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umbrarchist Well, the "smart" White folks are obviously the ones in charge and making most of the decisions on how this nation operates. It would be THEM who we would have to deal with and MAKE deals with if we collectively decided to do so. No, White people aren't a monolith, but they are CLEARLY more unified in thought and action than AfroAmericans. They have collectively agreed to gentrify Black communities from coast to coast. They have also collectively agreed to bring in illegal non-Black immigrants by the MILLIONS from Latin America and scatter them around the nation for cheap labor. Obviously there is some sort of "group" of White folks who agree to operate in the collective to push their agenda. Again, it's THESE White folks that we'd have to make deals with if we chose to do so. ProfD Black folks should not be asking white folks or any group of people for a status. Nor should Black folks accept such a designation. Well rest assured, most are NOT. And they're getting exactly what they asked for. one does not ask for respect. It is earned. Even if that means taking by force. Ok. And what does that have to do with AfroAmericans? I KNOW you know better than to expect THESE fake weed smoking niggaz running around outside in those funny plastic sandal looking shoes and pajama bottoms, to organize and take ANY-thing from White folks by force. .....besides...maybe...flash mobbing one of those fake-weed dispensaries. Black men should be taking constructive actions towards becoming more powerful. Black men in Africa should have never become slaves or allowed their women to be raped. Black men should have never tolerated Jim Crow. ....so much for what Black men "should" or "shouldn't" do. This may sound weird, but what I'm suggesting probably and most likely WOULD make us more powerful than we are right now. It would be a GUARANTEED and PROTECTED 2nd Class/ 2nd Tier status that would ensure a certain amount of businesses, jobs, benefits, etc...over and above any other race or ethnic group EXCEPT White Americans. Kind of like the status of Native Americans but more concrete and well defined and even more protected and guaranteed. A real man doesn't beg for anything. He goes to work and stands on business A lot of "real men" are also locked up or dead and in the dirt with their dicks laying sideways after coming across OTHER "real men" who were smarter and more powerful. We have to deal with REALITY, not wishful thinking or "I'm gonna git you sucka" talk. That Dolemite shit may SOUND cool and uplifting but how well do you think it's going to work in the REAL world when you come across White folks not only on the police force but these armed MILITIAS they're allowing to form in every state to back their power structure up? "Move out my way honkie! I'm coming here to TAKE minez! I know you want me to beg, but I ain't beggin' ya fa' shit! Now DANCE gotdammit....DANCE SUCKA!!!!" (((rat-a-tat-tat)))

In the United States atleast, Caucasians (or White people for those who prefer that term) are in power. For whatever reason The SUPREME BEING has allowed Caucasians to attain power and so far they are KEEPING power and we don't know how long they will BE in power. Regardless of religions, prophecies, and predictions.....they haven't been removed from power YET. Maybe they will be removed TOMORROW. Maybe they will be in power for the next 10 years. Maybe they will be removed from power sometime within the next 100 years. We don't know. The SUPREME BEING knows.....we don't. But we DO know that they are in power right now. As long as Caucasians are in power....in the United States atleast....I'm wondering should AfroAmericans openly and outright ask the Caucasians in power to be their "right hand" so to speak. -to request "2nd Class" status OVER other groups....and ACCEPT it if they agree collectively to it? I know to some and perhaps even most AfroAmericans, this consideration would be absolutely outrageous and unacceptable. However from a LOGICAL point of view, if a person is in prison and hasn't found a way out YET...should they not go to the authorities OF that institution and try to request the most comfortable position there and accept it as long as they ARE there? I think this is more logical than constantly arguing and bickering with White people over this and that while these other groups are coming in trying to make alliance with them, kiss and suck up to them, and not only take our place (what "place" at this point???) and even try to bump AfroAmericans out their way to get the position for themselves. Hell, some of them may even treat AfroAmericans WORSE than White folks if they got in the same position any higher position. Look at how so many of these Asians and Latinos and Arabs treat AfroAmericans NOW on the job and in their businesses. They tend to be FAR more openly racist than most White folks If we live in a multi-racial/ethnic society and White folks are adamant about keeping their top tier position and SOMEBODY has to occupy 2nd place, why not US? It also puts us in a more powerful position than we are already in, since the competition with these other groups will lessen and in most cases even cease IF they know and understand that politically, economically, and even socially WE are ahead of and above them in rank and that White folks will likely ENFORCE this status and make sure they understand and respect it.

Rest In Peace And Power to our dear brother elder and now ancestor.... The Honorable Quincy D. Jones Jr.

We know that Serena Williams is married to a Caucasian man. I did a quick search for Venus' current/former boyfriends...and saw a list of Caucasian men for her as well. ....what does that say?

I'm trying to make sure I KEEP working. Like the Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught, I REALLY should have my own business, however it's a bit easier to punch in and work for others at the moment. I have to deal with some of the consequences that often come WITH that. Reminds me of that old Ice Cube song "A Bird In The Hand". "...punch the clock like a slave and be half a man ...cuz whitey says there's no room for the African"

ProfD Do you have the power or resources to command their attention? Some of them, yes. But I'm my issue isn't necessarily PERSONAL satisfaction with them at this point. It's more so COLLECTIVE on both sides. Meaning, as Black American men COLLECTIVELY we need to ensure that we are getting the proper respect and sexual attention from EVERY demographic of women that lives in this nation. Not that every Black man or even most Black men should have sex with most available non-Black women. That's not the point. But that most...the average...Black man is ABLE to if he so chooses. I understand your fixation. I don't know if you're in a position to satisfy it. Dialoging with bruthaz like you and being on the internet helps enable me to. You aren't seeing all of the moves every Black man makes. True. But I keep asking...show me the Black men who ARE banging these races/ethnicities of women I've mentioned. Again, you're projecting that which you'd like to see Black men doing publicly. Somebody has to. Every Black man can be laid back on the couch in sweat pants with a cell phone in his hand grinning talking about "every thang'z cooool". SOMEBODY has to admit there's a problem going on. If rich and wealthy Black men and any other for that matter can pull non-FBA women, the same applies to any woman to whom they're attracted. A few are pulling East Asian women. How many of these wealth Black men are snatching up Arab, Pakistani, Indian, and East African women?

BTW..... That sista from Kenya is ANOTHER sista who works in the Administrative department of my job who says she's being sexually harassed by her White co-workers and upper Managers. She said 3 of them be messing with her. We saw one messing around with her, and when I mentioned it to her one day she said he wasn't the only one and then mentioned two others! And she's actually a supervisor herself. One of the guys is actually BELOW her in that department but she says he's relentless with the jokes and the touching. But she wants to focus more so on them being MEN than being White. When we talk, she often finds a way to start saying how some Black men back in Kenya often behave the same way. ....which I'm in no position to argue with her over.

The one your lil' SCARED behind took down....lol. Exposing a little too much, huh...lol.

Looks like a SEGREGATED family picture to me. You got all of the brown skinned folks on one side and the light skinned folks lined up on the other, lol. What are you trying to TELL US with that picture Cynique????

Spittin' straight facts. Can't argue with you on that last one....lol. As far as...... How do you propose to get those women to think or feel differently? I'm not sure. I think pushing more positive images in the entertainment industry would be a great start. More POSITIVE music with POSITIVE images of Black men. More movies and movie roles with POSITIVE images of Black men. When I say POSITIVE, I don't mean weak and sissified. I mean strong, virile, masculine, tough....yet fair and honest and morally righteous. More police officer roles and less criminal roles. More roles as leaders, presidents, CEOs, etc... I talked to one sista from Kenya who told me that she wanted to come to America and go to an HBCU strictly because of a show she used to watch on television when she was a kid. I asked her what show was that? She said, A DIFFERENT WORLD She said she was inlove with Dwayne Wayne and wanted to come to America, go to an HBCU, meet a man like HIM and join a sorority! I'm not ashamed to say that when she told me that, my eyes juiced up just a little bit....not much...just a little....lol. I met so many Black Americans who said they wanted to go to college because of a Different World but that was the first time I heard an African say that. I didn't know they even GOT the show over there at that time. That show...like the Cosby Show...is NOW long and gone. What replaced it? We didn't know what we had and how much of an impact it was having across the globe, but the devils did.

ProfD Again. The question is why fixate and feel entitled to women who are in a country (environment) that Black men do not own or control. Because they're THERE. If they were in another country or in THEIR OWN country, it wouldn't be a concern. But because they are women...many of whom are attractive....and in MY country in MY environment. As a man, they command my attention. Now add that natural biological urge with the history of racism and the history of sex being used as a weapons OF racism and how racists at various times in history would seek to ISOLATE Black men and limit our sexual opportunities. ...and you'll understand why I'm fixated on it. We gotta build our own sh8t. Become more attractive. It's not enough for a Black man's only asset to be his d8ck and believe every group of women should jump on his love pole. I agree. However there are PLENTY of rich and wealthy Black men all over America so Black men being broke or lacking resources isn't the real issue either. If so, I would see rich Black men with a racial variety of women from around the world. Instead, most of them are with Black women, White women, and occasionally nearly White Latina women. A few are with Asian women.

ProfD Trust me, I do enough smiling and grinning at White folks....along with my performance...to keep my job. I mean, you never know WHY you may get fired. However, I try to stay in good with the people I NEED to stay in with...and that includes mostly White folks. I'll tell you who really don't like it. Many of the LATINOS. Many of them, especially in lower management...don't like how I SEEM to get along so well with White folks in UPPER management. They see me talking to them and laughing and sharing a joke with them from time to time...something most Latinos on our level NEVER do and few in mid-management do. Because I'm American and middle aged, I share a lot of the culture and perspectives of a lot of the older White men and women in upper management so I can relate to them on that level and many of the Latinos HATE the fact that they can't do it because of cultural differences. I also bash the Democrats and say LESS negative things about Trump than I do about Harris while making it clear that I don't trust either one, that helps too...lol.

It's not impossible at all and it's VERY doable. We can clearly and definitely make progress at every level. However it has to start with the TRUTH and us being HONEST about ourselves and our situation. When I keep hearing bruthaz talking about all the game they got and how many women they got; snatching out their cell phones with a whole list of nothing but 'hood rats and ghetto tramps (White and Black). But if he just TRIES to stop an East Indian woman....who's skin is actually blacker than his...on the street and ask her for directions, she gives both of us a weird look and keeps going....SHE'S a woman! Why isn't his "magic" working with her? If our bruthaz are macking like that why doesn't his celly have a VARIETY of women from all different races and ethnicities in them? Because the TRUTH is, it's to the point where AfroAmericans have returned to being thought of as 2nd and 3rd class citizens.

ProfD However, many AfroAmerican men have built themselves in such a way to overcome discrimination. Especially when it comes to women. They're NOT overcoming it....and that's the problem. They are IGNORING their racist and discriminatory treatment and focusing on the small percentage of women who AREN'T discriminating against us. Like I said, if MOST Arab, Indian, Asian, and Latina women are not having any sort of sexual relationship with Black American men BECAUSE they are Black and for no other reason; and they are OPENLY saying this online and offline. And we IGNORE it or TOLERATE it and instead focus on the just the FBA or few White women who DO want us... That's not "overcoming"....that's SUBMITTING to being a victim of racism and accepting your position as a 2nd or possibly a 3rd or 4th class citizen. Overcoming means CONFRONTING the racists over their racism and after the confrontation...winning. Since we we're submitting to SEXUAL discrimination, what else are we SUBMITTING to as Black men? If we try to check into a hotel and they say "we don't rent rooms to Black guys, sorry" Should we be ok with THAT too and just move on and focus on the Holiday Inn or some hotel that does? What about grocery stores that put up signs saying no Blacks allowed? Should we ignore those and focus on the stores that WILL allow us in? How far should we go in allowing people to openly discriminate against us as Black American men? At what point is it no longer acceptable?

ProfD I apologize for projecting. I did get a little heated because what you just said was said to me by atleast about 100 OTHER bruthaz over the years and it's all basically the same: "I ain't checkin' for them like that so I don't care." I think this "I don't care" attitude among so many Black men is a DEFENSE MECHANISM If you're a straight man you DO care how the women...ALL (pretty much) of the women...in your environment perceive you, whether you're actually trying to screw them or not. So I know when most Black men sit up and say they aren't attracted to these other women or that they don't care....I know they're lying. And what makes me so angry is how can solve any problem unless it's first acknowledged? 90% of the women in your environment walking pass you and ignoring you as sub-human or some sort of criminal who should be locked up....but you don't care because you can easily attract that 10%. And even THAT number is dwindling with the amount of sistaz (FBA) running to White men to. But I guess I should stop complaining because there is no problem. I just THINK there's one, but things are really cool. Black American men can really get any women they want...and if they don't get them that means they didn't want them. I'm sorry for making all of this up.

ProfD Well, I'm under no illusion that the Haitian sista is going to try to do what she can to keep her job. I don't expect her to start wearing an Afro to work with a Black Power Fist comb stuck in it and start cussing out White folks to prove how "down" she is...lol. The fact is, I often wonder what kind of relationship DID she have with that White manager that maybe I wasn't aware of? She has her phone number to be texting her and all, but I didn't get into that. The sista (FBA) at the table also told me that I she wonders if I'm not making the situation with some of these women WORSE by adding more stress to their situation. I asked her, how so? Because I basically say the same thing to Africans OFF-LINE as I talk about online, including on this site. I get on them about how in love they are with White people, and how racist a lot of the White folks are and what they did to Black women during slavery etc.... She said some of them are already stressed out because White folks often "sneak" disrespect them and give them a hard time and harass the women knowing they can't or won't tell. Then they have a brutha like ME on their head "lambasting" (her word..lol) them and "raking them over the coals" (her words again...lol), accusing them of being in bed with White men and sucking them off in the back offices....lol. She said that a couple months ago...one African dude pointed at me and told her that when I get through talking to them, some of them Africans feel like getting on a plane and heading back home.... OH NOOOOO...LMBAO!!!!! That's not my intention....lol. I'm not trying to be rude, but I make my points CLEAR and UNDERSTOOD. There is NO DOUBT as to where I'm coming from and even people who can barely speak English know it, lol.

Let's stop beating around the bush and keep it real. A lot of Black American men....probably even most....consider most non-Black women SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH for them to date, let alone fuck, or marry. That's real. A situation has presented itself in this nation that we haven't seen since Jim Crow or perhaps Slavery itself. Entire groups of women that Black American men have been PROGRAMMED/TRAINED/CONDITIONED to ignore and leave alone....or else. But instead of it being that White woman who was put up on a pedestal..... -better not touch her boy. -better not even look at her. -no reckless eyeballin' around here. .....instead of the White woman who Black men was told was out of reach, now we have Arab, Asian, Indian, and most African women who are ALSO out of reach for Black American men. Our bruthaz have been so TRAINED to leave these women alone that no matter how attractive they are, these bruthaz don't holla. And if they DO holla and get dissed...they accept it and move on and are careful NOT to make that "mistake" again. Now here's the problem. Once Black men have been conditioned to see certain groups of women as "out of reach" or "out of their league" to have sex with or marry....how far will it go? Will it next be socially acceptable for certain JOBS to be "out of our league" too? What about housing and education? If they can openly discriminate with us when it comes to getting pussy, what will stop them from discriminating against us with housing and jobs and loans and other things?

Now see...... That's what I'm talking about. THAT attitude right there. You CLAIM that you're not interested in them and THAT'S why you haven't pulled them. But come on bro...you KNOW there are some fine ass Ethiopian, East Indian, or Arab women out there with wide hips, smooth brown skin, and big round butts like any AfroAmerican sista. Don't tell me you aren't attracted. You don't focus on them because....like most FBA bruthas...you know you don't have much of a chance. So you don't waste your time with them. But THEY ARE WOMEN and they are IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. So now a situation has been set up that we haven't seen since slavery. Black American men have been conditioned to see entire groups and their women in a "separate class" and many of our bruthaz see that class as SUPERIOR and OUT OF REACH. Let's keep it real. This is the problem I was getting at in the other threads. Too many Black men (I'm not talking about you but I'm using this example) have basically submitted to being 2nd class citizens in their own country.

But with all due respect sir......lol....I asked you about those SPECIFIC groups. I didn't ask you about how many Black American, White, or even Latina women you may have pulled. I didn't ask about "foreign" or "exotic" or any other vague term. I asked you how many Eritrean/Ethiopian/Somali women (since they are plentiful in that region), Arab women, or East Indian women, or Asian women...have you pulled? They are WOMEN. If you don't have problems getting WOMEN, then you shouldn't have problems getting THEM. So, can I get a number....as Mr.Bobby would say....please sir, lol.

I've being getting these "doses" for a while here and there, lol. Like I've said many times before, I work around a lot of Africans. After I got let go from my old job for not getting the vaccine and I found this new one a few years ago, more and more AfroAmericans on the job have been getting replaced by Africans. When I first got to that job, it was about 50/50. But gradually the Africans began to replace the FBA and on that same tip...the Latinos began to replace the White population. Except for the office/administrative areas where the Whites still dominate. Now where most of the employees work, of the entire Black population.....it's about 75% African, 10% West Indian, and 15% Black American. That Haitian sista I referred to was a pretty "down" and conscious young lady, and very fine to! She was born in Haiti but raised on the Eastcoast and Midwest and thinks more inline with FBA than with Caribbeans born and raised on the island who migrate here. Infact, like I said we have quite a few Haitians and Jamaicans at my job. Of the THOUSANDS of people who work at the actual facility, they are obviously a minority...but enough of them for a conscious brutha like ME to take notice of them, lol. But as far as not being able to protect the women.... An Arab or Indian girl told me that one time when I was in my early 20s. Even THEN I was conscious of how Black men were treated by these other groups, so I asked one and she said that if she were to get involved with a "Black guy" her father and family would disown her and may even try to hurt her and how many "Black guys" would be able to take care of her or provide for her if she's put out of her house? And what if she get's pregnant, what are the chances of him sticking around to take care of her and raise the child? And if the men in her family try to hurt her, could she rely on him for protection or would he tell her to call the police and then hang up the phone and go to bed? She said all of that (and more...but I forgot) and it really brought home to me the situation a lot of these women are in and how they can't afford to literally go "fucking around". That was back in the 90s, but I still remember it.

Hmmm..... Have you ever pulled an Arab woman? What about an East Asian (Chinese, Japanese, etc...) or East Indian? There are THOUSANDS of the in the DMV; have you ever bedded down an Eritrean, Ethiopian, or Somali woman?

ProfD Otherwise, "Do unto others as you would would have them do unto you" is a metaphor for how humans should treat each other. There is no disconnect or misunderstanding, I know EXACTLY what you're saying. It's what President Obama would call a "fundamental disagreement" You believe that you should treat people the way YOU would like to be treated or make them feel the way YOU would like to feel....I don't. I don't think some people DESERVE to be treated the way me or others are treated. I don't think some people DESERVE to feel the way I or others feel. Every doctor who takes the oath is bound to it. Ok And what material or substance is "binding" them to that oath and holding them to honor it? In other words.... If they BREAK that oath, who's going to hold them accountable for their actions and what will the consequences be?

As much as I complain about Black men not getting the respect and love (things that Neely Fuller Jr. said you should never "ask" for) as I THINK we should get from other races, a situation happened Friday that reminded me of one of the reasons we don't and also makes we wonder if how other non-White peoples treat us and see us is somewhat justified to a certain extent. During lunch time a Haitian woman from the administrative department who talks with me and other Black Americans a lot came to the cafeteria crying with her eyes all red and puffy, visibly upset, and didn't waste any time telling us about some White dude who is a manager in the her department who kept sending her pictures of his dick on her phone and into her email and is now threatening to go to her facebook page and post it if she doesn't give him some action. He is also threatening to tell her boyfriend (who is Haitian) that they have a sexual relationship with eachother....if she doesn't give him some action. My female friend told me this was going on for months but it was just a little gossip she mentioned here and there, but when we saw her today it was out in the open! We told her to tell HR and she said she was afraid to do so because she said they probably wouldn't believe her. This isn't the first case btw, there have been nearly a dozen cases of White men harassing Black women that I KNOW of who they don't go to HR about it. The more she cried, the angrier I got and I almost started yelling at her that she should atleast try or maybe even go to law enforcment or something. The other brutha at our table just listened but didn't have much to say about it, the sista kept trying to calm her down and when she left she got on me for being "insensitive" about the situation. She really pulled my coat on this and pretty much told me that I was more interested in harming the White dude than I was in making sure the Haitian woman was safe and could keep her job and THAT was the problem. I had to shut up and agree with her and then it made me think. Then I was remined of something Neely Fuller Jr. told a caller a few years ago who called in complaining about why African immigrants don't talk to and communicate more with Black Americans. Questions I had also so I thought they were legitimate. And almost verbatim Mr. Fuller said in that deep strong voice, "Talk to us about WHAT? What do THEY have to talk with US about? They came here for jobs and opportunity, not a bunch of talk. I mean...can WE offer them what the White people who brought them here offer them? Now THAT'S something to talk about.....if you want to have a conversation. Otherwise....there's nothing to talk about. What will an African immigrant or any OTHER immigrant get from talking with some random Black person on the street....besides....maybe chased DOWN the street if he stops and talks to the WRONG Black person." I had to laugh and laugh and laugh at that response and I STILL think about it from time to time obviously, because as sad as it was...he was on point and it helps me make a lot of sense out of how other people see us and treat us and WHY. As Black men...especially Black American men....what jobs or benefits do we have to offer these immigrants and other non-White peoples that they should side with US over White people? We're BOTH working at jobs owned by Whites. Many people still IN Africa, Asian, and Latin America are working at jobs owned by Whites. Many of them are sending money home and helping to support their families from jobs owned by White folks, can I beat that and offer them BETTER help? What housing do I have for them or even myself? What hospital do I have for them to take their children to when they get sick? I didn't even bring them into this country they are enjoying NOR do I have the power to keep them here if White folks decided to deport them. Do I even have a right to complain about them choosing to side with and support White people and ignore us?

I didn't answer the question because it wasn't asked out of sincerity. Cynique was just hatin' as usual and THAT'S why she asked that question. You could ask the same question for HALF of the things people say in this forum. "How do you know?" "You got proof?" "Who told you this?" Since she doesn't want to believe ME, let Del or someone she believes in come on and tell her the same thing and maybe she'll accept it. "Wow.... I didn't realize this was the case until you told me! This was the first time someone told me this in a way I understood it! Thank you for the insight!"

ProfD The question remains would you want the same treatment. The answer is I WOULD NOT want a woman to treat me like I treat HER. Even prostate exams are uncomfortable. One could only imaging what it would be like having a soul pole being slid in and out of you. Clearly, they weren't bound to the hippocratic oath. And how many doctors around this planet today do you think ARE actually bounds to and honor that oath? You're doing harm when you prescribe a medicines that you know will cause side effects that are often times worse than the malady you're treating.