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frankster If transplantation affects Personality and Behavior....it affects thoughts - be they good or evil.. I need provide no further proof... That study is evidence, not proof. It's not established science that thoughts and emotions actually come from the human heart and you know it. Although it's not proof of your assertion, I won't continue arguing against it because it would come too dangerously close to contradicting my own beliefs about the possibilities that different parts of the human body...especially the blood and DNA...contain a certain degree of consciousness, memory, personality, personal vibration, etc...OF that particular individual. In other words..... If the blood, the DNA, or each living cell contains some consciousness or essence of the person...that would INCLUDE the heart (as well as other organs) by default. No need.... You said: but it does affect you negatively if I mention your struggles with ignorance and confusion that you admitted to ? If you want a clear answer, you need to ask a clear question...lol.

frankster Cool...so you want him to go against his own opinion? That's his choice as is the case with anybody. I'll go against MY own opinion once clear knowledge and facts are introduced to me. How you EXPRESS that opinion...the timing and manner, is the issue. The Bible is one scripture.....every religion and culture have their scriptures - I find value in them all. So what scripture do you find value in that supports the idea that humans are millions of years old? Please post and link quote Back in May 10 in the 2nd page of this thread you said: Here you made a clear and blanket statement. You didn't say "some Whites" or "Most Europeans" but Whites. That covers them in general. ...and again, this isn't a true statement because European Caucasians acknowledged their Whiteness for decades if not centuries before coming to the Americas. Just as how the definition of race also told you that politicians are a race. And????? No.....your point was "You can't practice religious intolerance if only one religion exists." They are of the same religion yet the war on each other....so you do not need two religions - to experience "Religious intolerance" Correct, and I acknowledged that. You do not need two sexes to practice intolerance against against sex.... "You can't practice sexism, if only one sex exists." Homophobia is intolerance prejudice or discrimination based on sex ...especially same sex....sexism Homophobia isn't based on sex (the adjective not the verb). It's based on sexual ORIENTATION/PREFERENCE.

frankster The commendations I think are for posting and participating.....not as to whether or not your opinions are true accurate or good You don't get them simply for participating, lol. You get them from people who like what you have to say and generally agree with it. Or in some cases to show empathy or confusion. So you are asking him to play....Judge? Well, he's doing that anyway whether I ask him or not....lol. or are you asking that he tries to play fair when he knows you are wrong/inaccurate? That is an illogical question because he doesn't "know" that I'm wrong or inaccurate. He...like you...don't like the idea of multiple races and refuses to accept them as a Reality. It's not "wrong"; it's simply a position that he...again like YOU...vehemently disagrees with. 3 + 3 =17 is WRONG Acceptance or rejection of multiple races is a disagreement What about if Troy does not believe or totally disagree with what you are saying - should he hide or deny his own feelings and opinions? If he does it with YOU then yes...he should do it with me also. Again...if. Perhaps he agrees with everything you've said though. If that's the case, then my criticisms are unwarranted. It is my opinion that anyone can participate to the level they want or do not want.. It's my opinion likewise. However there's a difference between what people CAN do and what people SHOULD do. I support the fact that people CAN participate whenever and however they please but they SHOULD be fair and unbiased in how they do so. I have not been wrong.....and I am sure Troy will and would if he thought I was wrong You've contradicted yourself several times. One of those positions HAD to be the wrong one...lol. In another thread you entertain the idea of humans living with dinosaurs and this involves time periods MILLIONS of years ago...yet you claim to believe in scriptures and those scriptures date man no longer than 10,000 years old. If that's not a contradiction I don't know what else is...lol. That is a historical fact that many europeans historians have stated.... Most Europeans did not know they were white until they came to America....prior to that they thought of themselves in terms of nationals or ethnicities....most having never seeing Africans before coming here. You didn't say anything about "most Europeans" you made a straight statement that Whites DID NOT KNOW they were White until coming West. That was clearly wrong. Think about it.... if I keep telling you - your ego will force you to take offense and you will become defensive. So try and figure it out. It's not some trick question; I seriously want to know. What societies USED TO BE racist but are now no longer racist? Ok... The article said the disparities are a result of access.... That's not the point of my presenting the article. It's just the point you're DWELLING on to try and deny the obvious. The point is the fact that medicine recognized these women were of various races. Something you said that science does NOT recognize. Yes....so you create races based on natural differences between groups of people. Facts. It's about time you "got" it...lol. Different christian sects have been fighting and killing each other for yrs. Good point. See! See how easy it is to admit when someone made a good point??? Homophobia is an example of same sex bias prejudice or discrimination. Huh?????? I'm talking about SEXISM...not same sex discrimination.

frankster Thoughts flow from both the heart and mind/brain Well, on a similar note.... How do we know the mind is located in the brain? Lol, why not associate the mind with the heart too since you want to associate thinking and emotions with it? None that I know of... But there is a case where in the heart recipient was able to describe the killer of the donor... Hmmm.... Interesting, if true. However it does NOT provide the proof of your assertion that I've repeatedly asked for. but it does affect you negatively if I mention your struggles with ignorance and confusion that you admitted to ? I don't understand the question. Perhaps you can rephrase it.

frankster True....you are here longer and contribute a lot more than I do Well the reason I brought it up was..... If I weren't making good points in general, I wouldn't receive so many commendations. So why would I all of a sudden start falling off in THIS discussion? Why would I all of a sudden stop making sense and not making good points in this particular discussion? So is it that I'm not making good points in this discussion, or are the good points being IGNORED? So for you it is about Loyalty and payback ......not Truth For THIS discussion, no. Although I'm a very strong supporter and promoter of loyalty, that wasn't what my criticism was about. You are expecting Troy to defend and support you....even when you are wrong? Lol... I need no defense nor support from Troy or anybody else on this site. But what I DO expect from Troy...as well as anybody else...is a measure of fairness when it comes to commenting on and participating in discussions that are primarily between you and I. If you're going to sit back and watch....sit back and watch. If you're going to participate...participate. However if you're going to jump in and participate, I would like it if you're fair to BOTH of us. If you're going to call out where I'm wrong...call out where YOU'RE wrong. Don't just snuggle up with YOU and start giggling and pointing the finger at ME over a position you PERCEIVE to be erroneous like the multiple race issue but totally ignore the outlandish shit YOU be saying through out the discussion, lol. For example, when you said: That's not only wrong but down right silly in light of historical fact, yet who called you out on that statement? I don't expect unconditional support from anybody on this site, but I don't expect unconditional opposition either. Yes...Race exist as a social construct - especially in racist and former racist societies What are "former racist" societies? And can you give me an example of one? The study you link provided proof that the disparities in health outcome are a result of Access to treatment intervention tools and insurance etc.....not biology but racism I agree that racism is a major cause in those disparities. Different outcomes for the different RACES of women. In order to practice racism...that means MORE than one race must exist. You can't practice sexism, if only one sex exists. You can't practice religious intolerance if only one religion exists.

frankster Of course it is not on par with his proof.....his proof is based in denial and misunderstanding of the use and context of words. No, my proof usually consists of direct quotations and providing the links to back up my claims.

frankster I'm not going to wrestle with you for 10 weeks over this article as some sort of "proof" that thinking comes from the heart. Let me know when you've found some scientific articles that confirm that wicked thoughts, adultery, theft, and murder come from the HEARTS of men as that scripture you produced claims. 🤔 If this is true, I wonder are there any articles confirming that some people have become serial killers or adulterers as a result of heart transplants??? Unless you choose to continue with this line of ad hominem/personal attacks...then its On If you didn't want to subject yourself to personal attacks, you wouldn't have admitted to being a weed head...lol. It is something you ignored... I've also "ignored" the color background of the discussion board, doesn't mean I deny it or believe it's a different color than they greyish color that it is. I tend to focus on more important things. Proverbs 27:7 Ok? What's your point in bringing up this scripture?

frankster What if you don't make a good point....should they still acknowledge as a good point??? Do you want to compare "popular contributor" points from this site? I don't even see you on the list. Race only exist as a social construct It DOESN'T MATTER how it exists...IT EXISTS. It's a Reality! Do you understand this????? Dude....you presented a study on breast cancer as proof that races as biology and genetics is real and true. Because doctors and scientist ACCEPT and REALIZE that it is. Wishful thinkers like YOU don't want to.

frankster I printed and highlighted the word thought for you in the article....I see you choose to ignore it You're talking about this quote: I didn't ignore it, but I didn't address it because it was ambiguous. It said the recipient had thoughts ABOUT the donor's identity and life experiences...not thoughts OF/FROM the donor's identity and life experiences. The difference? It sounded more like the article was saying these thoughts were FROM THE RECIPIENT merely thinking about the identity and life experiences of their donor; more than saying that these were the actual thoughts OF THE DONOR that were transmuted to the recipient via the heart transplant. If you do not read....then I now know why you struggle with ignorance The only struggle I have with ignorance is struggling with YOU, lol. Yes...i can see why you would say that - you feeling frustrated As can be expected...struggling and debating with ignorance on two feet, lol. Dude you already admitted that "that Tolerance has limits" we need go no further Why are you framing it as an "admission"; as if it's something I denied???? Yes it is a part of the Circulatory system....I am not denying that - I agree Ok then........... but It is also a part of the endocrine system that is responsible for hormone production.... The Heart also produces Hormones Hormones affect Mood Feelings and Behavior. Here we go again with the reaches and the stretches...lol. Man, whether or not you eat BREAKFAST in the morning can also affect your mood and behavior. What does the "ancient teachings" say about that???? Yes tolerance DOES have it's limits...and you're pushing its boundaries in this discussion.

Troy Again, you’re a definition of white is causing confusion. Who else...besides you...lol...is "confused" by it? You realize that many Latino people by your own definition are white, don’t you? Ofcourse. If you want to see them, get in your car and drive a few miles south and you'll see THOUSANDS of White Latinos of Cuban ancestry. Again, who else is confused?

Troy those Nigerians are a biased sample of the most highly educated and wealthy ones from the country. That's why I want to go there and see for myself how the people are living. South Africa is actually larger. You probably mean that Nigeria is Africa’s most populated country…. That's what I mean, population wise. If we're talking about land...Sudan and The Congo are bigger than them both. I work with quite a few Africans from all over the continent and some of them keep inviting me overthere. One of these days I might take them up on their offer.

Believe it or not I have mixed feelings on Hoover's incarceration. On the one hand, as was mentioned before...he and others like him formed gangs that pretty much inflicted crime and violence on other Black people. Many of them, especially the gangs on the West Coast...were started by "off shoots" of the Black Panther Party who got paramilitary training on forming ranks, leadership skills, and weapons. ...and were no longer afraid to use them. But instead of using those skills to fight in "the struggle" many of them formed their own little militant groups to engage in criminal activity for personal benefit. You saw this not just in L.A. and Chicago but to a lesser extent all over the country in places like Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. I think the actual name or original name of the Gangsta Disciples were the BLACK Gangsta Disciples. There was a "conscious" element to it originally. In Detroit you had a gang known as the "BK's" or Black Killas (Killers). Originally it started of as a local neighborhood gang to protect THEIR neighborhood from White boys who would come in and harass the people. So they called themselves Black Killas to let them know that these Black men will kill you if you fucked with their neighborhood. Soon they started turning on other Black people and "Black Killa" meant they killed OTHER Black folks! Again, you saw this around the nation. Many of these gangs came out of the Panthers but then one man in that gang would get jealous and would form his OWN gang so one gang would spin off of the other and from another. Although they were inflicting a lot of crime and violence in the Black community, what REALLY sent the violence out of control is when they started locking up the leaders like Larry Hoover and Stanley "Big Took" Williams who was one of the founders of the Crips. The OGs had more direct control over the gangs when they were out on the streets and could control the "flow" of things. They called the shots and prevented a lot of things from happening. Once that leadership was gone, it was almost every man for himself. I vaguely remember....but I do remember...in Detroit back in the early 70s if your car got stolen or your house got broken into the leader of the neighborhood gang knew EXACTLY who did it and you could talk to him to get your shit back or keep it from happening again. When they started locking up the leaders, that type of organization ended. This was before Crack too.

The only time I've seen dinosaurs and humans running around together was in a Godzilla movie....lol.

Troy This is the kind of game @Pioneer1 plays. Just admit that you know much less than a PhD (or an MD) when it comes to the heart. What games have I played? Since I play them so much...according to you...give me 2 examples of them. frankster As a matter of fact the article did..... The part I quoted mention memory and personality...both personality and memory has to do with Thoughts.. Personality speaks to the character of the individual ....whether they be good or bad Memories are composed of Thoughts and Images As a matter of fact, it did NOT. You want to sit up there and equate muscle memory and cellular consciousness with that crap you read in some book about adultery and murder rising out of a person's heart when you KNOW it's not true. You're stretching and reaching more than Richard Simmons What you feel you are experienencing Information overload? No, because I'm not going to take ON the load. I asked for specific examples that prove your point and I'm not going to read any article you present that does NOT provide them. Your world view being challenge is overwhelming? No, but wasting my time is a bit frustrating. Inflicting or causing pain on yourself or another is intolerable. So when a woman has a baby, is that "intolerable"??? It clearly states Personality and Memory.... Look up Personality and Memory? Post your text and link Does it prove that evil thoughts, theft, murder, and adultery comes from the hearts of men??? If not, then I'm not wasting my time on it. The heart is the organ of circulation...plain and simple. No....it is not It is also apart of endocrine system.... What do you mean "no it's not"??? It absolutely IS an organ that circulates the blood around the body.

I don't now. But many Black people actually DO expect them to be different because they are people of color who also experience racism themselves from White people. A lot of us mistakenly believed that that experience would give them more understanding and empathy. Take a look (listen) at this audio of Black experiences with Latino racism out in California:

Troy I don’t debate or argue with people about their religious beliefs, as they have nothing to do with reason or logic it’s a matter of faith. Your denial of multiple races is right up there with them, because it's a matter of WISHFUL THINKING. You think racism comes from people being separated and categorized into racial categories. It wouldn't matter WHAT you called yourself, White folks would still treat you the same. I tried a reason with you about the issue of race, but I’m beginning to see it’s a matter of faith with you as well. Man...... Still. do you believe the Earth is flat? NO Why don't you ask the resident Bible Believer that question? You may be surprised at the answer. Oh I forgot, the ONLY reason you participate in this discussion is to point out how "wrong" I am on separate races...lol. frankster Whatever reason or excuse you want to use…. Whenever you are ready to resume…… Hopefully I am still around… With what you're smoking...you ain't getting off the couch anytime soon, lol. I enjoy our discussion And I also enjoy @Troy and @ProfD participation. I enjoy their participation too...as long as they show a degree of fairness. If I make a good point, they acknowledge it. If you make a good point, they acknowledge it. That's fair. Don't sit back and be silent at everything YOU say for three weeks but then when I say something he disagrees with NOW he gets involved in the discussion and links up with you to "do battle" against the issue. Also, don't demand something of me and when I provide it...you ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. You and Troy operate out of the same "denial" play book. No matter how many articles I provide that CLEARLY prove what I'm saying, yall just ignore it and focus on some mundane irrelevant part of the article dealing with culture or ethnicity. That shit gets old man. How are we supposed to gain any ground and make progress in the discussion if I present CLEAR proof of something and it's simple denied or ignored and the opposition continues???? I do respect Scriptures….as a source of Ancient Knowledge Lol...here we go again.

I actually want to extensively visit Nigeria before going to South Africa or Ghana. It's Africa's largest nation and unlike South Africa or Northern African countries....pretty much all Black. Most Nigerians that I've met here and in Europe were pretty smart and industrious so I want to see how developed their nation is.

frankster Science seems to disagree and is aligning with ancient knowledge.... Did you read the link I provided? Did the "link you provided" state that murder, adultery, and evil thoughts come from the heart? If not, why would I read something that's irrelevant to the discussion? I read material all day long, I don't need more shit to just sit up and read for the sake of reading. If it's not relevant to what I'm focusing on....why? You are causing pain damage and harm....thats intolerable. Plenty of people tolerate pain, damage and harm. Do you break down and cry or go crazy when you cut yourself or have a tooth ache? So are you now saying..... tolerance has limits I don't have to say it...it's clearly understood. That was never an issue. The issue is you seem to not understand when tolerance ends and violence begins. You both being schooled today. The heart is a muscle. Who on here hasn't heard of "muscle memory"???? it does not have to .. Yes it DOES, in order for it to be proof of YOUR assertion that it backs up ancient teachings. If ancient teachings claim that evil thoughts, theft, murder, and adultery comes from the hearts of men....then your article needs to plainly and clearly state that. The idea of heart having a brain is not new . The stomach and digestive system itself is said to be the "second brain" in human beings. Why didn't the "ancient teachings" speak on that? Infact, ALL the cells in the body have a certain amount of "consciousness" to them...not just the cells of the heart. The heart is the organ of circulation...plain and simple. You want to take it and MAKE it something other than what it is to MAKE it fit into your scriptural/religious beliefs.

There is no "pending" race war. There's been an ON GOING race war for thousands of years so far. Ever since they emerged out of the caves of the Caucasus Mountains Caucasians have strived to conquer people of color and dominate and rule over them. They may call themselves by different names. They may claim different religions. They may speak different languages. But the end goal and results are the same.....them on top of the society and you on the bottom.

Don't forget that many Latinos are White and tend to be just as racist as non-Latino Whites it not more. Many White Latinos....especially Cubans in southern Florida....routinely support Trump and the Republican Party. They tend to be racist against other non-White Latinos.

Time out. Hold up. Troy I don't think you're being fair in your participation of this discussion. You pop in and out of it at your convenience and ONLY to take shots at my position. I love discussing and debating with my brother....frankster....but he's a straight up Bible thumper; yet despite his scriptural/biblical views NOT ONE line of his has been criticized by you. You're quiet as a church mouse and pretend like you don't even see what he's typed, but then turn around and zero in on MY position that there is more than one race and fight it tooth and nail. You pop in...pop out....pop in...take a shot...pop out...chime in to take a shot again....disappear. You ask for proof that there are multiple races. I give it to you in the form of articles and links to journals. You either ignore the part I highlight and focus on some other part of the journal having little to do with the discussion OR you simply stop posting and I don't hear from you on the subject until months later when it comes up again. You only chime in to instigate against my position because you simply don't like the idea of their being more than one race. I'm a "flat earther" or believing in multiple races but frankster who believes IN the Bible...is not? Seriously???? It doesn't matter how many good points I make....you IGNORE them. No matter what evidence is presented to you you WILL NOT accept it...and you know it. You are NOT being fair and you are openly displaying your bias. frankster I'm suspending my participation in this discussion UNTIL Troy decides he wants to be FAIR and not pop in to hit a lick and throw a punch then duck back out into the crowd.

Troy What was South African society like? Was it Westernized like Europe or the U.S.? Lately, since Trump has brought those White Afrikaners over here I've been looking at more videos of life in South Africa and watching quite a few videos like these: Nice malls and beaches full of beautiful women....lol. That just may be the first African country I end up visiting.

Did the link you provided state that evil thoughts, murder, adultery, and theft come from the heart? If not....what are we discussing here????

People can say what they like, but FBAs are one of the few groups on this planet who are PROUD not to be White and go out of our way to differentiate ourselves and our culture from that of the White population. Others notice this at school and at work. While others compete with eachother to imitate Whites, we go out of our way to stand apart.....it's very attractive. I've noticed time and time again that while Whites will try to move away from other people of color who try to imitate and cozy up to them, when it comes to Black Americans who stand 10 toes down doing OUR thing...they will go out of their way to imitate and get along with US!