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Well put.....as usual. I'm not sure if most people believe me when I tell them that I didn't learn ANYTHING in school. Academically, what I know....I was either taught by my Mother or I learned on my own later on when I LEFT school. Even what I learned DURING my school years wasn't taught by the schools themselves, but either by my Mother who helped me with my homework OR me figuring it out on my own.

ProfD It's the American way. Businesses around the world have learned from the United States government that all you have to do is CRY and PRETEND to be "broke" or better yet invent some boogie man that you supposedly "owe" a lot of money to. That way you can reap all of the profits and revenue you like and spend it on what you WANT to spend it on, but as soon as your employees or citizens ask for raises or better benefits, you can point to your "debt" or these mysterious "debtors" you allegedly owe money to as an excuse to not break them off any bread. Most people can't buy food, cars, and houses when they are just BROKE...let alone broke AND in debt. But the government and various government services like schools will claim to be broke and out of funds for this and that, but still operate. The school district is too "broke" to provide toilet paper and pens to their students, yet can come up with millions build porcelain sculptures of some naked white man in front school administrations building...lol.

frankster Natural is still Nature....be it super or any other form. Supernatural doesn't mean a superior FORM OF Nature. It means BEYOND Nature. It's no longer in the Realm of Nature. The Brain Doesn't the Brain and the Mind work together?

frankster in simply words....a set of traits equal a phenotype. I Never said a trait were or was equal to phenotype Did anyone quote you as saying "equal to"??? In the USA today they would not be considered white....Arabs are not considered white neither are light skinned Indians White isn't really a race, white is a COLOR. You have African Albinos who are "white" in color. The race is technically called: CAUCASIAN. Most Arabs and Indians are considered CAUCASIAN racially. Are you saying Arabs are really White/Caucasians? Arab is an ethnic group that includes both Caucasian, African, and various admixtures of the two. Some are Caucasian, others are not. The original Arabs were Caucasian. Most racist whites would disagree...with them being of the same race as Arabs and Indians Most racist whites are IGNORANT as hell. Who cares what they think or would "agree" with? Just like I could care less about their dumb ass "one drop" rule. If you mixed....What are you? Mixed. Those ethnic groups of peoples called Indians are not African..... They are descendants of Africans and some are mixed with Africans from before Columbus arrived in the Americas. If everyone comes from Africa...as you claim...then can't that be said about EVERY human being who arrived in the Americas....including Columbus and his crew?

For the same reason the United States is allegedly "in debt" but is still fully operating like nobody's business...lol. Same reason many of the companies out there claim to be in the red....and have been so for years...but some how manage to keep operating. And what reason is that? Because people are LYING about their true financial status. On top of that........ Most public transit systems get federal grants allocated to them. MTA is probably getting MILLIONS of federal dollars free money, as well as millions from the STATE of New York and the CITY of New York....to maintain operations; so they aren't just relying on tokens from old ladies and niggas who decide to be nice and pay their fare and not jump turn-styes at subway stations....for their revenue.

umbrarchist How is accounting more advanced than trigonometry? I'm not sure, but did I answer your question? I agree that it is more practical and that is why everyone should know it. It is mostly just addition and subtraction with a little multiplication for interest rates. I believe everybody who WANTS to know it and CAN learn it...should. I don't believe in mandating it in general studies; but that doesn't just only go for math but for other subjects like literature, science, etc.. I'd make sure everybody who isn't legally retarded learn the basics as well as certain other life skills like proper bathing and washing your hands. After that....say around 14 or 15.....you could drop out of school and pursue other goals (or no goal if that's your choice) OR continue your education as far as you like for free. And even if you drop out...if you get the desire later on...you can always come back and continue your education; again...for free. As long as you show the capacity to learn. But not everybody has the same passion for learning. I don't believe in forcing somebody who doesn't want to learn to just occupy a seat and frustrate the teacher "just because".

frankster By the definition of God Being Omnipresent and Omniscient... Only Nature fits those characteristic How does nature fit the characteristic of being "Omnipresent" when there is the SUPER-natural Realm? "Super-natural" means above and beyond nature. Look up any word in the dictionary most will have several meanings. Yes, but unlike some of YOUR made-up definitions...in the dictionary those meanings usually: 1. Make sense 2. Don't contradict eachother. It is not wrong but incorrect unless it is a part of foreplay So you're saying a man who inserts his penis in an ear to make a baby is NOT wrong. Ok. Thanks for making that clear. Yes ...it was evil No... it should not have been fought. Yet it was necessary....necessary evil ...and this, from a man who says evil doesn't exist. Because according to him NOTHING exists outside of good. Ok, gotcha. It was necessary because the peoples involved were unable to settle their differences peacefully....change is a constant The same goal could have been reach peacefully. You just said they were UNABLE to settle their difference peacefully. Then you say they COULD have settle them peacefully. Ok. Evil does not exist....you thinking and behavior gives it the apparent force of existence. Oh, evil does NOT exist....it only "appears" to? Man's interpretation of Scripture and Nature So you're going by a man's interpretation of what GOD allegedly said? I was looking for a more sound explanation, but....it is what it is I guess. Ok. If so then you must believe God exist? Yes sir, I believe that GOD exists. Exactly it is not sensorial No, I'm asking you a question. What do human beings use to process what their sensory organs detect?

frankster Maybe you should read that again. What did I miss about what you said? If you're talking about the blue eyes as opposed to green eyes, I saw that already but still included in my rebuttle because it rides along the same principle of you originally not considering those as "traits" and then later on admitting it. No....They look primarily South Asian as in Indian and Middle Eastern as in Arabic than European to me You're talking about region and ethnicity, and I'm talking about RACE. See, this is why understanding the reality of RACE is so important. Because Caucasians (as a race) spread abroad and conquered and occupied many lands. If you're ignorant to the concept of race, then you could see a Caucasian oppressor in India whom you call "Aryan" and think him totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in the United States whom you call a "white man" who is totally different than the Caucasian oppressor in Africa whom you'll call "Arab" They are all the same RACE...with different NAMES and slightly different CULTURES. But they all have the same mentality....steal the land and oppress the darker skinned inhabitants they find dwelling in them. I accept the idea that they came from Africa as fact You can "accept" whatever you like. Doesn't make it true or a fact. If a cat has kittens inside an oven, you can "accept" them as being biscuits. Doesn't make it true. I am saying many Africans were there when Columbus arrived...... Maybe even more than so called Native American I thought you said that the Native Americans WERE Africans??? No I am not saying they are Africans...at they time of Columbus they were very mixed with African... Huh????

umbrarchist Why do you associate Accounting and STEM. S.T.E.M. is an acronym for: Science Technology Engineering Mathematics Accounting is a more advanced and practical form of Mathematics It usually also involves the latest forms of Technology.

ProfD There's no shortage of STEM students in the US. Engineering, science and math are solid here. If you look at most of those who are EXCELLING (not just sitting up in class occupying a seat) in math and science; a very large percentage are either immigrant students or students who are children of immigrants. Remove THAT factor, and I wonder what the STEM enrollments would look like. Also, there's never a shortage of people well versed in accounting/finance sitting in offices and cubicles typing away on computers generating spreadsheets of data. Same as above. Remove the first and second generation immigrant employees and see how many of those are FBA or White Americans. IMO, the US needs to bring back trade schools and manufacturing jobs. We need more people who can build and repair things and capable of producing tangible goods and providing services. I absolutely agree 100%! We don't need more white collar jobs, we need more good paying blue collar jobs with benefits. I keep telling people I grew up in Detroit where I saw men without highschool educations come up from down South, get jobs in factories, and were able to buy houses, new cars every 5 years, and even send their children to college from those factory jobs. Bruthaz were able to support 2 families with one job...lol. Took care of his wife and kids AS WELL as a girlfriend and the children he had by her on the other side of town...lol. They got rid of those jobs and told everybody to go to college, and the city collapsed.

frankster Show where I said blue eyes and nappy hair was a phenotype? Lol, have you forgotten your own statements so soon? If Africa is the birthplace of humanity....then my point has been proven - All original peoples were black as in African...Runoko Rashidi Humans are Indigenous only to Africa....they migrated from Africa to all over the globe You are saying the Aryans came from the Caucasus mountains....I am saying they were indigenous to Iran Why did i say they were indigenous to Iran....because that is where the word/term Aryan Originated - it simply means noble civilize and city dweller. The people from the Caucasus were not city dwellers but nomadic tribes men or herds men/horsemen ....nor were they considered civilize or noble. In other words Aryan represented the Aristocracy of Iran....it was not a race tribe or ethnicity - they were sedentary agriculturalist A German racist name Max Muller wanted to find a way to prove his racist ideology created the Aryan race/invasion as opposed to the Semitic race and Hamitic race as been the progenitors of European civilization where in some of his followers or those who inspired him even said all the great achievement of humanity was done by people of Aryan blood peoples. I said that there are MILLIONS of people in Eastern Europe who look like those Aryans pictured above. I said if you disagree..then PROVE me wrong. So far you haven't, nor have you even attempted to. All of that other babble you typed up there is irrelevant to that point; however I do want to address something.... You said Aryans were named after the land they came from which was Iran. I thought it was the opposite.... I thought that Iran was named after THEM. Now back to me waiting on your providing proof or evidence to the contrary of my statement OR admitting you have none. So even those people of the Caucasus mountains came from somewhere and that was Africa. I agree...partially. Ofcourse those people of the Caucasus mountains had to come from somewhere. They didn't originate from there. They were DRIVEN up into the Caucasus mountains. ....but I'm not sure they came from Africa. Enough said...those are ones I am referring to. they were Africans based on words and metal assays etc Are you saying that the tan/brown people with straight black hair were Africans too?

Actually, you make a good point. Trying something out implies that if it becomes uncomfortable or you don't like it....you may quit it. I stand corrected on that one

frankster Yes Oh, so if you're making them up...and I figured you were....then that explains why they often contradict eachother. Because God is Nature How do you know THAT? How can that which was MADE by GOD...be "GOD" at the same time? Can a girl be her parents? Right and Wrong has to do with social and or religious values... More than that. Correct and incorrect has to do with proper way to do...in order to achieve success Yes Words often have similar means but not necessarily the same.... Right Right has to do with moral and ethics as in Righteousness....Rules - straight line Right Correct has to with in accordance with or proper way..Model - straightened line Now, you're starting to mess up again...lol. You've already laid out what "correct" meant...and I agreed. Leave it alone. Don't start adding other babble to it. I said as foreplay it is fine....it is not wrong just incorrect. Foreplay is the prelude to sex Not sure what all of that extra information is for, but for the THIRD TIME: I said, "a man who inserts his penis in an ear to make a baby is wrong." Now do you have any information that contradicts this or proves it incorrect? Yes Ok, so that's your position. That the U.S. Civil War was evil. Do you believe it should have been fought? The Ends That wars achieve never justify the Means..... Wars are sometimes necessary....they remain evil If the ends doesn't justify the means, how could it be "necessary"? What would make something "necessary" if not the end goal? The Question as to whether or not Shadows exist....is relevant Here are the Characteristic/Aspect of Evil as I first describe then...keep things in context WAIT There IS NO "characteristics/aspects" of Evil....because according to you it DOESN'T EXIST. If evil is the absence of good and nothing exists outside of good then evil doesn't exist to have any characteristics or aspects. 'nuff said. All that other jive should be irrelevant, lol. After the creation God said it was Good..... How do you know this? Are thoughts Real? Absolutely From our perspective: feeding a hungry man a chicken dinner is Good. Not necessarily From our perspective: it must be or seems Evil to or for the chicken that was dinner. Not necessarily either. War is an orgy of death and destruction.....death and destruction is considered evil - true or false? According to YOU evil doesn't exist, so death and destruction should NOT be considered evil. Race doesn't exist....but it affects you nevertheless - especially since you believe it is Real Race absolutely exists. It's a biological fact that dictionaries, encyclopedias, languages around the planet, and science itself recognizes....even if YOU don't, lol. No....It can not make sense - it is not Sensory It is of Mind What do humans use to process what their sensory organs detect?

Because it's an ACTION. A PRACTICE. And like any other PRACTICE..... Martial Arts practice, Cheer Leading practice, Medical practice, Legal practice.....you must TRY it in order to PRACTICE it.

umbrarchist Do you have any reaction/thoughts on mandatory accounting/finance in the schools? I hadn't thought about it until you brought it up because I didn't know it was a consideration in schools today. However in my opinion....accounting, financial responsibility and any type of higher mathematics shouldn't be MADATED. Not in public schools at least. Why not? 1. Most people in society aren't smart enough to sufficiently comprehend much of it anyway. Which is why the United States and most other Western nations have to constantly scour the planet looking for STEM students in other countries to fill the empty seats in their universities, if they want to keep them open. 2. Most people aren't disciplined enough to practice it or apply it even IF they learned it Don't get me wrong.... I understand the importance of it and absolutely believe it should be FREE and AVAILABLE to all who desire to learn it. It just shouldn't be mandated. And to be totally honest...and I lot of people won't like what I'm about to type...but in this economy we NEED financially irresponsible people to keep it going.

frankster No problem....traits are a subset of phenotype. Even within families individuals having differing traits Lol... Instead of just saying "OK" and moving on, why do you feel the need to add a bunch of unsolicited information into the mix? Chasing down bad information with good information doesn't correct the problem unless you first admit it was bad in the first place. First you said that nappy hair and green eyes are traits, NOT phenotypes. After being corrected....instead of admitting your mistake....you start babbling and uttering a bunch of useless information that barely pertains to the subject. Come on bro...lol...you're better than that. No... My research is telling me that all peoples all over the world looked like Africans and originated in Africa. Ok I said, "There are MILLIONS of Europeans in Eastern Europe who look just like those pictured above." Your response was: When you can show me where anatomically modern human beings originated anywhere else but Africa?...then i will do more research. All my research points to Africa as the birth place of man...so all of mankind's home is Africa. What has ANY of this got to do with my statement that you can find MILLIONS of Europeans who look those pictured above? I'm not sure about the "back to Africa" points you're trying to make but my question are.... Can you prove my statement wrong? Do you have proof or strong evidence to the contrary? Maybe not their homes....but their homeland You said people originated from Africa. So it's NOT their homeland....Africa is. Columbus in his diary describe the locals he met in such a manner that to our knowledge could only be an African....And he was not the only one to describe them as such. Huh???? Columbus met people of different colors and other phenotypes when it arrived in the Americas. Some we tan with straight shiny black hair. Some were dark brown with kinky hair. That's different than suggesting that the people he saw when he first arrived here were Africans.

At this point, I'd take entertainment over religion.

umbrarchist affecting Yeah. You and Cynique really belong together...lol. Is that why there are so many homeless people? I don't recall this in the 90s, or is that sarcasm I see before me. You're right. There are far more homeless people on the streets today than in the past, but it has nothing to do with the national debt. There are a list of reasons: 1. The population of the United States in general is higher today than it was in the 90s so the factors that lead to homelessness could remain the same and you'd still see more homeless people on the street. 2. More people are suffering from substance abuse (which often leads to mental illness and homelessness) today than in the 90s. Not just in sheer numbers but a higher percentage of the population. 3. Wages for service industry and manufacturing jobs haven't kept up with the costs of living....especially when it comes to real estate...since the 90s. On top of that, many of the U.S. citizens have been DISPLACED from service industry and manufacturing jobs and REPLACED with illegal immigrants. 4. More and more mental institutions that used to house mentally ill people have closed since the 90s dumping more people on the streets. 5. If there is anything good about the privatization of prisons, the good thing would be if you can't work....the prisons don't want you and will often find reasons to kick you out and set you free so they don't have to take care of you. A lot of people have been dumped out of the prisons and jails and on to the streets since the 90s.

Did you try it out to see if it worked?

This so-called "debt" is a joke. It's now over $35 Trillion and growing...... With NO PLANS to pay it off or even pay down on it...lol. People (especially the Republicans) have been running around like Chicken Little screaming and crying about the debt and how the world is going to come to an end and the economy is going to collapse for 40 years or more...and it hasn't happened YET. It's not even effecting the economy. Our economy is stronger TODAY than it was 40 or 50 years ago.

I don't know about the "7 deadly sins", but according to the Bible LUST is condemned. However, as stated earlier...I don't believe in this. Many people who practice the "7 deadly sins" are still living while people who abstained from them have died. Also, there are many lustful and horny people who enjoy good health, plenty of sex, plenty of money, well up into old age. What evidence is there that GOD is displeased with them? It all makes sense when you realize that most of this DID NOT come from The Divine but from the thinking and hands of other human beings.

It IS laughable when you know there's so many people out there like YOU trying to divide us....lol.

frankster Nappy hair and green eyes are traits not phenotypes. Traits are details or characteristics of phenotypes. No....my Research says they are indigenous to the area... If your research are telling you that the ancestors of people who look like this: ....are "indigenous" to Africa, then you need to do MORE research...lol. None of these people look White or even European..... Yes their skin is paler than the average Indian or African.... There are MILLIONS of Europeans in Eastern Europe who look just like those pictured above. Do more research. All Africans are not of the same Nation.....And people do visit their homeland Come on man, now you're playing word games. You know people don't VISIT their HOMES...lol. If America was the home of these Africans....why do so many of us still refer to them as "Africans"? And where did the brown skinned people with straight hair that were here by the millions...where did THEY come from? Troy You really went out on a limb with that statement. Of all the pictures you showed, only 2 people stood out with OBVIOUSLY GREEN eyes. The others pictures were harder to make out. And of those two, neither look natural. Especially the brother with the dreads. How do we know those are their natural green eyes and that they aren't using contact lenses? BTW.... What kind of un-informed people are going around the internet making statements like: "I"m not mixed...I'm African American" Most Africans ARE mixed. Half of the people in those pictures look mixed....lol.

ProfD Very well put. I'm sorry bro but I don't think that was well put at all. I think it was DOUBLE TALK, because if you put it in the context of his OTHER statements on the concept of evil...it doesn't make sense. Statement 1. Evil = Absence of Good Statement 2. There is NOTHING outside of Good (which means nothing exists outside of good) Statement 3. Wars ARE evil (but a necessary one) How can wars (or anything else) be evil when evil...according to him...doesn't exist? Make that make sense to me.

Umbrarchist Some powerful organization that does not have the slightest problem with killing people as though they were flies. Who wants to deal with that? I don't....lol. Which is why I said in my earlier post: "If I were to PROVE it somehow....then what? What could I do about it or even prevent ANOTHER from happening, if they wanted to pull it off again???" I can ponder on a lot of things, however I'd rather focus my physical energy on solving problems I actually have a good chance of SOLVING and doing something about.