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ProfD I didn't realize there was a debate. A low key one...lol. You believe the brother is gay, but I'm still on the fence leaning on the side that he's not but just shy and goofy. He could very well be, though.

frankster Do you know that she planned the attack before the race began? It doesn't matter. She committed the attack anyway. Do you know that Tyson planned the attack before the fight? It doesn't matter, he spit out his mouth piece....he planned it before he did it, that's for sure. On the other hand Tonya Harding attack was commissioned intentional deliberate and even premeditated....please note the difference. And in those notes... Please explain why it even matter? All 3 were intentional, regardless of the planning involved. Have you ever went to the store and bought something you didn't PLAN on buying? But you still bought it. Not by mistake...but on purpose and deliberately.

Do you mind if I send it to Senator Cory Booker? I want to check out his response.....lol. Me and @ProfD will settle this debate once and for all as to whether that brutha is "moist" or not.

I recently said in a dialog between me and our good brother ProfD, that White dudes often hang around Black men to learn some "swag" and how to talk to Black women. Which is one of the reasons I DON'T let them hang around...lol. They've already stolen enough. If they want to learn how to be cool, talk to women, how to dress, how to cut hair...learn from eachother. We've taught them enough already. But it made me think of something else.............. The other week I was talking to a young man (younger than me atleast....lol) at work about the amount of flirting that goes on between White men and Latina and African women. He actually pointed out 2 things to me that I hadn't paid attention to but when he did...as so often is the case...you start noticing them more and more. 1. He said that in his generation, the White men are more out going and go after them more than previous generations and many of them are trying mack hard on the women. 2. He said that in his generation, most of the Black men are either gay, soft acting, or just indifferent towards women. He said they simply don't chase after women like the older generation of men did. I started paying attention to those two things and noticed how correct he was in his observations. I also noticed that a lot of the younger White men were acting like Black men USED to act! A lot of us USED to walk and talk with a lot of swag and confidence.....but the media and even Black society DISCOURAGED a lot of the masculine and macho behavior Black boys exhibited. Many of the White boys picked it up and ran with it.

That's why I don't let White dudes hang around my space and in my circles unless there's a SPECIFIC PURPOSE for them doing it. Most of the time they only come around to steal as much knowledge as they can so they can use it to THEIR advantage by either making music or trying to get Black women. I peeped that game early. They'll hang around Black boys/men so they can learn what Black girls/women like and how to talk to them to attract them.

Meanwhile....... Since they feel that way about us anyway, perhaps we should use those feeling to OUR advantage.

Well if I'm BUYING it, obviously I've gotten somebody's permission....lol.

This is why I wouldn't have tried to colonized the people. I would just buy some LAND and cultivate it. The problem is, if the natives SEE that your land is doing good and prosperous...they're going to be crossing over to it on bikes and scooters and shit. Some will turn to out right squatting on it, others you have to drive away and build walls to keep out. Like my man said in Black Pather when him and Prince Ta'Challa were out walking and talking, When Ta'Challa suggested that maybe Wakanda should start bringing in refugees to help the world.... He said that when the refugees come in....their PROBLEMS come in with them. How DO you build a Successful Black nation and keep other Black folks from ruining it?

ProfD In Africa, *most* of them hold AfroAmericans in the same regard as and consider us white poeple. Funny you said that.... I presume you know that Muzungu is a White person in Swahili or some sort of East African language. I go back and forth with a lady in my apartment complex from Kenya. I jokingly accuse her of loving and sleeping with the "muzungu" men (she doesn't by the way). She calls ME a "muzungu -something" I forget the exact word...which means you're not quite White but means someone CLOSE to being a muzungu....lol. I asked her was it because I'm light skinned and she said no, she said they call MOST Black Americans that despite their complexion because of their behavior and proximity to White folks

I have a conspiracy theory about it. I think that when the racists saw how much the world LOVED Black America and our music and our voices and when Black men would go around the world and the women would almost worship them for how well they could sing and dance....the racists got jealous. It doesn't fit the "narrative" that the people are apes and subhumans....but have so much style, grace, such beautiful voices and so much rhythm and control and can move and sway a crowd so well. So they set out to do several things.... 1. Make fun of R&B and promote GANGSTA Rap, basically attempting to codify criminal behavior in AfroAmerican youth and send THAT image around the world 2. Silence that golden voice that people around the world feel in love with when they heard our people sing. Infact..... Before Autotunes...there was no competition...Black Americans had the best voices hands down. Nobody could compete. Thanks to Autotunes...everybody pretty much sounds the same.

ProfD Well, if it's true...no matter how extreme it might seem or sound, it can be valid and verified. As I said to Troy "90%" seems too "well rounded" of a figure to be accurate. If you asked a person for an accurate statistic on how many Black men are unemployed in their city and they looked at you with their eyes bucked and lips poked out and said, "Half of them! 50%" Even if you knew the unemployment rate was high, wouldn't you be a little suspicious of THAT figure? Aside from the figure itself....... To assign a number that high makes it look like you're embellishing it instead of being scientific about it. For example, American men own more guns and commit far more crimes than women by huge percentage. If someone quantified it at 90% or higher, very few people would bat an eyelash. If you said American men owned 90% of the gats; although that 90% number is a little too rounded off...I'd be inclined to agree given the almost natural relationship between men and weapons. If you said American men committed 90% of the crime....I'd have the same issue that I have with the pedo accusation. It's an extreme labeling that suggests embellishment. Infact, I wouldn't say that American men commit more OR less crime in general than American women. I really can't say WHO commits the most because men and women often commit DIFFERENT crimes in different ways.

ProfD Now, you're on some patriarchal sh8t in suggesting how someone else should *quantify* their statistics.🤣 Read 90% as *most* and keep it moving You can't because it's not the same. As I said, one is more EXTREME than the other. It's one thing to call D.C. "chocolate city" because MOST of it's residents are Black; but to claim 90% of it's residents are Black would be erroneous. As I said before, nobody is arguing that men....whether it's because of reporting and documentation or as an absolute fact...commit more acts of pedo than women. MOST MORE MAJORITY Like Nicky Barnes said in American Gangster -I like THESE terms better than "don't let me catch you" or "I insist"....lol....but they are simple yet accurate. 90% is an extraordinarily high number. When you say "all" or "the vast majority" or "90%", it's more "extreme" and suggests pathology for the group in question. Outside of the act itself being pathological...when you say 90% of a given crime occurs among ANY particular group (in this case being men) it makes THAT GROUP look pathological themselves.

ProfD True, but WE aren't White, Arab, or Chinese.....lol. They often have the complexion for the protection. When Africans see another Black men from the West, they often get jealous and angry and dislike you MORE than the Whites, Arabs, or Chinese because they wonder why and how did YOU get into that position. It's kind of like the hood where they'll let an Arab or Indian open up a store and sell their products all day long but if YOU open up one they'll be demanding all types of discounts and if you don't give it to them they're ready to shut it down and go somewhere else. But working with these governments WILL be necessary for any type of meaningful repatriation project.

But one is more "extreme" than the other. And to say "most" would pretty much be factual while assigning a particular percentage to it may be less accurate.

ProfD However, we should not allow mentally challenged people to reproduce. They should be sterilized. Damn.... What happened to "love" and "compassion" to make the world a better place -you usually talk about??????? LOL I don't necessarily disagree. However it depends on WHY they are mentally challenged and if it's acutally genetic. And depending on the severity of it we may have to look into WHO is having sex with and making babies WITH a person in that condition and whether or not they should be prosecuted. In this case, a benefit is a solution to a temporary condition. Again, public housing and welfare should not be a way of life. For some people, it HAS to be. They have no choice if they can't help themselves in any other way. Especially if they're too stupid to work or do a job correctly. The problem isntoo many people rely on it which makes them unproductive to society. While I agree, the problem is housing and welfare is NOT available to them...that will generate a host of OTHER problems. -more crime committed by more desperate people. -more homelessness because of lack of housing -increased incarceration rates for those who are lazy and/or desperate and WILL NOT work regardless of situation. I beleieve any able-bodied, able-minded man who cannot afford to take care of himself is better off dead. Man.....you cold blooded, lol.

Although I understand the reasoning behind it, I can already see the various problems that would come from telling a corrupt or unstable government how much money YOU have and have access to upon entering their nation.

ProfD Another great point..... Liberia would be an EXCELLENT study for FBA scholars just to just dive into what really happened. I'm very curious myself of what took place and how it came together...and how it fell apart.

It's the same thing with hearing a beautiful human voice LIVE. You can listen to somebody on vinyl for years, but something about listening to those sound waves emanating from their throats live and in person. Man..... Jodeci...LIVE and in person...lol. Faith Evans...LIVE and in person...lol. What's really sad to see among a lot of younger people today is listening to so much AUTOTUNES. They aren't used to hearing an actual human voice and the beauty of the vocal range. That shit sounds so robotic.

I don't think anybody in this particular discussion is arguing that. I'm not and I don't think Troy is. Infact, not just pedo but sex crimes in general are committed more by men in my belief. However 90% seems a little bit over the top, to me. It would be more accurate to say "most"....and leave it at that.

Troy but I was still question the 90% figure. I assume you pulled it from a reputable source "90 %" seems a little too "rounded" to be an accurate figure anyway...lol. 87% or even 91% would be more believable if it were anywhere close to that. frankster The difference is Tolerance.... Africans Tolerate Differences and Preserve Variety. -Does that look and sound like "tolerance" of differences, to you? Yes...until proven Your assertations remains unproven as a fact It is an anecdotal and personal observation....which mEANS it could be an isolated incident and or bias interpretation of the observation Don't confuse TRUTH with PROOF. I didn't ask you if providing a study or link was necessary for it to be PROVEN; I asked you is a link or study necessary for it to be TRUE. There's a difference between something being TRUE and it being PROVEN. Truth stands alone. Proof...depends on the satisfaction of the one you're trying to convince. For example..... I was born in the United States. That's TRUE. Now to PROVE it to YOU and CONVINCE you of this being true....requires more effort. But the TRUTH of my being born here remains, whether you believe it or not. Ya dig? Lied>>>> Explain to me how I "lied"??? What lie did I just tell?? No...you have an opinion on what you observed. You do not have enough information to generalize or state that your observation is a fact No, sir. What I actually observed was a FACT. Even if I'm the only one who knows it....it's still a fact. Now the CONCLUSION that I could draw from that observation may be an opinion but unless I was drunk or high, that observation remains a fact. Let me make both of my points in one illustration: If I see a man and woman walking down the block, it's a FACT that I saw them. It may not be a fact to YOU because YOU didn't witness it, but it's a fact to ME. The only way I can make it a fact to YOU is to PROVE it to you that they were doing it. Once I show you cell phone video of it and you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE it...then it's proven and a fact to you. But because I saw it...it's a fact to ME regardless of what you or anybody else thinks. Now.... That observation of seeing them was an actual FACT. The CONCLUSION of who they were, how they relate to eachother, why they were together...one can speculate all day. That's where the opinions and errors start. But the FACT that they were walking together...for whatever reason...remains. Estas Comprendes Ahora? Mel Hopkins You two are very funny WE might be funny, but YOU ain't....with that bad ass Avatar picture you just switched to...lol. The woman looks like she's staring right at ME. As for your hearsay about women being pedophiles, this could be true, but again, where are your FACTS? How many have been convicted and incarcerated? As Troy mentioned, just because the sexual crimes of women aren't reported more....doesn't mean they aren't happening. It means that society (citizens, law enforcement, prosecutors) simply choose to go after the men more aggressively for sexual and other crimes. It also means that males and society in general often TOLERATE and RE-INTEPRET sexual contact from women differently than sexual contact from men. You talk about a PATRIARCHY.... But what do you call a society that not only PROSECUTES males more for sexual crimes but also SHAMES males into not reporting being sexually victimized? And information. Temple priestess imparted wisdom as well. Yes. Not just in Kemet but all over the ancient world. I Kena'an (Canaan) before the Israelites invaded, they had temples where both males AND females would come in and have sex with the clergy (for lack of a better term) as well as other members of the community and use that as part of the Divination processes to gain access to Spiritual Realms and seek answers. Many wealthy and powerful people STILL engage in these practices today at these "freak" parties. Those who crafted many of these so-called "Abrahamic Religions" knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they instilled certain dogma and rituals and banned and condemned others. They knew people had REAL power and were getting REAL information that actually helped them in their lives; so their aim was to prohibit THOSE practices and give the people a set of useless rituals with NO power in it so that you'd have to rely on THEIR system for your sustenance. ProfD Sista @Mel Hopkins, welcome back to the building. Enjoying your perspective. I'm enjoying her new Avatar with that woman staring at....somebody...in an alluring way....lol. Even "Mr. Home Alone" Senator CORY BOOKER would be trying to cuff that up...lol. Imagine if Cory Booker was at an event and a sista was over at another table staring at him with her eyes like THAT. He'd be out the door looking for the nearest ZALES and trying to guess her ring size...lol.

After reading over some of the comments in this thread, I was thinking that some of the back-n-forth between us over how much time Black property owners are willing to invest in doing their own household work may come from our different REGIONAL perspectives. Let me explain.... Most of you being from the Eastcoast (New York and D.C.) most of the Black property owners YALL knew were probably highly educated professionals with jobs in Universities, corporations, or in the government. I'm from the Midwest (Detroit); and most of the Black property owners I knew were actually working class people who scraped up enough money to buy old houses and raggedy buildings to fix up and rent out for cheap rent or Section 8. My parents actually bought property a few times but it became too costly trying to keep it up and deal with the city and deal with crazy drug addicted tenants. But here...most of the Black property owners I knew...and I mean the VAST majority...would fix things on their own house as well as the buildings they owned THEMSELVES FIRST before hiring others. Paying out of pocket usually was a last resort. ProfD Some folks can afford to pay others and spend frivolously. This is true. But it makes me wonder how long will they KEEP it with that mentality...lol. Troy They used to have music too when I was in junior high school I played a different instrument every year. Got to take it home too. Yeah, I remember you telling a story about some cat snatching your instrument and running off with it and when you caught him he grinned and claimed he was just "playing"...LOL. But man......you bring back memories. I played the trumpet in elementary school...and like you I got to take it home and practice. I was getting GOOD at that shit too! But by middle school they had canceled the programs ALL OVER the city. Same with swimming. They used to teach all the students how to swim but by the late 80s all of the highschools had huge Olympic sized swimming pools filled up with garbage and graffiti because they were no longer in use. I was watching this PBS special on funk music. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t terrible one of the reasons cited so many bands being around is that kids got to learn how to play instrument in school when music was taken out of schools. Kids started sampling music playing records, which led to the rise of hip-hop. That's WHY they took music out of schools...as well as work-shop and home economics. Too many Black children were learning how to make money and learning how to make music and getting rich. Most Motown artists learned how to play the actual instruments in school but used their own creativity to get famous and rich off of it. White folks saw it and said, "We'll fix that". Gut the programs! Speaking of household work. It used to be back in the 70s and earl 80s, if a woman needed her stove fixed or door repaired she could go to an alley and find any wino and pay HIM (or buy him a bottle...lol) to fix it for her. If you asked him where he learned to do that, he'll tell you he learned it IN SCHOOL. They used to teach BARBERING and DOING HAIR in schools too. Took that out. Depressing..... They knew exactly what they were doing. It’s a shame, though listening to a live band is so much better than listening to some cat spinning records Maybe the good @ProfD can explain the psychology behind it but there's something about the VIBRATION from the actual instruments when you hear them live. It hit differently than when it's electronic. The horns, the drums, the piano....that sound hits you and moves your body when you're listening to them LIVE. You have no choice BUT to react to them...lol.

ProfD We can do a little bit of both simultaneously But as I said in the other thread, it's not for everybody to do. Like Garvey....we don't want ALL of our people trying to invest or build in Africa anyway because some of them would...as Ice Cube would say: "Fuck up the program".

ProfD Howvever, if it's already built, they might show up Ofcourse....mainly to MOOCH off of somebody else, lol. Let somebody else do the heavy lifting and work....and just come on in to enjoy the benefits. I've had this discussion so many times with people over the years when they talk about leaving town and going somewhere else. It's usually goes something like: "Man...ain't shit here....I'm leaving" Me: Where are you going "Prolly to Atlanta/Texas/Dubai/Ghana/Las Vegas/California/etc.." Me: Why? What are you going to do THERE that you can't do here? "Man....they got so many jobs and opportunities out there and the females act better" Me: And what else? "And I got some family (that's what I was waiting to hear) out there I can stay with until I get on my feet" or "My boy is out there and I'm go prolly chill with him until I get on my feet" He don't want to go somewhere where he DOESN'T know anybody and has to get a job and work and make his own way. He doesn't want to actually get a job or build a business...because he could do that HERE where he is. He wants to go somewhere where he has FAMILY or FRIENDS where he can lay up on the couch, smoke weed, and mooch off of them like Snoop Dog in Baby Boy. Niggaz just running from one place to the next MOOCHING off of eachother. Looking for something already established so they don't have to do the work themselves. That's why I stopped encouraging most Black Americans to go back to African nations, because I know many of them would be doing the same thing over there as they're going over here. ....walking around in sagging sweat pants, playing on the celly, and MOOCHING off of whoever they can. Looking for somebody else to take care of the business.

ProfD A mental problem needs to be evaluated and treated properly. When I say able-minded. I'm not talking about mental illnesses like bipolar or schizophrenia; I'm talking about a man being slow, stupid, low intellect. I'm not sure how much treatment you CAN give a man who is too dumb or too stupid to provide daily bread for himself besides staying out of his way OR giving him a low skilled job that he can easily do and contribute to the community while providing food FOR him. Depends on perspective of the individual. Some folks would see roach infested housing projects, homelessness and sleeping behind garbage cans as the same thing True. Personally, I'd rather live OUTSIDE than in a roach infested home. The rhetorical question is why are people relying on public housing and welfare. Many reasons..... However we should be glad it EXISTS in this nation for those who need and want it. Public housing and welfare aren't benefits. You don't believe so? What's your idea of a benefit? FDR wasn't at fault for creating poverty but he certainly knew who was hoarding wealth. Yep...and he went after a lot of them. Among a lot of the wealthy and elite circles, Roosevelt was known as a "traitor to his class". There is actually a book out about it: The system of public housing and welfare as we know it became a thing later. It was not intended to be a way of life. I understand and I agree; however I think we should be glad and grateful that it DOES exist for those who need it. It's better than NO system at all like they have in a lot of countries where people who are destitute and can't provide for themselves basically crawl off into the woods and die alone.

I'm hip..... I personally am not boycotting shit unless there's a CLEAR reason why it would be in my best interests to do so. If we don't like what Trump is doing we need to organize and run a better candidate for 2028 with clear goals and objectives. Straight up. It's weak and ineffective and is really a way of trying to avoid doing what needs to be done to change things. Don't get me wrong, boycotts work when there's a CLEAR leader and a CLEAR objective...like MLK and the Montgomery Bus Boycott. But all that sissy-ass....... -boycott them and don't shop in their stores or say hello to them when you see them and.... -turn your back on them when they come in your direction to show them your anger. and.... -stick your tongue out at them in disgust, they won't like that. and.... -talk about they mama on social media, THAT'S show 'em! .....is useless. Troy must have moved this thread to THIS forum from ANOTHER forum because I don't remember seeing it.