Pioneer1

Even when it's organized it can help or it can hurt. It really depends on the person. Although I don't think it's best for me personally, I recognize that some people actually DO need organized religion. Just like some people need a regimented institution like the military to make sure they take a bath every day, eat properly, and go to bed and wake up on time....because they're not disciplined enough to do it on their own..... It's the same with organized religion. Some people need it to keep THEIR lives organized and morally correct. The problem is when they try to FORCE their morals and religious beliefs on others. But if a person living in my community needs to believe in Jesus and get "saved" in order to keep them from breaking in houses, raping, or killing people.....not only will I encourage them to go to church I'LL DRIVE THEM EVERY SUNDAY!

Having lived in different spots across this nation I can say that BY FAR the most common interracial couples are that of Caucasian men and East Asian (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipina) women. Yet it appears that few people even raise an eyebrow at how frequent this occurs, let alone criticize it. The focus of most people is STILL who Black men are having sex with. Not just Whites but Asians, Arabs, Latinos, ect.....all non-AfroAmerican races and ethnic groups have a sub-conscious interest with who AfroAmerican males are sleeping with. Does anyone remember when Grey's Anatomy first came out and you had a -VERY rarely seen on television- Black man who had an East Asian love interest? I knew it wasn't going to last long and before you knew it the brother ended up being kicked off the show because he allegedly made a homophobic remark. But he wasn't replaced with ANOTHER Black man; so that was the end of that Afro/Asian love affair. Non-American Black Man Women tend to be less "racially loyal" than men, and will usually get with whoever has the most protection and provision to offer them in community. If it's a White dominated community like a suburb or college campus you'll see most of the women catering to White men and their likes in order to secure some provision. If it's a Black dominated community like many American ghettoes, or a rap/hip hop event you'll see the women of all races trying to act Black and get next to Black men for protection and provision. It's about WHICH men control the resources and hold the most respect in a particular society or community. I don't know if you've ever heard this but it's one of the reasons integration was so harmful to the Black community in the United States. Also, it seems to me that many dark skinned Black women are angry at Black men in particular and even other Black women and the Black community in general for how they were treated as children. I'm what many would consider light skinned but I've always liked women of ALL shades. It wasn't the shade or complexion that attracted me but the facial FEATURES as well as the body shape.

The Bible (actually just the Torah) started off as a book of laws and statues FROM Africans (Kemet specifically) given TO Caucasians to civilize them while they were living savagely in the Caucasus mountains. Why was meat put on an alter and sacrificed? You couldn't explain to a savage how germs would make them sick, so you had to tell him to burn it as an offering and then eat it afterwards in order to keep him from getting sick. So no, we shouldn't believe in the Bible because it's not our book. It wasn't written for us, but for Caucasians. Despite how similarly we behave from living in this society for centuries, we actually have a different nature, and therefor we should have a different moral code and different spiritual practices. Troy That is an interesting idea. Is that like a colon cleanse. Where you purge your system and don't take in any more garbage for a few days? If so, how does one purge one's brain; what is the mental version of a laxative Try "brainwashing" techniques.....lol. Or meditation.

Chev That is SO NOT TRUE. These kinds of problems are not because someone has not been properly educated in the area of content for which they studied, but has to do with the higher government in how money is allocated out for various programs, various institutions and etc If these people were PROPERLY educated they wouldn't have these problems to begin with regardless of their area of study. But they WEREN'T educated...they were merely TRAINED. There's a difference between EDUCATION and TRAINING. Education is teaching a person how to think for themselves while mere training is teaching them how to do a specific task. White institutions don't "educate" Black people, they merely TRAIN them to do a specific job. Usually to work for them. In this society, most Black people have to EDUCATE THEMSELVES as best they can through their experiences and observations. This is especially true on most jobs!

Troy Man, I strongly suspect that you posted this thread JUST to get my participation in it.....lol. But I share those observations you've mentioned about the media pushing Caucasian male and African (Black) female couples more and more in the media now. It's clearly a racist attempt, but the vulgar behavior of so many young Black men ain't helping the situation much. Many young Black men aren't dressing and dancing or just acting as smooth as they used to. Too many are smelling like skunky weed, are fat, sloppy dressing, and can't even hold a conversation and this is turning a lot of women off who would ordinarily under normal circumstance RATHER have a Black man over a White man. On top of that, if you notice, some White men are imitating the smooth style that many Black men had back in the 70s and 90s! 　 It's funny, I thought it was just ME who noticed the large amount of mixed race basketball players on the scene lately. This is especially seen in the NCAA more so than the NBC. I didn't mention it to anyone but kind of noticed it and now I hear others talking about it!

Delano We shall see, I'm waiting on the end of May............ Cynique and when our eyes briefly locked, there was something there. Do you see anything in my future that could revolve around him? If his eyes locked with YOURS..........I'm more concerned about what's in HIS future, LOL.

This may be an unpopular position to take.....but what's new? I have NO PROBLEM with men pimping or women prostituting AS LONG AS IT'S ALL VOLUNTARY. Infact, as a teenager it was popular for Black males in Detroit to call eachother "pimp" as a term of respect. "Yo....whaddup pimp?" "Wassup big pimpin' ?" As long as Black men aren't physically taking advantage of the women they are pimping and as long as the women who are prostituting themselves aren't being physically forced to do so I have no problem with it and actually think it should be legal and regulated to prevent or atleast cut down on the STDs. And to intercept the question before anyone asks me "what if it were YOUR mother, sister, or daughter being pimped, would you still see it as OK?" My response would be that's a FOOLISH question! The same argument could be made for sex in general. You can ask a man who wants sex from his girlfriend or wife: "Well what if she was your mother or daughter.....would you still want to bang her and have her suck on your @#$%????" Men have sex with women, and they've been doing this shit since the beginning of humanity. Nothing will stop it. Society can preach against it, they can make laws against it, ect...but it won't stop. You can lock as many people up as you want and even the prison guards will be having sex with the inmates. As long as men and women are consenting and not being forced to engage in activities they don't want to participate in, leave them the hell alone. I'm a little angry over this because I see VIOLENCE as a much bigger problem in this world than sex.....yet some people seem to still be obsessed with punishing people for having sex or paying for it or doing it for money. Hell....this society allows gay men and lesbian women to marry eachother, is that supposed ot be BETTER than pimping and ho'ing? There is violence, terminal diseases, and other more important things to worry about and arrest people over than who they're having sex with. As long as children aren't involved and no one is being raped or forced into it....LEAVE THEM ALONE. Troy And if what I said above didn't sound stupid to you, what I'm about to say may REALLY sound like like one of the dumbest things you've heard in a long time........LOL. But PERHAPS some of those young Black men accused of pimping in that college are actually BETTER OFF focusing on perfecting the art of pimping and the prostitution industry instead of whatever the hell they're studying in college; because THAT....if it were legalized.....would make them a whole lot more money and afford them a better life than most jobs they'll get with those degrees after graduating......if they can find work at all.

Well.......... Unlike most Black nationalists, I don't make a habit of bashing White liberals because you don't always know which one's are sincere and which one's are being deceptive. And because you don't know, by slandering them all you may inavertently insult and offend one who sincerly wants to do the right thing and treat you with justice. However that said, these are good points that are true on many levels. Homosexuality IS being promoted toward the Black communities not just here in the United States but through out the Carribean and even in many African nations. They just hired an Afro Puerto Rican man at my job a few months ago who is also a drag queen entertainer and like many homosexual men he stares at and flirts with some of the male employees (including those who make it clear they aren't gay) more than the WOMEN do. Like most Carribean communities, the Puerto Rican culture didn't accept that type of behavior just a couple generations ago; but after so much interaction with American culture in New York and Florida the LGBT lifestyle is starting to flourish in the Puerto Rican community.

Troy Again, you're making my point. People who have PhD's but for whatever reason are condemned to earn a poverty wage are NOT properly educated despite all of the formal "book learning" they managed to accumulate....lol. Because obviously whatever they learned didn't teach them how to make a decent living for themselves; which should have been the entire point of them getting an education in the first place. It's the same with a so-called world class institution that runs out of basic stationary. Like most accreditted universities I'm sure CUNY rakes in millions of dollars a year. If they aren't providing enough office supplies for their staff it's because they don't want to or don't care....not because they can't. And the point I'm making is this.....along with the poverty wages for part-time professors with Phd's...says more about THE STAFF and how silly they are to allow themselves to be played like fools and suckers while a handful of people at the top somewhere are hoarding much of the wealth and funds that come in. And I think you're raising the standards too high on your definition of the "upper class". You're talking about the upper echelon OF the upper class, but this isn't the entirety of the class itself. Take a listen to an excerpt of a lecture by the famous AfroAmerican psychologist Dr. Amos Wilson on the dangers of Western education. This is a man who's achieved among the highest of degrees in Western academia and even HE has a healthy mistrust of Western education!

I consider this class "upper middle class." Don't confuse wealth with class. I know, I said this already. Class is also about influence and social standing and I'm telling you that the AfroAmericans I named are FAR more influencial than the Black doctor, lawyer, or architect....professions traditionally considered "middle class". Oprah and Beyonce are not only multi millionaires but are HIGHLY influencial socially and weild a lot of power in the entertainment industry. I know our people aren't where we WANT them to be yet but come on man, don't sell your people TOO short....lol. We DO have Black people in the upper class. 　 　 Marcus Garvey attended college. Malcolm was extremely well read as well as being mentally gifted. There are always exceptions. I know Marcus went to college for a while when he was in London but I haven't read anywhere about him graduating or getting any degrees. A lot of us went to college for a semester or two; but that's different than actually going through the entire process and getting atleast a Bachelor's. Ofcourse both Marcus and Malcolm were EXTREMELY smart individuals as well as charismatic. I didn't say any FOOL or stupid person could have done what they did, you have to have a great deal of intelligence. But INTELLIGENCE isn't the same as FORMAL EDUCATION. Intelligence is innate and natural and if you have it you can learn ANYTHING ANYWHERE, not just inside of a school. Malcolm learned more about human nature and how to motivate people as a pimp and hustler on the streets than he EVER could learn within the confines of Harvard or Yale. It's ACADEMIC or FORMAL education received in traditonal Western institutions that I'm taking issue with because despite the benefits many of our people may receive individually...I believe it has LIMITED our people collectively, especially Black males. Obviously I don't have a college degree but I've helped dozens of people with Bachelors and Master's degrees get out of homelessness, overcome their addictions, and solve other problems based on the knowledge that I was able to get OUTSIDE of the traditional academic institutions. Infact..... Much of my success with them comes from my MISTRUST of those traditional institutions to actually help our people! 　 Dude the VAST majority of Black people were working class or poor and did not graduate from college (this is still true today), of course these were his largest (numerically) supporters. Ok.... I just said that. So are you agreeing with me or what? 　 I guess you never heard of organizations like SNCC. Do you know where the people who participated in the freedom rides or sat in at lunch counters came from? How about all the attorneys who fought the Gov't to pass civil right legislation...? Well first of all SNCC was made up of STUDENTS....so it could be argued that they were as bold as they were because the system hadn't "gotten to" them to neutralize them yet. But besides Stokely Carmichael, who else out of SNCC was effective in the Civil Rights struggle AFTER they graduated from their academic institutions and got their papers? And you're focusing on the legal end of it. On a more practical and social end, it was the dozens and dozens of RIOTS that occured all over America during the 60s that forced the various police departments and other government institutions to take notice and compromise in order to maintain the integrity of the nation. Besides using your logic for education why does anyone have to go to high school? Everything you need to learn to be a plumber or carpenter can be learned in grade school. There are a lot of higher mathematics dealing with tangents and cosigns that you need to learn to be a carpenter and plumber so don't dismiss their intellectual skills. But I DO think academic education beyond say 15 or 16 should be a choice (as it is in many states) and those who choose to engage in other fields of endeavor should be allowed to do so without being shamed or someone made to feel guilty or like failures simply because they don't have a diploma The goal for most people is to make enough money to support and enjoy their lives and the lives of their families. If you can do that WITHOUT formal education....as millions of people were able to do in times past...then outside of personal satisfaction there is no real need for excessive academics. Clearly the "adjunct" professors at City University are lacking a PROPER education, because if they weren't they wouldn't be making poverty wages. If they were properly "educated" they would have the knowledge of how to increase their wages to a satisfactory level. Real education is knowing WHATEVER you need to know to accomplish your goals. If you need to go to an institution to get that knowledge, get it out of a book, or PRAY for it and have it revealed to you....as long as you get it and can use it is what really counts.

You're right, which is why I don't get frustrated by it.....I look at it as just a psychological and social exercise in how to deal with our people on the cyber level. However, it makes one wonder how strong AfroAmericans would be if we as a community would use the same tactics on our political and economic adversaries that we use on eachother.

Perhaps AfroAmericans need to drop out the current political system all together and insist on a brand new system.....quite possibly a "confederation" instead. While SOME (and out of 50 million AfroAmericans even if a "million" of us were millionaires it would still be quite pitiful) of our people are benefiting, it's becoming increasingly clear that this current process is offering no real benefits for the MAJORITY of our people, only more confusion and disappointment. Atleast with the promise of a new system the hope it offers will infuse the masses with a sense of joy and optimism for the future that they haven't felt sense the Civil Rights Era. What do we have to look forward to today? For a Democrat to get elected in 2020 and merely SLOW DOWN the fascism?

Cynique I agree with Troy! You disagree with my position........HOW SHOCKING!!!! Troy There virtually no Black "upper class" people so few in fact it is not even wierh talking about Now come on man..... You could make the argument that there are almost no Black people in the VERY TOP class of United States society of the likes of the Koch brothers, Bushes, or Kennedys and I know class is about more than just money but also power and influence BUT I consider the "upper class" the ENTIRE collection of groups and sub-group above the "middle class". That would include AfroAmerican entertainers like Lebron, Jay Z, and Oprah as well as Black politicians like Eric Holder, Barack Obama, Vernon Jordan, Donna Brazile, ect.... They may not be old money from established families, but they are definately inside the door of the "upper rooms" of this mansion...lol. Man Pioneer you could nit be more wrong. Educated people are the ones most likely to have the information to not just know the about corruption but to also understand the way and how. They are also far more likely to JOIN into that corruption or atleast assist it by growing up and joining the same system that supports and maintains corruption and injustice; which is exactly what the vast majority of educated people do. Don't misunderstand me....I'm not saying that most educated people are corrupt. I'm saying most of them are educated BY the corrupt system for the purposes of working for it and supporting it; so while their intentions may be benevolent they are still supporting corruption and injustice by helping to maintain it. If you know that your government is killing innocent men, women, and children in a particular nation and you choose to be a senator or official in that government, are you not indirectly supporting that killing through your involvement with the government? MLK had a Phd, do you devalue his education? Do you think he would have been as effective with just a high school diploma. I don't devalue his education, I think it's noble and I'm proud that he was able to achieve such. But Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) arguably did more among the grass roots and Marcus Garvey CERTAINLY did more and made more progress among the grass roots than MLK; and except for Garvey taking a few college courses neither of these men had more than a highschool diploma.....if that. The Right Reverend's education certainly helped him in the political arena and especially with regard to his political connections because he had to deal with people who ONLY respected those who are academically accomplished. But among the masses that he was targeting and trying to organize.....no, his formal education didn't help him nearly as much. His inate intelligence as well as his powerful oratory and social skills were much more valuable and the same for Malik and Marcus. Infact....... Martin's biggest supporters not only practically but even financially were the masses of the uneducated and working class.....while his biggest critics were the his colleagues and other highly educated AfroAmericans who felt he was ruining things for THEM by challenging a corrupt system that benefitted THEM but not the masses.

Troy You're helping me to make my point about many of the professions that currently require you to go to a university before even considering you. If you don't even need calculus or other subjectst that can be learned in highschool to be an Accountant, then why do you NEED to go to college for 5 or 7 years? If you want to be a CPA, or even a Film Director, Social Worker, or Dietician....what's wrong with a paid "apprenticeship" for a couple years for those professions to gain the knowledge and circumvent the debt? As far as liberal arts goes....now THAT'S where the cultural indoctrination starts. You say it's to make you a more well rounded person but actually it's to teach you how to "fit in" upperclass White society. And this is at the heart of the problem, because it creates confusion and division. This was the idealogy of old Europe going back to the feudalist era where people weren't allowed to express THEMSELVES , but were conditioned to conform to a " social ideal" standard where everyone who was considered cultivated and "civilized" had to think, talk, and behave similarly....less they be considered vulgar and uncouth and not taken seriously. .....and you have the same madness being taught in many of the public universities today. Teaching you how to conform and go along with the program, accepting orders from the top without questioning it.....like accepting "official science" and "official history" and rejecting those that the mainstream academia rejects also. Besides stifling true human spirit and forcing everyone to conform to a limited social norm, another problem with this attempt at social uniformity is it's tendency to NEUTER the society and alter it's ability to react aggressively in the face of authoritarian rule. Where as poor and less educated population is more likely to rise up and revolt because they have less to lose and haven't been taught to "be calm"....more educated people tend to be more involved in the system and have more faith in it, so they are less likely to revolt against it no matter how corrupt it gets. They often feel a sense of guilt if they challenge it....much like a person who grows up in a religious home feels a sense of guilt even as an adult by going against what they were taught as a child, even when it makes no sense.

Troy @Troy Do you believe there is proof that "superior" beings who are intelligent, self-sustaining, and more powerful than humans actually in existence?

LSA is more "cliquish" than anything else. You basically have to stay in your own neighborhood and post when you know you have enough "back" so help you defend yourself from those who will attack your statements or try to get your posts flagged. You would think as bad of a reputation "snitching" gets in the Black community today, that would be the last thing people would do on a Black website; but many of the posters on LSA are QUICK to snitch on eachother and get eachother's posts flagged for being offensive.

Troy While I do think being an accoutant is a great profession, I don't think going to an actual university for years should be a prerequisit to be one like one should to be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer. They teach calculus in highschool and much of the skills needed to be an accountant that AREN'T learned in highschool can certainly be learned on the job. I believe Delano said he was an accountant so I'm sure he can correct me if I'm wrong but exactly what MUST a person actually go to a university learn about accounting that can't be learned in a couple years on the job? I think what you have against formal education are the students who send a ton of money and take out large loans for a degree with minimal practical utility. Well that, but I also don't like the "cultural indoctrination" that I see going on in many of the universities that I've visited. In many of the universities today AfroAmerican culture is marginalized and in many if not most cases non-existent. Feminism and homosexuality is not just allowed but actively promoted. And young men are being conditioned to believe that basic masculine traits like aggressiveness and chasing after females is somehow a defect that must be corrected. Man forget those days -- unless there is a disaster they are never coming back. Technology has eliminated the need for so many people to labor on farms and factories. Besides you seem to be glorifying the back breaking life shortening labor required. I'd take on a student loan to avoid that drudgery any day of the week. Not only will they come back, they are ALREADY back....just not in the United States, but in China and India and other nations where these mentally simple but well paying jobs are now building a huge middle class in those nations like they used to in ours. Even if you want to believe that technology has all but eliminated the need for human labor in manufacturing, what about skilled trades like carpentry and plumbing? You're going to always need plumbers, carpenters, and just basic repair men; yet these jobs aren't being promoted despite the fact that they actually pay more than most entry level professional careers. Plumbers and electricians make anywhere from $60,000 to $75,000 a year and don't have all of the debt (from student loans atleast) to show for it. 　 Hundreds of Thousands?! Stop making stuff up. Anecdotally, I've attended three universities for a total of 8 years. I've sent kids to two different universities for 8 years and have worked in one for 5. I have never met a single professor in all of these years who could not live on their own and while supplementing their income working a minimum wage job. Did you just make these stats up? That is a question @Pioneer1 I'd really like to know where you got this from. Well, since you're going to call me on it.....actually I WAS being a bit hyperbolic....lol. But didn't YOU allude to this idea by the very THEME of this thread being that assistant professors who aren't making enough money to raise themselves out of poverty? Can't say that I know a lot of professors who must suppliment their income but I DO know plenty of graduates with professional degrees who do!

Chev Lol....are you as long-winded in real life as you are on the internet? I can just see your husband coming in from a long day at work trying to get some rest while you're sitting up in bed for 2 hours telling him about something that happened earlier that he's too tired to even care about but loves you too much to tell you so, LOL. But what you described is a great example of "women's intuition". Premonitions females usually get about other family members. I've seen too many examples of this to ever dismiss it. Delano Once you prove God exists that's STILL not the end; because now you have to prove God's relevance to your life and whether or not miracles will be performed when you need them. Now that you know God exists, will God: -cure your illness? -get you out of poverty? -get you out of jail? -bring a good mate into your life? There are still plenty of things to exercise your hope and faith with once you DO have confirmation of the existence of God.

Delano To answer your question, I'm not sure.

Cynique Just who, beside Farrakhan, Neely Fuller, Malcolm X and - Booker T. Washington, would you point to as black males who deserve praise? For starters...... Jordan Peele the movie director. Dr. Wesley Muhammad a researcher. Dr. Bennet Omalu the doctor who shed the light on NFL concussions Dr. Tyron Hayes a scientist and researcher for of UC Berkeley These are just a few Black men who deserve to be honored for their valuable contributions to society. Chev I find it very strange and suspicious that the Chicago police departement was SO SURE of Jussie's guilt and were ready to throw the book at him UNTIL the Feds decided to get involve and go through their files to determine how they arrived at their conclusions. .....then all of a suddent Cook County decides to drop the charges. Seems to me they have something to hide; or atleast something they certainly didn't want the feds to see.

I think one of the biggest challenges of proving the existence of God isn't the proof itself, so much as being able to SHARE that proof with others. In other words...... If I pray for miracles in my life and God or a some other divine Being presents Themselves before me and communicates with me and grants me those miracles....that IS proof! It's more than just evidence, it's absolute proof! However, if I'm talking to a friend or co-worker how do I prove TO THEM that this happened?

Well, now they are just PREDICTIONS. We have to wait and see and if I'm still alive....The Supreme Being permitting....after those time frames have passed, then perhaps I'll be THOROUGHLY impressed, lol.

Chev Exactly. It's just a part of a wider divide and conquer strategy to FURTHER destabilize the AfroAmerican community. At the same time the media is pushing the achievements of AfroAmerican women (which they SHOULD have been doing.....my only question is "why now??")...these same media outlets are digging up old stories and using documentaries to portray AfroAmerican men as sexual predators and criminals. But you know what? I not only blame AfroAmericans in part for this attempt but I blame AfroAmerican men in particular because of the responsibility and role we share in ENABLING these tactics. If AfroAmerican men who actually have a media platform would spend more time promoting the achievements of AfroAmerican girls and women....without necessarily calling attention to the fact that they are female but just focusing on their achievements period....and less time promoting sports and gossip, that would snatched the rug out from under any attempt by the racists in the media to use these divide and conquere tactics. This is one of the reasons I like this site and promote it from time to time. Troy promotes just as many if not more AfroAmerican female up and coming authors than males, helping sisters who would otherwise be unknown achieve untold success. Usually when a woman cheats or ends up being seduced by a another man besides her husband, it's usually less about what that man she's cheating with is doing for her and more about what her husband IS NOT doing for her or is NO LONGER doing for her. Usually if he's taking care of business (sexually, financially, emotionally, etc...) she will have no desire to stray away from and leave him for another. And it's the same with the macrocosm of the AfroAmerican community. If AfroAmericans as a whole spent more time praising eachother instead of trying to tear down eachother.....we wouldn't be so flattered when someone else decides to pay us a compliment.

Delano Thanks at almost sounds like a compliment. I am describing events and people around you and your internal state over the next few days. Lol, it SHOULD be taken as a compliment. I'm somewhat impressed at your level of accuracy.

As an educator you're probably going to find this statement not only ridiculous but even outrageous but...... I think this society puts TOO MUCH value on...I won't say "education"....but on formal academics for the population as a whole. Coming from the Industrial Midwest and still remembering as a child how people with just a highschool education in Michigan had a much higher standard of living than most of the highly educated of Boston or New York....I recognize that it's JOBS and BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES that weigh the most in improving a person's financial life and well being, not simply forcing them to get more degrees. Let's not put the cart before the horse; the GOAL for most people should be to make a good living with high wages and benefits in order to support you and your family....not simply go to school for decades and cram as much useless knowledge in your head as you possibly can. This is accomplished through good paying jobs and easily established small businesses, not earning degrees. If your goal in life is to be a docor, laywer, or aerospace engineer......ABSOLUTELY take your butt to school and get as much education as you can cram into your brain and CONTINUE to further your education as long as you practice your career. But if your goal is to have a nice home and large family with plenty of food, entertainment, and great healthcare.....academic education alone won't get you there. There are hundreds of thousands of people with degrees who are working as professors and research assistants PART TIME and must suppliment their income with jobs as Starbucks and Target just to survive and still can't afford to live on their own. Unlike the past where manufacturing and agriculture were the standard industries that allowed each man to make a good living for himself and his family without excessive education, tuition, and student loan debt.......today's economy is being taylored to produce a very educated class of slaves who will work their ass off for nothing.