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@Stefan Thank you very much for your kind words. I want to address your other comment; In no way am I bringing in false statements. My research is solely based on the Bible, my usage of other publications absolutely support the Bible. As a professional writer you too have to use references. Jesus said we have to research the scriptures and the word of God says write and publish. I addressed your statements about "anthropologist" belief on Kush being the origin of the Black race. I used valid references to explain that cannot be true with respect to the Bible. My reference was the Fine Arts museum and etc. and of course, those dated artifacts stem from Art Historians and more. I do not understand why you think it is false and non-Biblical. I use the term 'PEOPLE OF HETH' to define THE EGYPTIANS and would love to expound more since you may have miss why I used that term. Stefan, I am! LOL. There is good and bad history in all of us humans, and I understand why anyone 'Black' would not like the negative aspect of Egypt. Egyptians are not my heroes and guess what, neither are many of the evil Hebrews as well! I won't claim them either. LOL.

@Mel Hopkins lol. Yes it could be. yes.

This topic never really interested me until I read a post in this community last year that revolved around the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I saw a video whereby Dr. King spoke about how European Americans were given 'welfare checks' and etc. after hearing his views, I apply it to this issue about Affirmative action. If other people, even immigrants are given aid to be able to be educated here in America, then certainly I think African Americans should be considered for some type of aid. However, I also think about the type of education as well that has been offered. I think, in the past, we have been given faulty education and exploited to serve the goals of this system... I graduated from an HBCU and believe too that America's curriculum needs an overhaul in these institutions as well, otherwise the purpose of Affirmative action is not well served.

I sure hope so!

He wouldn't; that would be a complete contradiction to the very purpose of Passover and sending Jesus. According to the scriptures, the Hebrews were under hard bondage for 430 years with no end in sight, therefore Passover was instituted. The Creator Passed over the sins of the Hebrews and judged the Egyptian government and released the Hebrews from this form of captivity. Passover is the key to understanding that the Creator would never condone mankind being defined as 'a slave for life'; that is human sacrifice. Thank you. Absolutely. Absolutely. White Supremacist dread the day that they will be judged and therefore insert deception to try and convince the Black race that God would condone slavery and human sacrifice and forgive them for this type of blasphemy.

@Stefan And I can respect you leaving this debate on this wise, however, because the Hebrews were enslaved in Egypt and the Bible records their plight, I strongly believe that it is vital to understand the history of Egypt as it applies to the Bible. One of my ancestors [if not more] is from this vey land, Egypt, and like the descendants of Joseph, many Hebrews are heavily inter-mixed with Egyptians. So, I will continue to regard the history of Egypt as a vital source in understanding the Bible.

Absolutely! @Stefan I don't understand why this has been a confusion when the scriptures clearly state this. I think maybe, the Church has failed to show us the truth and so, many people have been confused due to the wording. Yes, the reason for the flood was due to a great degradation of humanity, however, the term 'slave' was not ascribed to Noah! Yes, I can see where this is partly of great truth as well, however, long before even the birth of Cush Ham, the scriptures reveal that the Black race was a dominant presence. Way before the flood and the birth of Cush even, the secular records attest to this as well. I visited the fine arts museum in boston a few years ago and was astonished at the artifacts dated that confirm this. Even though, many so-called 'Black people' today aggressively state that there is no such truth as true 'Black people' and will argue this down to a scientist, however, they need to go see ancient artifacts. Long before Cush was born some of those 'Black devils' migrated from the east into Mesopotamia and Egypt. So no, it was not just the descendants of Ham that were the progenitor of the Black race, but before and after the flood, the people of HETH, those Egyptians came west and soon, some of them inter-mixed with the people in the land. I saw some of these same idols in the fine arts museum and they were indeed completely Black and contrasted to other idols that were dark brown/bronze and completely White and dated back before the flood around the 3000s BC: I believe that the first depicted is of Menkaure way before the flood. Shabtis that reflect color variation. https://www.stlmag.com/downloads/328811/download/Shawabties%20of%20King%20Taharqa%2C%20690-664%20BC%2C%20Excavated%20at%20Nuri%2C%20Courtesy%20of%20Boston%20Museum%20of%20Fine%20Arts.jpg?cb=6e6e69d5a689772844be238a12da9ecb&w=1000 In this link the name 'Taharqa' shows color variation thousands of years after the flood--no black depictions. BUT, I was stunned at how many black idols were in that museum way before the flood. The presence of Black people has a long history that has a presence in the ancient east world as well as in other parts of the ancient world. I think because of early decline of early east world civilization for various reasons, ancient people migrated westwards and overtime, Hamitic people were dominated. According to the scriptures, the east world Egyptians were NOT all negative but added a lot of rich history to Africa. But it was the negative aspect that eventually led to great oppression and this kind of history is most vital to understand, imo because it connects to these times.

I found the video that I saw. I don't know if it a valid source in your opinion, but I believe what I read. I believe you! I believe that any activity between Africa and Russia would be noticed and tracked and maybe that is why we over here would not get any kind of news on this wise. Any kind of news like this would probably have to come from a foreign source and that is just what happened. This video showed up on my channel. It was from an African girl's you tube channel: Putin Gives Tanzanian Students A Place To Stay And Clothes To Change After Fleeing Ukraine 59,460 views Mar 22, 2022 Putin Gives Tanzanian Students A Place To Stay And Clothes To Change After Fleeing Ukraine - YouTube

I thought that another comment that you made would be more accurate: With regard to President Biden you said; ["... Now he got his racist mass shooting and it will definitely take the heat off of him for all the other things he’s f*cked up since stealing the White House."] https://defconnews.com/2022/05/15/biden-finally-got-his-white-supremacist-attack-but-questions-remain/ And you also said: "I think you're missing the point. The shooter is a tool of the Left and he was co-opted to commit the most egregious of crimes because of the Democrat's race-hustling political narrative, which is 'race'." There's no White Supremacy anymore, huh? - Page 2 - Culture, Race & Economy - AALBC.com’s Discussion Forums If the Democrat's are pushing a race-hustling political narrative, then they are racist. Lastly, you said: " ...It's incredulous that people and Black America in particular, don't seem to understand that the race bogeyman is being used to manipulate them." There's no White Supremacy anymore, huh? - Page 2 - Culture, Race & Economy - AALBC.com’s Discussion Forums This too means that 'the race bogeyman' is due to a movement to manipulate Black people because of racist.

Agreed. In terms of how this law would play out for White women, I have a difficult time thinking that they would be criminalized if the goal is to foster more births. But, when it comes to Black women, it will definitely criminalize them! This government does not want more Black births. This law would be dividing, imo. And, it makes me think about the issue with laws such as the use of marijuana in the past. I sometimes wonder how many Black people have been cited for breaking this law and criminalized but on the other hand, how many White people guilty of the same offense were able to get lawyers to avoid being cited.

I believe that this horrible incident is 'racially motivated'. I also do see another point now, in that this 'racist issue' is stoked up by people in high places. Racist people in high places are using people like this evil murderer to do their dirty work. I absolutely understand the point that @nelshas made, although I don't know for sure what he believes entirely. Just the next day, there was a mass shooting in California in a White Church and a few days earlier, Korean women were shot at in their place of business, however, the fashion in the way that the media has broadcasted the incident in Buffalo, New York will inevitably lead to more victimization of Black people due to the fashion in which it is highlighted. The man tht shot up tht Church definitely has some mental health issues and whoever shot the Korean women is also off balanced, but the media does not concentrate on these horrors. However, it does seem like Black people are being targeted to foster a movement that furthers a racist and White Supremacist agenda set in action. It feels like we have been indoctrinated into a burning house. I feel like we are being pawned due to evil racist hatred, to further the actual movement. Unfortunately, due to this government and our beginning, that will continue. Not that Black hatred needs any help, but--Black on black crime is a miserable fate to many innocent Black victims and this is furthered due to White Supremacy and it continues to feed the devil's hatred and justifications for their acts.

Some of my relatives are saying this as well.

History is repeating itself unfortunately.

On that note, President Biden and First Lady Jill Biden went to Buffalo today! Based on this comment, it makes me wonder if the visit will help or hurt. The article about this visit had a caption that said, "White Supremacy is a poison".

@Stefan Sorry for the late response. I actually saw a video. And, it was about this conflict going on right now. I will try to see if I can locate that video and post it.

I've learned a lot from your threads.

That is news to me! I have been reading about how the reporters have a double standard when it comes to reporting about the Ukrainians versus other ethnic peoples. I also just read that some Africans fled to Russia and were welcomed. The Russian government fed them, clothed them, sheltered them and welcomed students into their college.

Yes, I agree! @Stefan No. I absolutely covered that in my previous post! In the very same chapters about 7 servitude of Israelites, it is also detailed about non-Israelites in that they were absolutely NOT to be mis-treated. However, after 7 years, non-Israelites could re-sign up for another 7 year period. As far as 'prisoners of war', that is another issue. As you outlined, certain people were slaughtered but I as far as 'prisoners of war' can you give scripture reference? No. The Israelites were not to enslave anyone! And, also they were intermixed with these people too because they did not do as they were supposed to do, therefore, it was actually the Hebrews that would end up going back into oppression under these people, so says the scriptures. As far as the scriptures you cited about the certain Canaanites such as the Jebusites, Amalekites, etc. the Bible gives detail during the Exodus about them! I've done years of research on these Headhunters, pedophiles, etc. and extremely incestuous people. AMALEK----AmaLEK--KELTOI --- KELTS-- The Origin of the TRIANGLE SLAVE TRADERS Amalek, the First of Nations Gog & Magog... ********************************** [14] Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: [15] At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee. DEUTERONOMY 24:14-15.

For real! That's a new one on me. This movie was so funny. Ice Cube really captured the mood and atmosphere of that time span. Some of his films, I think are too raw for me, but, I do wish he would make more films. I just recently saw another old flick for the first time, First Sunday, and it was too funny.

@Stefan I addressed your references directly that outlined 7-year servitude. There is nothing in the Bible that condones chattel slavery meaning slavery for life.

@daniellegfny It was a 4 hour video, It took me 6 1/2 hours to view!!! LOL Really great! I want to comment, but later... Good night for now or, good morning... plan to sleep this off.

Ham was not condemned to serve JapHeth. JapHeth lost his birthright of A FIRSTBORN to Shem and that is why Shem is listed first; Shem, Ham and JapHeth. Ham, sons 'legitimate sons' never served JapHeth by judgment because JapHeth had already been judged himself for SODOMY and GOMER by Noah. The Bible does detail what happened to Noah as he came out of his drunkeness and realized that 'his nakedness' [his wife] was having sex with her son; Ham. Ham ran out of the tent and summoned his brothers to save the life of their mother. They ran in the tent and took a blanket and covered Noah's wife [His nakedness] as she backed out of the tent away from Naoh. She returned to her sin due to some type of festival that brought all three of Noah's son back in his vicinity and Noah was abruptly made to realize that Canaan was not his son as he had been deceived to believe. She let Canaan be raised up in the east but by that time, the timeline shows that Canaan was alive at this time and he was a very old man him self about 300 years old. Noah came out of the tent and pronounced judgement against Canaan, because he realized that he was not a patriarch like he thought, born after the flood, but he was a bastard. Immediately. all of the Canaanites lost their inheritance, meaning landrights. Noah acknowledged JapHeth's respect and relaxed his judgement but he still did not receive his birthright. Ham's ending was not good though, but the gospel reveals that the Creator did not receive any of Noah's sons. Melchizadek, the Canaanite became the High Priest during the lifetime of Shem. Everything that I have just written is in the Bible. *My Note: I posted this comment about the judgement of Canaan as an edited format in the previous quote, but it was lost.

I agree, the Bible did not sanction slavery 'in the traditional sense' however, you are interjecting false statements. NOAH cursed CANAAN, not Ham, the father. Therefore the other three sons of Ham were NOT cursed This statement is NOT in the Bible. The Mongoloid false 'racial construct' ignores the entire Mongolian Empire of which the very origin was a Black African woman! The Mongolian people were a mixture of people that included millions of African-typed people at one point in time. The racial construct of what became 'White Caucasians' stem from the origin of Black Negroes. LOL. The original Caucasians were definitely 'Negroid'. All three patriarchs came from Noah, a Sheth man [Seth] therefore, the three of them were all pure BLACK as Noah was PERFECT in his generations. Noah was NOT a perfect man, but he was perfect in his generation, meaning that his wife was also pure Seth as he had been. GEEZ. lol. Jap-HETH was black, CHAM was black and SHEM was also black. Out of Ham also came White people too. AbraHAM was Hamitic; he was a Ram. He was AB-original. Noah was a captive, himself, under White Cainites. smh. His son, JapHETH brought a White woman on the ark, nevertheless, no one person is to blame for White supremacy, All modern humans stem from goodness, but many chose to be evil, no matter what color they were. White supremacy began way before Cain covered the head of an evil brown woman.

@Stefan You said, "If an Israelite slave was given a foreign woman as a wife and she birthed children for him, the foreign wife could not be freed, nor her children. That is slavery with no end." That is why I will post the whole chapter because this scripture is misunderstood. Within the same chapter the master is also directed about the servitude of his own daughter of which would help to better understand this scripture. You said, [This is how the Bible explains this when it came time to free an Israelite slave: “If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s and he will go out by himself.” (Exodus 21: 4). Now, pay attention to that verse. The so-called Master could GIVE the slave a wife. Think the woman or the children had any choice in the matter?] This is what happened to JOSEPH! Now, even though Joseph was put to being 'captive' for life which was not condoned, the Egyptians gave him a wife of which he bonded with for life and this connects to what this passage addresses even though it is defined under the definition of 'servitude'. Joseph did not go out but remained in this civilization for life and his descendants ALL OF HIS DESCENDANTS COME FROM THAT VERY WIFE! NO women and children did not have the same freedoms as we do today, and I for one, am grateful I don't live under the law! However, back in those times, the priesthood had to be complete HUSBANDMEN or else women would not be able to thrive. it was a form of complete protection. Now the next scripture you addressed, I had to get some references to refresh my memory: [“If a man strikes the eye of his slave man or the eye of his slave girl and he destroys it, he is to let the slave go free in compensation for his eye. And if he knocks out the tooth of his slave man or of his slave girl, he is to let the slave go free in compensation for his tooth.” (Exodus 21:26, 27)] I will post some CROSS REFERENCE SCRIPTURES to explain this LAW that regards CONTENTION. All of the scriptures, even within the very chapter state that if this situation occurs, it is an ABSOLUTE JUDGEMENT that AN EYE FOR AN EYE, etc!!! Therefore, if a master has contention with his bond servant and takes out his eye or tooth, HE ALSO WILL BE DEALT THE SAME BLOW!!! And then even after that, the master loses his servant WORKER... HE LOSES HIS INCOME COMPLETELY!!! It is a major judgment that is being overlooked and now, I will post some references but, first to address, the FOREIGN WOMAN. If the Hebrew overlord/Master gives 'a foreign wife' to a servant, this addressed the intense Biblical subject of INHERITANCE. If you read the chapter completely, it should become clear why a foreign marriage under a Hebrew system is regarded distinctly different from a master giving his daughter to a servant. Back in those days, it was all about inheritance and big government. After the Exodus, the Hebrew men that married foreign women, could NOT get their inheritance if they did not completely separate from the foreign wives and the children from that union and, it happened again during the time of the Persian Empire. now if a foreign wife was taken after the Exodus, she had to cut all of her hair off and there is much more behind this law as well! No, the Bible absolutely rejects slavery but condones bond servitude even way beyond the Roman times. The Apostle Paul addressed being a servant to masters in the same manner of today, as citizens under America, we are supposed to be law biding government servants or else, God will not fight for us if the leaders are FROWARD. We are not suppose to aggressively attempt to overthrow a system, that God has allowed to set up, Moses almost got cut down for trying to do this too. Anyway, here are some references: Exodus 21:26 Cross References Prov 22:22-23 Psalms 72:12-14. Job 31:13-15. Ex 21:26 Cross References (11 Verses) (openbible.info) EXODUS 21 – LAWS TO DIRECT JUDGES . Laws regarding servitude. 1. (1) These are the judgments. Employment law regarding the treatment of servants. · Murder, manslaughter, and violent assault. Enduring Word Bible Commentary Exodus Chapter 21 [19] And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; [20] Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. [21] And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death. [22] Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. LEVITICUS 24:19-22. [14] Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: [15] At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee. DEUTERONOMY 24:14-15. [21] And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. DEUTERONOMY 21:21. ******* My note; No respect of persons, if a master takes the eye of his servant, he was suppose to have his eye put out too. A great deterrent for abusing hired hands! LOL. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* LAST BUT NOT LEASE EXODUS CHAPTER 21--Explains the laws that govern BOND SERVITUDE of which has nothing to do with what today is known as INHERITED SLAVERY or slavery for life and from generation to generation due to being Black African, otherwise known as CHATTEL SLAVERY. This is the reason for the First Passover when the Hebrews were delivered out of Egypt. They were slaves for life and beyond. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* [1] Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them. [2] If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. [3] If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. [4] If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. [*MY NOTE: if the man does not want the woman, then he can be the master of his own lineage if he does not receive the offer of a wife from the master. Israel received the daughters of Laban, and therefore in the BOOK OF EXODUS, Israel refers to himself as A SYRIAN!!!] [5] And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: [6] Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. [7] And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [8] If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. [9] And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. [10] If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. [11] And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money. [12] He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. [13] And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. [14] But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die. [15] And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. [16] And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. [*mY NOTE-- THIS IS SLAVERY!!!] [17] And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. [18] And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed: [19] If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed. [20] And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. [*mY Note: This is the key scripture to understand this entire chapter!] [21] Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. [22] If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. [23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. [*My Note: Again, the other judgement is that the man/master also will have his eye or tooth put out and then he must let his servant be released with no debt] [27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake. [*My Note: Tooth for tooth!] [28] If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. [29] But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. [30] If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. [31] Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. [32] If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned. [33] And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; [34] The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his. [35] And if one man's ox hurt another's, that he die; then they shall sell the live ox, and divide the money of it; and the dead ox also they shall divide. [36] Or if it be known that the ox hath used to push in time past, and his owner hath not kept him in; he shall surely pay ox for ox; and the dead shall be his own. EXODUS CHAPTER 21.

****************************************************** ****************************************************** FIRST OF ALL the word SLAVERY used by many of the translations needs to be completely thrown out!!! The KJV version only uses the word SLAVE or other forms of the actual word two or three times in the entire book!!!! The definition of the term SERVITUDE is completely detailed also, in the KJV and this should be crossed referenced for those who choose to use other translations and this will reveal a huge contradiction. ****************************************************** ****************************************************** @Addison You said, "a common practice that the servant was paid in advance" I am not sure about that though, but I agree with everything else you wrote. And to add to what you wrote, the very story of JACOB/ISRAEL details his period of Indentured servitude under his uncle Laban and also how Laban mistreated him and cheated him. I recently watched a video of a woman from INDIA who gave an amazing breakdown on this subject and she defined Laban as being extremely arrogant. I learned a lot from her research! @Stefan You said, "If this is not condoning slavery, I don’t know what is. Because you will never read an absolute condemnation of slavery in the Bible." In reference to Hebrews sold themselves and/or their children to pay off debt, but this is NOT CONDONING SLAVERY. This is an absolute condemnation in the Bible under the term of SERVITUDE and here are some scriptures that outlined this in DEUTERONOMY CHAPTER 15: [1] At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. ... [3] Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release; ... [7] If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: [12] And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman , be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. [13] And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: [14] Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. ... DEUTERNOMY CHAPTER 15: 1,3,7, 12-14. this is a complete detailed definition of BOND SERVITUDE to last only a period of 7 years! Now, whether people stuck to that, is another issue, but the Bible does NOT condoned SLAVERY at all.