Pioneer1

One of the problems is under colonialism....much of the ancient culture and ways of farming and doing things to feed themselves were ERASED as the Europeans imposed a new system of doing things on them. After generation after generation of this, the "old ways" have been nearly forgotten. Now it's up to us to discover and invent brand new ways to become independent and self sufficient.....because the way the Europeans taught us certainly isn't working. But I don't think most of them are trying to do that. Many Africans....like many AfroAmericans....simply don't want White folks telling them what to do anymore, but still don't know how to fully take care of themselves and operate a fully functioning society. Kind of like a teenager who is growing up in an abusive foster home and wants their independence from their abusers, but doesn't have a job, doesn't own a car, doesn't know the first thing about leasing an apartment or buying a house.

Christianity did NOT come out of Africa. Nor is it founded in ancient Egyptian/Kemetic belief systems. I've heard and read these claims for years by a lot of quasi-Christian Afrocentrists. Most of them push this belief by CHERRY PICKING certain similarities that exist between the religion of Christianity and a few documented stories attributed to ancient Egyptian philosophy....but not by doing on extensive comparison between the two institutions. Based on my research on religion....especially Christianity and it's foundations and doctrine....there are VERY FEW similarities between Christianity and ancient Egyptian belief systems when both are compared in their "entirety". In my opinion, it's pushed by Black folks who are still affiliated with the church and Christianity and seek to find ways to justify their position and association to it by making it seem as if Christianity is really "our" religion so they don't have to make the difficult choice of leaving it. Similar to how they'll take a White Jesus and paint him "Black" but still hold on to the "white savior" mentality...lol. BTW, my question as to whether or not the Europeans or Arabs would have followed traditional African religion if the roles were reversed and Africans went up into Europe or Arabia to convert them has yet to be touched....lol.

Troy Lol..... They wouldn't be very "omniscient" if they DIDN'T know.....would they?

frankster I think you and are share very similar positions on this subject. I believe SOME things are pre-determined and SOME things are random and based on individual choices. What percentage is which...I'm not sure.

The Amish operate INSIDE the world's most militarily powerful nation and are pretty much guaranteed security by them. The island of Jamaica could easily conquer the Amish and snatch their musty asses up by their long grey beards.....if the U.S. government just sat back with their arms crossed and allowed them in to do it. America protect those within her territory....including those without the power to protect themselves like the Amish, Mennonites and other so-called "independent" communities. Think of the Amish as a senile old man living in the attic of his rich son-in-law and daughters well guarded multi million dollar mansion.... He can afford to open the window cussing and shaking his fists at people who walk past his home because it's well guarded and nobody will bother to get to him anyway...lol.

Then the question would be, why do so many of our people keep falling for the same okey doke over and over again? Look at what happened with Jim Jones and the "People's Temple". That shit happened as late as the 70s.....AFTER our community was educated and informed by the greats such as Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad. Over 700 Black folks STILL fell for that devil's hype and followed that fool down there!

I don't think the French are "wurred" about what's going on in West Africa one bit. Know why? For several reasons: 1. It's not about kicking out the French alone. The System of White Racism is global and works as a team. If you kick out France, eventually England, Germany, the U.S. and Russia will get involved one way or another and you'll have to deal with them. 2. Any group of angry young men can pick up gats and declare a Revolution and declare themselves free. The White Power Structure COULD send in a battalion and lay so many of our brothers over there low....it wouldn't even be funny. But they probably won't do that. They'll probably do what they've BEEN doing for the past 50 years and just WAIT. Wait on what? Wait on them to get hungry...... Whether you're talking about Burkina, Niger, Haiti, or any other nation that is in the throws of a coup you find the same story. A bunch of young men who all want to stand around with gats but nobody wants to pick up a shovel and dig a ditch to lay the foundation for a new building. Nobody wants to go to the country side and plant trees, crops, raise animals, learn how to build buildings and irrigation systems. They just want to fight eachother over what already IS there and what's left after the many wars....and ofcourse wait on foreign aid in the form of food and money and fight eachother over that too. And White folks know it. We can see the coup. We can see the plans for armed revolution. We can see military men in uniforms and berets laying across their heads with gats on their hip standing around making speeches with more armed young men standing around looking mean. We see that. Now....show me the people actually FARMING and growing enough food to feed their population so they won't have to keep begging the West for sacks of grain and rice to fight over, and BUILDING brand new buildings and schools and hospitals THEMSELVES instead of asking Whites and Asians to do it for them -as part of this Revolutionary coup to replace the White System! I'm waiting. Like Sofia from The Color Purple said: Just don't keep me waiting TOO long.

During our discussion in another thread about why Africans so easily converted to other outside foreign religions, I forgot to add something....... I could understand if a Spirit or some other super natural Entity actually CAME to Africans and clearly openly declared Christianity or Islam or some other religion to be the correct one coming from God. I could understand if a super natural Entity came performing Miracles in the name of those other religions. In THAT case...I can easily understand how a person seeing this would convert and accept it. I can understand how someone BORN into the religion could just easily accept it as true.....however I'm talking about the FIRST people of those lands who were introduced to it. For another human being who doesn't even look like you to simply come from another nation with a book that you can't even read because it's not in your language and TELL you it came from God or TELL you it's holy and you should accept it and that religion....and you sincerely accept it without any proof or strong evidence....that, I take issue with. I wonder would the Europeans or Arabs so easily convert to traditional African religions as so many Africans converted to Christianity and Islam?

I guess when we say "necessary" we have to qualify it with a description of "necessay for what". If you want to talk about what is absolutely necessary for survival as humans, then you're talking: Food Water Want to extend your life a little further: ...on top of that add Shelter ...and depending on the climate, Clothing...lol. Want to live even longer: ...add First Aid and some form of Healthcare I think you get my point....LOL. If you want a relatively modern and functioning society, at this point wifi internet is a basic necessity. Take that away, the nation won't last long because it will fall into chaos and be conquered.

ProfD Today's Africans cannot reclaim their land and resources without going to war against white folks. In it's entirety, I believe you're right. However in small increments and individual cases....it can happen. Look at how the Chinese and non-White Arabs are buying so much land and property in Africa and White folks are allowing it. I believe there's a tipping point or critical mass that White folks will allow. We should at least get ourselves acquainted with it. The easy way out for most people seems to be 1) selling out and taking whatever white folks are willing to give or 2) leave the country and try to build a better life being an Uber driver in a white country. Well, if they aren't going to organize and lead a concerted effort to reclaim their land (and it doesn't look like they're planning to do so anytime soon) then I think option #1 is a little more honorable than option #2. A coup is the way some folks try to fight back and reclaim their country. Yes, but they're not actually reclaiming the land from the White folks who control it. They're reclaiming the POSITION of "go between" and HNIC from other Black folks in that position that they personally don't like. One group of niccaz get jealous of those in power because they're closer to "White Massa" than they are....so they round up a gang of armed niccaz and storm the capital to drive them out and then THEY sit in the seat and make the calls to "White Massa". After years of sitting in office stealing money and begging White folks....another generation of young niccaz who get jealous of and tired of THEM form a gang and do the same thing. Happening over and over again. It's only a matter of time before white folks con and arm the next wannabe leader to stage a coup. Rinse and repeat. Exactly. As just mentioned above. Which tells me more about THEM than it does about the White folks who are conning them. As I mentioned in another thread, Muammar Gaddafi was the last African leader who fully understood the problem. He wanted to unite Africa. We know that outcome. I don't think he should have been killed...especially in the manner that he did. However I don't think he should have lead any Black African coalition or movement. He wasn't a Black African. I'd consider him a friend and ally of Black people, but not to be followed for a number of reasons. One of them was because we have to get out of the habit of needing a White "savior" or atleast some non-Black person to unite us and rally us together. Again, it's that "Jim Jones" mentality of somebody who doesn't look like us who will come down to the 'hood and stand us up on our feet and do for us what we should be doing for ourselves. Gaddafi or Castro or any other non-Black person leading an African coalition...even if it was successful....would simply re-enforce the racist belief that Black folks need a "White savior" because they don't have sense enough to do it by themselves. Even at work I see this often. Black folks from different background and nations often have issues working with eachother and getting along and having respect for eachother...but some soft mild mannered White man will come along and they all fall in line and work in harmony UNDER him.

Most intelligent Black folks already have........... The time has come to stop going in circles and preaching the same common sense to the walking dead. If they didn't have sense enough to "get it" after 60 years or preaching the same things over and over to them, it's time to pack our things and move on.

I've read and heard numerous stories about how Africans and Native Americans were warned ahead of time about the coming of Caucasians but they didn't heed the warnings. Then I heard SOME heeded the warnings while some others....especially the leaders...did sell their people out for trinkets and bottles of beer or salt or out of fear of superior weapons. I'm not sure if these things are true or false.....or a mixture of both. I'm very analytical in my thinking so I don't condemn entire groups of people nor do I praise them. I take the actions of each individual and the circumstances surrounding those actions into consideration....and weigh them. It's easy to say "stand strong and don't let the White man take your land and women"....when you don't have 1000 muskets pointed at you, lol. If you notice, except for the religious aspect....most of my criticism of Africans are of the Africans of TODAY because it's based on the behavior that I've actually witnessed myself. Some of it is absolutely uncalled for and has no excuse. You're over in the Congo sitting on all types of gold and diamonds....diamonds tumbling out of mountains by themselves.....all you have to do is stick your hand out and you'll catch one. But you'll leave THAT because you don't want to do the digging....instead you fly over to America just to drive a damn cab in Washington D.C.

.....unless you grew up with it, lol. Now a days, the internet IS considered a basic necessity. Governments and most individuals (except for survivalists) can't function in society without it.

Lol....talk about an oxymoron.

ProfD To avoid imperialism, Castro probably meant well all things considered. His shortcoming was a failure to grow his island nation. I think he did the best he could given the cards he was dealt. He was leading a nation of....as I said before...mostly Black and Mulatto people. So as a well educated White man who came from a prosperous family, he knew the White world wasn't going to allow them but to get so far. Also, he was pushing a Communist program in the middle of a Capitalistic and Christian Western Hemisphere. His only friends and allies were thousands of miles away and weren't true friends at that (Russia). Cuba probably could have developed more technology if they were left alone. But with the embargo and constant harassment, it was enough to survive. Despite displays of violence, Black folks aren't barbaric enough to take over their own sh8t and run it like a well-oiled machine. Well, some may agree. Because on the scale of civility....Barbarism is a STEP UP from Savagery...lol. A lot of our people are in such savage condition that barbaric would be an improvement.

Well the issue is......if this IS it...we wouldn't know it, lol.

ProfD Fear of mortality. People are afraid to die. They've been programmed into believing their soul could spend eternity in h8ll. Nearly every African religion before Christianity or Islam not only taught that Life existed after death and that their Ancestors lived in that After-life, they also had rituals and herbs they used that allowed certain medicine men to ENTER those Realms and communicate with Entities in them! Now whether they could do this or not is obviously questioned by some, but the fact that they certainly BELIEVED in it isn't up for questioning. All Africans believed in Higher Beings and Life after physical death. Neither Islam or Christianity introduced these concepts to them. So how a bunch of European Caucasians or Arab Caucasians could come along with other religions and SINCERELY convince them to stop believing in that and believe in a bunch of words written down in a book that THEY didn't write and couldn't even understand the language of is - Come on bro. Jim Jones. People's Temple. Jonestown Guyana. A 47-year old clown convinced 909 people to commit suicide. Great example. And Jim Jones was a WHITE man! And most of those who followed that fool down there were BLACK folks! Look at that. Like the wino on Good Times would say: "Now what does that tell you? Huh? Huh??"

ProfD Yeah, got quite a few friends with sleep apnea and even have to use the machine. You must be heavy. A lot of people who are heavy in weight tend to have sleep apnea. As I get older I often imagine different ways I'd like to die also....lol. Simply dying in my sleep....during a nice and lovely dream...is ideal. However a very quick violent death in which I lose consciousness quickly would be far more ideal than going through months or years of some disease. This is one of the reasons I'm so angry at some of the teachings of many religions. I was promised that "the end" would come before the year 2000...lol. One religion says that Jesus would come back. Another said the world would end. Another said that a Savior would return and make the world better. Here we are in 2024....decades later... and the world is still shitty and there are wars and disease on top of war and disease. I have lady friends, but no children....by choice. Unlike you, I actually do believe in Life after physical death so I really have no reason to hang around in this Reality if the bad outweighed the good.

What else besides low intelligence would allow a grown man to change religions SIMPLY because an outsider comes to his community and tells him he's worshipping the wrong "god" that they've been worshipping since time immemorial? Some would tell me: "Well, Pioneer....it's not that simple. You have to understand the history behind it and how they did it." Understand what? I understand how people with superior weapons can over power you and take your land and women. I don't agree with it...but it makes sense. You were physically forced into it....it was beyond your control. But here you've been worshipping the same religion for THOUSANDS of years and some other group of men come over on a camel or horse....get off...tell you they have a book that came from "heaven" and it was given to them to give to you. And you start stretching your eyes and grinning and actually believe it with no proof or strong evidence but ONLY that man telling you about it. .....that actually says a lot about YOU more so than the colonizer!

ProfD The current leader of Cuba looks mixed race. I can already imagine what that means for the darker people there. Well Castro and much of his family were pretty much White. They may have gotten along well with the Black and Mulatto people of Cuba and around the planet, but there's something "Jim Jonesish" about a White man who has to lead and direct Black folks around and keep them organized and industrious. No shade of Castro though....he did many great works. Cuba is pretty much a Black and Mulatto nation with a White minority. Black folks should be ruling it....but.

richardmurray Now if you are asking why haven't wealthy blacks in NYC started a similar organization in NYC, well why don't you go ask them. Why would I ask a question I already know the answers to...lol. For the same reasons the poor and middle class Black New Yorkers aren't starting one. You think the white, financially wealthy historically , smaller in quantity, jewish populace in nyc is comparable to the black, financially poorer historically, far larger in quantity , black populace in NYC? Why not? They're both human beings. Both have brains and the ability to think ahead and plan.

ProfD Don't confuse a few Black folks running killing each other in the streets over the full scale wars white folks execute leading to millions of deaths. I'm not talking about just in the U.S.....or in Haiti right now....but look at what has been going on in parts of Africa over the past 40 years or so. The violence is off the chain in a lot of nations to the point there is no police. Nothing but bands of young men roaming around the country side with AK's on pick-up trucks looking for villages to raid. The only reason some of them AREN'T engaging in full scale wars is because they can't get their hands on the weapons to wage them. So it's not from goodness and lack of desire to commit harm...it's from the INABILITY to do so. Don't think some of these clowns wouldn't use NUKES on fellow Africans of a different ethnicity if they had access to them! Christianity has been sold to Africans just as it has been sold to AfroAmericans. Amazing that even the most seemingly intelligent Black folks would buy into the BS white folks sell. Especially in the form of a savior that just so happens to look white. Europeans bringing one religion.....Arabs bringing another. And if Africans aren't fighting eachother over foreign religions they are fighting eachother over next to nothing. Ask some of the Africans at work (because you have mostly Christians but some Muslims too) that if Africans were to go up to Arabia or Europe with THEIR traditional African religion, would they be able to convert the Europeans or Arabs to it like they were able to convert them?

I was going to say it but ProfD beat me to it about Kevin dying in bed with some woman. I heard she was non-Black and many years younger than him too. Well...... If you're going to die anyway, dying on top of a woman you're banging certainly wouldn't be one of the worse ways to go out.

What the Cuban people didn't understand....was that just like blood is thicker than water...."White racism" is thicker than blood! ....or the Communist doctrine, lol. White Russia will NOT take sides against their own White brothers in the West just to side with Brown Cubans or even Yellow Chinese and Koreans and Vietnamese. So Russia slowly stopped supporting Cuba and allowed it to drift into isolation. Cuba may be behind technologically but their Spirit is still strong. They have a history of sending soldiers as well as medicine and medical aid to African nations so they have a lot of Karmic Credit built up.

Poverty and systemic oppression are great examples. I was born and raised in a lower middle class environment and BRIEFLY experienced poverty in the form of homelessness years ago.....and mentally could barely tolerate it. My "intolerance" for it forced me to do thing I wouldn't have ordinarily done to raise myself out of that situation. I wasn't trying to "get used" to it or "make the best" of that situation without trying to get out of it.