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You almost NEVER see that negro smiling. In almost every picture of him, you see him with a frown or scowl or look of disappointment on his face. Not surprisingly..... I was skimming through a documentary on Youtube that said he used to be down with the Panthers and other Black power movements back when he was in college. A lot of Uncle Toms and Conservatives used to be Liberal and even down with the Black Power when they were young.

Chev Those videos you posted about that feral White girl was weird as hell.....lol. I searched through the videos trying to figure out, what happened to her. Are there any videos of her now as an adult? She was a child back in the 70s so she shouldn't be very old.

I would think that it's a rather GOOD thing they did to those animals by freeing them up like that....lol. Let zebras and gorillas run wild through the streets of Paris....lol. Now the French government is talking about banning police protests.

Ofcourse it was planned. MLK was a DOCTOR....he was no fool. He knew the best strategy to get the results he was looking for. Before Rosa, there was another young lady who refused to get up and give her seat to a White man and it became pretty widely known but the Right Reverend decided not to use HER as a catalyst to launch the Montgomery Boycott because she was an UNWED MOTHER. Even at such a young age he had the wisdom to know that this particular woman may taint the credibility of his movement by drawing too much attention to HER "moral shortcomings" instead of the greater problem. So he chose SAINT ROSA....lol. I think that's a GREAT thing and we need to do more planning and strategizing instead of running wild in the streets and OVER reacting every time the racists poke us. It's a show of intelligence and sophistication. If MLK were alive today and leading the anti-police brutality movement....he wouldn't be highlighting and glorifying Black men who are criminals and dead beats. Here's some nigga who just spent 30 years in prison for killing 2 innocent people in a drug deal gone bad and as soon as he get's out...he robs a liquor store and the police catch him and whoops his ass. Although he doesn't deserve to catch a beat down......THAT'S not the type of person you burn down half a damn city over. No.... Although they DO NOT deserve to be abused let alone killed, those aren't the type of people you put up as poster children for victims of brutality. He would have kept BREONNA TAYLOR'S name on everybody's lips and her death would have been the catalyst for a global movement.

Whaaaaat? You mean to tell me that frankster has come out from behind the pulpit.....off the stage....and down to sit and chat amongst the peoples????? frankster Thanks for sharing that, you seem more human and less robotic to me now.....LOL. Like you I also grew up in a lower middle class (working class) environment. My community was just about all Black though. Also like you I grew up with both Parents in the house. I'm guessing you're probably over 40 if you were fortunate to have BOTH parents in the house...lol.

frankster Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature Look at the term you keep using....FROM nature. I ask the question again, how can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? It may be FROM nature but it's on longer IN or PART OF nature. It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites. Which ideas are you specifically talking about? I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct Claiming that something is a "mental construct" is NOT the same as saying that it doesn't exist. Again, you have shown me NO EVIDENCE in which any ancient Africans claimed that time didn't exist. None. You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European? Some are.

frankster Telephones are not of nature nor are they usually found IN nature.....unless someone dropped one by accident on a hiking trip, lol. Enamored of White people???? Are you serious? No, obviously all ideas don't come from White people but some of YOUR ideas that you seem to be impressed by come from them. Ideas like "time doesn't exist" for example. It seems to me that White people....some White philosophers or New Agers...made that claim and now so many people....including people of color...have accepted it and parrot it as if it's a fact, without taking the TIME to actually sit down and think about the statement.

Sounds to me like you haven't held a lot of blue collar or service industry jobs in your life....lol. However, observation has taught me that White people are White people and tend to take their racist attitude and behavior where ever they go. They may practice it in different ways based on their environment...but they still manifest it eventually. If you haven't ran into malicious White gals....you might not have been paying attention, because they're out there in full force. The media industry and academia are full of them. Infact, most of the teachers in America are made up of racist White women. I tell people if you're waiting for a White person to jump out the bushes and call you a nigger to your face as evidence of their racism....you'll be waiting a LONG time. Racism is manifested in so many different ways, you have to learn them because racists tend to be so sophisticated and insidious with their maliciousness. They've learned to do this in order to keep their jobs and maintain their public image. It's not a matter or going around LOOKING for racism...hoping to find it. It's already there. Often hiding in plain sight. It's a matter of correctly IDENTIFYING it.

frankster Then how do you explain the following: Africans claim that there is an entity called consciousness that is not influenced by space and time and exists in living and non-living beings and in a space less and timeless dimension..... that time is an ephemeral concept that exists only in the observer's mind. Time is a mental construct I explain it as supporting MY assertion....and not yours, lol. You said that time "not existing" was part of African philosophy. The excerpt you provided not only admits that time DOES exist but calls it a "mental construct". If something is a construct...it EXISTS. I have Said my piece .... Who would equate Being Alive with a Financial Investment as a equal forms of Risk. Who would prove that someone doesn't take risks...by explaining the TYPE of risks they actually take???? That's like pointing out how low a person's bank account is as proof that they are "broke"....lol. If they were BROKE...they wouldn't HAVE a bank account. Dreams aren't different Realities.....Dreaming is its own Reality With this statement.... Do you mean that Dreams are part of a SINGLE Reality as opposed to multiple Realities?

@zeke1234 I have a lot of questions about your message above, however in order to avoid CONFUSION and not jumble things up -my ORIGINAL questions remain to be answered: 1. Will being born again and submitting to Jesus, protect you from being shot OR going to prison if you shoot someone? 2. You said if WE ALL seek the Lord's mercy and grace together by submitting to Jesus....He will work it out. Is this conditional? In order for Him to work it out, must ALL (every one) of us do this?

No....I call people who fail THEMSELVES "dead weight". In a society like this, the community only has a LIMITED amount of control over what an adult does with their bodies and lives. Much of it is up to THEM. The "community" didn't force Wanda to pick up a needle and do heroin. It may have had a DEGREE of influence on her by it being available, but SHE made the decision to poke herself just like her sister Jennifer made the decision NOT to. Most of it is on her.

richardmurray Does one have to be REARED to be a liar....or does lying come natural to most human beings?

I have a question...... Will being born again and submitting to Jesus protect you from being shot OR going to prison if you shoot someone? Also, you said if WE ALL seek the Lord's mercy and grace together by submitting to Jesus....He will work it out. So am I to understand that this is conditional? Meaning....in order for Him to work it out, must ALL (every one) of us do this?

frankster I never said dreams cannot get you there....Just that once there you are no longer dreamin I guess it depends on your definition of "dream". I already showed you that these are African and Eastern philosophies. "You showed me where some of these are ALLEGEDLY Eastern philosophies...not African." So allow me to repost: You're trying to flip the script and jumble things up with that re-post. The HANTU philosophy wasn't what I was referring too. The beliefs that "time doesn't exist" and the belief that "we create the world with our thoughts" were what I was referring to that YOU claimed were African and I asked you to show me proof. The Hantu belief doesn't support either of those two assertions. As far as our back-n-forth over risk...... YOU SAID that the rich do not take risks, and left it at that. I said they did. Rather than simply admitting you were wrong or didn't think your position through....you tried to RE-DIRECT your argument by qualifying the TYPE of risks that the rich take. That's like a person who claims to be non-religious but when I point out that they practice Voodoo....now they start jumping up and down cussing about the White man's religion and how they refuse to follow the religion of the colonizer. Bottom line is: Say what you mean and mean what you say ...and we won't have these problems. The Moment it becomes another Reality how can it remain a Dream? Because that's what Dreams ARE.....different Realities you go to when you sleep. That's what I've been trying to tell you for weeks now....lol

frankster You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed .I have found truth and i told you where it lies. I didn't ask you did you find truth, I asked you have you confirmed for yourself any of the stories of the Bible as being true. You said you have. I asked you to name three, and so far you haven't managed to even name ONE. Instead you've been running around in circles ducking and dodging behind trees trying to throw me off my original request....lol. But it won't work.... I'm still asking for the stories of the Bible that YOU have confirmed, verified, vetted, as being truthful. We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ. True. The atoms are the same, but the objects they produce are different. They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms. They aren't the same at the atomic level because the atoms are ARRANGED differently. Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons PHOTONS are photons...but the light they produce differs. Just like ink is ink, but the writings it produces varies widely. No...Only in perspective are we Different The perspective DETECTS the actual difference that exists. Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole. So you admit you don't see the big picture...lol. Focusing on only one aspect instead of the whole WILL give you a distorted view. What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures? Let's start with computers, telephones, and microscopes...and go from there. All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature. How can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute? When you say "it"....you are referring to?????? If it's a title then it can be given to others? Not necessarily. Only to Others who qualify....IF any Others qualify. If its an office then others can hold or occupy it? Again, not necessarily. Only to Others qualified to hold or occupy it....IF there are any. First implies others. It implies....but not necessarily asserts or limits. All is Nature and Nature has always existed Energy cannot be destroyed Lol...how do YOU know any of those statements to be true? Have you verified this for yourself, or did you simply hear White folks say them and you're just repeating them?

Without making it too complicated, blue eyes are basically a result of how the pupils appear when there's not enough melanin....especially Eumelanin....in it to give it the standard brown or black color. The article states that the origin of blue eyed people can be traced back to between 6000 and 1000 years ago. Elijah Muhammad taught that Caucasians were MADE (not created) from the original people by a form of selective breeding sometimes between 6000 and 7000 years ago -which pretty much lines up with the dates these scientists' findings. The article states that blue eyed people can be traced back to a single ancestor. Eljah Muhammad taught that all Caucasians come from just 60,000 ancestors who lived together on a single island called Patmos or Pelan. -One is different than 60,000 but in context of an entire global population, 60,000 people isolated on a single island comes pretty close to the "one person" theory. The article actually calls blue eyes a MUTATION. Elijah Muhammad taught that blue eyes....was a result of DEVIATION during the process of making a devil. -Slight differences in that a mutation is considered accidental where as a deviation and making a devil is INTENTIONAL and planned. It should also be noted that ONLY in the West do people find blue eyes "beautiful" and attractive. People from untouched uncolonized societies such as the Indians of the Amaz0n and people who live on remote islands in the Pacific such as North Sentinel Island DO NOT find blue eyes attractive and see them as signs of disease. Infact, often times when someone is blind or eye has a disease....their eye will appear BLUE or GREY.

richardmurray But I don't comprehend what you mean by dead weight, what are you talking about? By that I mean dysfunctional and toxic people who not only refuse to improve themselves but SPREAD their dysfunction and toxicity around the rest of the community, encouraging future generations to be even more dysfunctional and toxic. You must CUT THESE PEOPLE LOOSE or they'll fuck up the program and the progress you make. They will retard and reverse the advancements the community makes..if the community is able TO make advancements with them around. For example.... Uncle Jimmie may be a crack addict who has a history of lying and stealing. But he also has a history of atleast TRYING to get clean, going in and out of rehab, going to the mosque or church trying to "get right". He can be found praying on it and asking for help even when he falters and back slides. He's unfortunate....but he's trying. I don't consider him dead weight. We can work with him. However Wanda from down the street not only is a heroin addict and has been one for over 20 years, but has turned several of her BOYFRIENDS on to the shit as well. She ain't even TRYING to get clean. Infact, she won't even admit she shoots up -if you ask her. She also sells dope to get money to use...but that's not her primary source of income. Her primary source is ho'ing around. ....and she's HIV positive, and doesn't even tell the men she's sleeping with! Wanda is DEAD WEIGHT. She needs to be abandoned...left to the streets. And trust me.....when you study history. Leaving people like that alone and just keeping them away from our community is a VERY NICE way of dealing with them! Be happy I'm willing to let it go at THAT.

richardmurray I understand that you aren't asking anyone to change their opinion.....but I WOULD change my opinion if I were presented with proof or atleast solid evidence that my opinion on the matter was wrong. Else....it's just one man's opinion of history vs another. We need a stable criteria in which we can all reasonably agree on.

Man, if my Parents were still here for me to offer my help to them! The older I get the more I appreciate them.

The wall of silence is real but I still have to wonder what the breakdown of percentages of the Black cops who don't speak up actually looks like. Which reason do the MAJORITY of Black cops who don't speak up and challenge their racist White colleagues fall in to: 1. The blue wall of silence 2. Fear of retribution 3. Simply not caring about non-law enforcement Black folks

ProfD I have to go back to what I said yesterday....... Sho' do have plenty of Black police officers and deputies...lol. I'm not sure what they're doing or where they are when the racist White cops are getting down and dirty, but they DO exist. Atlanta, Detroit, D.C., got Black cops by the THOUSANDS. They have guns and badges just like the White ones. Is there some sort of governing system on their weapons that prevent them from using them on White criminals and suspects?

Regardless, it's still fortunate to have parents who are still alive....especially if the relationship is great!

ProfD Well..... I'm not sure why I believed this....perhaps because of the nature of the conversations we've had. But although you haven't given your actual age....I had the impression that you were slightly older than me. I'm in my mid-50s so I had the impression that you were atleast in your late 50s and possibly early 60s. Again...you didn't say this but because of the things we've remember growing up and talked about....I presumed this. But I say that because I was surprised to hear you say that not just one but BOTH of your parents are still alive! Which is a GREAT thing! You just don't run into a lot of people our age with ONE parent still alive let alone BOTH. But perhaps you're younger than I thought...lol. Concerning the belief in a Higher Power and the afterlife..... I'm not sure if I'd want to live in a world where the most intelligent beings are humans. Especially with this White man running the show. Racism aside.....as good as things can get, there remains a chance of an accident or something happening to ruin shit. I certainly wouldn't work and pay bills.....lol. Not if I thought this was the ONLY life. My focus would be on having as much fun as I could possibly have before exiting MY WAY. But again....this would be ONLY if I TRULY and SINCERELY believed beyond any doubt that there was no Higher Power or Life after death.