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frankster no I am not... Based on your interpretation of colorism....it is a reasonable question to ask You didn't ask a question, you made an intellectually dishonest statement by declaring those San people "brown instead of black". Choosing to focus on their skin color rather than their African racial identity as some sort of weird attempt to confuse the argument. I know that is what you meant....but I felt it necessary to point out that these relatively light skinned people are native to Africa south of the Sahara Well thank you for pointing that out. Yes...Race is ascribe to various biological features especially as an aggregate with other features common to an ethnicity or geographic region. Thank you for expounding on something you claimed you didn't believe in the existence of...lol. Race is absolutely real. You can disagree with it, but to DENY it is unacceptable. Genotype is what is pass on from parent to child....Which gene is expressed depends on diet and geography - Epigenetics You're not wrong, but you're jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other. My point is, when you're talking about the EXPRESSION of genes..you're talking about PHENOTYPE. Africans and peoples who present as black are still under threat from White racism. Correct. What we choose to identify as or NOT identify as is of little important to the White racist, because they can clearly see who you are....which is not them...and will practice racism accordingly. How or what Black presenting people identify as is of very little importance to them. Basically it is a further dividing of the oppress...so as to weaken and foster internal strife and turmoil. Ok, so you're ASSUMING that all victims of White racism are or atleast SHOULD be united. You assume they even CAN unite. Brown Arabs Yellow Asians And Brown Latinos Are also victims of White racism like AfroAmericans and Africans, yet THEY TOO are racist themselves and see themselves as separate from us. So simply being a victim and fellow oppressee of White racism isn't enough to strengthen or unify people, let alone grant victory over racist oppressors. The whole idea of Race is a biological lie.... It is a social construct introduce to divide human beings along lines of their differences....so as to oppress use and abuse for purposes as of greed a section of humanity. You're overlooking the simple. Race is CATEGORIZATION. It's a way of categorizing people based on their phenotypical difference. Phenotypical difference are based on GENES which are biological. You can disagree with the process or whether or not it should be done all you want, but you can't call it a "lie" because it's not a lie, it's an actual fact. Most humans are 99.9% identical in their genetic make up.... Ok? There is an extremely close genetic make-up between men and women also, that mean SEX/GENDER doesn't exists and is a biological lie? I posted people of the same Khoi San people who treat their hair....to demonstrate that what they have is a afro hair Please....peppercorn or peasy hair you posted is mostly a result of washed untreated uncombed hair Untreated uncombed??? I've known a lot of people who've gone months without their hair being untreated an uncombed...but it doesn't bead up and nap up like that....lol. Look at the average homeless Black man on the street with kinky hair that hasn't been washed or treated in probably years, I bet you won't find anything on his head looking like those San people...lol. "I know I ain't washed up in a while.... but i KNOW my shit ain't go look like that!" The most that will happened to the average curly or kinky hair that remains unwashed or untreated is that it will grow out and mat up or turn to dreads, but it will never get NAPPY or BEADY. That's a genetic trait. Their hair is beaded and nappy by NATURE, not because it was "untreated" or uncombed.

frankster I do not believe in Races so why would I accept the idea of any human being being 3/5.... Because you earlier said this woman was Black because "society" said she was. If society...by your standard...sets the definitions for people's identity and you agree with it (apparently), then it follows that you would also agree with society (at that time atleast) declaring that Black Americans are only 3/5 human. The choice have been made....I am one of the Oppressed Oppressor and Oppressed are relative terms depending on the environment and situation. In the contemporary system of the United States, Caucasians are the oppressors and AfroAmericans are the Opressed. In one of my neighbor's houses down the street, HE is the oppressor and the mice in his house that he is trying to trap and kill are the oppressed. At the temp service down the street, the temp workers are oppressed and most of the supervisors they work under are the oppressors. It all depends on who's in charge and in a rulership position and who is submitting to them. Not all Rulers are Oppressive....heavy is the head that wears the crown True. However nobody who is being oppressed is a ruler. And that's a RULE, lol. I'd rather be in a RULERSHIP position myself, rather than roll the dice on whether or not I get an oppressive or non-oppressive ruler. Calling and recognizing that everybody is human is a start. How is questioning someone's race...questioning their humanity? (Unless..like you...they support the 3/5th decision, lol.) Presenting mixed people are just as human as Black or White people. They just aren't Black. Just like I'm just as human as a woman, doesn't give me the right to identify as one. Getting arrested and going to jail is a protest. Actually...getting arrested and going to jail is simply GETTING ARRESTED and GOING TO JAIL. You don't necessarily protest a damn thing. Well Racist are still trying to find a scientific rational or biological basis for race....so far they have not found anything that stands up to scientific inquiry and rigors of proving. Racists don't need to. They believe in the existence of race and weaponize it regardless of the biology or science of it. You can quote science or deny it all you want, a White racist will STILL see you as different from them based on how you look whatever you want to call it. As of today Race remain a scientific and biological fiction. If it's fiction, why do doctors and scientists recognize it and formulate medicines and write articles with race as a factor? They obviously not only recognize it but also understand it....even if YOU refuse to, lol.

ProfD Man, your first two pictures remind me of an exchange that took place between a woman at work from Tanzania who showed me a picture of her when she was going back home to see her husband. I guess she was trying to impress me or something as we were talking about make-up and looks and what women do. She is actually darker than the woman on the left, pretty smooth skinned sista with her hair braided and wrapped up for work. She showed me a video and it looked so much different, she was as light as Jasmine Guy with her lower hair straight and with blonde highlights! Braided at the top towards the roots but straight as Chinese at the bottom with blonde highlights and she's flinging it all over the place as she's riding with somebody on her way to see her husband. Face yellow. Even her neck and hands were yellow down to her chest. The only thing that reminded me of her were her facial features. I said, "What the fuck is this?????" She looked up at me smiling...eyes all juicy...saying she was on her way to see her husband. She initially assumed I was surprised in a "good" way at how she essentially changed races. She found out 5 minutes later....lol. She couldn't believe that as a man I actually found her 10 times more attractive/prettier as the dark skinned sista that she was in that video.

Don't feel too bad, most Black folks I've talked to don't know about the riots. Just like most Black folks I've talked to didn't know about the murder of our sista Sonya in Illinois. I'm not surprised at how much our people DON'T know, anymore. It would seem like race-riots where mobs of angry White men are roaming around attacking Black and Asian people....even though it's in England...would still be HEADLINE NEWS for most AfroAmericans given how close we are politically and culturally to Europe and especially England. It's the West. It's on all the major news networks, and Black people in the UK are all over social media crying and begging for help and confused about what's happening. But in good old U.S.A......DeVonte and Tanesha don't know a thing about it, and probably don't give a damn. Too busy on the couch playing video games and smoking weed I guess. "Riots in England? Square bid'ness? That's where Slick Rick 'n em come from right?" That is....until they get a knock on THEIR front door. Then shit starts to get real.

frankster Human Beings are biological creatures.... all are homo sapiens sapiens AfroAmericans are political and social creatures.....The idea of 3/5 humans was a political idea and race is a social idea That being said..... The fact remains that "society" believed it and supported it. Just like "society" sees this woman is Black. If you agree that this woman is Black because "society" says it, then it would follow that you'd agree with "society" on other matters also such as the 3/5 idea. The moment you begin to divide people....you become an oppressor of those who are divide out they become the "Other" Well..... Would you rather be the oppressOR or the oppressEE (is that a word???) oppressED? Take your pick. Because in this world, either YOU have power and are ruling over somebody or you DON'T have power and somebody is ruling over YOU. Me personally, I'd rather be a RULER than RULED over. What if they experience prejudicial and discriminatory oppression because society deems them to be black? It's a testimony to how blind and ignorant your beloved "society" that you put so much trust in, really is. The goal should be to stamp out anti-Black racism. Calling "everybody" Black doesn't accomplish this goal one bit any more than purposely getting arrested and going to jail solves the problem of police brutality. By the fact that races do not exist as a biological truth.. ...which is not a fact. So we can forget the rest of the assertion.😉 Chevdove I don't agree though, that just because Harris referred to her adoptive mother as beautiful translates to her being a beauty standard. It wasn't Harris who referred to her mother as beautiful but the mixed raced woman in the video originally posted, who did. Nothing wrong with a person calling their mother beautiful. I would refer to my own Mother as beautiful. However what was telling was HOW she referred to her being beautiful. She didn't just say her beautiful mother but referred to her being Swedish/German before calling her beautiful. Suggesting that her beauty was tied to those ethnic roots. I know though, that we African Americans do have that problem in our background. Ofcourse. And we need to reeducate ourselves as stamp it out....like we did in the 60s and 70s. Our community used to be VERY color-struck before the 60s, but then along came the Black Pride and Black Love movements and dark skinned became beautiful to use again. Along with Jet Beauty and Essence, we fell inlove with our Blackness. Most other cultures around the world haven't had that yet, so many of them still worship white skin as the ideal standard. I am not sure how to answer that question. Don't feel too bad, there doesn't seem to be a question there to answer....lol.

frankster True because its a trait....a phenotype is a collection of traits - curly or coily hair type These people are definitely not black.....but brown They are Africans We are all Africans and Africans have the widest genetic diversity....these are some of the most unmixed peoples You're being intellectually dishonest with that statement. Almost NOBODY is "Black" if you want to use actual skin pigment as the standard as to who is "Black" and who isn't. Most people on the planet are various shades of brown. No, when we say "Black" we are talking about those of Sub-Saharan African origin, and I think you know that. In other words these traits are in all humans.....just to varying levels and degrees of expression - Genotype Ok...to different levels and degrees of expression. Depending on what level they are at, is how they are racially classified. BTW....the expression of it is not "genotype" but PHENOTYPE. Yes....but only after their is no chance of reconciliation Who determines how many "chances" are left, and also who determines what constitutes as a "chance" for reconciliation. The division you are recommending is more of an abandonment of people facing or enduring oppression in their time of need. There "time of need"???? 1. Who "needs" to identify as a particular race? Germany has been defeated and the Nazis no longer pose a major threat, so who is threatening people with harm if they don't identify as a particular race? 2. How is LYING to people about what race they are or allowing THEM TO LIE about what race they identify as...helping them in their time of need? Abandoning people in their time of need is truly a despicable act... You must not be a parent of an adult child, especially a spoiled/selfish/undisciplined one, lol. If you were, you'd know sometimes strategic abandonment is one of the BEST things you can do for them. In the picture you posted of Africans who are not black but brown....would you divide out/against these san people? I've already addressed the question as to the racial use of the word "Black". Those type of classification and categorization has always been used as a means to oppress So has the sword and other weapons. Does that mean that we shouldn't take control over them and use them for our own good? Chevdove CURLY or COILY HAIR anyone 'race' can express that trait, but NOT nappy hair. Excellent observation. Which is why I posted the picture of the San people I posted above as opposed to the pictures that frankster posted. My picture showed people with truly NAPPY hair. Very tightly coiled. Unlike the pictures he show of people with merely curly hair that can be found among Europeans as well as Africans. Strangely enough, you don't find any type of kinky or curly hair among Native Americans or East Asians. I read that her mother and father separated when she was five years old and that it was a bitter separation and so, her mother raised her as a single mother. Tough! Yeah... One more reason why I would have rather had Michelle Obama instead of Kamala. On top of having a White husband, when you read her story....it's similar to Barack Obamas of having to be raised by their non-Black mother because their Black daddy "ran off" somewhere. The imagery is just not what it should be. ProfD Her father identifies as a Jamaican-American. He's Black just like Bob Marley was despite complexion. You know Bob Marley was mixed race, though. Kamala....although better than Trump....is just not Black enough for me, lol.

@frankster I'm not sure why you would find the concept of "degrees of Blackness" so much more divisive. It's not like AfroAmerica hasn't ALREADY been divided since it's inception by degrees of Blackness. Most mixed and light skinned people have historically enjoyed privileges that the majority of our people weren't privy to, whether they asked for those privileges or not. In the past most mixed and light skinned people saw themselves not only as different than other AfroAmericans but in many ways BETTER than other AfroAmericans. Today this isn't so much the case AS MUCH as it was in the past...but it's still there in many circles. Infact, many AfroAmericans THEMSELVES often hold mixed and very light skinned people in higher esteem, especially when it comes to looks and sexual attraction. How many dark and brown skinned brothaz can be found chasing after the closest redbone in the vicinity? Even back in elementary school (I'm talking 1st and 2nd grade even) I can remember light skinned girls had their own little clique because so many boys were slobbering over them and treating them special. How many parents can be found favoring their lighter skinned and mixed children? To say that drawing clear lines of demarcation between Black people and non-Black people will only further divide the Black community is like saying identifying and separating illegal immigrants from Americans will only further divide America. Uh...duhhh...they AREN'T Americans in the first place, so it doesn't divide America. Likewise, identifying who IS and who ISN'T Black doesn't divide the Black community but actually strengthens it because you no longer have "questionable" people posing as Black in our ranks ready to "code switch" and identify with whatever is convenient at the time. The divisions are already there. Perhaps as AfroAmericans we should take the reins in OUR hands and decide for ourselves along what lines our community will be divided and categorized by.

frankster How do you know....it cannot make you smarter? By looking at most of the people who smoke it...lol. Most of the people I see who smoke a lot of weed are either of normal intelligence or dumb as a box of crayons. And the few smart people I know who do smoke it GET temporarily dumber when they smoke it, lol. Thats going against centuries of Shamanic Ancestral Wisdom of nearly every culture. Most Shaman don't smoke marijuana. Not sure where you got this information They smoke a variety of herbs from Africa and the Americas that put them into direct contact with the Spirit Realities and other Realities. Marijuana doesn't do that. It is in this "feel different" state that wisdom is often sought and found.. Wisdom...which is the proper and wholistic understanding of people or things or events...is usually gained through experience and age in the framework of sound intelligence. Not by smoking marijuana or drinking a beer. Most people who smoke marijuana simple THINK they're getting smarter because of how it's making them feel. Just like drunk people who THINK they can drive....because they feel they can. They aren't gaining knowledge or wisdom from smoking weed, and the proof of that is the fact that they aren't able to accomplish anything high that they couldn't do when they were sober; and in most cases can't accomplish as much.

Weird thing is, I don't see a lot of AfroAmericans talking about these riots on social media....although they definitely are race based and highlights the contrast between how the police treat different racial groups in the West. Why did I immediately pick up on this while it doesn't even seem to be on the radar of most Black journalist and commentators?

frankster it is true statement It's a true statement IF: 1. Her father was predominately of the Black race or atleast presented as such. As opposed to looking like Prince or one of the DeBarges...lol. 2. Her mother was BORN IN ITALY. Italians are born in Italy. If she was born in the U.S., may as well call her an American White woman and get it over with. How Black????....as in degrees of blackness Yes, there are....just like there are degrees of "whiteness". Swedes are consider "more White" than Greeks or Italians. She grew up in a racist society....and those are the standards of beauty... Standards she probably adopted herself, and may even pass along to HER children. Which will surely give them low self esteem if they are her complexion or darker. Yes they are black if society says they are. So since "society" at one time said AfroAmericans were only 3/5 of a human being, then that means they were indeed? This idea is not new...it was introduced to the west in the 1500 to oppress non white people called the Casta System - Mulatto creole octoroon quadroon etc That aspect of it...I have no problem with. I think maybe we should categorize AfroAmericans similary, but WE control the categories as opposed to the oppressor. Well some say they do not feel accepted by the black community....as they are seen as not black enough. Perhaps they aren't accepted by the Black community because they aren't Black AT ALL. Half = HALF Simple mathematics. The confusion comes in when you try to call someone who CLEARLY isn't Black and doesn't look like most Black folks...."black" anyway. You are entitled to your opinions....no matter how misguided I think they are. By what standard do you call my opinions "misguided"? Should the correct "opinion" be to accept EVERYBODY with one drop of Black blood in them as Black? richadmurray Outside the Book passing, by nella larsen, what book do you think deals with internal phenotypical heritage in the black populace in the usa , robustly? Although it's fictional, the book "Imitation of Life" comes to mind. However, depending on what you mean by "internal phenotypical"....it could actually be an OXYMORON. Physically speaking, if it's phenotypical...it is usually expressed externally.

frankster There is no phenotype that is exclusive to any one race.... if so inform me Tight nappy hair is the exclusive property of the African/Black race, lol. You ain't going to find this hair on ANY other race except African...lol. Thats not proof .......thats a definition It is absolutely proof...that you simply don't want to accept. Race is a categorization based upon phenotype, which is based upon genetics...biology. The thing with divisions is that it tends to lead to enmity and more division. Sometimes it does....and sometimes that's a GOOD THING. Sometimes division PREVENTS more enmity and violence. Would you NOT recommend division (separation/divorce) between a woman and an abusive spouse if it would eventually save her life? Since they are not accepted by whites and half their family is black.....i think you will end up with more confusion Since their White side of the family doesn't accept them...does that mean the Black side MUST? The Black community isn't a JUNK YARD. Some place for people things to go when they don't fit in or aren't wanted anywhere else. No, calling people "Black" who clearly don't LOOK Black and AREN'T Black is what leads to confusion. Little dark skinned Black girls seeing yellow skinned people with straight hair like Beyonce constantly being called "beautiful Black woman" when they don't look anything like her and know they never will. They are not white either ....... Right, so they should start their own category, not be FORCED into one they don't belong in. They say necessity is the mother of invention. Cynique I tend to agree with those who say it is a social construct. (It would certainly have to be if, as Pioneer claims about blond blue eyed Polish and red haired green eyed Irish people at one time not being considered white, is true!?) 1. I agree that race IS a social construct. But it's not ONLY a social construct, but a social construct based on biology. 2. I didn't make claims about Polish and Irish people at one time not being considered White, frankster did. To me, hair texture is a very good race marker. It seems you beat me to it, with this statement...lol. Another would be GREEN eyes. There are fully Black people who are occasionally born with blue eyes, but the ONLY people I've seen with green eyes are Caucasians. As for the pedigree of America's slave descendant population, we are actually a hybrid breed that could be classified as a subdivision of the Negroid race. This is where it gets a little complex. I refer to our people as AFROAMERICANS...an ETHNIC GROUP...not a race. We are composed of MULTIPLE races and combinations, where African/Black predominates. Which is why I accept Kamala Harris as an AfroAmerican but I don't consider her Black. Of course, as Troy is always quick to remind us, the current school of scientific thought contends that there is only one race; the human one. There is no such thing as "one race". By definition, race is a CATEGORY...which means there must be multiple options to choose from. That's like saying there is only "one species" or "one choice". If there is only one...it's NOT a choice, or option, or category.

frankster How do you recognize this predominance? I don't always, but usually through phenotype. Phenotype is the PRIMARY basis of race. Present your evidence or proof of the biological basis of race? I present to you Webster's Dictionary definition of Race: So you recommending more division.. Initially....yes. And ultimately EXCLUSION....to eliminate and heal some of the division. Once mixed and non-Black people who are currently accepted as Black in our community are EXCLUDED from identifying as and being accepted as Black, then what will follow is less confusion and division among us. In America Mixed has always meant Black Most Latinos are mixed, but they usually aren't considered Black. Even most of those mixed with Black ancestry aren't usually considered Black. And what about White/Asian mixes? Most Native Americans are also mixed but aren't considered Black. You may want to re-think that one, lol. Those who present as mixed.....say they feel as if they do not belong or accepted to/by either race. True. What does that have to do with them NOT being Black? okay but that still does not mean fully or totally. ??? Who set the standard as "fully" or "totally"? Not me. I say and will continue to say that you should claim the race you PREDOMINATELY present as phenotypically. Even if you do have a White parent, if you present as a Black person phenotypically then as far as I'm concerned you ARE Black...not mixed.

Interesting video........ I'm glad you posted it because it highlights many of the arguments I have AGAINST accepting mixed race people as "Black". First of all, she looks good to be in her mid 50s. Second of all, notice she said her father was "Black" but her mother was "Italian". She...like most people...mix up race with ethnicity; but I think she did this on purpose to conflate the two. She could have said Black father and White mother, but she instead focused on her mother's ethnicity to somehow perhaps subconsciously disguise the White side and focus on the Black side. Keep in mind also that many AfroAmericans who are called "Black" are mixed up themselves so there's no telling "how Black" her father was. Third, notice how she refers to her adoptive mother as a "beautiful" Swedish/German woman. Tells me that she sees those people as the standard of beauty. Also how she refers to the little girl she had a fight with as a blonde girl with ribbons in her hair, also holding her up as a high standard that she probably felt she didn't measure up to. Fourth, she points out the fact that she looked like another "Black" woman who was Jane Kennedy. But Jane Kennedy is ALSO MIXED RACE. So you have mixed people calling themselves "Black" and trying to represent the Black community but really identifying with eachother. This is part of the problem which leads to further division and confusion INSIDE the community. What I REALLY heard from her was....like most mixed race people in the U.S...she WASN'T ACCEPTED by the White community she was raised in and had no choice but to either be isolated or identify with the Black community because she KNEW that mixed people are often readily accepted in our community. However I DO NOT consider her Black. Just because White folks don't accept her as White....doesn't mean I have to accept her as Black. She's mixed. She should be proud of that fact and identify as such.

frankster How do you define "black" as in a racial category? I personally define a Black person is one who is PREDOMINATELY (key word) of Sub-Saharan African descent. Since there is no biological basis for race....we are often using ethnic characteristics as a base for socially construct race. I agree with the second part of your statement, but not the first. I believe there is absolutely a biological basis for race. Just ask 23andMe....lol. American(Nationality) as an ethnicity is split in two Cultural and Phenotypical divide.....Black and White mostly based on how you Present and Represent In this time or on this occasion or for this purpose "half "only serves to divide...us Black American people Have we not already been divided as a people? Going back to the "paper bag" tests and light skinned vs dark skinned? I'd argue that perhaps we (those calling ourselves "Black Americans) NEED to be divided from eachother somewhat because we don't need people who have the luxury of "code switching" whenever it's convenient for them. Mixed when it's convenient... "Black" when it's convenient... We are all composed of varying proportion of multiply Races(ethnicities)...at what fraction do you become one or no longer of the other? I'd agree that most of us are composed of varying races, not sure about ethnicities....since ethnicity is based on culture more so than biological factors. I actually had a deep discussion with a young lady a couple weeks ago who insisted that she was "half Catholic"...lol. But this is why I said earlier that I consider a Black person a person of PREDOMINATELY Sub-Saharan African ancestry. Do you really know anybody that is "fully black" or "fully white"? Hard to say. I know quite a few Africans from places like South Sudan and Congo with...as far as anyone knows...absolutely no Caucasian admixture what so ever. But is anyone "fully male" or "fully female"? Both sexes have various degrees of both testosterone and estrogen, so it's a matter of which hormone predominates and what sexual organs are more pronounced.

I find it VERY interesting how the international and British press are covering the race riots mass protests over in the UK. I find it even MORE interesting how the police and local authorities are reacting (or not) to them. Here in America, 2 cops can shoot down a gentle, attractive (Does being attractive really make a difference? Usually with men), unarmed Black woman in her night gown (sad just thinking about it). Contrast that with England, where every night you've had entire gangs of angry red-faced White men roaming around with bats and axes smashing property, burning cars, threatening people, and even assaulting police officers....yet you haven't heard of ONE SINGLE DEATH. Not even one shot fired. Imaging that..... A British cop has a gat on his hip and some angry half drunk Brit runs up with a rock and pops him upside the head with it. And what does that cop do? He swings around in a damn green vest and runs back into the police station and stares back at the mob...eyes blinking in amazement....behind a glass window with blood trickling down some a rosy red cheek. The gat on his hip still fresh and shiny...looking brand new. Not so much as a fingerprint on it. Something isn't adding up.....

Well that's the thing about supporting Trump. I'll admit, if the man HADN'T ALREADY been in office for 4 years and didn't do shit for us. Based simply on what I've seen and heard in these past 4 years from Biden, Harris, and Trump; and what I know of Trump's financial history.....I too would be inclined to give the man a chance. Although he's a liar and a racist, my reasoning is that he is a business man and perhaps Black people in positions of leadership could possibly broker a deal with him and get SOMETHING out of it. I also would be inclined to believe that he really would be tough in immigration to a certain extent. Tougher than Harris would be, anyway. But hell, the man has ALREADY been in office and showed what he was going to do. Absolutely nothing. From a PRACTICAL point of view, there will be no difference between the actions of Trump or Harris. Presidents are just figureheads, while the real policy makers are behind the scenes. The real danger of Trump being in office is how he emboldens the racists on the street level and in law enforcement. His image and what he represents is unbridled racist White masculinity....like those riots over in England.

You believe it's fear? People who often live around death and destruction (from eachother unfortunately) on a daily basis. Grew up seeing their friends and relatives killed infront of them, many of whom have been shot and stabbed themselves. ....but you believe they are "afraid" to confront the authorities over the murder of our sista? Perhaps you're correct, it IS fear. Maybe they subconsciously revere and respect Caucasians so much that they fear being harmed by them more than being harmed by a fellow AfroAmerican. I still tend to think it's indifference MORE than just fear. It's unfortunate, but I really believe that many if not most of our people simply DO NOT CARE. Even if you stop one of them to talk to them about it they usually don't know what happened, and if you spend 3 minutes to explain (if you can hold them that long) what happened, they'll say "Damn, that's fucked up"....and continue to go about their way smoking on whatever they were smoking on.

ProfD I agree with that observation. I'd also say that based on my interactions, most educated (academic wise) AfroAmericans tend to support Kamala and the Democrat party in general while most of the Black Trump supporters I know tend to be on the extreme ends of the socio-economic ladder. The few AfroAmericans I know who are very wealthy, support Trump simply because he's a Republican and they are Republicans anyway. They don't like a lot of his populist rhetoric but they support tax cuts, deregulation, and other typical Republican positions. The vast majority of AfroAmericans I know who support Trump are typically poor or broke, go to church a lot and/or smoke a lot of weed, and are easily persuades by simpleton arguments like: "Build a wall and get rid of all them illegals" "Men need to stop being sissies and become real men again" "Democrats support killing babies in the womb" They hear shit like that and they don't stop to analyze it or where it comes from, they just like it because it "sounds" good...especially when it's said boldly by somebody like Trump.

They are great at providing the illusion when it comes to including women and Latinos. When it comes to including straight Black men as part of their "diversity" program....they don't even PRETEND to give a damn. Back in the 70s and 80s they would hire Black women to kill two birds with one stone (hiring a woman and hiring a Black person), but since the LGBTQIA+ movement....they said screw that, we'll just hire gay white men and lesbian white women and call THAT diversity! As far as seeing women as equals. I can't speak for all or even most men, but I can honestly say that I see women as equal to men both biologically and in terms of divinity. However I definitely believe we have different roles to serve and duties to perform and we function best when we function within those natural capacities. Men tend to be the best protectors and providers. Women tend to be the best caretakers and nurturers. However when the occasion arises where the opposite may occur, those talents and inclinations shouldn't be punished but acknowledged and respect. If a woman is better at making money and using weapons, then SHE should be the breadwinner and protector of the family. If a man is better at baking the bread and raising the children, then HE should be the stay-at-home parent and maintain the home. This isn't the "usual" case, but when it is.....it should be accepted as just one piece or tile in the beautiful mosaic of society.

Now that the spotlight is on America, now would be an EXCELLENT opportunity for either LeBron or Simone to bring attention to the murder of our sister Sonya Massey. Not that people from other nations would strap up and come storming into the country to save our people from police brutality, but to keep it on their minds so it doesn't get buried. It's ironic that Black athletes are performing so well in the Olympics for the entertainment of people of other races, because the ORIGINAL Olympics was the very opposite. In the ORIGINAL Olympic games...which were performed by the athletes butt naked...Caucasian athletes performed for an audience of Black "people". The so-called "gods" of Greek mythology were original Black "people" of extraordinary mental and physical abilities. After many of the Caucasians were somewhat civilized by Musa and formed societies of their own, they looked up to these "gods" and would perform physical feats to impress and honor them. This is where the Olympics came from.

Different women are desired for different purposes. Some women are desired as "trophies", while others are desired for sexual gratification, and others desired as ideal home-makers. This is on an individual level and somewhat on a cultural and even racial level. Yes, White women as a group tend to be desired....as "trophies" to a lot of men. Although in the United States East Asian women are held up more as trophies by White men. However for sexual enjoyment, Black women tend to be the most desired by men of all races. I didn't say as trophies, or as ideal house-wives, but as the most ideal to have sex with. Not saying that I agree with any of these generalities, but those have been my OBSERVATIONS over the years.

I wish we were excelling like this economically and politically, however it's LOVELY to see our people shine!

If Black males don't come out in large numbers, it's not the fault of Black males but the fault of the politicians who refused to "woo" us. You can't spend 364 days of the year ignoring and shitting on Black men and calling them the oppressors of the community and advising our own women to leave us, while promising us as a group absolutely nothing tangible or otherwise....then turn around and scratch your head as to why we aren't enthused about voting for you. ProfD I don't see the Dems reducing FBA/ADOS population as much as neutralizing the Black vote by giving illegal immigrants citizenship. I agree and see the same attempt. I don't see them actually "reducing" FBA population but I do see them attempting to REPLACE the population in certain key areas both geographically and physically. OTOH, the GOP claims there will be mass deportations of illegal immigrants and proof of citizenship will be required in order to vote. They've BEEN claiming this, but they haven't done it. Remember...and this is a point I constantly bring up in real life to Trump supporters...the man ALREADY WAS IN OFFICE for 4 years. Did he reduce the amount of illegal immigrants or build a wall to keep them out? No What makes people think he's serious about doing it again? Some folks think his comment was code for dictatorship. POTUS OJ is delusional if he thinks American people will stand for it. You'd be surprised at what the American people will tolerate. I didn't think these many Black folks would be pro-Trump. Never underestimate the power of media/mind manipulation. Remember how quickly people forgot that Trump was SUPPOSED TO BE SENTENCED in July for his being found guilty? What happened to the sentencing? Troy I don’t think it was done to destabilize, black male female relationships. That job is already been completed. Institutionalized Racism isn't like the Moderna Vaccine....one shot and you're done, lol. It's a PROCESS that must be constantly maintained. Just like each generation of intelligent AfroAmericans constantly come up with new ways to REPAIR the fragmented relationship between AfroAmerican men and women....the racists are constantly coming up with new ways to keep it fragmented, less the wounds begin healing. In states like California and New York it does not matter so much... I know there are some of you that would bristle at me saying one more Black person voting democrat in California or New York ain't gonna make a difference in the outcome of the election How many Black voters do we still HAVE in California????

We also need to have more clear cut definitions about WHO is FBA and WHO qualifies for Reparations. I've heard people call Roland Martin an "immigrant" though he was born right here in the United States. Perhaps his parents may have migrated, not sure...but he's a Black American. I've heard people say that the ONLY Black people who deserve Reparations are the FBA, not anyone descended from Caribbeans or Africans. But at the same time people are divided on THAT. I've heard them say that if you have atleast one parent who is FBA...you qualify. I've heard others say BOTH parents have to be FBA to qualify. Others are asking AfroAmericans if they have ANY immigrant ancestry in their background, if they do...they're no longer FBA. But those same AfroAmericans accept HALF WHITE folks as FBA as long as one parent is FBA. Crazy, man. There needs to be more clarity before those checks are cut.

I tried to find more about Sonya and this woman getting into an argument at the job but didn't find anything on it. I'm trying to figure out why the Black Church and the Church in general has been so silent on this case. The woman....clearly a Christian...said "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" and this cop KILLED her over it Where is the outrage? Why aren't Christian commentators commenting on this? For months now Candace Owens has been running around talking about how Christians are being targeted and persecuted, now you have a clear cut case of it (it seems) and she's SILENT on it except for criticizing the Christian herself!