Pioneer1

You should have stopped the FIRST time you realized it was a MAN and not a woman, but you didn't....lol. Mel I see you had to add a word to make your weak point. A couple corrections: 1. Actually I didn't have just A point but 2 points: a) I originally entered this thread to prove to Nubian Fellow that he's wasting time and energy trying to convince women who DO NOT consider him an ally or even a brother to agree with him about the beauty of Black women. The self hatred and love of White masculinity is far too strong. b) After your criticizm of the Ali video my 2nd point was to prove that YOUR negative criticizms of Black men can't be trusted given your background of love for White men. Which leads to the second correction......... 2. My points aren't weak. Actually they are quite effective because I've proven both of them using YOUR OWN WORDS. E.g. ...... -You said you created a way for the BEST MAN to come into your life -A WHITE MAN came into your life Based on logic and simple math, one could only conclude that according to you: BEST MAN = A WHITE MAN. Whether others ACCEPT this or not has absolutely no effect on it's validity.

Your weakness is inviting...lol.

I know.......SUBMITTING to it. "More tea, sir?"

Chev LOL. It was funny. But @Pioneer1 knows I love him too. Nothing but love this way sis! Del You are behind in points you wanna go some more, Cabeza de Piedra. Do I want to go some more?? That's a question for your boyfriend at night, not me...lol. Besides, you got some nerve to criticize me when...... tu comprende como loco perro......lol.

Chev Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate your comments. You're more than welcome sis. I keep bringing up the media hype about the late Areath Franklins funeral and the reaction of that Black man (pastor) in relation to this subject. But maybe if a flip it, you may understand. PIoneer, what if there was an ALL WHITE or predominantly White funeral and a BLack girl was in the place of Arianne Grande. What if that Black girl wore a mini skirt and was asked to perform a song at this funeral; and then what if a White man (pastor) grabbed this Black girl wearing a mini-skirt, around the waist and pulled her close to him and massaged the sides of her breast and speak on the mic of how happy he was to have her be there in an audience of a bunch of White females, older and younger; Pioneer, do you believe the White women would be quiet about this kind of reaction? Do you think that kind of reaction from a White man would be acceptable to his White peers? You said that you didn't have a problem with it, but I think that your reaction shows, a White Superiority complex that you may not recognize. I fail to see how this has anything to do with Black women who glorify and praise White men as being better than Black men, but I welcome an explaination from you on how my reaction to the Ariana Grande "fake outrage" shows a White Superiority complex. Again, he is the best man for her; that is what I heard. And here, you have repeated this statement and I agree that this is a problem amongst us, and it's good to know that you would not do this. As for me, I have heard of some horror stories about Black women being raped and etc. by Black men and therefore, I cannot judge another person because But 2 things: 1. Regardless of what you may have heard, she actually SAID and I quote from Mel herself: https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5676-black-women-are-beautiful-naturally/page/5/ Lol....I'm not making this stuff up. She said outright that a White man was kinder than any of the Black and Brown men she's ever come across AND she feels lucky for choosing a strong White man! 2. I've repeatedly asked you what were YOUR negative experiences with Black men. Not what you've "heard" or what you were told or what you saw in a documentary or read in a novel, but what have YOU experienced that was worse than how your White principle treated you....and you failed to provide personal testimony. 　 　 You are completely wrong here. I worked round several foreign women from the Middle East, and this is NOT true. They are very oppressed by this kind of behavior that you describe that should be acceptable. They may or may not be more oppressed, but one thing is for sure.... As a whole they seem to respect and honor THEIR men more than AfroAmerican women respect and honor theirs. AfroAmerican women are among the freest and lease oppressed (by their own men) women on the planet! I'm not saying that AfroAmerican women aren't oppressed....because you are. But not by us. Yet, few other women seem to get on the national stage and openly criticize Black men and even call them out by race like Black women in America do. Even when White women criticize their men they'll say "men" in general....they don't say "White men".

1. There is no such thing as a "leaderless movement". Every movement has leaders and those who spearhead it.....either singularly or multiple. 2. King and Shabazz were kille for 2 entirely different reasons. 3 You foolishly believe that racism is a mere tactic of divide and conquere by "those in power" without taking into account that most of those IN POWER are not only White but racist themselves. If it was a mere strategy employed BY them....why would they allow THEMSELVES to fall victim to it?

Deborah Thank you for responding! Do you have 3 SPECIFIC incidents where your knowledge of the phyical universe saved you from and made you victorious over racial hostility from Caucasian aggressors?

　 Cynique No. I suggest you have sex with consenting partners, preferably black women or men In the case of R. Kelly, Just about all of those he sad sex with DID give their consent, but he's still being brought up on charges. Jussie has a good lawyer and he'll be given his day in court to defend himself against these charges brought against him based on the findings of a grand jury. From what i understand, most of the charges stem from him telling 2 entirely different versions of what happened to him when interviewed by 2 different detectives. in one he said he could tell his attacker was white because he could see his white skin showing through the eye-holes of his ski mask... Lol...... For a so-called "cynic" you seem to have a lot of faith in the system and can find every excuse in the world to justify why Jussie is CLEARLY being mistreated. 　 Queen X Can somebody tell me why Mr.Smollett is being indicted for 16 felonies. For two reasons: 1. Because they can, and they know the AfroAmerican community isn't going to do anything about it...except try to "justify" it like Cynique just did. 2. It's part of an overall plan to frighten people from going to the authorities the next time they are victimized by a racist attack. They're hoping that the victim will be too afraid of being called a liar and even arrested and jailed for filing a false report....to report the incident. If you notice they didn't treat those racist women who called the police on Black children selling lemonade and sleeping in their college dorms like that. In most cases they weren't even charged.

Cynique BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because i miss your interesting input. Hmmm, I wonder why Nubian Fellow doesn't post here much?????? It COULDN'T be the fact that he started a thread praising the natural beauty of Black women only to have BLACK WOMEN argue with him and challenge him point by point and THEN even declare in the very same thread how much they like the confidence and power of White men and see them as the BEST of all men! ......naw, it couldn't be that. It must be another reason, lol.

Black ,Police. Silence. ,.Amazes,Me.White. Police. ,Not. In. Fear. When Nazi ,Klan, Walk. Around. With. Guns.. Can, Black. Police. Shoot. At. Klan, Nazism Troops?. That's an EXCELLENT point Harry, and it's one that I've been wondering about for years now! What's going on with these BLACK police officers who just sit up and look at how their White colleagues are acting but do and say nothing about it? When will one of them whip out the cuffs and arrest one of their own? Back in the 60s or early 70s after the '67 riots there actually WAS a shoot-out between Black and White police in Detroit. It was in the parking lot of one of the precincts. I'm not sure of the details of what started it but apparently the conflict started inside the station between a group of Black officers and a group of White officers and spilled out into the parking lot after they were told to hit the streets and start their patrols. Apparently some of the White officers attempted to arrest and disarm one of the Black officers and the other Black officers stepped in and drew their guns and both groups started busting at eachother.

Troy Does anyone feel it is problematic for women to participate as a consumer or creator of erotica or pornography? For the most part....no; because the terms you used "consumer" and "creator" both imply willing participation. However if as a "creator" of pornography a woman began exploiting and abusing those working for her THEN I would have a problem with her as I would a man doing the same thing.

Cynique the first thing you resort to when you can't come up with a retort is to make references to your tormenter's sexual orientation I wouldn't consider Del a "tormentor". How can some despondent guy who babbles incoherently and is unable to answer basic questions "torment" anyone? I put him in the same category as you....more of a STALKER, lol.

Troy I look at who benefits from this situation. Black people don't benefit from this. The only people who benefit from this entire story being circulated in the news cycle are the REAL racists in MAGA hats because the next time they assault someone....the victim may be doubted. Cynique All i gotta say, is that knowing this may be the case, why do brothers put themselves in the position of being branded So do you suggest Black men just STOP having sex with anyone and just masturbate so as to never again be accused (justified or falsely) of sexual impropriety? Plus, when you seek to perpetuate the myth about penis size and testosterone overload, what can you expect when it comes to your being viewed as sexual predators. I would expect women who find these features attractive and wholistic (how ever many or few there are) to COME TO THE SUPPORT of men who allegedly fit this description when they are harassed and targeted. If women can shield and protect gay men they should do it for straight men too.

I forgot about this thread. I thought it was already established through "science" that matter was just a condensed form of energy.

Delano Let me know when you had enough. Do you realise I am insulting your ability er I mean your attempt to think (that's condescension wrapped around a metainsult) The only thing that doesn't go over your head is the subway. 　 Pioneer is fine, his skin and head are much thicker than mine. He can always let me know when he can't take it. But based on his Japanese lover story he can take it. Lol..... Maybe Troy and Cynique think your jokes are funny but I think they're little "limp wristed". They don't sound like something that comes from a brutha from The Bronx, but more like something inspired from reading a script from a fortune cookie.

Del Can you show me where i made that statement? No, because you didn't make them; you implied them. Context is important. I posted what feminist have to say about pornography both pro and con. And you were asked REPEATEDLY how many feminists do you actually know to accurately determine what "feminist" have to say about pornography or any other given subject. Yet you've REPEATEDLY failed to do so. I don't define or prescribe the position of groups of which i am not a member. Then you must be a feminist since you're claiming to speak for their position on the matter of pornography. Here's the definition. What would you say @Troy? The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. I don't see the word pornography or anything even RELATED within this definition. ......and BOY has this thread evolved, lol.

- Lol, man were you DRUNK while you were posting last night or something?????

Queen X You're more than welcome. To answer one of your questions, who can you trust? After finally learning to be honest with MYSELF, I've learned to trust myself.

Sounds like some sort of weird pornographic fantasy to me. Must be something you learned growing up in Hickville Illinois, lol. I'm wondering where is your favorite poster that you admittedly "like".....Mr. Carle? He's obviously following the discussions here and I'm sure he's seen this thread, so why he doesn't have an urge to come on here and dialog with us is beyond me. After all, you dedicated an entire thread TO him, he should be honored and pay it some respect.

Del Lol...... Man, do you have ANY other role besides side-line cheerleader and instigator??? You sound like a kid who stands to the side and eggs on a school yard fight.

Chev @Chevdove But I believe that you are 'one-sided' here. Mel is NOT White, and therefore, her assessment as a Black woman can absolutely be trusted! It doesn't matter whether or not she's White, if she makes statements like "the best man" is a White man that automatically makes her biased towards White men; therefor any criticizm of Black men from her can't be trusted as being accurate and fair. White Supremacy is real, and Black support of this issue is also real, but your comments based off of her experiences that she is sharing is what I am addressing. I can understand if you were to say, that her statements seem like 'this or that', but you are being judgmental of one person's experience. My OPINION (not judgment) isn't based simply on her experiences. I don't know what she experienced I can only go by what she's said. My opinion is based on WHAT SHE HAS SAID. She has made it clear that a White man is the BEST and KINDEST man. This is from her directly and is enough to prove that her motives for criticizing Black men should be questioned. So, to form your opinions on an individual is not going to help the reality of White Supremacy at all. Perhaps it may not CHANGE the reality...... But my identifying individuals who clearly see White people are supeior may help CLARIFY that reality so that people are not confused or decieved as to who is for White supremacy and who is against it. Like a live hot power line laying on the ground....... You may not be able to turn off the juice or move it out of the way, but if you put flairs and barriers around it to keep people from getting near it, that may save a lot of lives.  If every body Black only married Black people and if every body White only married White people, then that IMO would be a bigger problem. Interracial unions are beneficial to some extent but understanding where the line is drawn where it can be detrimential is the problem. But picking on an individual for choices they have taken is not going to solve the problem. I think it is important though, to here you views, but to attack someone you don't even know, does not help, but takes away from the conversation. That is what I believe. Simply marrying someone of another race isn't the problem. It's when comparing them to men of your own race you declare them BETTER....that's the problem. It's not enough to simply find someone they love and be content and happy; they often go out of their way to ATTACK their own race and often opposite sex of their own race out of anger or hatred. 　 　 I understand that, in the bigger scheme, this is a problem. But when some Black women have been abused by Black men, and then are treated better by other kinds of men, then you are not hearing that part of it. You are not mirrorring the situation properly. We as Black people came to be in America where the White man has gotten the upper hand. So, if Black men are conditioned to be 'the Buck' on the slaveyard and are rewarded for raping Black girls, then it may be that some Black women come to hate Black men and see the White master as the top. This issue lingers. I don't understand how you can't see this as part of the problem too. If a White man comes along and builds a relationship with a Black girl who has been abused by Black men, then how can you not see this dynamic. Again, you're trying to JUSTIFY and EXPLAIN AWAY why she believes that a White man is the best man instead of simply CONDEMNING it. 1. For the record, many Black men have also been AB-USED by Black women as well, but that's not an excuse to condemn Black women or declare White women as better and you won't catch me justifying it. 2. Much of what many of these women are calling "abuse" isn't really abuse at all but rather a misunderstanding. A misunderstanding of the nature of the opposite sex as well as a misunderstanding of gender roles. If a man physically harms you that's clearly abuse, but if gets loud and angry from time to time or stares at other women in lust from time to time....is THAT abuse? Or is that a man acting out his nature as a man? In my observations, most Latina and Arab women KNOW their men and KNOW many of them tend to be very "macho" as part of their culture so they have learned HOW to talk to them to bring out better results from them and get along as a community. Too many AfroAmerican women instead of developing this same type of knowledge and understanding about the men of THEIR community would rather sit up and let White American women tell them how they should deal with their men and what they should expect and THIS is what's leading to most of the problems between AfroAmerican men and women. .Listening to White women TELL you what you should expect from men even when they don't expect it from White men. We need OUR OWN value system. Troy AfroAmericans may make up less than 20% of the population, but when the nation is nearly 400 million strong....that's still a HUGE minority. Surely 50 million people could carve out enough enclaves even within the greater society to comfortably practice and promote any type of rites of passage or culture we devised without the least bit of disturbance from outside our community.....if that's what we REALLY desired. Jews make up much less of the population but as you can attest to in New York they have their own commuities, hospitals, malls, and other social institutions where their cultures and rites are practiced relatively undisturbed and with minimal influence. 　 Delano Can you PLEASE explain to me (us??) how feminism and non-compulsory pornography contradict eachother? How did you come to this conclusion?

Yeah..... That sounds about right, lol.

.....I knew you had a LIST, didn't I ? So I knew that much.

Don't even waste your time asking her. She doesn't RESPECT you enough to tell you the truth....lol.