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I would consider FACTS to be a component KNOWLEDGE. I know many wouldn't, but facts are supposed to be TRUE. If it's not true...then it's not a fact. So information that is true...in my opinion....just adds to one's knowledge. Delano Comprehension is linked to understanding. Understanding and knowledge are not the same. True. I believe that "intelligence" is made up of both information AND understanding. There are a lot of autistic people who "know" a lot of facts and figures but don't have any real understanding or "grasp" of what they know or how to apply it. People can spit outca lot of numbers without understanding the implication of those numbers. Exactly! Cynique If comprehension is linked to understanding, then how can it and knowledge not be the same. I think the difference is between knowledge and education. Because comprehension is just a component or part of overall knowledge. The other part is having the information/facts to comprehend. Education...atleast formal education...is simply an organized system of passing along KNOWLEDGE (information and understanding of it) from one group of individuals to the next. Knowledge you can acquire on your own by the comprehension acquired through experience. I believe WISDOM comes with experience, but you don't need experience or age with comprehension. It's more of an intellectual function that some people's brains simply perform better than others. This is why I say you CAN'T give people knowledge. You can only give them information or facts. But if they can't understand what the hell you're saying despite you telling them 40 different ways, there's not too much you can do about that....lol. Some people are better "understanders" than others.

　 Del He did a lot of good. He has been proven right. Has anyone signed him? Good point. And it's a point I've been making for over a year now. In my opinion..... The damage that he's done to himself and what the other players have done OUT WEIGHS the whatever good may have come out of this. I think the entire move was not ony poorly thought out but pretty much ineffective. Troy This MAY be another "Wednesday Thurdsay Friday" moment......lol. I think Del's question of whether or not someone signed him MAY have been rhetorical. Meaning...... Yes he may have did good and stood up to power....but what good did it do him? He's now out of a job. But if Del's question was meant exactly as stated......then both of you will have to forgive me.

Troy I don't necessarily condemn religion. Infact I tell people that if THAT is what you need to keep yourself from jumping off a building or over a bridge....if that's what you need to make it in life.....then by all means GO TO CHURCH. Some people call it a crutch, but still...I'm not the type to take people's crutches away. Especially if I personally can't heal their legs and help them. It's the same with drugs, alcohol, and sex addiction and other forms of stress relief. I don't think smoking crack or getting drunk every night is the best choice to make in life.....but if someone is getting raped every night or suffering from some terrible painful disease.....maybe that is their only means of "escape" from their misery. If a person is going through hard experiences in life and the Church, Mosque, Temple, Tent, and the preacher or minister is helping them to get through what they're going through.....they should continue to go. But for me personally so far, my belief in and prayer to The Supreme Being and facing the problems I've had directly so that I can figure out what caused it and how I can solve it has proven to be far more effective and beneficial to me that just clapping and singing

Probably because the television show Good Times had an episode where Michael's teacher was given a Black IQ test. I guess FCC rules prohibitted them from saying "BITCH" on a televison show at that time so they didn't give out the test's actual name.....lol.

Troy It just sounds so crazy if not outright racist to me. You know there are many so called "Asians" that don't do very well academically, indeed those in southern Asia have some of the lowest literacy rates on Earth. Being Asian doesn't meant you do well academically. If you have the resources, intelligence, support, conditions, and study anyone can do well academically. There are a lot of men who don't like women either...but most do. You can find exceptions to most rules. I didn't say BEING Asian meant you did well, I said Asians do well. And you know I was speaking in general terms. Now if we started holding eachother accountable for every single exception there may be to a general rule then no one would be able to post anything without attaching footnotes to our posts....lol. Another problem is that you just cancelled your own statement out. You said, "If you have the resources, intelligence, support, conditions, and study anyone can do well academically." You said ANYONE can do well academically, but list having INTELLIGENCE as a prerequisite. Knowing that everyone DOESN'T have intelligence. Knowing that some people are legally retarded and will not perform to normal academic standards regardless of the resources they receive and studying they do. ....how can "anyone" be expected to do well academically?

Troy this reminds me of the obviously racially biased IQ tests that were so prevelant in the United States school system up until the 1970s. A Black psychologist had to come up with the BITCH-100 test to prove that despite lower IQ scores, Black children were just as smart as White children when given IQ tests based on OUR OWN culture. The public educational system in the United States today is training people to just memorize and parrot back information to past exams and move on to be good working "slaves". Not well informed independent thinkers who question authority. Cynique Who doesn't know that experience is the best teacher?? Well for one.....I'm not quite sure of this myself. I think in many if not most cases OBSERVATION is the best teacher. Because some experiences you may not LIVE through to learn your lesson.....lol.

There is no guessing, she's obviously CAUCASIAN. Now because you asked me the question, I'm almost certain you know more about her ancestral background than I do. And I'm also guessing that your asking me because you know she probably has a Black parent or some Black ancestor. But remember, RACE is just as much how a person LOOKS (phenotypical) as it is about a person's ANCESTRY (genes). So despite what her parents may be or who is in her family.....SHE is a Caucasian woman. I know 2 or 3 Italian women who look just like she does....with darker skin.

The PUBLIC education system in the United States today is primarily training people to be EDUCATED SLAVES. People who will just show up to work and do what they are told in the most efficient manner possible without questioning authority. This is why Asians do so good academically. And this is why Asian students are often held up as "model students". Because they are typically docile, unassuming, bland and agreeable in personality, and uniform in behavior. Central Americans are highly desired on the other end of the employment spectrum because THEY typically do what they are told and work for next to nothing. The business owners and ultra capitalists could give less than two damns about America, they'd just as soon replace EVERYONE with immigrants from Asia and Central America if it meant more profits, more production, and lower wages with fewwer complaints from the workers. What sells is what people want, but people can be INFLUENCED to want certain things they ordinarily wouldn't. Social scientists and market strategists are highly trained in social engineering and influencing people's minds into wanting thing that aren't necessarily good for them.

This is one of the reasons I'm not in the church anymore. I don't care too much for hypocrisy.....especially unnecessary hypocrisy that no one forces on your. It's one thing to be born into a despotic nation, or even have your nation CHANGE on you from being a free state to a dictatorship. But when you already live in a relatively liberal and open society and CHOOSE to join an organization or sect and put oppressive and unrealistic rules and restrictions on yourself....I don't understand that.

I appreciate Del's support for WHATEVER reason he's doing it....lol. In a world where Black men fight with eachother so much, when Black men DO compliment and flatter eachother....it should be both appreciated and welcomed. Del Pioneer mentioned that he didn't go to university a while back. That moved me. Whether it was said with humility I don't know. What i have noticed with Troy recently is a need to attempt to use his pedigree to win arguments. I say it constantly. Infact when I'm meeting people it's one of the first things I mention. Part of the reasons I say it is out of humility, but mostly it's that people don't expect more out of me than they should. Accuracy refers to the closeness of a measured value to a standard or known value. For example, if in lab you obtain a weight measurement of 3.2 kg for a given substance, but the actual or known weight is 10 kg, then your measurement is not accurate. In this case, your measurement is not close to the known value. Precision refers to the closeness of two or more measurements to each other. Using the example above, if you weigh a given substance five times, and get 3.2 kg each time, then your measurement is very precise. Precision is independent of accuracy. You can be very precise but inaccurate, as described above. You can also be accurate but imprecise. For example, if on average, your measurements for a given substance are close to the known value, but the measurements are far from each other, then you have accuracy without precision In other words....... For it to be accurate it must be TRUE. But you can have PRECISE LIES as long as they continue to line up and agree with eachother...lol. 　 　 　 Troy Are you going to address my commentary on the ONE exerpt that you DID provide related to our argument discussion on the meaning of race? You put Dorothy's quote up for a reason. Was it supposed to be some sort of "evidence" meant to back your position?

Cynique While you're right (or atleast I agree) with most of what you just said............ This still is OUR nation. We were born here and are legal citizens here. Despite all the obstacles you've presented.....the BIGGEST obstacle Black people need to overcome exists in our minds. That doubt in our own abilities and that irrational fear of what someone MIGHT do to us if we start doing great things.

Del Don't let Cynique vex you. She's just frustrated at the fact that you said a few good things about me. Some people don't like to see Black men getting along with eachother....lol. Cynique So now you turn to Pioneer, who you previously dismissed because he didn't take your predictions and astrological claims seriously, and you do an about-face, heaping flattery upon him to get back at Troy. Damn. Lol, couldn't you have given me a FEW days to enjoy the compliments before bursting the bubble???? BTW, my modesty isn't false..... I truly understand and accept my limitations in scientific understandings. I would never compare my accomplishments with Troy's or claim to have as much knowledge as he does. But when I'm right....I'm right. Why? Because I base most of my convictions on EXPERIENCE or DIRECT OBSERVATION....not academic findings and paperwork from other sources that I had no hand in preparing.

None of what you parrot will come into fruition unless African-Americans amass in a separate territory and establish their own nation. 　 1. We already have our own nation.....THIS NATION. Black Americans are just as much American as White Americans. 2. If you believe that White Americans wouldn't allow Black Americans to organize and rebuild their own neighborhoods and economies........ Why do you think they have allowed Chinese and Mexicans to do it? Those 2 groups aren't White, yet they have carved out entirely self sufficient communities from coast to coast and there doesn't seem to be much of a White backlash against it. Hell, White folks GO to Mexican and Chinatowns to eat, do business, and enjoy themselves. White Supremacy is a major problem, but it's not the biggest problem. Black ignorance and laziness is a much bigger problem. Most Black people would rather sit around WAITING for White people to fix their houses, fill up the pot-holes on their streets, and open up grocery stores in their neighborhoods to fix the "food drought".....when they can do ALL of this on their own.

Cynique That's not an example of confusion on my part; i was clueless Oh..... Lol, then since you had no clue are you saying that rather than being confused you were just IGNORANT? That's not an example of confusion on my part; i was clueless. Confusion was when you weren't sure whether or not what you thought Wednesday, Thursday, Friday meant was right. Something you admitted to. 　 I said: "I'm probably one of the FEW people who understood what YOU just posted....lol." "I'm presuming Del's "Wednesday Thursday Friday" stands for "W T F" https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/2695-why-black-men-cheat/?page=2 Now does that sound like someone who is "admitting" to being confused? There is a difference between CAUTION in not assuming what a person means, and being CONFUSED about what they say or mean.

Del I was wondering if you have consciously changed your style? I've always been direct and linear. But because I'm an idealist, most of what I post about are the problems I've observed in society and what my ideal solutions are, so you probably don't see my linear or analytical side much. Also, because I'm not too smart or too educated (academically) I've learned the best thing for ME to do is not to get too fancy but to stay focused and on the point. If I tried to argue the way you, Troy, or other highly educated people argued....I'd get lost....lol.

　 A girl who graduated after I did from under grad was he first Black woman to graduate my school with a civil engineering degree! Now if I had my way, more Black people would be getting civil engineering degrees. This is the type of knowledge that is needed to help REBUILD the cities of the United States. Learn how to bring water from the lakes and rivers to the cities. Learn how to lay foundations for and build roads. Learn how to build housing. These past couple years I've seen more older Black folks pushing shopping carts around hustling pop cans and bottles than I've ever seen before. It's really bad in California where it appears that most of the Black people there have lost their status and are living on the streets. Instead of focusing on Silicon Valley and or artificial intelligence, we need to focus on learning how to build a society for ourselves so that our children aren't subject to poison water, malnutrition, and poor education.

Del 　 Domination is about submission. I'll give you an example. Let's say you have the following types of people on a deserted island : an intelligent ,a spiritual an ethical , warriors . Often might makes right . There are a few ways to win an argument ; using emotions , logic , authorities or expert opinions , belittling and intimidation . I would argue that domination takes on many forms, but ultimately more so than submission it's about CONTROL. Submissions suggests a sort of surrender or reluctance to challenge an aggressor or authority. But if a person is being dominated, they may not be submissive....they may actually be aggressive THEMSELVES constantly fighting their oppression. But if they are being dominated, clearly the person who is dominating them has more control over them whether they are using brute force, intellectual deception, emotional manipulation, ect.....to keep them in that state of being dominated. Cynique in your confused mind. You call my mind confused, but you couldn't even figure out what "Wednesday, Thursday, Friday" meant....lol.

Lol......is that Del coming to my rescue????? This reminds me of that episode of Good Times when JJ and Thelma stopped fighting eachother to challenge James......lol. Del It is a bit niggardly to not provide evidence of your argument. Definition of terms is importance or being clear about which meaning you are utilizing. I would say so........ Without FACTS to support our conclusions, it's basically an emotional argument. Which is why it's so important that Troy provide us with a CLEAR definition of the "scientific meaning" of race so that we can atleast have some sort of reference point to work from. Troy @Del, this is a tired debate with @Pioneer1, over the years I've presented him with a great deal of information to show that there is on one race. Indeed, this website covers the subject quite well. I'm afraid you don't know what I know what I've shared with Pioneer in the past, so you really should stay quiet on this point. Just because Pioneer says I've never shared evidence with him does not make it so. Again, a cursory search on this forum shows that not to be true. I'm not tired, I'm waiting. Waiting on the facts (if they exist) to prove my position on race to be erroneous (if it is). You may be right that Del doesn't know what you've shared with me to prove that there is only one race. But guess what.....NEITHER DO I...lol. 　 　 "Race is an invented political system, not a natural biological division. The Human Genome Project has confirmed that the human species cannot be divided into genetically distinguishable races. Race is a political grouping created to support slavery and colonialism, and its boundary lines have shifted over time and across nations to suit political ends…" —Dorothy Roberts, author of Fatal Invention: How Science, Politics, And Big Business Re-Create Race In The Twenty-First Century OK, now we got something to work with....... Let's look at what Dorothy Roberts said....and DIDN'T say. Dorothy Roberts DOES NOT say that race doesn't exist. Dorothy Roberts DOES NOT say there is only one race. She DOES say that it is an INVENTED political system. She DOES say that it is a political GROUPING. This is important because both of these statements actually support MY position, being: 1. If race was INVENTED, that means it EXISTS. Which means it is real, whether you agree with it or not. 2. Because she calls race a GROUPING. This automatically means there are MULTIPLE RACES because there are muliple groups in a GROUPING. Thank you Troy for providing MORE EVIDENCE to support my conclusion that there ARE mulitple races.....lol.

I see 2 things in this story that make little sense to me............. 1. You have a man (who calls himself a preacher) who obviously likes many different women, yet CHOOSES to get "married" and pledge himself to only one woman. 2. You not only have laws that prevent women from having sex and charging men a price for it (prostitution), but have even gone so far as to ENTRAP citizens and set up "stings" to arrest and fine/jail people simply for having sex and getting paid for it. Natural behaviors that are suppressed or overly regulated tend to become perverted. Look at priests.... Catholic priest take a totally unnecessary "vow of celibacy" and as a result of suppressing their own sexual desires many of them become perverted pedophiles. Nature made man and woman to have sex with eachother. As long as they stick to the script and keep it simple leaving out all the unnecessary laws, rules, and regulations that you find in most religions and so-called societies....there would be few if any problems.

　 Troy This is why eliminating racial attitudes (racism, prejudice, bigotry) will take a very long time. First, folks, both Black and white, who think like you have to die out and stop spreading this kind of thinking Damn man....lol. That's a heavy handed response. Slavery in the Western Hemisphere was based on skin color and racial attitudes over 500 years ago. The Hindu caste system in India was initially set up based upon skin color and that was over 3000 years ago! Yet we're still facing the color issue today in 2017. Do you seriously think sitting around waiting for people to "die out" and make way for new thought is the answer? 　 Man that would be easy. When white folks were living in caves and killing each other for food. Black people were building pyramids and universities that lasted not hundreds, but thousands of years. Everything the Greeks knew was derived from Africa. That's ancient history bro. As much as I believe that to be the case, the fact is NO HUMAN (that I know of) is still around from that time period to prove this to be the case. What people see is TODAY. Who's in charge and building great civilizations and new technology TODAY. But that is not to say the Black people are superior, in fact white people come from Black people... we are one race of people. If Whites came from Blacks (and I believe this to be true) then how can their be only ONE? One and one is two. You're describing TWO separate groups of people. If a mother produces a child....then that is TWO people....not one. 　 Del Domination is more about aggression than intelligence. If domination is more about aggression than intelligence, why are so many violent criminals locked up and DOMINATED by less violent professionals such as lawyers and judges? Cynique Here's the man of YOUR dreams............. Ed Sheeran And he can sing too.....lol.

Troy No, not any more, because you can easily look it up yourself. Now I know you won't look it up, because you know -it probably DOESN'T EXIST. And you know that too, which is why you aren't providing the definition...lol.

Troy do you think white folks were justified in the beliefs that the so called Black race was inferior? It seems to me if you believe white people and Black people belong to different races, then is is fair to assume that those differences can make one race superior to the other. Since white people dominate the planet win, all the Noble prizes for science, and Black folks can't seem to earn as much money, stay out of jail, or live as long as white folks, wouldn't it be fair to assume that white people are indeed superior? It seems most of our most successful Black men marry white women. Maybe you are right Pioneer, maybe white folks are a different and superior race. This is a perfectly logical conclusion given your understanding of "race." To me, terms like "superior" and "inferior" must be qualified with a particular SUBJECT. Meaning...... You can't just say you're superior....and leave it at that. You have to describe what you're superior AT. Superior in school? Superior in morals? Superior genetically? Superior in sports? Superior at practicine medicine? We first have to define WHERE a person is claiming superior or inferior in before making a comparison. But to answer your question...... I believe that many of the Whites who believe Black people are INTELLECTUALLY inferior are absolutely justified in that belief! I didn't say it was true....I said they were JUSTIFIED in BELIVING it based on what they've seen in society. What have Black people as a group ACCOMPLISHED as compared to Whites as a group? Most normal minded White people in the United States who are able to observe the Black race and White race not just from what they've been taught in history but what they're seeing today in the media as well as what they're seeing on the streets of America today.....how could they see BOTH races as intellectually equal? What major cities are Black people building? What type of military weapons are Black people developing? How many major financial institutions do Black people own? When Black people get sick.....who's hospitals do they go to....ours or White people's? So as far as the BELIEFS of intellectual superiority go, ofcourse many Whites are justified in almost ASSUMING that they are smarter as a race. If you wanted to challenge that belief, how many things could you point to that we have accomplished to shut them down? You won't catch me arguing that White people (as a group) AREN'T smart. Hell, if a handful of people manage to take over the entire planet.....DUHH....they ain't stupid, lol. But that doesn't mean Black people can't improve ourselves and our standing in the world with effort and organization. Asians were in similar condition as Black people a few centuries ago but they managed to organize themselves into a major world power on several fronts.

I take all that to mean you WON'T be providing us with the "scientific meaning" of race anytime soon....lol.

Yes that day was pretty nice for me but I could say that MOST days for me are nice with the grace of the Supreme Being because I do what I can when I want to or feel a need to....not when society designates a special day for me to do it. If you'll remember, I've said the same thing about Valentine's Day and Mother's Day. I don't go crazy over these days.....I show the women I love appreciation when I see them. But when you speak of depression during the holidays...... I believe social media is playing a HUGE role in the depression because very few people get on facebook or twitter talking about how broke, lonely, sick, or sad they are. They all get on flashing money, flashing gifts, flashing pictures of a well toned body or a new boyfriend or bragging about a new job. In a society where more and more resources are being hoarded into the hands of a greedy few, more people are fat and out of shape than ever, and an increasing number of people are becoming destitute.....social media has become a cruel psychological joke for so many confused youth.

I've been saying some of this for YEARS. I wish I had recordings of myself confirming it like a lot of these characters on Youtube.....lol. I think Dr Kaku is HALF correct in that one of the main reasons the U.S. is at the top of the ladder is because it sucks in the talents and skills from people all over the world despite having a poor educational system. However there are some things he left out.... He doesn't make the distinction that it's the PUBLIC educational system in the United States that's so terrible, however there are a lot of PRIVATE institutions reserved for wealthy White children (and a few non-Whites) that provide some of the best education in the world. If you go to most wealthy White communities in the United States you'll find an abundance of MONTESSORI SCHOOLS that teach their students how to be creative thinkers and leaders in society, as opposed to the traditional education that they'd receive in a typical public school. Also, like most non-Black scientists, he fails to see (or atleast fails to mention it even if he sees it) the role RACE and RACISM plays in PURPOSELY DESTROYING the public educational system of the United States to PURPOSELY DUMB DOWN the majority of the population.....allowing only a gifted few to receieve a proper education. If people would notice, the United States had the best public educational system in the world RIGHT UP UNTIL late 50s where they were forced to integrate Black children and provide THEM with a decent education also. Then all of a sudden they started stripping most of the programs from the schools like: Wood shop auto shop swimming sowing home economics. music and band. Slowly over the decades as the enrollment of Black students increased, the amount of classes and programs in most public schools began to decrease....especially in the inner cities. Racism and the intent to deny Black children a decent education in America is the absolute MAIN cause for the deliberate dismantling of public education in the United States I also agree with Mel about differenciating between fact-based learning and concept-based learning as well as what she said about questioning authority. One of my biggest problems with academic and university trained professionals....versus those who learn skills on their own as Troy mentioned with computer programming.....is that most of what they "know" is THEORETICAL knowledge. In other words, they don't really KNOW it in the sense of experiencing or directly observing what they claim. All they're doing is parroting the information that was given to them by their professors in class. This provides an excellent opportunity for BRAINWASHING, SOCIAL ENGINEERING, and general MIS-INFORMATION to take root in society. All it takes is for a few "smart looking/sounding" people to come along promoting a THEORY that can't actually be proven....and by authority of their rank and title in academia most of the world will accept what they say as true. Now some of this information may be correct and some of it may not be....but I think a firm distinction should and eventually MUST be made between information that is obtained through actual experience and/or observation and information just "passed along" from teacher to pupil. One of the reasons poor White people voted for Trump in massive numbers is because most conservatives have come to realize that a SIMPLE LIE is much easier to understand than a COMPLICATED TRUTH. So they just make up lies that are easy for their base to understand and get their votes. I think we need a new educational system that promotes TRUE information that can easily be tested by everyone able to do so and clearly separate fact from fiction and PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE from THEORETICAL KNOWLEDGE.