Pioneer1

Lol, that just shows you the difference between the thinking of men and women. How in the hell is a young topless woman bouncing her breasts all over an older man supposed to make him "feel uncomfortable" ???? Now, getting a naked MAN to do it........lol.

Great comeback....lol. You don't even have the character to accept my owning up to a simple mistake. Say what you want to about White people, but there is something a friend of mind brought to my attention a few years back and I've been checking it out every since he said it. He said that when him and a White person got into an argument and he apologized and attempted to get along......the White person usually met him half way and apologized for his behavior too. But when him and a Black person got into an argument and he ATTEMPTED to apologize and ATTEMPTED to get along......the Black person usually ignored the attempt to continue the beef, mistrusted his intentions, or even saw it as WEAKNESS and really dug in on him...lol. You want to talk about White and Black morality? Where ever the hell you are or whatever country you're in right now, sit back and WATCH how the Black people act and treat eachother and see if it's with the same amount of respect and humanity Whites or Asians treat eachother with. It may give you some clue as to how Black folks ended up so vulnerable to be conquered in the first place. Lauryn Hill said, how you gonna win when you ain't right with in?

Linda Chavez seems to have forgoten about us too...lol. This long winded comment isn't about Cynique so much as it's about my observation about the Black female posters websites in general. I'm not suprised that women don't frequent this site (or atleast this section of the site) much and those who do quickly drop out. And it's not like they have to leave because they're insulted and barraged with sexist comments, threats, or lewd photos (to my knowledge atleast). It appears that many simply just don't like the "vibe" of the place. I've mentioned times before that for some reason most women feel more comfortable posting on HEAVILY moderated sites, especially where most of the moderators are female. Ofcourse not all women do, but from what I've seen it appears that many women like being able to flag posts that they find offensive and get them taken down AND/OR get the posters in trouble or banned. Troy doesn't seem to be trigger happy like that (and a big THANK YOU to Troy for it). Now is this a good or bad thing? ((shrugs shoulders)) I don't know, guess it depends on your perspective. Not being female, I don't know how they feel but they certainly have a right to post where they feel most comfortable. But from a male perspective.......... I really don't like the lack of Black female presence. Even when Cynique and Mel were posting regularly it wasn't enough as far as I was concerned. It's natural for men to want and get "validation" from the women of their community, and when the women of their community don't want to "be around"....it's almost an insult. As much as they complain about not finding enough Black men at their level.....are you seriously telling me that professional Black women wouldn't want to have an intelligent academic conversation with Troy or Del about a specific field???? Having been on a few White sites.....before they find out I'm Black and the racial insults start...lol....I don't see this type of "divide" between most White men and women. They seem to be able to have conversations with eachother and agree or disagree based on the subject without demeaning or hurling insults at eachother and trying to get eachother in trouble. But with too many Black sites I've noticed they fall into one of 3 categories: 1. It's all woman and gay men bashing the hell out of men. 2. It's all angry men bashing the hell out of women. 3. It's almost all women with one dominant Alpha male running the place and driving out any other man who steps in on the site....kind of like a gorilla and harem routine, lol. But a balanced male and female harmony where both groups can be themselves and express their opinions freely and still get along? Those are becoming few and far in between.

SAY WHAT??????? Nigga I'm going to bed.....lol.

K2 Somebody's wasting a lot of money for your paid commentary, even if it's $0.1 per every 10 words. WHAT!!! Second paragraph, last sentence "American Born Arabs." Alright, alright, alright, calm down clown.....lol. My bad, I thought you were refering to your previous post (which is where I looked for that statement), not your first one. My argument was centered around Arab immigrants, but since you've brought it to my attention that you're talking about Arabs born IN America, then yes....they do deserve the full rights of American citizenship. However much of what I said about most of them being racist and sexist STILL applies to even most of the American born children of recent immigrants because of what their parents have taught them. 　 Incidentally, those beliefs are the same as African's believed when where brought here. Homosexuality and extramarital relationships were considered an abomination. Your sentiments here are telling on you; with your MANLY sideburns. You really should go with the bowtie!!! Religion in its purist sense was to establish rules for moral behavior, like banking, it used to a good thing until the Catholic Church got involved. Your comments and response here are nonsensible, bias, and stupid. Hence, not credibility. Who says that the beliefs and morals of Africans BEFORE they were enslaved/colonized were correct? If their morals and beliefs were THAT great or superior, why didn't they prevent a less moral White man from capturing and enslaving them? There are a lot of African societies with strict sexual codes who STILL engage in senseless violence among themselves and neighboring groups AS WELL AS suffer from famines, diseases, and other lack of resources. Meanwhile the West.....that promotes homosexuality and lasciviousness....is well fed, well armed, and secure from invasion from outside nations. Am I saying Black nations should adopt the morals and the sexual habits of the West? No. But what I AM saying is that Africans need tore-examine ALL of their beliefs and old cultural traditions and replace them with values that WORK and PROGRESS the society instead of trapping them in an endless cycle of ignorance, slavery, and exploitation.

K2 Or is it the way you like your man to look? 　 Maybe like men who look like YOU: -clean shaven -long haired -and rocking a VAGINA instead of a penis ....lol. There is no Black culture. Wrong, there are HUNDREDS of Black cultures. But most of them are in Africa and India, not America. Stay focused..... We're not talking about BLACK PEOPLE as a whole, but AFRO-AMERICANS in specific. 　 What you call 'sub-cuture' is the culture of American Blacks. Arguably, culture is the attitudes and behavior that are characteristic of a particular social group or organization; ideas, beliefs, etc. Thank you for telling me what I ALREADY know. What is American idealims? Money, power, and ethnocentrism. Hence, what's your culture? This isn't American culture, this is HUMANITY in general. The Nazis were power hungry and ethnocentric and so were the Japanese, but neither were American.

K2 Pioneer1: No has to listen to Black gripes simply because you claim you were here first. They do if Black people are in positions of power in the nation they're trying to seek citizenship in. If you're an immigrant and want to come to America and there are enough Black people in the federal government as well as the state to decide whether or not you can come in and whether or not you will be allowed to work and own property......it would be wise to LISTEN to the concerns of those Black people. Korean immigrants made the mistake of dismissing AfroAmericans in Los Angeles and thinking they were weak....until the L.A. riots broke out and taugth them differently. The White people they THOUGHT would protect them....abandoned them, lol. Besides I did said 'American born Arabs,' didn't I? No...you didn't. Muslims don't in believe in homosexuality, girlfriends/boyfriends, and racism. Before I wed my wife members of my family had to met, get approval, and show I was worthy of her hand. Noting wrong with that! Though we had already planned to do whatever if they didn't approve. Free will. There are many sexual restrictions in the Muslim society, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "free will"....they're being FORCED by society and by the laws of their nations to obey certain sexual restrictions. So their morals are being FORCED on them, as opposed to in America where you are free to BE righteous or BE wicked for all to see. Also, many Muslims from the Middle East believe in killing people who don't agree with them religiously or politically. Not all; not even most; but too many. Personally, I would rather live in a sociey where people are walking around naked and having non-stop sex in the streets but peaceful and non-violent; than one where people are virgins and uphold the strictest sexual morals but engage in constant non-stop fighting and killing over religion and politics. Sex often leads to more life coming into the world.....violence often leads to death. And, your beliefs, Pioneer1, are white beleifs anyway. What rights to you have to be reversed? You're losing creditbility here, again My CREDIBILITY with the CREDITOR is only as valuable as the CREDIT he's offering....lol. If the CREDITOR is offering CREDIT that is worthless....lol....why should anyone worry about their CREDIBILITY with him?

The mutton-chop sideburns makes a man look.....uhhh.....let's say.....more DISTINGUISHED! It gives you that nice middle aged RESERVED look that commands respect....lol. By the way, in reality, there IS NO "African American culture". Having your own CULTURE means having our own foods, moral codes, language, dress codes, marriage and social customs, ect.... Most AfroAmericans don't have their own of any of these. What AfroAmericans have here is a SUB-CULTURE at best; a modified version of White American culture. Basically trying to imitate what they see Whites doing.

Except for the initial part of your response, Republicans were the first crusaders of human rights. Irregardless, does that make Arab's any less American; not deserving of American rights and privileges? No - but something else COULD make them less deserving if it's not corrected. Not listening to the Black people who were here for centuries BEFORE them and knew White people far better than they did but chosing to ignore that advice doesn't nullify their citizenship or make them less deserving of American rights and priviledges. However...... Coming to the United States to take advantage of the freedoms and economic opportunities that America has to offer WITHOUT being willing to put their racist and sexist beliefs to the side and conform to basic common American values and social patters DOES make me suspicious of one's reasons for being in the nation in the first place. If you come to America and refuse to let your daughter date Black men and refuse to let your wife work because you're afraid she might make enough money to become independant or if you still believe Black people should be slaves like over in Libya.....then I think we might have to re-consider your citizenship. Why? Because with your beliefs you may end up REVERSING all the gains Blacks and women have made in America over the years.

Lol.....a BIG ZERO.

Interesting subject......... It appears that mental illness doesn't always affect the intellect, sometimes it just affects the emotions. Some of the most brilliant works in both science and the arts are from those who were mentally ill. How many singers and musicians have produced their BEST jams while they were drunk, high, or in a crazed episode?

Well I don't trust the Republicans NOR the Democrats because both of them are just different sides of the same coin. Democrats USED TO be the liberal party fighting for Black rights, women's rights, and the rights of poor people....until the 80s when they got sabatoged and started fighting for homosexual rights, the environment, and a host of off-the-wall issues that have NOTHING to do with improving the lives of those who are voting for them. As far as Arabs go...... Most of the Arabs in Michigan vote REPUBLICAN and many of them are racist. When Arabs first started coming to the Detroit area Black people TRIED to make friend with them and told them how racist the Republicans were but since most Arab were very religious and were also business owners they believed in the lies they were being told and didn't want to listen to the Black people who were here before them. They continued to vote Republican. Hell, many of them HELPED get George W. Bush elected! Now that so many of them are victims of hate and are getting their asses kicked by racists some of them are FINALLY learning some sense. Better late than never I guess.

Cynique And you still can't spell "definitely", which says a lot about how your brain works. Tell me again, what is the source of your assertion about the "hundreds and thousands" of years blacks were humane to whites. And you can't tell a QUESTION from a DECLARATION; let alone answer one directly....which tells me something about how YOUR brain "works" (for lack of a better term). Everytime you post, an image of a peanut rattling around in an empty can pops up....lol ((rrrattle rrrrrattle )) 　 　 Quit worrying about my love life and focus on maintaining that blow-up doll you keep stashed in your closet. Pathetic. Fruedian slip? Atleast a blow-up doll can keep quiet, isn't obnoxious, and doesn't start needless arguments for thrills. I'd say a blow-up doll is an UPGRADE over you....lol.

Cynique That's putting it mildly. And "helping you out" will be met with resistance because what you can't distort, you ignore. No. It would be putting it "mildly" to say YOU are too distorted to ignore....lol. K2 Sensitivity of freedom: How Blacks relate to the American environment of racism, etc. The case made several weeks ago. That Black Panther movie fail to inspire, in any meaningful way! And which you and Brother Delano insist to be inspired. But to what end. Still unanswered. Again, WHAT PART OR SCENE of the Black Panther movie dealt with sensitivies of freedom or the lack there of? Name a specific scene. You're saying the movie is propaganda, again, I asked BY WHO and AIMED AT WHO? Can you show or evidence Europeans having great wealth one-hundred years ago? NO, you can not, not even 'originally inspired' art, language, or science. You shouldn't answer your own question. You should let those who are more qualified....lol. The Vatican of Rome which is the seat of the extremely wealthy Catholic Chursh is in Europe (last time I checked) and existed beyond 100 years ago. European central banks financed slavery and colonialism with millions if not BILLIONS of dollars all over the world far beyond 100 years ago. By any measure whether we're talking about stock piles of jewelry, a wealth of universities, weaponry, ect....Europe having massive wealth beyond 100 years ago is not even up for debate. For a person who claims to be so brave and fearless, you sure did FREAK OUT when you realized that that wasn't my actual picture I have up....lol.

Cynique Nothing can convince you that you are wrong about there only being on race because-wait, let me finish the sentence for you: because IT'S NOT TRUE. What you think really isn't important. It apparently is to YOU....since you love contending it.

Now, now, now......no need to get nasty (er), lol. What's the matter - Hmmm? LOL....were you expecting your 72 year old wild stallion to "light your fire" tonight and instead he ended up "putting out your lights" for picking needless arguments with him? Now look, if you can't answer a simple question just say "I don't know" and leave it at that. I understand. Trust me. Dealing with YOU....I definately understand.

　 K2 I rest my case as to social value of the movie. Sensitivities of freedom is what's got Black folk so excited, isn't it? A case has to be MADE before it can be rested. Your case hasn't even been opened yet.....lol. Again, HOW is the Black Panther a movie about "sensitivies of freedom"???? In what parts or what scenes of the movie were people being denied their freedom? In what parts or what scenes of the movie were people being held captive or enslaved? New on the stage of modernity, Saudis were nomads, lived off the fat of their land, developed and expanded their own value system of wealth. From gold, minerals, doctors, scientists, whatever. Now, their value system is based on what other countries value, paper, and coins. The word wealth has many shades of meaning, but most involve having a lot of something — often money or something else that's valuable. You might have a wealth of experience, or you might have great personal wealth. They are rich because of their treasures, and expensive belongings, oil, and history. First of all, like you have repeatedly suggested....not all of them are rich. I'm guessing only a tiny minority are rich while the majority live in poverty. Secondly, I don't know how new and modern the Saudis are, but the Arabs have existed for atleast 3000 years. Yes various Arab groups have indeed faired well well under different Islamic empires, but can you show me any documented evidence of Saudis having the TYPE of riches (U.S. currency, limosines, fancy cars, jet planes, glass sky scrapers, ect...) and entertainment they're enjoying today. They didn't seem to get it until the White folks came over and gave it to them in exchange for their oil. WHAT??? Which proves just how stupid Trump is, yes, a sucker! Or are you saying that a person can't be taken for a fool if she/he has more or equal to what's offered??? Just what is your point here? My point is that it's very unlikely that the Saudis or any other Arab family are in a position to "fool" or "take advantage of" rich and powerful White people. If anything, it's most likely the other way around. Unlike yourself, trying to hid. Lol..... Aren't YOU the one who said you fled the country because some sort of authority was looking for you? You look silly as hell accusing OTHER folks of hiding when YOU'RE running off ducking and dodging yourself, lol.

K2 Hint #1: Saudi Arabia's use, allowing a movie depicting sensitivities of freedom is a contradiction to its policies and government rule. I'm not the smartest person in the world so help me out..... Please explain in detail exactly how the Black Panther is movie about "sensitivities of freedom". I thought it was a virtually all Black movie about a Black super hero who saved his nation. Hint #2: 'SAUDIS ARE NOT RICH FROM WESTERN COUNTRIES,' they control vast oil deposits from all over the Southeast Asia territories. Not from America, EU, UK, or anywhere else. Lol....are you serious? Man the Saudis have had that oil under them for THOUSANDS of years and many if not most didn't even know about it let alone what to do with it! The "riches" didn't come until less than 100 years ago when WHITE MEN went over there and GAVE THEM MONEY for their oil. If White people stopped giving them money for their oil and stopped selling them those toys (cars, planes, plasma televisions, ect....) they're playing with, their "riches" would dry up in ONE generation. Why? Because they aren't producing the "riches" they're enjoying; White folks are. . Finally, during Trump's visit to the Kingdom they gave him a boat, and some other gratuities I can't remember; they had him analysed and evaluated even before he got off the plane. A sucker for attention! As if a billionaire can't afford to buy HIS OWN damn plane....lol. Let me get this straight............ White folks BUILT the damn planes, but the Saudis are going to "take advantage" of one of them by bribing him and suckering him up with one of the planes that THEY built and probably sold to an Arab for 20 times what it was worth? It looks like you're enjoying yourself in that avatar, but I think you've been standing in the sun TOO LONG....lol.

Troy We can go back and forth for weeks over what is or isn't appropriate or what's prejudice and ignorant assumption - let me get straight to the point by asking you 2 questions: 1. When I said I found Black and White girls easier to sleep with than East Asian girls, it was my PERSONAL experience. Now are you saying that I was WRONG about that conclusion? In other words, are you saying that East Asian women are just as easy to meet and sleep with as women from any other group? 2. Since I can't make assumptions about only one billion Chinese based on the limited amount of Chinese I've met in my life - of the BILLIONS of females on this planet how many did YOU have to meet before concluding that most of them found males attractive? Cynique No, what PIONEER is doing is actually establishing clarity and keeping the subject clear from all the foolishness and distraction that you're attempting to toss into it. Very little of what you said in your previous post (or the one you just posted) is actually relevant or useful in the converstation. It's emotional babble about how much of an opened minded thinker you are and how much you don't like my way of thinking.....neither of which addresses the subject. Oh, puleeze. Black humans never had domination over white humans for hundreds of thousands of years. That's a lot of hyperbole on your part. You don't know what black humans were doing to each other or, for that matter, what red humans were doing to each other. Cruelty in the quest for power exists across the board, and white humans were able to prevail because of the superior weaponry which enabled them to gain a foothold. Your argument is full of mawkish emotion. I didn't say hundreds OF thousands, I said hundreds AND thousands. I asked you can you point to an example of Blacks treating Whites under their rule as inhumanely as Whites have treated Blacks under their rule.... But I take it from your indirect and rambling response.....no...you can't.

I'm not planning on staying up all night waiting for it myself......LOL.

Cynique BTW, i only changed my mind once, and that was when Troy's scientific based evidence made better sense than that crap you spout. Well I shoooooooo'll wish he'd show all this compelling evidence to ME ! I've been asking for it for MONTHS and so far he has yet to present it....lol.

Troy I guess the real question is why do white people like this movie so much? Are we to assume that the support of White people is the major reason for this film's success? I'll once again compare this film to President Obama and his election...... Just like the success of Obama being elected twice had less to do with how much Whites liked him but more to do with his ability to wake up and energize Black voters who showed their TRUE STRENGTH by getting off their asses and voting- I think the phenomenal success of this film is less about how much Whites like it (and yes most I've talked to do like it) and far more about what happens when BLACK PEOPLE are really motivated to go out and see a movie! Black America is a sleeping giant both politically and economically and the world is beginning to recognize this fact.

K2 Also the first propaganda involving African American's. like propaganda in Viet Nam telling Blacks to "go home," that war is not their fight. True but exploitative in nature. Saudi Arabia is full of shrimps taking advantage of an opportunity, taking advantage of Trump with boats and bribes! Please don't fall into the 'other countries believe in our struggels,' pit." They could not care less about Blacks; hell they don't even care about their own people, except those who support the Prince's agenda Man, you how did you manage to fit 50 entirely different issues into ONE paragraph....lol. First of all if Black Panther is propaganda....... Who is it FROM and who is it aimed AT? Second, how is Black Panther "exploitative"? Third, did you said that the Saudis were "taking advantage" of Trump?????? I didn't now that was even possible but if so....how so? All of the money that the Saudis enjoy COME FROM the West. They don't print money in Saudi Arabia, they get the money as well as the little toys they play around with from America and Europe in exchange for their oil.

Cynique None of the definitions of this word apply to science's attitude toward religion. Science acknowledges religion but does not incorporate it in its work, even if individual scientists may be religious in their private lives. 　 Well then you obviously disagree with Troy's thread that clearly states that Native American and African science is NOT SEPARATE from religion. 　 And you also disagree with YOURSELF because in another thread YOU said: "IMO, science is already a religion complete with disciples and self-worship. And religion is a science with the power to convert the human species." https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5024-the-new-religion/?page=1 　 So how can science be a religion in and of itself without incorporating religion?????

Nah, it didn't sink.....it was BLOWN away! By the BLACK PANTHER! Black Panther's box office dominance continues to shatter records as the Marvel blockbuster vaulted past Titanic to become the third highest-grossing film of all time. https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-passes-titanic-on-all-time-box-office-list/ar-AAvAWMQ?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=ansmsnnews11