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ProfD The generations who received their teachings and messages figured AfroAmericans were better off with integration and civil rights and affirmative action. Well, to be honest brutha I'm having THIRD thoughts about those programs now. I had SECOND thoughts about them years ago when I thought that they were really used to trick Black folks and make our people think they were really being accepted into society. Now, that's not my focus. Perhaps they were, but I look at how many OTHER groups of color have benefited from integration and the Civil Rights movement and Affirmative Action programs and am beginning to wonder if THEY are the problem or some of our people the real problem as to why they haven't benefited much. The fact is SOME of our people...many...actually have benefited from these programs. So I wouldn't reverse them or get rid of them. Integration (so-called) didn't FORCE Black folks to give up their land and businesses. Many of them CHOSE to....and support White businesses. I can't blame integration for that because nobody forced them to shut down their own hotels and grocery stores. White women benefited more from Affirmative Action than our people because they HELPED EACHOTHER when they got into positions from it. Did we do the same? So now I can't even get angry over Affirmative Action because it did what it was supposed to do....did we? Over the several decades, there's been no shortage of brilliant AfroAmericans who have matriculated through institutions of higher learning and they've pursued all types of careers. True. We have a lot of brilliant minds. Many of them are working for White folks because our people don't have enough institutions ourselves to provide them with decent well beneficial employment. IMO, AfroAmericans do not lack intelligence or work ethic. There's no vision plan or design for what we need. Theres no champion or leadership. Some do....some don't. Those are just the facts. Some of our people are just plain stupid...dumb. No way of getting around this. In my opinion, the best strategy is to make a way for them to sustain themselves or sustain them if they are to the point of intellectual disability. But the intelligent of our people MUST take charge of the community. AfroAmericans can cover every position on the team. We just need motivation and incentive. Most smart people tend to ALREADY be motivated and driven based on the needs they see around them. Why does a community with failing schools where the ceiling and walls are crumbling and their is no toilet paper in the stalls need MORE of an incentive to roll up their sleeves and build their own schools and educate their own children? You can't motivate a ZOMBIE. Don't even waste your time. At some point we MUST organize the few among us and move on. I bet we could get a whole bunch of those same lazy people to work on building that hospital or school just by dangling a lucrative hourly rate. You dangle money infront of the WRONG nicca and that hospital you want built will be needed sooner than you think....lol. That's why I keep telling richardmurray that the police are NEEDED in our community. Preferably a Black police force but if Black men don't want to stand up....WHO'S gonna do it???? Somebody has to keep order in the community and atleast PRETEND like they're protecting the children. It's a damn shame White men have to do it so often when we know they aren't sincere about keeping it safe. But to your point about paying them a good wage............ Some....yes. But most of them wouldn't work if you paid them $100 an hour. Put them on the site and some tools in their hand and promise them $100 an hour plus bonuses for completing the project early and...... Come back next week the tools are gone, blood is all over the construction site, and the police has the entire place taped off. We gotta leave dead weight behind bro......

Establishing and maintaining chaos and instability has been one of the oldest and most effective tricks that the Racists have used to maintain power in this world. You can read it in the writing of Machiavelli as one of the strategies of domination. Ofcourse it doesn't hurt when the people you are trying to subjugate are ALREADY divided and a little dimwitted to begin with. Makes it just that much easier.

The psychological torture of death row is not having an exact date of your execution. It could be 20 years away or 20 months....the inmate simply doesn't know and doesn't get much advanced notification.

ProfD I work with quite a few Haitians and we've been making jokes with eachother about this all week. Talking about "General Barbeque".....lol. While what's going on down there is sad, this is PROBABLY one of the consequences of mixing up your worship and loyalty to the Deities. Black Haitians gained their independence and defeated the BEST military White folks had on this planet...Napoleon's military...calling on God and their Ancestors and using Voodoo to protect them AND REJECTING White folks "gods" who were imposed on them during slavery. They were doing fine. They not only liberated Sainte Dominque and changed the name to Haiti...but they started going from island to island liberating OTHER enslaved Black folks! The moment some of those mixed breed and half-baked mixed allegiance niggas started sneaking Catholicism and that White Jesus back into the culture and wanting to be more and more French like....that's when Haitians started becoming subjugated to White people again. Experiencing poverty, diseases, Earthquakes, and other calamities. You can't serve two masters. Either you're going to serve God and your Ancestors and use the power of Voodoo to defend yourself....OR join White folks religion and serve their White Jesus and rely on the weapons and technology that THEY make. Turning strictly to Catholicism and putting your faith totally in White Jesus may be bad enough, but to MIX the two together may infact be worse.

ProfD Well, whatever the case may be..... If a man IS in prison and has little chance of getting out it would seem that he'd be pre-occupied with trying to make his stay as comfortable as possible any way he can OR contemplating a solid suicide plan to exit this Reality.

ProfD I'm inclined to think AfroAmericans don't see the necessity of having our own sh8t. Either way, it's a sad reality. I'm not sure why. Our leaders from Marcus Garvey to Elijah Muhammad have been preaching this to our people for over 100 years now...lol. It's no longer sad to me because I understand, many of our people simply aren't smart enough to realize what's in our best interests. When we realize and accept this, then we can embark on an intelligent course that WILL work. I don't understand why anybody enables or communicates with lazy azz men or women. I have zero bandwidth for useless people. I understand why....lol....OTHER lazy people. Lazy people tend to hang around eachother and scheme up together to find people who are NOT lazy to mooch off of, lol.

Maybe our brother Neely Fuller Jr. will add it to his Compensatory Word Guide....lol.

Troy punishing them is following the script. Then is it really "punishment"? And when those who do wrong and are NOT "punished" and get away with it, should we also presume that this is too is part of the script? Is "injustice" part of the script? i’m not gonna try to extend the argument to the Soul, as I don’t no what you think it is, whether it adheres to the laws of physics. Well, my understanding is that the Soul IS me and you. We don't simply "have" Souls, we ARE Souls. Our Souls are what is moving in and out of different Realities...not our meat suits....lol. That is one way to view a dream. Sure there are other explanations for what dreams are, but do any of them make MORE SENSE than what I just wrote? Your eyes are closed and you're laying bed...yet you're laughing and talking with someone you knew 20 years ago, as clear as a bell. Make it make sense...outside of what I just said. Of course, we don’t experience those realities. Just this one I have to point to dreams again as just ONE example of different Realities. Cynique Sorry to hear about your knee. Get better soon and get one of those electric carts to ride around in next time....lol. That or get a walker with one of those seats on it even if you can walk just so you can keep your balance and rest when you need to. I wonder if in a parallel world I decided not to go grocery shopping, and my knee is fine. In a parallel world you DID go to the store but in that other Reality your argumentative ass is so sweet and gentle that when you stumbled, your 80 year old boy-toy was there to catch you. Standing with one of his arms around your waist, he asked, "Is you alright honey???" Very Important Question In This Discussion If everything is already pre-determined WHO PRE-DETERMINED THEM TO HAPPEN? Theoretically, there has/had to be an Intelligent Force planning all events.

I used to post on LSA. Too much cliquishness for me. It's one thing to dialog or debate with an individual on a subject by subject basis. It's another thing for entire groups of people to give you the silent treatment and write you off simply because you aren't part of "their" little group.

ProfD Most AfroAmericans aren't hard-headed. If/when *can't get right* n8gglets are encountered, it doesn't make much sense trying to explain anything to them That's why intelligent people shouldn't put their lives on the line fighting for intellectually challenged people who wouldn't appreciate what they were doing for them even if they understood it. Troy What could possibly be achieved by more frequent mass sh--tings? Maintaining an atmosphere of instability and fear. When the public is constantly afraid and confused about what's going to happen next, they are easily manipulated. ....and distracted.

ProfD AfroAmericans haven't had nearly as much time as those groups of people. We don't NEED as much time because we have technology at our hands far more advanced that what the Romans, Greeks, and Persians were working with. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers can build an entire city from scratch in about a month. Our people could learn THAT alone and it would be a great start. We've been here long enough to build hospitals, factories, and cultivate farms. On the flip side, those same groups of people aren't too much better off than AfroAmericans now. It depends on how you define better. Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, and others were self sufficient. Sure they had to worry about war and being conquered from the outside....but they could build their own housing, feed themselves, and sustain their kingdoms. As I said before, as a community AfroAmericans don't grow our own food, most of us don't employ ourselves, and don't even make toilet paper. I'm a huge proponent that AfroAmericans should be self-sufficient. However, there's also the belief that one doesn't have to produce something they can afford to buy. True. But there is what's considered a HEALTHY BALANCE of being both a consumer and producer. If you do nothing but consume and fail to produce...pretty soon your source of income may be cut off where you can't afford to consume anymore either. You should be able to produce what you consume so others don't have power over you. I know AfroAmericans can produce everything we consume if it was necessary. There's no shortage of very smart people among us. Fact, me too. But most ARE NOT...and that's the problem There are hundreds of thousands of Black doctors and nurses and radiologists among us too....where are the Black hospitals? The problem isn't the ABILITY of our pepole....the problem is the WILL and DESIRE. Notice you never call a handicapped person "lazy". Why not? Because they have an obvious excuse for not being mobile and active. But that muscle bound nicca laying on the couch in a white wife-beater with a neck like Mike Tyson's and his socked pulled half-way down his feet, smoking that fake ass weed that's going to make him even MORE stupid than he already is......ain't SHIT wrong with him physically. Laziness is MENTAL.

Being Black in a White racist society is SERIOUS business.... How much influence does a prisoner have over those on the outside that he can preach to them and warn them not to come in there while locked down himself? He can start a program to reduce the recidivism rate for the new prisoners who are there already and may even be able to reach some of those in the streets, but as a matter of nature his PRIMARY concern should be with himself and making the rest of his life inside as comfortable as possible given his circumstances. He does that by getting in the "good graces" of the institution he's trapped in as best he can.

It's social...so it operates OUTSIDE of the law.

Yes, I've engaged in MANY of them personally. The protocol is simple...... You and I get together and agree that if I do this for you....you'll do this for me. One of us will initiate. Say I do the thing for you. Now you'll either do for me....or you won't. If you fail to do it, I simply won't do business anymore. If you honor your agreement, we'll continue to do business.....lol. It's really not that complicated. As AfroAmericans we collectively in various groups in various locations make deals with other groups in those locations to support eachother and a circumstance by circumstance basis. If they fail to support us....we won't support them, simple as that. No need to sit up cussing and crying and sitting in the corner with your lips poked out mumbling something about why don't nobody want to support you or help you when you need it. If the people you made an agreement with FAIL to honor their end of the bargain....cut them off and move on to the next group. Soon....word will spread....trust me!

Troy of course, evil should be discouraged and when excessive punished. Why would you punish someone who did something they had no choice over? If their actions were "pre determined"...they couldn't help but to follow the script, right? As corporeal beings, bound by the constraints of the passage of time we exist in the world with the known and fixed past, ...for the MOST part, lol. But the soul can and does travel outside of this Realm. We are, necessarily, content with the illusion of free will— otherwise, what meaning with life have? If you didn't have a measure of "free will" you'd be stuck eating the same foods you were fed as a child and couldn't feed yourself. The fact that you started TRYING different foods as you got older is just a minor testimony to your free will. If there are multiple past and multiple futures, as some speculate, one can argue they’re all predetermined as well. Some are....some are not. Even IF these different futures are pre-determined, YOU aren't necessarily destined to experience a specific one. Imagine it's "movie night" and you have 5 different of your favorite movies to choose from. You already know the outcome of each movie because you've watched them all so much....but what you watch THAT NIGHT is you choice. It's not pre-determined. You may decide to watch one particular movie that day and by the time you make it home changed your mind to watch another. Either way...the movies are set but YOU don't necessarily know which one you'll experience. We are also unable to experience different realities within the Multiverse. You do so everytime you dream.

They would probably initiate a low grade long term war that flies just below the radar screen to garner the national emergency that would FORCE the hand of Whites in the government to take some sort of action. White racists in power sit up and let the common White folks have these automatic weapons that should only be allowed on the battlefield, for a reason. Unlike most AfroAmericans whom you often have to keep repeating the same shit over and over to and often times they STILL don't "get it".....many White folks in America just automatically "understand" eachother. A Republican in Alabama takes the ban off of automatic weapons....all the "good ole boys" in Alabama immediately go to the weapons store and buy them up wiping the shelves clean. They don't need Minister Farrakhan or Al Sharpton to come on and preach to them to tell them what to do....they KNOW what to do. Trump barely has to say anything racist and automatically most White men know he's for them and rush to his support.

richardmurray Your thread is headlined with 2 different staments and a question.... -Mayor adams just said a simple thing -Will the collectivity among people of color, non white europeans, fade over time? -1. Do you think the Black DOS elected officials or advocates should halt the growing media criminalization of latinos? Lol.....which one should we focus on??? I'll focus on the middle one....... Personally, I haven't seen a lot of "collectively" among people of color or non-White Europeans. Maybe some exist in New York but it doesn't exist on a large scale in Michigan, Georgia, the West Coast, and other places I've lived in around the nation. It exists in pockets...but not in general. every day more and more i notice the mayor or governor seem dedicated to getting latinos as the primary war on crime target which overall is going to be better for the black dos populace in nyc. Trust me....it won't. Why not? Because as I've stated many times, most of the Latinos in New York are of African descent (Puerto Rican and Dominican). Basically Spanish speaking niccaz. Rolling your "r" and playing Salsa music won't change the way White folks see you or force them to separate you from the other Black folks who speak English and eat turkey sandwiches for lunch. Notice Los Angeles and Chicago aren't targeting Latinos. Why not? Because most of their Latinos are not Black or Mulatto, as is the case in the New York area. There may not be a lot of unity between Black New Yorkers because of their various cultures....but trust me most White folks see ALL of yall the same, lol.

I'll have to disagree with 1 and question another of your assessments.... It doesn't seem like the House is divided at all on helping Black folks get what we are owed. Both parties are UNITED in not doing anything to help. If there is a party pushing such a program....please bring them to my attention, lol. As far as helping women "grow faster"......what does that mean exactly?

Perhaps being a professor doesn't make one a millionaire.....although I heard depending on the University you can make over $100,000 a year plus perks....but didn't brother West author a number of books? I think he also had a few television and radio shows. He should still be getting royalties from those endeavors. There were rumors about Tavis being gay but some years back there were a number of lawsuits accusing of sexually harassing women at his production, if I'm not mistaken. Or maybe they didn't say what sex the accusations were coming from? At any rate, I heard all kinds of jokes about Travis chasing women around his office but keeping it so low key from the persona he gives on his broadcasts.

Exactly..... If you are in a prison.....and sentenced for life without the possibility for parole...why not become a Trustee or seek some high and privileged position inside the prison? Again, the key factors is "without the possibility of parole".....meaning no chance you're going to get out.

Troy Think that through for second… I have. I suggest you think OUTSIDE of the box and ponder on what I said about multiple Realities. The omniscient being you are referring to can move through time the way you or I walk up and down the street. The concept of the passage of time is nonsensical. Time is just a REFERENCE. It's abstract....used to mark what which is concrete. What is moved through isn't "time" itself, but the different Realities in which the concept of time exists. They could observe something that “happened” 2000 years ago or 2000 years in the “future” it’s all the same. I wouldn't say it's "all the same" but yes, they could move 2000 years back into A past or 2000 years into A future. I bet you have no problem accepting that you can’t change the past, the future is no different. You probably can't change YOUR past, but there are MULTIPLE pasts just like there are MULTIPLE futures. In another "past", Word War 3 has already occurred and this world has experienced nuclear destruction. You still didn't answer my questions about why "evil" should be punished if the deed was already pre-determined to occur; and according to that logic...does "evil" really exist?

ProfD & richardmurray Lol....huh???? At any rate..... Our people are so far behind other groups in terms of just the basics like providing food, housing, and even clothing for ourselves. Like I said, the Romans, Egyptians, Ethiopians, and other groups were able to do these things for themselves THOUSANDS of years ago. AfroAmericans don't even make TOILET PAPER for ourselves. If White folks stopped making toilet paper, it'll be a shitty time in America.

If there IS a Civil War....it will be started by poor and lower middle class Whites.

Several hundred???? Good brutha.....try SEVERAL THOUSAND years behind, lol. We aren't even doing what the Roman's were able to do. Even they had a military, thousands of square miles of land, and a way to feed their population along with skills for major building projects.

On top of what ProfD just said, I'm also a huge supporter of CONTRACTS between parties.....including SOCIAL CONTRACTS. In other words, if you want US to do this for YOU....then YOU must do this for US. No more unconditional support for other groups simply because they are of color or even share the same color. I support letting these other groups know CLEARLY that if you want the support of FBA/AfroAmericans.....then you need to support our fight for Reparations, and if you're going to sleep with our women then we need to be able to sleep with yours. If you want us to support your businesses then you need to support ours.