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Chev This makes no sense unless you can at least put a date to it. Here's the problem with "dating" things for acceptablity...... The Western calendar starts A.D. which is about 2000 years ago. Since then, most events have an actual DATE attached to them such as July 1011 or August 22 703. If something happens 300 B.C. or even 3000 B.C. how can you nail down an actual date for it? NOTHING in the Old Testament of the Bible has an actual date attached to it. It's just one linear story right after the other. All of the dates people come up with for the events of the Bible before the death of Jesus are SPECULATIVE because there are no actual dates attached to them. The term "B.C." isn't a true date but more a line of demarcation. So according to your logic, NOTHING that happened B.C. should make any sense since it's not dated. When do you believe this happened and from where were these Black soldiers before they were, as you say, sent to the Caucasus? I believe it happened sometimes between 4000 B.C. and 2000 B.C....which is the 2000 year time frame that Caucasians were pretty much confined in Central Asia. And although I'm not exactly sure what specific nation these Black soldiers came from, Black people are indigenous to the entire planet so they could have came from Egypt, Sumeria, India, OTHER parts of Europe, OTHER parst of Asia.....they could have even come from what is now called America. I don't don't believe all of the soldiers were Black either. I think some of them were East Asian because the Chinese built the GREAT WALL OF CHINA to keep these same Caucasians out of their lands also.

Cynique Well, you heard wrong. As usual you are citing hearsay and anecdotal evidence. And you need to make a distinction between education and experience. So even if I've read this very same thing from YOU YOURSELF.....would it still be wrong?

Chev Pioneer1 Isn't this pretty much what @Delano said too? -- Cultural whoredom. Lol, there is NO WAY in the world I'm going to sit up here and try to figure out what Delano is saying or what he means. I will say this though...... In my opinion "whoredom" is strictly in the realm of prostitution or selling sex for money which isn't necessarily a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. Selling aspects of your culture for money may or may not be a bad thing but it shouldn't be called "whoredom". Cynique Your idea of culture is one that western civilization has defined and to which you have deferred just like you accuse others of doing.. The way slave descendants have coped with their environment through improvisation is their true indigenous culture Perhaps my idea of culture IS one that Western civilization has defined. I don't disagree with EVERYTHING about Western civilization, they do tend to get some things correct. In my opinion "coping" with the environment you find yourself in isn't enough to define it as a culture. People in prisons and hospitals usually learn to "cope" with their environment, but the behavior they adopt isn't the same as an entire nation of people who have developed their own language, marriage customs, family structure, and architecture. Like I said, much of what AfroAmericans practice is just a modified or corrupted version of what Caucasian Americans practice. Diversity is the wave of the future because time brings change and the essence of culture is one of the things that changes. . Don't confuse DI-versity with PER-versity and the attempt to normalize that which is unnatural. 　 As for homosexuality, it is here to stay because it has always existed, long before the media focused on it. And the media isn't injecting it into black programming any more than it is into series about whites. If you are offended by the sexual orientation of people different from you, it means that you are not being influenced by it, so why sweat it No one is questioning the existence of homosexuality in human history. My point is that BEFORE coming into contact with Caucasians, homosexuality was usually either rmarginalized or hidden in various African cultures and societies. It was generally seen as abnormal and unacceptable. Today there is a PUSH (by Caucasians) to normalize it and make it acceptable in various African societies.

Chev Not only were the so-called "watchers" Black soldiers....... When you read in the Bible about the "sons of God" mixing with the "daughters of men" once again much of this is just a mythologized version of the original history. Black soldiers started having sex with the White women they were sent to the Caucasus area to watch.

Cynique During The Depression people from all walks of life including highly qualified and educated ones were not able to make enough money to live independently. And this is STILL the case for the majority of Americans. Most Americans CAN NOT afford to live independently. Most either live with family, friends, or a spouse. And once again, the main reason why is because most Americans ARE NOT properly educated. BTW, from what I've heard those who were PROPERLY EDUCATED in the area of agriculture and live stock production living in the more rural areas of America were MUCH better off during the so-called Depression than most of those with mere academic training living in the urban centers who could barely eat and didn't know how to grow their own food. 　 　 You refuse to consider that education is one of the things that separates the winner peer groups from the loser peer groups in the arena of success. Obviously you haven't been paying attention, because I've been saying the PROPER EDUCATION is indeed a key to success all thorugh out this thread. You need to pay better attention.....lol.

Yes. The internet and all of this IT and media technology provides a lot of INFORMATION but not enough actual KNOWLEDGE. This goes back to my point about so many Black people with college degrees but can't find jobs that pay them enough to support themselves. They have a head full of useless information....much of which isn't even true.....but not enough of the RIGHT and TRUE information that they can use to actually improve themselves and their community. Go to Washington D.C. and you'll find 100 Black people with doctorate degrees per square block......but these same negroes can't even fix the potholes on the street and have to call a bunch of half drunk plaid shirt wearing White men to come and fix their streets and sidewalks because they don't have the knowledge to do it themselves.

AfroAmericans (I rarely use the term "African" American) invented Break Dancing and I believe the Turn Table. I think we also invented Hot Water Corn bread and Cracklin' Bread as well as Hoe Cakes. But we don't really have an actual CULTURE. In my opinion a TRUE culture means having your own language (not merely a corrupted form of English or a mere dialect of it which is what most AfroAmericans speak); and your OWN set of social customs like marriage and family structure rather than a modified version of the Western nuclear family which most AfroAmericans TRY to practice but fail at which is one of the reasons broken and dysfunctional families as well as divorce is so high in the AfroAmerican community. Because instead of OUR OWN culture most of our people have been trying to IMITATE White culture and haven't succeeded. One of the reasons AfroAmerican sub-culture is so confusing is because it seems to change with each generation. It works like this...... White culture...whether it's food, dance, music, or just the way people talk and greet eachother.... is usually too weak and watered down for most AfroAmericans, so we develop OUR OWN food, music, dances, and forms of greeting eachother. This makes us feel more comfortable and gives us an identity....now we're cool. But when White people see it- some of them find it repulsive and try to make it illegal or stamp it out; but most of them find it different and attractive and try to imitate it. Once THEY get the hang of it and start imitating it whether it's music, dance, slang, etc.....it loses it's flavor and NO LONGER becomes cool. So the next generation of AfroAmerican youth invents ANOTHER form of music, dance, greetings, ect.....to separate themselves and give themselves an identity to be cool again....and when Whites latch on to THAT then the process starts all over again. But I do believe AfroAmericans need to STABILIZE themselves and establish a solid CULTURE of our own, because a lot of the garbage you see in the music and entertainment industries today being passed off as "Black culture" is actual degeneracy. They have made weed smoking part of Black culture today through the music and now the media is actually trying to normalize OPEN homosexuality and queerness as a part of "Black culture" by making sure nearly all Black programs in America include it.

The only reason so many people don't like kinky or even nappy (beaded) hair is because they've been conditioned by this society since childhood not to. You can TELL Black women they're beautiful all day long but unless Black girls actually SEE it displayed growing up and actually SEE men (of all races not just Black men) pursuing them and women with dark skin and kinky hair....most of them won't believe it or internalize it. This is why you have to use the media and educational system to start children (especially African children) off early seeing dark skin and kinky hair being loved and sought after as a prize and standard of beauty. I believe you can condition people...both male and female....to find almost any natural characteristic attractive as long as you start them off very young when they are most impressionable. I still remember the Jet Beauties found in Jet Magazines from back in the 70s.

So the next time a little Black girl accuses a grown White man of sexual assault, will she be believed? Or will people have this image buried into their subconscious of how overt and seductive even the LITTLE Black girls can be when "tempting" White men.....and take that into consideration for justifying any behavior inflicted upon her?

You tell me....lol. You JUST SAID that I didn't; so what sense does it make to ask me NOW? Seems to me a question like that should be asked BEFORE telling someone where they have or haven't lived, not after....lol.

Troy Seriously, why didn't those folks, on the job, call 911 when the girl looked like she was about to pass out? Why didn't you drive her to the emergency room? Trust me, if you looked "gray" and "waxy," and then passed out in my call we'd be headed to the nearest emergency room. Why didn't the boyfriend take her to the hospital or to see a doctor? That's the same thing I was thinking. Why didn't Chev or the boyfriend just take the girl to the hospital. But I know some people like that. If something goes wrong the FIRST thing they think to do isn't to call an ambulance or even go to the hospital, but to call up a friend or relative and ask for help. Chev @Chevdove Alright, it's Easter Sunday and I finally got enough time to sit down and read this story......lol. I've been meaning to read it all the way through for days now. For some reasons I thought it was cute how you were just trying to get some sleep and kept taking cold medicine while people were constantly bothering you and barging into your room. I also though it was funny how after you threatened that one girl she quietly put down the phone and then stood up and RAN AWAY.....lol. I would have loved to be in that house just to observe the daily going's on.....LOL. But aside from something telling you to call your friend's job, how is this "supernatural"? Further...... There's been a lot of talk on here about "watchers" and who they are. Much of it is based on mythology found in the Book of Enoch, but do you want to know the TRUTH about Watchers? Although spirits and guides are real, the TRUTH is that the original Watchers were the Black soldiers placed at the southern border of the Caucasus mountains to keep wild tribes of Caucasians from coming back down and disrupting the Black civilizations south of them like Sumeria and Kemet. These Watchers were Black soldiers and as evidence of this some of their descendants STILL continued to live in that southern Caucasus region thousands of years later......called Colchians.

Troy This is a major film and it's getting heavy endorsement and advertisement. I think you're taking this too lightly or not looking into the implications of it deeply enough. With all of the uproar and hell being raised about R Kelly and Elijah Muhammad's interactions with girls and young ladies..... Now some of these same people who were making the most noise are now silent over a film that in a back handed way seems to sexualize a 14 year old girl and make it seem as if she has the hots for a grown White man. Again, what kind of messages are they putting into the minds of young Black girls depicting another young Black girls who can be seen over and over again giving a grown White man "bedroom eyes" and overtly flirting with him? Who's sick ass fantasy is this? Did Issa Rae think this was cute?

Oh, I haven't??? Ok....well.....thank you for correcting me on MY residential history, lol.

Troy I'm not sure what YOUR point is, but MY points remains the same that whether you are a professor with a Doctorate or a floor mopper who doesn't even have a GED.......if you aren't making enough money to live independently and support yourself YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED. And again, the first priority a person should have is the ability to sustain themselves and their family and obviously since you and others are complaining about the wages at CU of NY being inadequate....whether or not they are in actual, relative, or hyperbolic poverty is irrelevant. The fact is they aren't earning the wages they'd like to earn or even NEED to earn to make a decent living.

Haven't seen it yet but from the little research I've done on it already, I don't like it. Just more racist stereotypes hidden (and not so hidden) in well planned acting and directing. You got a Black man called Mr. Nancy (short for Anansi but still a woman's name) in a clown suit gritting his teeth and looking crazy. He's known as a "trickster" And another Black man named Shadow Moon who is an ex-convict. I don't give a damn how well you dress it up or how good the acting is...... It's just more stereotypes of Black people acting stupid, crazy, and criminal while the White characters are running the show. Poison will still harm you regardles of how great the food it's slipped in tastes.

So....... After reading that story, my initial reaction was to shake my head and say: "It's not enough for Mel and Cynique to proudly proclaim how attracted and appreciative they are of powerful confident White men......but now even Chevdove is on here posting stories about how "beautiful" White men with golden hair (if that's what you want to call beautiful) are coming to her rescue and comparing them to and calling these White men angels !!! Because of earlier Christian conditioning, too many of our people and especially our women have a deep down conditioning since childhood to see White men as their angels, saviors, and protectors which is why our women tend to be so much more inlove with "Jesus" than most Black men." But you know what? I wasn't there and don't know what happened nor what you went through so I can't condemn it or praise it with my arm chair philosphying. I'm glad you got the help that you needed sis. I just hope that The Supreme Being continues to send ME help when I need it. I prefer that the humans sent to help me come in the form of BLACK men and women, but I'll accept them in any color.

This is a clip from a new movie called "Little" which I guess is supposed to be a modern version of "Big". I'm looking for a more detailed version in which the Issa is stuttering and stammering in the presence of this White man because she finds him so attractive. So it's not enough to have adult Black women salivating and panting over White men, but now they gotta train little Black girls to do the same thing??? Training our little sisters to be all up in movies making passes as White men and acting like they're in heat for them. What kind of message are scenes like this supposed to be sending, and for whom???

Ahhhh.....Game of Thrones. More powerful and confident (and quite violent) White men for you and Mel to appreciate and fall inlove with, lol.

Chev But @Pioneer1 I may have forgotten the actual topic and may need to re-read the early comments, but if a person has obtained a certain degree and education or TRAINING, however, they cannot force the college or government to pay them the wages they feel they deserve? right? They could if they were PROPERLY EDUCATED on unionization, organization, and how to demand more benefits for themselves.....which is how most people have traditionally gotten wage increases from their places of employment. Again, this is the difference between EDUCATION and mere TRAINING. All of these degrees and certificates and shit mean nothing if you can barely eat or pay your bills. Many of these professors were TRAINED in a very narrow specific field to do a particular job...which is teach students for the university. That's what they were hired to do, and that's what they're doing. But if they were PROPERLY EDUCATED then they would know enough about society, history, and life itself to realize that CUofNY will not just arbitrarily increase their wages and be nice to them, but they'll have to demand a wage increase and perhaps even take punitive action if necessary. Again, TRULY educated people KNOW HOW to get what they want and need. If they aren't smart enough to figure out how to demand hire wages and more benefits, they aren't smart enough....and aren't educated regardless as to how many letters they have before or after their names.

Cynique 　 Chicago's black population has no large "old money" class. What passes for its elite, doesn't go back more than 3 generations with a high percentage of this first generation drawing from residents of "the projects" which, back in the day, were populated by respectable working-class people from the ranks of the great migration and who possessed middle class "values" but were employed in the service industries or at places like the Post Office or who ran"on the road" as Pullman Car waiters or were employed in Civil Service positions after passing tests which qualified them for these government jobs. Well Chicago SHOULD have a Black "old money" class since Black folks have been getting rich in Chicago for over a century now. The Defender was full of Black success stories back in the old Black and White days so Black wealth and power has had a strong grip in Chicago for a long time. Maybe Black Chicagoans with money should stop abandoning their city letting Latinos and Arabs take over formerly Black neighborhoods while they run off to Atlanta, California, and Las Vegas. If you go down to Atlanta nearly a third of Black folks there are actually FROM Chicago. And if you ask them why they left they'll same some crazy shit like "they didn't like all the snow".

The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) tend to be patriarchal in nature. The Abrahamic concept is founded in the Caucasian mistrust of their own women because they feared if women had too much power and freedom they'd start choosing the men THEY found attractive and wanted to sleep with instead of being forced to be with men out of dependence.....which could ultimately mean they'd choose Black men. Look at the Kardashians and other wealthy Caucasian women who openly choose Black men and other men of color as sexual partners. When women have money and independence they then have the freedom to choose who THEY want, and a lot of men in power don't like that. This is one of the reasons why unlike traditional African and Native American cultures where women tended to have more freedom, in Caucasian cultures and religions women have been suppressed and in many cases demonized.

Lol......and look at what happened to the Notre Dame Cathedral. Karma is something else, ain't it.

I'm not suprised. I've said this before, but the intellect of AfroAmerica has been dissolving since the 80s. Media and periodicals are an intellectual pursuit and takes a certain level of intelligence and academic discipline to operate them successfully. The simple fact is many of those in these past few generations don't have the smarts or discipline to even MAINTAIN what their parents and grand parents started....let alone build on top of it and expand it. The REASONS for this intellectual decline vary but I would say the main causes include the steady dismantling of the public educational systems in most urban areas since the 80s designed to purposely "dumb down" the population, and the poor dietary habits of most AfroAmericans since the 70s which negatively affects the proper development of the brain. Oh...and I can't leave out the powerful impact that hard core drugs like heroin and cocaine (in all of it's various forms) has had on the mental development of Black youth.

Troy Again, it's a silly argument. Ofcourse no man WANTS to see his mother or daughter taken advantage of (although I've read where one of the pharoahs prostituted his own daughter to raise money to build one of the pyramids); but public policies shouldn't be governed by PERSONAL emotions and desires. It's like asking a person who is pro-choice: "Well how would you feel if YOUR daughter got an abortion?" Since no man (in his right mind) wants to see his mother or daughter sliding naked up and down on a pole, should we just GET RID of stripping and exotic dancing altogether? It's about freedom and letting people make their own decisions on how they want to live their lives. Second, When you say a pimp manipulates and brainwashes women in order to take advantage of them....... Sounds like most preachers and priests to me. Except they are brainwashing and manipulating BOTH men AND women into giving them money by selling them what some would consider false hope and lies. Atleast a pimp guarantees protection on the streets as well as bail out of jail of they get caught up.

Even when it's organized it can help or it can hurt. It really depends on the person. Although I don't think it's best for me personally, I recognize that some people actually DO need organized religion. Just like some people need a regimented institution like the military to make sure they take a bath every day, eat properly, and go to bed and wake up on time....because they're not disciplined enough to do it on their own..... It's the same with organized religion. Some people need it to keep THEIR lives organized and morally correct. The problem is when they try to FORCE their morals and religious beliefs on others. But if a person living in my community needs to believe in Jesus and get "saved" in order to keep them from breaking in houses, raping, or killing people.....not only will I encourage them to go to church I'LL DRIVE THEM EVERY SUNDAY!