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Rodney campbell Interesting information. I was just poking at Cynique, you could have posted this in my other thread if you wanted...lol. However on this subject I'm curious as to whether YOU PERSONALLY have accessed what Westerners call the "Akashic Records" but what I call "Ancestral Memory"???

Who were their hoez???

Cynique Seems to me.....that Rodney agreed with MY assessment that humanity is NOT getting smarter because we had technology far more advanced than what's being put out there today THOUSANDS of years ago. Mega cities and major civilizations not just in Africa but here in the Americas.

Dee Miller You're more than welcome! Lol...now come on sis, what can a brutha like me say that could POSSIBLY offend you????

Cynique Listen, this thread is about whether or not humanity is getting dumber or smarter....not about some "Ashkenazi Records". What's wrong with you??? Everybody was getting along great and vibing together in harmony and here you come with some A-symmetrical nonsense. Whatever happens may happen....but make it "happen" somewhere else, lol.

Troy Depending on the source doing the reporting I would accept it as proof 10 people were killed. And that's what I mean by it being "subjective". It's enough for proof to YOU. However having seen countless times where the news has gotten the murder count in situations like this WRONG and every day it seems they have to revise the numbers raising and lowering the count...I no longer accept their reports as even TRUTH let alone PROOF. I remember as far back as the Columbine shooting where several news sources as well as law enforcement itself confirmed atleast 25 people were killed. That number was SET It could only go up...not down. But low and behold it did....down to 10 or 15. Impossible. No way you could CONFIRM 25 deaths and then that count just magically drops unless The Messiah is there on the scene resurrecting dead bodies and bringing them back to life. So the news is no longer completely trusted as far as I'm concerned. ProfD Legally, circumstantial evidence has been enough to prove guilt or innocence in crimes. There's a case in Massachusetts right now where the husband is being charged with the murder of his wife. They will never recover her body to prove she's dead. But, his azz is going to prison based on evidence and his stupidity. Goes back to my assertion that "proof" is highly subjective. What constitutes as "proof" in a court of law may not necessarily be what WE think should be reasonably considered. Some people thought the infamous "bloody glove" with OJ's blood on it was "proof" that he killed Nicole and Ron. Yes, the glove was "circumstantial evidence"...but was it PROOF? But again, "proof" to me was actually WITNESSING him do it. Because MY standard of proof is so high, I can reasonable see and understand why he was found Not Guilty because there was a high possiblity that the bloody glove WAS planted by a racist cop. "Uhhh huh.....see that...told yall."

Troy ProfD says he's not an Alpha. I'm honestly not sure how to categorize him. I think he's a great ACTOR. Whether he's a....as they say in the streets..."real nigga" or true Alpha and not just pretending, not I'm not sure. ProfD He's got the intelligence and aggression to be a true Alpha. But as you point out, his EFFECTIVENESS seems to be lacking. However you do have dysfunctional Alphas. Hell, you got a lot of Alphas locked up in prisons with mental and emotional problems who just couldn't "get it right" for one reason or another. An argument can be made that he's TOO Alpha Too aggressive and egotistical to the point of being borderline and narcissistic to even get along with anyone else. Most Alphas realize they have to make SOME compromises in order to get along with others to get THEIR goals accomplished. You said an Alpha is capable of taking care of more than just himself. That is true. So consider this....... If a man is NOT doing that....it may not necessarily mean he's not an Alpha because the CAPABILITY may be there but the DESIRE to take care of others besides himself, may not. Maybe Dr. Johnson doesn't WANT to take care of anyone else besides himself.

Troy and ProfD Before we go any further..... While sipping on coffee, enjoying a warmed slice of bean pie, and looking out the window I'm in a state of peace right now. I usually am in a state of peace, but there's a bit of nostalgia mixed in with it because the snow is reminding me of my childhood. But to top it off is the conversatoin I'm having with you two right now. I'd like to take time to say what a PLEASURE it is to dialog in states of both agreement and disagreement with you two intelligent Bruthas on a peaceful Sunday morning. ProfD, like we talked about in another thread.... It's another one of those moments where you wouldn't want to be anybody else in this world BUT a Black man!

ProfD I agree with you that Neely Fuller goes a little too far to say that Black males in the U.S. are not men and Black females are not women. Just because you are in prison....doesn't NECESSARILY mean that your biology and very state of being is altered or arrested. Perhaps we aren't the men we SHOULD be....but we are indeed men. I mean....even if you're a Beta or Gamma....you're still a man. You level of aggressiveness doesn't determine that. And unless a person is totally castrated, even the circumstances you find yourself in won't change that. Like my boy Denzel Washington said in Glory: "Don't matter too much what happens. ....cuz we men ain't we?"

In order for us to capitalize Oops! ....gain from the knowledge we collect, we must first determine what IS knowledge vs what is mere words and documentation. Key to recognizing what is knowledge is knowing the difference between EVIDENCE and PROOF. Evidence is just facts/data that support an assertion. Proof...on the other hand...is evidence that not only support it but eliminates all legitimate/reasonable doubt of it being true. For example...... One could assert that violent crime is higher in St. Louis than it is in Cincinnati. Siting statistics found online and in law enforcement and crime data books is EVIDENCE of this, but it's not PROOF of this because the stats and documentation could be forged and fabricated. However GOING to both St. Louis and Cincinnati on a fact-finding mission and traveling around for an extensive period of time engaging in activities like riding around with cops as well as kicking it with gangs and street people for an eye witness account will give you PROOF of which one has the highest violent crime rate! Also, while TRUTH is objective......PROOF more subjective. Proof for one person may not be proof for another, based on experience, education on the subject, skepticism, etc.....

If it's not accepted for legitimate/logical reasons.....then no, for that person it's not proof. Proof is verification or confirmation beyond any reasonable doubt or argument. Not simply evidence in support of it. As I type to you, I'm reading an article about a mass shooting in California where atleast 10 people have been killed. Is the article "proof" of that? No. It's just documentation. A bunch of words I'm reading on a screen. To PROVE this is true I'd have to go to California myself and see the casualties....that way all reasonable argument will be erased.

ProfD You're right. Most Betas are better suited for monogamy....especially where marriage is concerned. As I said earlier, I contend that MOST men are Beta. Infact, it could be argued that over 90% of all men fluctuate between Beta and Gamma depending on their mood and the situation. Very few are actually Alpha, although that word is bounced around all over the place now a days. Simply being a normal man doesn't make you Alpha. Alpha's are exceptionally aggressive, high performing, and egoistical. Problem is..... Because that word "alpha" is being tossed around so much and so many men are TRYING to identify with it, Beta has become almost a bad word or insult in some circles. I think that's another factor in a lot of the violence you see happening across the nation. Too many men are being raised to believe THEY are the top dog and should never back down....even when they clearly should. Everybody can't be Alpha. Most men can't be Alpha or top dog....nature didn't intend for it to be that way. If most men would realize and accept this, I think there would be more peace and harmony on the planet.

Troy When contradictory proof is presented the story based upon the anecdote needs to be revised or discarded. The key word is PROOF. I think you often conflate "documentation" with "proof"...and they aren't necessarily the same. Just because you have a bunch of stats and words documented in a book or on a website, doesn't mean they are even facts let alone "proof" of something. But you'd rather believe THAT than someone who tells you they saw it for themselves or have been through it. Either side could be lying. The person giving you the anecdote could be fabricating and embellishing....but so could whoever presented the stats and documentation you trust. Neither qualifies as "proof" in my opinion. Besides, proof is SUBJECTIVE. What may be proof to ME may not be proof to YOU simply because of your lack of experience or observation of the subject.

Stefan The proof is in the very NAME of the people of Eastern Europe. They are called "Slavs" or "Slavic" people for the very reason that so many of captives were taken from that region that their ethnic name became synonymous with what we call slavery today. This article gives a brief but decent outline of the slavery that existed in Eastern Europe: Slavery - Ways of ending slavery | Britannica "Slavery was a familiar institution to many sixteenth-century Europeans. Although slavery had gradually died out in northwestern Europe, it continued to flourish around the Mediterranean Sea. Ongoing warfare between Christianity and Islam produced thousands of slave laborers, who were put to work in heavy agriculture in Italy, southern France, eastern Spain, Sicily, and eastern Europe near the Black Sea. Most slaves in this area were "white"--either Arabs or natives of Russia and eastern Europe. But by the mid-fifteenth century, the expansion of the Ottoman Empire cut off the supply of white slaves. It was during the mid-fifteenth century that Portugal established trading relations along the West African coast, and discovered that it was able to purchase huge numbers of black slaves at a low cost." Digital History (uh.edu) By the way, just how many Blacks have left California at your urging? I know you don't want to answer the question. Here we go....lol. . Zzzzzzzooooooommmmmmmmm.............

Stefan Man are you SERIOUS with these strawman based questions? You have a terrible habit of taking people's clearly stated assertions and positions and projecting them THROUGH your twisted mind-projector into the most extreme. Dude, just answer my questions. You've already proven you're a dullard when it comes to current affairs. Now, how many Blacks have left California because YOU demanded they do so? I'll answer that silly question AFTER you tell me how many Black folks have joined the Democrat party after YOU'VE demanded they do so unconditionally. How many Haitians have dropped their beliefs in Christianity to adopt worship of African spirits? I told you, enough to win the Haitian revolution of 1791. You don't think Blacks should run for elective office? They say there are no stupid questions; but I beg to differ....lol. Why would you even ASK me a stupid question like that? I almost forgot, it's that distorted "projector" of yours.

Stefan This must come as a surprise to all the closet Republicans in these Discussion groups. Lol...I see that projector of yours is acting up again. Now where are all of these "closet Republicans" that you speak of? Nearly all of the Republicans that I know of on this site (Nels and Coggins/Daniellegfny immediately come to mind)are ADMITTEDLY Republican and don't hide that fact. Rod DeSantis isn't a dictator, he operates as executive of an entire state government made up of people of all races. There are plenty of Black people down in Florida in positions of power to either challenge his position on this matter or IGNORE it and promote Black studies in their own school districts if they so choose. And he wouldn't be able to stop them one bit. DeSantis....like Trump....is being used as Boogieman. A DISTRACTION. Someone to get all of your attention for his outrageously racist and bigoted speech while the REAL right-wing threats can move in silence undetected.

I haven't and have no plans to. It's not necessarily the story that I find offensive.....because as far as I'm concerned Harry and Markle are two WHITE PEOPLE (Markle is a White woman as far as I'm concerned) who are in love with eachother. Not much interest there. The offense comes in when I considered how many Black women TRY to relate to Markle and call her a "sista" and how her story inspires some and encourages others to sit around hoping and dreaming for some red-headed White prince to come down and snatch them away. It encourages more White man worship....and that's the danger.

Troy I'm not in the "Florida is racist or not" argument. I think Midwestern states like Nebraska and Missouri are more racist than ANY Southern state, but.... I'm referring to you using anecdotes to support your position after clowning on me for doing it for so many years, lol. I hope you now see how hard it is for a person to "stop believing" something they actually experienced themselves simply because "the data" dug up on some website doesn't agree with it....lol.

ProfD Recently, NF Jr. said that if the smartest people got together, they could solve the racism problem in less than one year. Problem is...... Most of the smartest White people don't even SEE Slavery as a problem. They see it as a fine institution that may have had a few "kinks" to work out here and there, but the amount of wealth it generated was more than worth it in their minds.

I'm gonna hold on to this line for future references....lol

Slavery + Colonialism were the backbone of early Capitalism Serfdom + Mass Incarceration is the backbone of modern Capitalism Serfdom, meaning poor and destitute workers who are so desperate for money that they'll do any job under any conditions for almost any pay. The involuntarity (Lol...is that a word??) of slavery presented too many moral problems for the masses to accept it as part of a more "cultured" and "civilized" society so they had to replace slavery itself with more mild and "humane" institutions that produce massive amounts of goods through exploitation but the workers appear to have a "choice" whether to participate or not.

I wonder which "Black Mafia" the show is about? You have one that came out of Philadelphia in the 70s and another that came out of Detroit in the 80s....that I know of. There may be more.

Yeah.....lol....I followed the entire fall out. It was frustrating and sad when it happened. Now, looking back....it's just funny. Although I support both bruthaz for the good they do- Both of them are getting their hustle on if you ask me, lol. It was just a matter of game recognizing game.

ProfD People who are busy living don't have time to sit around thinking about stuff that doesn't enrich them and/or add to their happiness The same can also be said about people who are too busy getting high and playing petty psychological games to "get over" on their peers. They are so busy with the day to day hustle and grind from living in an oppressive environment, they don't have time (or in many cases even the desire) to think about who's actually ORCHESTRATING the oppression they are experiencing. They can't see past the tips of their noses. But that denial still won't protect them from falling into manholes...lol. As for me.....like the brother from Goodie Mob said: "My mind won't allow me to not be curious.... My folks don't understand so they don't take it serious...."

ProfD Here's what I'll say...... When it comes to polygamy.....it's best for the husband to be an ALPHA male...although it's certainly not necessary. You can and often do have Beta males (which....contrary to popular opinion....actually are the majority of males) in polygamous relationships but they aren't the ideal. An Alpha male is ideal because he'd have the aggression, the energy, the drive not only to keep his multiple wives in check but also that same energy would be used to generate a decent income to support his family. However the situation is so dire in the AfroAmerican community right now, a Beta male who is straight and has a little money may be a good alternative if there aren't enough Alphas to go around. Remember also, that this society often locks up some of it's Alpha Black men for getting out there and "doing what has to be done". So some compromises have to be made to COMPENSATE (compensatory). Brother might have to cuff up an Alpha FEMALE for his first wife to keep the other wives in check....lol