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ProfD Facts that one can't really ague with! However.......... Sometimes the proof is in the pudding. If I make a speech or give a talk and at the end a White man opens his wallet or a White woman digs into her purse and gives us a $100 bill in support of whatever agenda we're pushing and then walks away....what am I to make of that? I'm going to HAVE to logically conclude that they were sincere supporters UNLESS or UNTIL proven otherwise. Even Mr.Fuller himself says that you actually should go and ask White folks for help because THEY are actually in the position TO help you.....lol. Keep on asking for help until you get it! So whatever game they were playing, as long as they were giving us support and even some on city councils and county boards were helping us with certain policies and issues and even some White police officers helped us in certain things......whatever game they were playing....it helped. However trust me, I totally understand your point and we shouldn't let our guard down or be suckered in by a few trinkets and benefits a White person MAY be using as bait.

I mentioned in a couple of threads how when I got into politics I would get on the microphone and go to meetings cussing, shouting, and criticizing White folks, the system, racism, and a host of other things. And to my surprise (when I first started doing it) a lot of White folks LOVED it and would come up to me after the meeting or rally and shake my hand or have a conversation with me and many of them would give me or whatever organization I was in at the time money. I'm not talking about money with an agenda attached to it....although I did get those offers as well. I mean digging in their purse and just handing me $100 or $50 or sometimes $400 and say "I hope this helps your cause" and I wouldn't see them again! It seemed the more Pro-Black and uncompromising I got, the more SOME (not all or even most but definitely some) White folks loved it! I began to think that maybe they thought I was just putting on a show or being comical...is THAT why they would smile and clap??? If I'm quoting Malcolm X or Marcus Garvey and telling Black folks to get up and take over the politics of the city or county......why would WHITE FOLKS of all people applaud for that?????? Like Joe Pesci in that movie Good Fellas....did they find me "entertaining" or something????? "What? Do you think I'm some sort of comedian, here for your entertainment? Do I make you laugh? Do I amuse you or something????" Ofcourse some were spies trying to monitor and gather information, but some you could tell really liked to hear me call out the city council or country board and call them liars and racist collaborators and etc....lol. What I found out later was that a LOT of White folks...especially those who were activists from the 60s and 70s were ANGRY and DISAPPOINTED at how docile and complacent so many AfroAmericans had become since that time. Many of them put THEIR careers and even their LIVES on the line protesting and fighting and fell out with their own family members back in the day expecting a "Black Revolution" and for AfroAmericans to be the new future of this nation; so when so many of our people turned to drugs, crime, and many of them just hooked up with the Democrat and Republican party and basically JOINED the Establishment....many of the TRUE White liberals got angry. Many of them actually become angry, racist, and bitter towards.....you guessed it....BLACK FOLKS! That's right. A lot of former liberals and hippies turned into old bitter racists because they didn't see the fire and passion Black folks used to have back in the 60s and 70s. They felt betrayed.

I've said time and time again but I'm not sure if people are listening.....lol. We can give OURSELVES Reparations! There are enough Black folks in Congress and in executive and legislative positions around this nation that if we were unified we didn't have to sit around begging White folks to do "studies" and understand the importance of remedying Slavery. All we had to do is just figure out what we want and sit down and whip up a bill and push it and push it until it's passed. Think that couldn't happen? Trust me.....there are MILLIONS of White folks and Latinos who would support something like that just out of curiosity and in hopes that THEY TOO may be able to pull off something like that themselves. They'd support us with the expectation that we'd support some of their initiatives. In another thread I talked about how I started getting into political activism in my 30s and got some things passed and people put in office. I would get on the microphone at rallies and meeting and CUSS OUT White folks and talk about racism and injustice and to my surprise a lot of White folks....even older ones...came up to me to shake my hand for "telling it like it is". A lot of them from the 60s and 70s are actually dismayed at how DOCILE so many Black folks have become.

I agree that they could be considered "AfroAmerican"....meaning an American of African descent. Prince, Steph Curry, Lisa Bonet and many other non-Blacks fit THAT category. But to be considered "Black"....that's a different story all together. The standard is higher because for me genetics and phenotype are involved.

The reason the Black population in most of those nations you mentioned have Carnivals is because most of those nations are Catholic or Anglican and many of the African indigenous religious rituals their enslaved Ancestors were strategically chosen to be practiced along side the Catholic rituals in order to mask them. Kind of like how elements of Haitian Voodoo incorporated or paralleled certain Catholic rituals in order to mask it from Whites. I mentioned several times on this site that in our ancient world before White people colonized and imposed their religions on the darker original people of the planet....we actually had PUBLIC SEX rituals and orgies where every adult in the community would come out and have sex with eachother. People didn't see it as wrong or evil. Caucasians made sex an "evil" to them but it was not evil to us. The various Carnival rituals you see where women are walking around nearly naked is a tribute to that.

I can proudly say that YES in a particular city that I USED TO live in, my support for particular candidates DEFINITELY made differences. First of all a GROUP of us got together and organized to focus on politicians who were already in office on both the city and county level AND we helped get a few elected to the county position. We had an agenda and we pushed it and although EVERYTHING we asked for wasn't pushed through, a lot was. I didn't even know I had it in my to do some of what I and we did because I started in my 30s out of necessity along with others in my group. But CERTAIN PARTS of the system actually does work. You have to do more than just get off the couch...vote....and plop your ass back down on the couch, lol. You have to STAY ACTIVE in what's going on in your local politics and keep pushing and promoting your agenda and funding it and raising money to give the people you put in office. Don't expect people to just do things for absolutely nothing. Niccaz are good for that..... Expecting all types of free goodies in the bag and ain't contributed a damn dime and won't even show up to the meetings or rallies but then turn around and get mad at the politicians for selling them out. "Mayne........... Dem butter biscuit eating niggaz done went downtown and SOLD us out! See, that's why I'm go vote for Trump....Trump my guy now...shit."

Oh I agree that they can easily be classified as "non-White". But that don't mean they can bring their ass around MY neighborhood with that: "Yo...yo...whaddup bro! We down and we bossin' !" ...shit. And think I'M going to embrace them as "one of us"....lol. There's a whole lot of negroes out there willing to accept ANYBODY with a slight tan and some curl to their hair as "Black"....but I'm not one of them. If you want ME to accept you as a Black man/woman you better LOOK like one.....every day...clothes on AND naked, lol.

Well, seeing as how you can "predict time" (still trying to nail that one down...lol) it would seem that you'd have MORE than just a "bit" of time on your hands to spare....lol. But, exactly what did I post that didn't "make sense" to you? My opinion that you don't sound like the typical New Yorker that I've come across????

Two of MY grand parents were fully women. That doesn't make ME a woman does it?

I WOULDN'T call them a "Black" person.........lol.

Remember that the ORIGINAL people of both Europe and Asia (really Europe is just the western end of Asia) were Black people. White people DROVE the original Black people off of their lands in both Europe and Asia when they were let loose from the mountains. Scientists tell the story a different way by saying "cro-magnon" came through and killed off the Grimaldi and other ancient humans they came across as they traversed the land.

I love this post for a number of reasons, however it lines up with what I said about 15 minutes earlier than this post! Check the time of my post...it wasn't edited at all and I posted that the original people OF the area now known as the Caucasus were an original people who were various shades of Black and Brown. However they weren't the same as the Colchian people of what you rightly identify as coming from Egypt/Kemet. By the way...... I TOLD you that Moses and his people were sent up from Kemet TO the Caucasus on a mission....lol...didn't I? Well before that, Black men from Kemet and other ancient civilizations were sent in large battallions to surround the Caucasus region and keep the White folks CONFINED in those mountains after they were driven in and they stayed there thousands of years forming communities. The Colchian people (among others) were the DESCENDANTS! ( @ProfD......lol) of those people.

Chev I'd love to view your research to help piece these puzzles together. A few points to make....... It is my understanding that the original Sumerians weren't Chaldeans but a group of Black folks who called themselves "Ug Saggiggas" or Black Headed people. Seems to me there must have been some White folks around for them to distinguish themselves with a name like that...LOL. It is also my understanding that like you said there is a difference between the Original people OF what is now called the Caucasus mountains - and the Caucasians themselves. I agree, the 2 are not the same. Just like there is a difference between the original Arabs (who were Caucasian) and the Original people OF the peninsula of Arabia who were Black. The Original people of the mountains of Central Asia were various shades of Black and Brown and had been there for thousands of years. In fact, it wasn't CALLED the "Caucasus Mountains" until the Caucasians were confined in there and THEN the name was changed to reflect their presence. On top of that..... When the Caucasians were driven up into those mountains, battalions of Black soldiers were sent up to surround those mountains and "seal" them in to keep them from escaping into the Black civilizations. They are the "angels" or "watchers" referred to in the Book of Enoch. They are the "Cherubim" referred to in the Book of Genesis who guarded the way after Adam was driven out. They are also ancestors of the Colchian people referred to in Herodotus'' works and other ancient works mentioning the Black Ethiopians of the Caucasus.

I wouldn't talk against a PROPER Reparations package. But what I WOULD rally against a "California Type" Reparations offer that would give each Black person a measly $10,000 check in exchange for agreeing that it would be the FINAL compensation allotted to Black folks period and would close the lid on all Reparations talk -in the words of Dr. Umar Johnson: "FOR GOOOOOOOOOOD!" Lol. What we need is Reparations....but what they want to offer is Hush Money.

However lets be real about this...... When the Jews and Japanese got their Reparations they KNEW what to do with it. They have plenty of thriving businesses not only in Japan and Israel but in the United States and around the world. Ofcourse we deserve HUNDREDS of times more of what they got, but the wisest of White folks could easily ask the question like Jayo Felony asked: "I can give it to ya but what you gonna do with it?" Would we be able to do atleast HALF of what Israel and Japan is doing with the money they're getting from the U.S.? Or would most of it go into weaves, weed, liquor, vehicles, back child support, and court fees? What are we doing with the money that we DO have at our disposal like the over 1 trillion dollars flowing through our community -as a gauge of how wisely we'd spend and invest our Reparations money? * Or should any of that even matter...... Just shut up, cut the check, and let each Black man, woman, and child decide for THEMSELVES what they want to do with THEIR money.

Chev You...like I used to....are using the Biblical table of nations found in Genesis after the Flood to distinguish the various ethnic groups and their origins and relations. I have reason to believe that most of these nations and ethnicities were already in existence and named before the allegedly Flood took place....if it actually did. Phoenicians is a generic name for the mixed up inhabitants of the Levant area which was formerly known as Kena'an. The original peoples of that land were Kena'ani but later on the Sea People known in the Bible as Philistines came and mixed in with the people. Together they both are known as Phoenicians. As far as the Chaldeans........... Yes, the ones in Michigan I grew up seeing were primarily Arab/Caucasian. What stood out about them the most were the fact that unlike most of the other Arabs I saw, they were predominately Christian. I later did research on them and realized that they were among the first Caucasians of that land (northern Iraq) before the Arabs came up and colonized much of it. Ancestors of the Akkadians. Interesting information on California!

Chev The God of the Exodus also judged the Egyptians due to White Supremacy, therefore, he would never send Moses from Egypt to teach Caucasians. That's completely insane The God of the Biblical Exodus is Yahoowah/Yahweh. The REAL Exodus took place when the Caucasians (known commonly as the Sea People) went into the Black lands and caused trouble among them and were rounded up, and driven out through Palestine and past Syria up into the mountains of Central Asia where that mountain range was named after them. They didn't TRY to leave from being held captive...they were DRIVEN out for making mischief and causing the people to fight one another. They were also know as the Children of Yacub. Yacub was known as Jacob. In the Bible Jacob was known as Israel.

Now.....what are "white asians"????

I'm by far no scholar but I have read a few books on both Sufism and Gnosticism. Sufism seems to focus more on the spiritual aspects of Islam more so than the ritualistic aspects like prayer, marriage, laws, ect. Gnosticism seems to point one TOWARDS logic and philosophy but it still stays within the boundaries of the Euro-Christian paradigm. One of the problems with religion is the FEAR TACTICS that are used to keep people from straying away too far from it. A man may set out on a journey to find the "truth" but if that true starts pointing him in a direction outside of the boundaries of the morals and ethics he grew up in and what his parents and society has taught him....sometimes what he THINKS is his conscience starts nagging him and pulling on him to turn around and come back home.

They should be but ofcourse many of them are struggling to stay in office and maintain their positions themselves and are barely thinking about the misfortunate and in many cases aren't thinking about them at all. Many Black folks in office are occupied trying to fend off and protect themselves from the racist assaults coming at them trying to remove them from power. This is one of the reasons I say Black folks in power need to start being more PRO-active rather than simply RE-active. Not only aggressively challenge racism but focus on building institutions for ourselves and getting things changed permanently so that we don't have to keep repeating the same shit over and over each generation. We should have about 10 Black governors already ready and willing to carry out OUR agendas. Instead of you have the likes of Abbott in Texas and DeSantized in Florida carrying on right-wing agendas.

ProfD Oh no, not choosing to cause destruction or harming other Black folks. I mean, just keeping quiet and getting paid. Not participating in the injustice yourself, but turning your head to it. Hell, if the system is so big and powerful and they aren't likely to bring an end to it anyway.....why waste so much of their valuable life TRYING to? This is a philosophical question by the way, lol. I remember many years ago I had a job driving trucks for a warehouse and one of my supervisors was an Italian dude who loved the Godfather saga and wanted to be a half-way gangster. I remember me and my partner bringing in some goods from the supplier to the warehouse and when we finished we went into an office to report it and saw that supervisor and another guy who got fired a week ago and had no business on the property both sitting in the room smoking cigars and pipes and counting HUGE stacks of money. I mean HUGE stacks! When we came in they stopped and looked at us and the Italian supervisor started grinning and waved and I immediately left the room and tried to drag my partner out but he just stood there with his eyes open...lol I snatched his goofy ass out the room and shut the door and while I was telling him to not say a word about what he just saw and he looking crazy and slobbering over how much money he saw -the supervisor came out of the room and called both of us back in. To make a long story short he wanted to buy us off and put us on his payroll that apparently some other dudes were on. I didn't accept...but I didn't report what I saw either. I just looked the other way. I've done that a lot....lol. Sometimes the wise thing to do IS to look in the other direction and don't try to be a hero or whistle if there is nothing to gain by it.

Well if THAT'S the case..... Wouldn't a Black person choosing to just go ahead and "sell out" and get some benefit out of the system, be a logical decision in some cases?

Not sure about other parts of the nation right now but in Michigan, they are tossing the elderly and sick prisoners OUT of the prison to die on the streets or in homeless shelters! You see droves and droves of ex-cons out on the street begging and patching together homeless camps to survive because the prisons don't want to pay for their healthcare and don't want them if they can't work.

richardmurray Well, logical thinking isn't necessarily a-religious in and of itself. But the only way to SINCERELY be apart of a religion is to be a fundamentalist in it. If you TRULY believe that your religion came from God....it would seem you would obey it down to it's finest detail and doctrine. So now if you are a LOGICAL thinker who examines all information that comes your way, then it would seem that this method of thinking would get in the way of believing and unquestionably accepting ALL of the doctrine of your particular religion that you believe came from God. .....unless a person was part of a religion that actually believe and accepts that their religion has mistakes in it and can use correction. I don't know of any religion like that.

Hadn't been in the military so I wouldn't know. I considered joining several times in my teens but I had an uncle who was in the military over in Vietnam and he warned me multiple times about the military and how they literally OWN you and can do all types of experiments on you with or without your permission because you are their "property". He believed many of his health problems stemmed from the time he served in the military. The fear of that kept me out.