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@Delano, You still have not answered my question. I won't pose it a 4th time. Actually when I was writing about you being touchy about your academic credentials, I was thinking about your recent reaction to K2's questioning them. You obviously feel they are important, but you won't come out and say it now. Your education distinguishes you from your less educated Brethren -- embrace it 😉 Seriously, if you don't know no one else will... indeed a problem in our culture we don't value educational achievement: it is as if learning is something white boys do. How can I know if you are posting your true thoughts? When I ask you a direct question, for clarification, you ignore it. So I, reasonably, assume you are hiding what you truly believe as not to undermine your argument, or to appear elitist, to protect Pioneer, or for some other reason I can not devine. @Cynique There is psychology that explains mob violence. It explains why otherwise compassionate people can be moved to do very evil things

It endures because the ones in charge rule with an iron fist... and you better not mess with their money! There will be a movie made about the kids ordeal I'm sure. It made for perfect the very lucrative "entertainment news" we provide. Honestly I grew tired of hearing about the story. But again other more important stories don't lend themselves to reporting like this story. The individuals were immobile so camera crew could be set up easily, it was good for at least a couple of weeks of infotainment, the story was a cliffhanger, even Elon Musk got involved for a plot twist -- a diver even died during the effort. Wow. Children raised in America, truth be told, would not have been placed in that position. We generally don't endanger our little darlings in such a fashion.

I think you are on to something 🙂 The problem is that it is hard to operate in our current system where the greedier you are the more you are rewarded. The more you can destroy you "competition" the better you are perceived. If you company can grow more profits buy paying works less -- it is all good. Black people will continue to be influenced by what you describe as "caucasian economics" because this is the yardstick that we measure ourselves. This has never served us, but I don't see it changing anytime soon. When the whole system collapses (it is not likely any of us will be around when it happens), perhaps then we will see productive change.

See this is what makes debating you guys impossible: Del does not answer any directly posed questions and Pioneer (like) Del continue to introduce extraneous issues that have nothing to do with the core point I've made. Pioneer we were talking about violence initiated because of minor slights like talking about one's mother, when you cherry picked my quote you took it out of context. Pioneer, as an educated man, I'm not about to go up to anyone and talk about their mother. Your proposed "experiment" is just silly. Did you really expect me to do that, to disprove your point? You are Del are so desperate, you'll dredge up anything you can come up with to confuse and muddle the point I made, and still stand buy, which is: Less educated people are more likely to react violently when someone speaks about the mother than more educated people. This includes additional other perceived personal slights like stepping on ones shoes or getting cut off it traffic. All these issues raised about presidents sending people to wars, degenerates like Bill Cosby, or white collar crime are besides the point. Pioneer says he would react violently if someone spoke about his mother. Again I suggest this is a function of his education. Del refuses to answer the question because he knows admitting that he would behave in such a fashion would make him look childish. Plus Del does concede points easily -- instead he obfuscates the issue with unrelated points and engages in name calling (like calling me elitist when he knows full well I'm not). While Del does not concede points easily he will do it from time to time. Pioneer on the other hand never admits he made a mistake, was wrong, or even misunderstood something (@Delano pioneer must be a fixed sign right?) Obviously, as I pointed out to @Chevdove, these issues are not as cut and dried as my bold faced statement above makes may make it seem.

Congrats on 15 years! I remember the day I met you. Feels like two life times ago so much has changed.

I just updated Stubb's page with his story: https://aalbc.com/authors/author.php?author_name=Stubbs I only have one book for Stubbs can you tell me which ones I'm missing. I hope he no longer lives a life of crime 😉

I seriously doubt Cora Daniels has ever lived in a Ghetto. Cosby and others who believe all folks have to do is pull their pants up and everything in the Ghetto will change over night are either woefully ignorant or doing give a damn about the people they are talking about. How you live is a function of where you live not the other way around. People under stress and separate behave in ways comfortable and well off people don't understand. Books like GhettoNation usually leave out off of the exogenous factors that play a role in creating the conditions of a Ghetto. From the lack of government services including adequate schools, trash removal -- in some cases even water! Lack of banking services including loans. hyper policing including onerous fines and incineration for moniro offenses ignored in other communities. Lack of political presentation due to redlining, and on and on. We could get rid of ever single ghetto tomorrow if the people in ghetto were treat the way everyone else was and is treated - with some God damned compassion.

Yes the book, Becoming, comes out in November. It is sure to be a bestseller. I'm not exactly a fan of the cover, but the cover really does not matter in this case.

Del I don't think anyone doubt 45 is a charlatan, a snake oil salesman, dishonest, and a crook. The issue at hand is will they get him booted from office in less than 6 months. Sure this is possible but exceedingly unlikely. I'll pass on the $100 bet for now. It is funny how bad 45 is. The article shows, he refused to pay a guy below. The guy had to sue and was only paid $158K. Martin Greenberg, who sued the Trump National Golf Club after it failed to pay him a promised $1 million for scoring a hole-in-one at a charity golf tournament.

Del I won't argue with straw man, nor will I argue for absolutes. There are no absolutely when you deal with human being, so you can always fine an exception. I'm speaking about people in general, so if you want to believe that Phds are just as likely to commit crimes as a highschool drop out and that there are no differences between to the two people, then carry on. We'll have to agree to disagree. I see the reason you continue to avoid answering my direct questions is that doing so will reveal the obvious. But you won't do that. You waste time finding some exception to the general case. In the Cosby case, if he was still living in the 'hood without the wealth and education he probably would be more "rapey."

Del, for the 3rd time: do you believe there are any inherent differences between educated people and uneducated people? Del you have a habit of avoiding my questions, while I always make an effort to answer yours. Yes, in general as a person's level of education goes up, one's propensity towards physical violence goes down. Wouldn't you agree? How many MBA do you know who are convicted of doing drive bys? I'll tell you, zero. Most perpetrators of drive bys are high school dropouts.* @Pioneer1 when was the last time you were involved in a physical fight with someone? How old were you and what did they do (assuming you did not start the altercation)? ---------- *I don't know this to be true, but it sound perfectly plausible doesn't it?

I guess we view the paragraph differently Del. When I take your $50 in January. I'll be willing to bet Trump serves his full term, but you'll have to give me odds 😉

I read the first article Del. It is very elucidating, but there is nothing in it that suggests, even in the slightest, that 45 could be removed from office before the year is out. In fact, the article explains why even impeachment may not even happen: "But impeachment is highly unlikely in current circumstances, given that it requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict. It is unimaginable that Republicans, who have tightly yoked their party to Trump, will be willing to impeach..."

@Chevdove, admittedly I've simplified a very complex topic. I too was raised that if someone put their hands you you you hit them back, but my mother did not grow up in an environment with youth gangs. I recall quite clearly backing down from two fights against dudes I could have easily beaten because they were gang members. Neither guy pushed the issue so I was able to save face (saving face, trying not to look like a punk, gets a lot of dudes "kilt.") There are many issues that result in guys killing each other for not good reason. So ignorant, uneducated, and unsophisticated parents keep the cycle of violence going dooling out bad advice to their children. One of the things that struck me is the difference in the way my kids were raised and the way I was raised -- they never had to fight. Now they are girls and it sounds crazy to say it but girls fought almost as much as the boys in my day and the girls could be more vicious. Being afraid, or rather wary of danger, on a regular basis is not a good thing. It is just stressful. I'm sure this stress is far worse for some today than it was for me. I know this is the reason people explode over minor slights. People who live in nice neighborhoods have no clue what people who live in crime ridden ghettos have to deal with. It is hard. @Delano I did explain it. I'll quote you (again): I don't think you really believe what you wrote: Of course there are inherent difference between the educated and the uneducated how on earth can you say there aren't? If there is no difference why did you bother to get a graduate degree and why do you make sure people know you have one or feel threatened when someone questions it?

@Delano Let try to nail down some specific, because you are saying things that I have not said, then using those statements as a basis for arguing my point. I would start to call you "Mr Straw Man," if Pioneer did not hold the distinction. I'm not saying you are being disingenuous because you disagree with me -- that does not make sense. I'm saying you are being disingenuous, because I don't think you are articulating what you truly believe. Perhaps it is because you don't want to appear to be elitist, as you assumed me of being. I don't know your motivation, but I simply do not believe you are arguing, truthfully, that there is no inherent difference between someone who is educated and someone that is not. How many Phd's do you think are in jail for assault? @Pioneer1, next time to you see 45, or even, Obama, kicking someone's ass because someone talked about their Momma you let me know. Shoot, I seriously doubt Obama ever had a fight; that smooth talker probably talked his way out of plenty of beat downs LOL! Now both of these guys have used the armed forces to fight their battles. That reminds me, Hillary and Obama celebration over getting Gaddafi killed was disgusting...

@Kalexander2, the name of the charity is The Literary Freedom Project Enjoy your time off! @Delano, where are you hearing this stuff? Even the most optimistic observers (rabid anti-45ers) here in the U.S. don't see 45 doing time. Again I hope you're right but I don;t see it.

I know a few CO's and sex between the staff and inmates is not uncommon at all. Getting 4 officers pregnant at the same time is extreme but obviously happens. @Pioneer1 the picture you paint of married women with children from stable middle class backgrounds is not exactly the demographic to be a correction officers who alone lay up with some inmate and have their baby. I'm sure if we took a profile of these women we will not find that they come from stable middle class backgrounds.

The likelihood of 45 getting a second term seems quite plausible right now.

No @Pioneer1 you and Del have a bad habit of setting up straw men (basically arguing against points you've manufactured, but that I've never made). Pioneer you said you would get physical with some who spoke about your mother. I said this was barbaric and speaks to a lack of education. Of course there are other factors like class and the so called "honor culture" that play a factor, but less educated people solve their problems with violence and educationed people usually avoid getting into bar fights. Now Deal attempted to bring in the issue of warring nations a point that was easily dispatched by Cynique -- even though I was not talking about nations, but individuals. But @Delano, is being completely disingenuous in this debate by making a statement like: But let someone like @Kalexander2 question his education and he gets completely bent out of shape -- almost as bad as if I talked about Pioneer's mother. @Delano, of course there are differences between educated people and uneducated ones this is not "elitist" this is simply a statement of fact. Educated generally know more, are typically better able to assimilate new information, and expand upon and develop new ideas. Does this make educated people better? With regard to knowledge -- absolutely! Why is this even a point of contention?! This is like arguing that an athlete who trains and competes in basketball for years is no better than someone who never played the game. That would be a dumb assumption what make training the body and different than training the mind? But back to the argument; Pioneer of course a friend talking about your mother is different than a stranger doing it. But as Del reasoned the stranger does not know you mother, so why would their statement make you so upset that you want to fight over it? Are you that really provoked to violence? What is wrong with you?

Again I was talking about the relative level of education of individuals who would be willing to engage in fisticuffs because someone stepped on their sneakers. I was not talking about wars between nations. You are attacking a strawman again. Why don't you just admit that people who want to fight someone simply because they talked about their mother is probably less educated than some who would not.

We fight when we can't use our words. Barbarians resort to violence to settle differences. Del, don't try to confuse the issue by conflating a court battle court with violence. We were talking about violence and the propensity of less educated people to use it for minor slights, like talking about one's mother or getting cut off in traffic.

Ohhhh! At least, I know who my dad is!

Sorry @Chevdove, as I said in the conversation, I misquoted you.

@Chevdove, no, no, no I made a mistake. I incorrectly attributed a quote to you that was made by @samosei -- sorry about that The link that was posted is show below: This is the quote I was referencing -- you research is in tact. I also believe I addressed any issues with the forum with a change iI made yesterday.