudes instead of ignoring or demonizing them for one reason or another Yes, and the younger dudes have to have enough good sense to LISTEN to the elders and respect the knowledge they're being given. I'm talking about...as you said...ELDERS. There's a difference between "Elders" and "Old Niggaz"...lol. I'm not talking about taking advice from some old nigga sitting on a milk crate outside of a liquor store with no teeth in his mouth and a nappy white beard full of fried chicken crumbs and snot. I'm talking about actual bonafide ELDERS who have a history and record of achievement and success in the community and will give sound advice. Speaking of elders demonizing the youth........ It's one thing for old White women or Asian men or some other demographic to complain about the behavior of young AfroAmerican males. They've never been one and don't know what they're going through or how they think. However when you start hearing older Black males...just a generation or two above complaining about the behavior and thinking of so many if these young bruthaz, you have to acknowledge that THEIR criticisms may be legitimate because they've been there and realize something ain't right. Like I mentioned in the other thread.... It's one thing to sag or wear baggy clothes. It's another thing to wear skinny jeans but then pull the seat of them down just enough so that the public can see how dirty your drawers are and air out your butt hole. Not only does it look disgusting in the eyes of ANY culture, but talk about gay as hell...man. Must be something in the fake weed they're smoking that's fucking up the judgement of some of these young dudes. To your point, I don't think they should be demonized. I think some of them should just be written off and kept out of our community. As Dr. Umar Johnson would say: FOR GOOOOOOOOOOD!

ProfD Would you agree those died were better off than those who survived and had to live a life unfulfilled and no enjoyment of s8x? It's hard to say because there's an old saying: You don't miss what you've never had. Those children were often circumcised or castrated at such a young age that they've NEVER had sex or the urge for it so they don't realize let alone miss the joy of it. On top of that, some Eunuchs were afforded pretty high positions in wealthy and noble homes. They were the equivalent of "house niggas" for that era. If you to asked some of THEM would they have rather been in their positions or dead...they'd looked at you like you were insane. Who makes the determination of who is or isn't qualified to start a business? -the customers, and those with experience having operated one. If you call yourself operating a SEAFOOD JOINT....but you're constantly running out of shrimp and catfish every other day....YO ASS shouldn't be in business, lol. If you can't even hold down something as simple as a 9-5, why would you think you'd qualify to operate an entire business which is usually much more complex? I'm not talking about selling weed to your friends or bags of oranges on the off-ramp of a freeway and calling THAT a "business". "Hey...I got my own fried critter bid'ness!" Any fool can do that....as long as somebody is supporting their broke ass with a REAL job or they're getting a government check But when it comes to operating a real BONAFIDE business like a restaurant or coffee shop or barber shop....most people aren't qualified to do that, in my opinion. It's happening right now. You're arguing against it. Correct. I'm against it because it's not fair and improper. White men won the war entitling them to the spoils of it. I don't see it that way. I don't think any man is entitled to sexual satisfaction from any woman he's not legally/publicly married to. And even then, if she decides not to grant him satisfaction...his only recourse should be either to bribe her or leave her. Sure. Gotta put in work for it. Doesn't fall into one's lap. I'm not sure if putting in work or even being a well built man will work in the cases of many if not most non-FBA women of color when it comes to sexual intimacy with an AfroAmerican man, no matter HOW much money he has. Perhaps it will, I'm not wealthy enough nor have I interviewed Black men who were wealthy and went around trying to do so but something tells me that in the cases of many if not most of these women, even his money won't matter. I don't think a young inshape billionaire Black man could go to India or Korea and pull even a FRACTION of the single women in those nations and convince them to have sex with him. That default position of being a slave at a price is the main reason Black folks cannot be independent and autonomous. That's a different argument all together...lol. My point is, IF you're going to be a slave...better off being a rich one. Juvenile said: Ya'Undastan'???? I wasn't referring to the snatch box smell. That gets better with age. It's the Ben Gay and other pain relief cream they might need at night. I was actually warned about that from an old head back in the day and the first time I encountered it, I started laughing and remembering what he said. When I told him I liked older women, he said I would get enough of smelling that liniment and alcohol they have to rub them old bones up with at night...lol. You're advocating that average men pull up their status to enjoy the same perks. Well, SHOULDN'T that be the goal?

ProfD Yet, Africans and other Black folks cannot fix their failed and broken countries. I wouldn't say all African nations are failed or broken. Some are doing better than others. Without having been there myself, from what I've read and heard...Nigeria, South Africa, Senegal, and Ghana are doing quite well. One of the biggest problems in Africa and what cause many of those nations to fail is DISUNITY and TRIBAL FIGHTING. Having said that, I have to admit that most of the Africans I've met here in the United States tend to be much more mentally mature than the average AfroAmerican. They tend to have much more discipline, focus, and a better work ethic and family orientation. We can't deny that. There's also African broken families and out of wedlock children and blended families and adopting orphans, nieces and nephews either abandoned by their biological parents and/or they were unable to take care of them. True. But nothing on the level of what you see with both Black AND White people here in the U.S. though. Not among the immigrants atleast. Back on the actual continent, that may be different. It's easy to romanticize or embrace another culture or group in order to escape the negative spin placed on one's own community. While this is true in some instances, I've come to this conclusion based on years of personal observations. Still, AfroAmericans inherently have more flavor than any other group of people on the planet. They copy us. That was the case right up until about the mid-90s. Since then, it appears our cultural flavor has been "tainted" by ratchetness and degeneracy. When you start seeing young men walking around in SKINNY JEANS with the pants pulled down to sag just below the butt hole....it's over.

Chev Would you consider the state of Black America today a "matriarchy" or a "dysfunctional patriarchy"?

ProfD Reading that reminded me of the slave claiming the plantation as our home. But even if we aren't the masters over it, this IS our home. Much like a child living at home, even though he doesn't own or control it. In everything you've written on this particular subject...two words have been on my fingertips....confidence and communication. Facts. AfroAmerican men already know our status and how other groups feel about us. You'd be suprised at how clueless some of these younger dudes are, especially at the depth of how much many of these other groups dislike and disrespect AfroAmericans. Many of them have no idea until we bring it to their attention and THEN they start observing it for themselves. Only an open mouth gets fed. Communicate POWERFUL That's a "word" for this Sunday...lol

Come on man, you KNOW Tipsy is going to eventually respond back with a close up picture of himself or some drag queen...lol. Talking about.... "...and uhh what percentage of Black or Native ancestry would you say THIS person has in them? By the way, check you private message....I have something SPECIAL to tell you!" Come on bro, you get to know people after a while....lol.

On top of that......... Africans tend to mature faster and earlier than White men OR Black American men based on my observations.

I'm old enough to remember that before "lil man" it was "young blood". I was Divinely Favored enough to grow up with a good Father in the home, however sometimes we'd go over our aunt's house to stay for a night or two and I'd ROUTINELY see certain dudes drop by for the weekend and didn't understand at the time what was going on. Me and my brother would sometimes mess up and call my aunt's boyfriends by different names thinking they were the same dude we saw there last month...LMBAO. You'd be downstairs playing with your cousin and some nigga in a robe and gold chain around his neck would come downstairs to the kitchen and walk past you grinning talking about "what's up young blood....how ya been!" Man....the shit you remember growing up, lol.

As I said in another thread, you're never too young or too old to think correctly...lol. However your WISDOM and MATURITY often kick in at different times. I think that most would agree that females tend to reach MENTAL adulthood quicker than males for the most part. However I would say that males tend to become MORE mature mentally than females when that maturity is finally reached. In other words.... Just like a cat will grow from a kitten until a full grown adult in about 2 or 3 years; much quicker than a human. But although it takes a human to physically grow to adulthood about 20 years or so...they will become much larger than a cat when they finally DO reach adulthood. Having said that..... I do have to admit that based on my observations, White dudes seem to mature mentally faster than AfroAmerican men for whatever reason. YOu find so many White dudes who are 20 and 22 already married, settled down in jobs (good or bad), and ready to try to start a family and invest in a 401K plan. Meanwhile bruh-man is still laying around in his mama's basement arguing with her over bills and hanging out at clubs smoking weed and getting into fist fights at 35. Perhaps it's cultural. The older generation of Black men DID seem to mature much faster.

Chev Oh wow! I never heard of that. I've heard that it stemmed from Africa. Yes, TODAY it's commonly practiced in NorthEast Africa in places like Eritrea, Somalia, and Sudan and to a lesser extent through out Arabia however it started with the ARABS who INVADED those lands. It's the same idea with CASTRATION and the making of EUNUCHS. Remember Phil and the Eunuch story in the Bible. Why were there so many Eunuchs in the land in those days? Where did Eunuchs and the act of castrating men come from? When these Caucasians (Arabs, Persians, Jews, etc...) went into Black lands to invade them, they had to maintain sexual control over both the men and the women so that the Black population they were dominating didn't get out of hand. When they'd enslave the Black boys they'd make them Eunuchs so that they could keep them around without worrying about them screwing their women or spreading their seed. They "circumcised" the Black girls cutting off their clitoris' so that they could have sex with them without the women enjoying it. Eventually these things....like the religions they brought...became a part of the "cultures" of those regions. But, it does seem to make sense that racism is the root of male dominance as you put it in terms of Patriatism and Chauvinism, etc. They are tied together. Just like here in the United States during Slavery where White men preached how the races shouldn't mix and would lynch Black men for being intimate with White women BUT routinely raped and had sex with Black women themselves. It had nothing to do with "purity" or "religion" but was about maintaining control over the races you subjugated. This is one of the reasons I'm so sensitive about this "stay away from the Black guys" narrative being pushed so much. If they'd stay away for Black men AND Black women...no problem. But I know they'll tell women to stay away from Black men WHILE AT THE SAME TIME they're staying up all night chasing after and trying to screw Black women!!! It's not about keeping the races separate. It's about keeping that Black penis away. ProfD Proactive. Go-getter. Six figure income. Homeowner. Respected by peers. OK, thank you. Well, if that's the case MOST WHITE MEN don't fit that description..lol. While it's realistic, I don't think that's a very likely/probable goal for most men to reach anyway. Correct. The average Black man doesn't fit the description. But, average women should be dealing with the average men. There's no shortage of either. Agreed. There's no shortage, but the willingness to engage in sexual activity is the issue. Many "average" women are holding out sexually because they were taught to wait on Mr.Right or Mr.Well-built to come along and "save" her...lol. The problem is too many Black men are working for white men instead of themselves. FACTS However to make it clear. I don't believe most men of ANY race were made to be business owners. When I say Black men should work for themselves, I mean that MOST Black men should be working in the businesses of other qualified Black men or Black women. I don't see why Black men should be entitled to accessing women of different races or nationalities. I'll give you 2 simple reasons and a question: 1. Because we're all human and made to have sex with eachother 2. Because they're THERE. If we all lived in separate countries or territories, the argument may be a little different. But "thanks" to White folks bringing nearly ever race and nationality on this planet here to America...we're here together now. Wouldn't it be kind of akward for dozens of different races and nationalities of women and men to work and go to school around eachother but NOT expect to have any sort of intimacy with eachother? Question: If we ask why should Black men have access, then why should White men also? That's like asking why should Black men have access to being billionaires or owning land. Women are humans obviously, but they are also CAPITAL and of VALUE. The more you have and can attract...the more value and and worth you have and the higher your status. Black folks are always the employees. That's why they call athletes $40 million dollar slaves. You have a point but.... As President Obama would say: "Don't make perfect the enemy of the good" If you're GOING to be a slave any way, it's better to be a $40 million one than to be a broke ass one..lol It just looks and smells different especially as we get older. Not sure about the sistaz YOU'VE dealt with but the smell hasn't changed as they aged...lol. The only "look" that has changed with some of them was just more grey hairs down there...LOL. I know you're not suggesting we press other cultures to give us access to their snatch boxes I was waiting on your to ask me for what I consider to be the SOLUTIONS to this problem. First of all, there is no need to use any kind of force and I wouldn't advocate for that anyway. I personally wouldn't enjoy the company of a woman if she was FORCED to be with me. All we have to do is use DENIAL. I think if we as Black men got on code and built up our economics and own communities and gate-kept them while MAKING IT CLEAR that any non-FBA women who entered into OUR communities or sought our protection or benefits would have to entertain the idea of being sexually intimate with us...things would change in one generation. I say we pretty much pull out of this society as much as possible and focus on building US and OUR weight. In other words..... Today Black men are in school, at work, in the government....pretty much doing everything White and Latino men are doing but not getting as much respect for it. But if we were to pull out our talents from the mainstream and focus more on building OUR businesses and OUR housing so that when immigrants come to the United States and they see what WE have going on, they will want to live around and work for US because WE will have the advantage. Naturally...and I've seen and experienced this more times than I've counted...when most women want and need things from you most of them DON'T HESITATE to offer you their attention, smiles, and even sometimes their bodies to get them. If Black men are the ones with the jobs, money, and housing to offer....these same women who swore up and down they wouldn't have anything to do with Black American man will change their tune almost OVER NIGHT. My word is bond on that one.