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The migrations of people across the planet is very interesting. Man. as the current evidence supports is that we left. Africa in two waves separated by tens of thousands of years. The first wave led to the evolutions of neanderthals (virtually all white people have neanderthals in there DNA). spaiens left later and populated the earth. One branch walked across the bering straits ultimately populating north and south america. We call these native people, but there is evidence that African arrived in both north and south american and even europe much earlier. People we would call Black may have predated what we call native americans by 10K years. There are several books on the site that speak to there evidence. In fact I justed added one today: The Dark Race in the Dawn: Proof of Black African Civilization in the America’s Before Columbus by Kathryn M. Johnson (I'm still collecting information on this book now) But there are others of the top of my head: Africa and the Discovery of America by Leo Wiener, Black Star: The African Presence In Early Europe by Runoko Rashidi, and anything by Ivan Van Sertima

If you want to go deeper then go to the source for the bible. If you understand Astrology and Number symbolism the Bible takes on an added dimension. Jesus in the tomb is a reference to the winter solstice which occurs about Dec 22. Which is the shortest day of the year and then the Light is returning. The Bible is akin to mythology. It is full of true stories that never happened. however being an astrologer I have a particular perspective. Which generally doesn't coincide with Christians.

@Pioneer1 The author of the article I referred to would disagree. He wrote that folks who believe your view are misinformed about the moors. My world travels also point to the fact, that moors were first in europe and then were conquered. This is why it is important to read books but also travel the world to see for yourself. Further, according to historical reports Moors existed all throughout europe and africa They left their stamp in architecture and practiced all types of religions included none at all. Also when you look at Queen's artifacts (sceptre jewels et al) its designs are straight out of the motherland. , Also there's this article in the guardian. "It was initially assumed that Cheddar Man had pale skin and fair hair, but his DNA paints a different picture, strongly suggesting he had blue eyes, a very dark brown to black complexion and dark curly hair. The discovery shows that the genes for lighter skin became widespread in European populations far later than originally thought – and that skin colour was not always a proxy for geographic origin in the way it is often seen to be today" Still, since none of us were there; I tend to go with scientific proof... although I can be swayed stories that fit the narrative I subscribed to - lol

I guess i didn't make myself clear when i said "Once we get over the idea that "good" triumphs over "evil", and are able to attach significance to the idea that the strong prevail..." i meant that "good" and "evil' are just words and what we think of as "good" has no tendency to triumph over "evil". The strong do indeed prevail, and they invariably do this because they engage in what we would refer to as "evil". That's how the ball bounces. And humans can only endeavor to exert some control over their own personal destinies. As for the complicated controversial subject of race, we are all variations of a common theme, imho. I am more amenable to the idea that there is an alien presence on this planet. Debating the subject of race has become a waste of time as far as i am concerned, because it leads down the rabbit hole of semantics. And just out of curiosity, do you know who these "blacks" who preceded the Anglo Saxons and Moors were, and what specific studies support this vague statement?

Cynique, they died. What revisionist white researchers are saying that we did not come from Africa? Unfortunately today you don't have to look very hard to find information that contradicts information that is generally accepted by the scientific community; evolution is a hoax, the earth is flat,.. Extraterrestrial origination does have an appeal. Have you watched this film Prometheus? It has an interesting origin story for humanity:

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This is an interesting conversation -- too deep for me to participate in, but interesting nonetheless.

Then you know it’s pronounced and spelled with a ‘Q’ Quran, not with a ‘K’ Koran, yes? No offense intended but your Islamic friend is mistaken. Not that it matters but I’ve been here in the Holy Land for over five-years and know how important the Quran is to Muslims, a true Muslim would never say their Holy book can’t be relied upon. Your friend, an African American Muslim does not meet the criteria of Middle Eastern Muslim. It is true, however, they do respect the Bible and see it as owning only part of the original scripture (Torah), even with all its fallacies, “turn the other cheek,” etc. Yet, the original Torah and Holy Quran do not contradict each other. Your investigation of these religions is a continuing effort, I presume. I would ask, why would you or anyone else subscribe to your version of a thing, in spite of the original thing? Such as the “Nation of Islam” which fail in every aspect of the Islamic religion. Though I’m, indeed, impressed with the research knowledge you’ve acquired, history of the Jew’s and Middle Eastern conflict; I also question how you derive at the conclusion of the Bible’s authenticity, as a complete record of Christianity and the life of the Christ Jesus! Especially as it is contradicted by every reputable religious scholar in the world.

Yes, I am familiar with the three books you speak of and have done a lot of research about all of them and how the Tanakh ties into this as well. I am aware of the discrepancies with regards to the non-African Jews script that sparked a great conflict in the Middle East during the early MIddle Age perian and how they threatened the Original Jews when they threatened to desacrate the tomb of Aaron and his sons. I studied how the Kione Greek language played a part in how the Septugint was translated about 200 years before the time of Julius Caesar, Augustus,... and Jesus. I have studied about how the Masoretic Text began to be translated beginning the early period of the Middle Ages and how it was not completed until hundreds of years later just before the onset of the Crusades. I sat at the table in a study group with an Islamic man, African American, for over a year and he shared his studies in a group session about the Koran. His take on this was that the Koran can not be solely relied upon for African American Islamic people and he believe the Bible should be apart of the study. I am aware of the violent struggle that broke out during the MIddle Ages, early times between AD 400s and AD 600s because the Original Jews became outraged at the Torah and the addition of their script that included religious doctrines that was not apart of the Original Hebrew script that the Jews still had and were concentrated in present day IRAQ and EGYPT. I am aware of what you speak of. And as far ad the Book of Revelations mention of '666' that you said you did not see at the tomb of Jesus housed in the CHURCH OF THE SEPULCRE in the MIddle East today is not a big issue. A lot of the script that we see today was not bound at the time this CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPULLCRE was built and the tomb of Jesus was placed for the many, many, many Europeans to travel on their MECCA to Jerusalem prior to the Crusades to visit the Holy Land. Nevertheless, I did not just explain that script but I also reference other points that correlate to the prophecyo of '666' as well. But HEY, it is the essence of what I wrote that is also important, not whether or not you have seen it, though. The ARabic and Hebrew script today in the Middle EAst would definitely NOT reflect the Bible, based on my research. But, I'm looking forward to what you have to share as well. The Caraite Jews [ie Karaite Jews] bonded with their relatives, the Islamic men and stormed across North Africa and the faulty script of the Torah was what sparked their rage anyway. This was the onset of the Arabic Movement that followed in the AD 600s. So the Koran is actually based upon the First Five Books of Moses, even though the Koran is not a direct translation. I am aware. So if you are Leary of the Bible, you won't offend me, at all.

Personally, I’m Leary of much that is written in the Bible. With the exception of a few passages conveyed in all the books, “666’ is not one them. I’ve had the privilege of visiting the so-called tome to the Christ Jesus, several times and; read Arabic and Hebrew depictions of the Antichrist and second coming, as well as what is displayed museums in Israel; unless I missed something, and it is possible, there is no mention of 666 anywhere except various versions/interpretations of the Bible. What’s said to be original pages of the Torah and Holy Quran is interesting, and required for anyone seeking honest information about these ideas. Even the original books contradict/disagree with most of what’s in the Bible. I believe I mentioned it before, if one is truly interested in understanding creation from a divine viewpoint, familiarity with ALL THREE BOOKS is necessary. For instance, “man is born of three phases of darkness” depicted in Holy Quran as life inside the wound before birth according to a christian gynecologist whose name I can’t remember.

By the beast, according to the three 'big books' (Torah, Bible, Quran) represents the kingdom of Antichrist and false prophets (or leaders). In that respect, I’d have to say he’s already here, but still unidentified, and Donald Trump would definitely be one of the ‘false prophets’ as with many before him. Although out of focus of my thinking, I have to say this discussion is appropriate because current affairs regarding Trump apprehending and caging babies is evil if there ever were such a thing. Like what happened to Black families during slavery – as I said – “as with many before him. Whether it be false prophets (White folk) or what they do, something, lower than inhumane, is behind it. In any case, to understand what is happening is lose faith in humankind, no matter what the explanation. What else can happen when the anger and hate go away?

By whom, The trollop? You'd believe anything, won't you?

Mel YES! I was just reading a story about the Moors in Britain and ultimately this was the outcome. According to the story, the Germans conquered the dark-skinned British {Moors) and took their land. It is what it is. The Germans conquered the "Blackamoors" and we have who we have Queen Elizabeth II - German in the house of Windsor. The Blacks that lived in England before the Germanic tribes (Angles and Saxons) invaded and conquered them are not the same as the Moors. The original Blacks of England (and Ireland, Scotland, and Wales) were there thousands of years B.C. and practiced a more "nature" religion. The Moors were a LATER group of Africans who came after 700 AD and practiced Islam.

Does this discussion acknowledge or reject the idea that there is but one human race? I entertain the idea that all that goes on within the homo sapiens ranks is nothing more than family conflict that has degenerated into sibling rivalry. Once we get over the idea that "good" triumphs over "evil", and are able to attach significance to the idea that the strong prevail, we can spare ourselves some frustration. Life is not fair. It is, what it is... We must each embark on our own journey and blaze our own trail.

No, laughing is much better than getting angry and shutting down. The mongolians were on a rampage trying to take over the entire world. I don't think skin color was a motivation, but if there is a valid source (i.e. not Dr, Umar) that states this I would be happy to read it. Genghis khan raped so many people that 1 out of 200 people on Earth today are a direct descendant,

Oh, hell-to-the-no! I doubt there are very many heterosexual Black men on Earth -- even --- the British ones, who could give a flying f*ck about this wedding. Assuming Mel is serious, I suspect that there is a strong correlation between the genders (assuming two for simplicity sake) regarding interesting in the "royal" wedding. If there are any men Black heterosexual men who watched the wedding, I'd like to hear from you. What motivated you to do it and what did you get out of it? As far as the so called "race" of the bride, who cares?