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I've learned a lot from your threads.

That is news to me! I have been reading about how the reporters have a double standard when it comes to reporting about the Ukrainians versus other ethnic peoples. I also just read that some Africans fled to Russia and were welcomed. The Russian government fed them, clothed them, sheltered them and welcomed students into their college.

Yes, I agree! @Stefan No. I absolutely covered that in my previous post! In the very same chapters about 7 servitude of Israelites, it is also detailed about non-Israelites in that they were absolutely NOT to be mis-treated. However, after 7 years, non-Israelites could re-sign up for another 7 year period. As far as 'prisoners of war', that is another issue. As you outlined, certain people were slaughtered but I as far as 'prisoners of war' can you give scripture reference? No. The Israelites were not to enslave anyone! And, also they were intermixed with these people too because they did not do as they were supposed to do, therefore, it was actually the Hebrews that would end up going back into oppression under these people, so says the scriptures. As far as the scriptures you cited about the certain Canaanites such as the Jebusites, Amalekites, etc. the Bible gives detail during the Exodus about them! I've done years of research on these Headhunters, pedophiles, etc. and extremely incestuous people. AMALEK----AmaLEK--KELTOI --- KELTS-- The Origin of the TRIANGLE SLAVE TRADERS Amalek, the First of Nations Gog & Magog... ********************************** [14] Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: [15] At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee. DEUTERONOMY 24:14-15.

For real! That's a new one on me. This movie was so funny. Ice Cube really captured the mood and atmosphere of that time span. Some of his films, I think are too raw for me, but, I do wish he would make more films. I just recently saw another old flick for the first time, First Sunday, and it was too funny.

@Stefan I addressed your references directly that outlined 7-year servitude. There is nothing in the Bible that condones chattel slavery meaning slavery for life.

@daniellegfny It was a 4 hour video, It took me 6 1/2 hours to view!!! LOL Really great! I want to comment, but later... Good night for now or, good morning... plan to sleep this off.

Ham was not condemned to serve JapHeth. JapHeth lost his birthright of A FIRSTBORN to Shem and that is why Shem is listed first; Shem, Ham and JapHeth. Ham, sons 'legitimate sons' never served JapHeth by judgment because JapHeth had already been judged himself for SODOMY and GOMER by Noah. The Bible does detail what happened to Noah as he came out of his drunkeness and realized that 'his nakedness' [his wife] was having sex with her son; Ham. Ham ran out of the tent and summoned his brothers to save the life of their mother. They ran in the tent and took a blanket and covered Noah's wife [His nakedness] as she backed out of the tent away from Naoh. She returned to her sin due to some type of festival that brought all three of Noah's son back in his vicinity and Noah was abruptly made to realize that Canaan was not his son as he had been deceived to believe. She let Canaan be raised up in the east but by that time, the timeline shows that Canaan was alive at this time and he was a very old man him self about 300 years old. Noah came out of the tent and pronounced judgement against Canaan, because he realized that he was not a patriarch like he thought, born after the flood, but he was a bastard. Immediately. all of the Canaanites lost their inheritance, meaning landrights. Noah acknowledged JapHeth's respect and relaxed his judgement but he still did not receive his birthright. Ham's ending was not good though, but the gospel reveals that the Creator did not receive any of Noah's sons. Melchizadek, the Canaanite became the High Priest during the lifetime of Shem. Everything that I have just written is in the Bible. *My Note: I posted this comment about the judgement of Canaan as an edited format in the previous quote, but it was lost.

I agree, the Bible did not sanction slavery 'in the traditional sense' however, you are interjecting false statements. NOAH cursed CANAAN, not Ham, the father. Therefore the other three sons of Ham were NOT cursed This statement is NOT in the Bible. The Mongoloid false 'racial construct' ignores the entire Mongolian Empire of which the very origin was a Black African woman! The Mongolian people were a mixture of people that included millions of African-typed people at one point in time. The racial construct of what became 'White Caucasians' stem from the origin of Black Negroes. LOL. The original Caucasians were definitely 'Negroid'. All three patriarchs came from Noah, a Sheth man [Seth] therefore, the three of them were all pure BLACK as Noah was PERFECT in his generations. Noah was NOT a perfect man, but he was perfect in his generation, meaning that his wife was also pure Seth as he had been. GEEZ. lol. Jap-HETH was black, CHAM was black and SHEM was also black. Out of Ham also came White people too. AbraHAM was Hamitic; he was a Ram. He was AB-original. Noah was a captive, himself, under White Cainites. smh. His son, JapHETH brought a White woman on the ark, nevertheless, no one person is to blame for White supremacy, All modern humans stem from goodness, but many chose to be evil, no matter what color they were. White supremacy began way before Cain covered the head of an evil brown woman.

@Stefan You said, "If an Israelite slave was given a foreign woman as a wife and she birthed children for him, the foreign wife could not be freed, nor her children. That is slavery with no end." That is why I will post the whole chapter because this scripture is misunderstood. Within the same chapter the master is also directed about the servitude of his own daughter of which would help to better understand this scripture. You said, [This is how the Bible explains this when it came time to free an Israelite slave: “If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s and he will go out by himself.” (Exodus 21: 4). Now, pay attention to that verse. The so-called Master could GIVE the slave a wife. Think the woman or the children had any choice in the matter?] This is what happened to JOSEPH! Now, even though Joseph was put to being 'captive' for life which was not condoned, the Egyptians gave him a wife of which he bonded with for life and this connects to what this passage addresses even though it is defined under the definition of 'servitude'. Joseph did not go out but remained in this civilization for life and his descendants ALL OF HIS DESCENDANTS COME FROM THAT VERY WIFE! NO women and children did not have the same freedoms as we do today, and I for one, am grateful I don't live under the law! However, back in those times, the priesthood had to be complete HUSBANDMEN or else women would not be able to thrive. it was a form of complete protection. Now the next scripture you addressed, I had to get some references to refresh my memory: [“If a man strikes the eye of his slave man or the eye of his slave girl and he destroys it, he is to let the slave go free in compensation for his eye. And if he knocks out the tooth of his slave man or of his slave girl, he is to let the slave go free in compensation for his tooth.” (Exodus 21:26, 27)] I will post some CROSS REFERENCE SCRIPTURES to explain this LAW that regards CONTENTION. All of the scriptures, even within the very chapter state that if this situation occurs, it is an ABSOLUTE JUDGEMENT that AN EYE FOR AN EYE, etc!!! Therefore, if a master has contention with his bond servant and takes out his eye or tooth, HE ALSO WILL BE DEALT THE SAME BLOW!!! And then even after that, the master loses his servant WORKER... HE LOSES HIS INCOME COMPLETELY!!! It is a major judgment that is being overlooked and now, I will post some references but, first to address, the FOREIGN WOMAN. If the Hebrew overlord/Master gives 'a foreign wife' to a servant, this addressed the intense Biblical subject of INHERITANCE. If you read the chapter completely, it should become clear why a foreign marriage under a Hebrew system is regarded distinctly different from a master giving his daughter to a servant. Back in those days, it was all about inheritance and big government. After the Exodus, the Hebrew men that married foreign women, could NOT get their inheritance if they did not completely separate from the foreign wives and the children from that union and, it happened again during the time of the Persian Empire. now if a foreign wife was taken after the Exodus, she had to cut all of her hair off and there is much more behind this law as well! No, the Bible absolutely rejects slavery but condones bond servitude even way beyond the Roman times. The Apostle Paul addressed being a servant to masters in the same manner of today, as citizens under America, we are supposed to be law biding government servants or else, God will not fight for us if the leaders are FROWARD. We are not suppose to aggressively attempt to overthrow a system, that God has allowed to set up, Moses almost got cut down for trying to do this too. Anyway, here are some references: Exodus 21:26 Cross References Prov 22:22-23 Psalms 72:12-14. Job 31:13-15. Ex 21:26 Cross References (11 Verses) (openbible.info) EXODUS 21 – LAWS TO DIRECT JUDGES . Laws regarding servitude. 1. (1) These are the judgments. Employment law regarding the treatment of servants. · Murder, manslaughter, and violent assault. Enduring Word Bible Commentary Exodus Chapter 21 [19] And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; [20] Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. [21] And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death. [22] Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. LEVITICUS 24:19-22. [14] Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: [15] At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the LORD, and it be sin unto thee. DEUTERONOMY 24:14-15. [21] And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. DEUTERONOMY 21:21. ******* My note; No respect of persons, if a master takes the eye of his servant, he was suppose to have his eye put out too. A great deterrent for abusing hired hands! LOL. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* LAST BUT NOT LEASE EXODUS CHAPTER 21--Explains the laws that govern BOND SERVITUDE of which has nothing to do with what today is known as INHERITED SLAVERY or slavery for life and from generation to generation due to being Black African, otherwise known as CHATTEL SLAVERY. This is the reason for the First Passover when the Hebrews were delivered out of Egypt. They were slaves for life and beyond. ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* [1] Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them. [2] If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. [3] If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. [4] If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. [*MY NOTE: if the man does not want the woman, then he can be the master of his own lineage if he does not receive the offer of a wife from the master. Israel received the daughters of Laban, and therefore in the BOOK OF EXODUS, Israel refers to himself as A SYRIAN!!!] [5] And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: [6] Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. [7] And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [8] If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. [9] And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. [10] If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. [11] And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money. [12] He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death. [13] And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee. [14] But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die. [15] And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. [16] And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. [*mY NOTE-- THIS IS SLAVERY!!!] [17] And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. [18] And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed: [19] If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed. [20] And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. [*mY Note: This is the key scripture to understand this entire chapter!] [21] Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. [22] If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. [23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. [*My Note: Again, the other judgement is that the man/master also will have his eye or tooth put out and then he must let his servant be released with no debt] [27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake. [*My Note: Tooth for tooth!] [28] If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. [29] But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. [30] If there be laid on him a sum of money, then he shall give for the ransom of his life whatsoever is laid upon him. [31] Whether he have gored a son, or have gored a daughter, according to this judgment shall it be done unto him. [32] If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned. [33] And if a man shall open a pit, or if a man shall dig a pit, and not cover it, and an ox or an ass fall therein; [34] The owner of the pit shall make it good, and give money unto the owner of them; and the dead beast shall be his. [35] And if one man's ox hurt another's, that he die; then they shall sell the live ox, and divide the money of it; and the dead ox also they shall divide. [36] Or if it be known that the ox hath used to push in time past, and his owner hath not kept him in; he shall surely pay ox for ox; and the dead shall be his own. EXODUS CHAPTER 21.

****************************************************** ****************************************************** FIRST OF ALL the word SLAVERY used by many of the translations needs to be completely thrown out!!! The KJV version only uses the word SLAVE or other forms of the actual word two or three times in the entire book!!!! The definition of the term SERVITUDE is completely detailed also, in the KJV and this should be crossed referenced for those who choose to use other translations and this will reveal a huge contradiction. ****************************************************** ****************************************************** @Addison You said, "a common practice that the servant was paid in advance" I am not sure about that though, but I agree with everything else you wrote. And to add to what you wrote, the very story of JACOB/ISRAEL details his period of Indentured servitude under his uncle Laban and also how Laban mistreated him and cheated him. I recently watched a video of a woman from INDIA who gave an amazing breakdown on this subject and she defined Laban as being extremely arrogant. I learned a lot from her research! @Stefan You said, "If this is not condoning slavery, I don’t know what is. Because you will never read an absolute condemnation of slavery in the Bible." In reference to Hebrews sold themselves and/or their children to pay off debt, but this is NOT CONDONING SLAVERY. This is an absolute condemnation in the Bible under the term of SERVITUDE and here are some scriptures that outlined this in DEUTERONOMY CHAPTER 15: [1] At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release. ... [3] Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release; ... [7] If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: [12] And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman , be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. [13] And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: [14] Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. ... DEUTERNOMY CHAPTER 15: 1,3,7, 12-14. this is a complete detailed definition of BOND SERVITUDE to last only a period of 7 years! Now, whether people stuck to that, is another issue, but the Bible does NOT condoned SLAVERY at all.

@Addison I absolutely agree with mostly all that you have written. @Stefan I believe that the word SLAVE is not interpreted correctly and is THE CONFUSION. I have researched this issue and don't remember all of the references, however, whenever I deal with this topic, I do try to go back over some past references to get a better basis for why I say that there is a huge confusion over this issue of SLAVERY versus SERVITUDE or BOND SERVITUDE. If the scriptures were not complete on this subject, it would be a great contradiction. Therefore, I will post the entire chapter EXODUS 21 so that it may be better understood why I say that SLAVERY was absolutely NOT CONDONED in any manner by God. As you did say, 'servitude' was addressed in detail, though. I also agree that Israelites became slaves to one another int he worst sense, but it was never condoned, 'In the Bible'. i. Some think that the Bible is responsible for slavery. The opposite is true; slavery existed long before Israel or Moses. The Bible is responsible for the elimination of slavery, not its establishment. Enduring Word Bible Commentary Exodus Chapter 21

I agree. I don't feel that she should be pre-judged by other people's choices but give her a chance. So far, I have not read any negative choices made on her part.

I've been so busy and have not been back to this community since Feb 19! HOWEVER, I've been thinking about getting back to this video and hope to give feedback soon.

Yes, I read that America did trade with Russia and continued to do so after the invasion. I also read that some felt that by doing so would contribute to Russia being able to fund their invasion. I had hoped not. I also find it interesting that 16 countries did not vote against Russia's plan to invade; I understand that these countries did not agree, but still did not vote against the invasion and I am still trying to understand why. I know the Eritrea was one of the group and analyst say that in the past, Russia made great efforts to support Eritrea for certain reasons.

JESUS ADDRESSES WHITE SUPREMACY; THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST Some Black Christians sometimes humorously say that Jesus was Crucified right after he called that White Woman a dog, however, I would like to address this incident because it is one of many ancient scriptures that reveals the very purpose that Jesus came to earth. He came to address Satan's purpose of which is WHITE SUPREMACY. The ancient scriptures use the term 'BEAST' to describe 'GOVERNMENTS' and in the Book of Revelations, the government of Satan is detailed and defined as being A MATRIARCHAL SYSTEM. This is redundant all throughout the ancient scriptures and is why Jesus addressed that woman in this manner. The prophets reveal later that this woman was NEVER GIVEN A NAME and proves that her purpose for approaching Jesus was deceptive. That is why Jesus answered her request, but he sent her away. Unlike the woman that was described as selling purple for her trade and who was later written that her name was LYDIA, this Canaanite Phoenician woman that approached Jesus was never given a name and this is crucial to understand the ancient scriptures in regards to 'names written in the book of life'. I also want to stress a very crucial aspect about this incident as well, in why Jesus spoke in that way in order to address the issue of Satanism and White Supremacy. The origin of the Roman Empire is the very origin of that woman, Syro-Phoenicia [Greco-Roman] however, due to so much misunderstanding about the purpose of Jesus in that he came to address Satanism/White Supremacy NOT to attack humanity. He came in that through him the world might be saved. It is important to note that the lineage of the Jews include White women just as well as it includes many kinds of people on this earth, however, that incident pinpoints a great deception on this earth and becomes very crucial for Black people to understand. The Creator did not bless the Jews to intermarry with the Phoenicians because that culture was formed on Colorism and White Supremacy, however, they were blessed to intermarry with many different kinds of people on this earth. __________________________________________________________________________________ [21] Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, … [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. ST MATTHEW 15:21, 22, 26. [25] For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: [26] The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; … ST MARK 7:25-6. [27] But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. … [29] And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter. ST MARK 7:27, 29. Re-Read the ancient scriptures Black people.

Jesus spoke about BEINGS that are DAMNED from the foundation of the world. I believe that African Americans should pray for wisdom and not entertain these strange spirits and White Supremacist who come into our community. Most of us would never waste our time going into a White racist forum, however, these evil spirits spend all of their time thinking about us. ============================================= DAMNED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD [8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. REVELATION 17:8.

In the Spirit of This Month I just saw this pop up on my channel and loved it. Never heard this rendition before, but since this is the month of acknowledgement, I thought it would be nice to post. Lift Every Voice and Sing-- Al Greene & Deniece Williams with friends Lift Every Voice and Sing - Al Green & Deniece Williams - YouTube

There was a lot of hype about the half time show, so I tuned in and thought it was excellent as well. I was too busy with my young ones to listen to those hits way back when, however, I can appreciate it today.

So true. @richardmurray. But after I saw the actor, I was happy to see him later featured in other enriching films. He portrayed an historical figure, T'saint L'overture [sp?].

Just started listening and it is very interesting.

I am ashamed but still feel I need to say this; I've not heard about this incident!!!

Jewish Federation of Greater Rochester – Operation Moses, the first covert operation to bring Ethiopian Jews to Israel, began on this day in 1984 and eventually brought more than 8,000 Jews … Facebook ______________________________________________ MY NOTE: However, I had earlier given the time period of the 1980s when these secret operations began, but I need to make a correction. I went back and went over my research and so, these covert operations actually went as far back as the 1950s about the time of the world wars. Other names for these missions are 'Operation Solomon', 'Operation Joshua', 'Operation Nehemiah', 'Operation Ezra', and 'Operation Majic Carpet'. These covert operations applies to the 'Race' of the Original Jews/Hebrew Israelites of African descent. There are many, many other collective names for them such as Beta Israelite, Falasha and much more. Because these secret missions are not taught formally, many Black people have been confused about the 'historical' aspect of the Jews detailed in the ancient scriptures. Also, about the time of MASADA about AD 70, many of the Israelites were exercised against and driven out of 'the Middle east' if they lived to survive the Genocide attempt against them. Then a thousand years later about the time of the Crusades there is still history of their presence in these regions. But about the time period after Saladin, many of the Original Jews had been forced out of 'the Middle East' again. The history of the presence of the Original Hebrew Israelites is extensive, but it is also hidden history. Operation Moses … was the covert evacuation of Ethiopian Jews (known as the “Beta Israel” community or “Falashas”) [1] from Sudan during a civil war that caused a famine in 1984. Originally called Gur Aryeh Yehuda (“Cub of the Lion of Judah”) by Israelis, the United Jewish Appeal changed the name to “Operation Moses.” [2] Operation Moses - Wikipedia

@Stefan I love the pic you posted! So true.

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