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Stephan Lol,....why are you surprised? Actually, I briefly had you in mind when I considered a forum like that because you seem to constantly be going back and forth with Troy over certain material and you've also complained several times about not only the behavior of those who post here but the FORMAT in which some of us post our messages. Well, in a "Professional Forum" or whatever you'd call it.....the rules would be sharper and clearer and stricter. Based on more professional ethics where you would have to produce links for certain assertions and fully explain your argument. Forums like this and the literature forums would remain as they are...but that particular forum would have different rules for posting. Proven false information wouldn't be allowed. Not that a member would be banned for it....but the info would be deleted if proven to be false. Also another benefit of such a forum would be as a great place to challenge another poster to a DEBATE. Again...... I remember debates that went on for weeks.....and some low intensity debates (similar to the one between Troy and Delano about climate change or something) that went on for MONTHS. I'm talking pages and pages of back and forth with nothing but words, graphs, ect.....and very few emojis. It looked more like a scientific journal site than a message board but it was attractive to look at and stimulated the desire to improve one's knowledge on certain subject just to be able to participate.

Another thing that causes division between AfroAmerican men and women is how they are treated by law enforcement. Time after time I know of and have heard of stories where Black women have stabbed or shot Black men only to serve little or no time in jail and in some cases not even be arrested. Rarely does this happen the other way around. AfroAmerican women are often let off the hook for crimes committed against AfroAmerican men that if they did the same thing to a White man or woman would have been prosecuted for. Cynique One of my daughter's white male coworkers told her it is currently "a black woman's market", that they have usurped both white and black men, This is propaganda being whispered in the ears of Black women to gas them up and DECEIVE them into thinking they have finally "arrived" at some seat of power in a market they don't even control. It's designed to cause FURTHER division between Black men and women. Most White men (and most Black people with common sense) clearly see that White men for the most part STILL control the economics of this nation and decides who gets the money and positions and how much OF it. The fact that they can pick and choose who they give jobs to versus who they incarcerate gives you an idea of their plans. These hybrids may very possibly produce a new race which embodies the best of both/all races, and color will become irrelevant. We already have this. It's called the LATINO community, and it's even more confused and divided than the AfroAmerican community! Because they are so racially mixed, most of them don't know who the hell they are or what to identify as and end up ignoring the most of their Black population. It doesn't matter what happens AMONG AfroAmericans....most White people will still know who they are and many will still try to preserve their integrity.

frankster Absolutely. Because doing it usually involves lying. According to the Cambridge Dictionary Embellish: to add or change some details of a story, usually to make it more interesting or exciting: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/embellish Embellish is just a fancy way of saying exaggerating or adding to something to make it more interesting. It's basically adding false information. Divinity doesn't do falsehood. I never accused you of saying it. However for the record, embellishing usually involves lying. First of all let's look at the first part of the story: The actual instructions and Who they allegedly came from. In Genesis Chapter 2 we read: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. According to this verse the "Lord God" said they would die THAT DAY. Did they? Or did they go on to live for hundreds of more years? Well, the Serpent said that if they ate the fruit their eyes would be opened.....were they? Or did their sight remain the same? You tell ME who lied and who told the truth according to the scriptures themselves....lol. So why consider them "holy" if they were written by men subject to lie and error? We shouldn't have to do "guess work" when trying to figure out Divine Messages. If it's meant for us, it should be designed for us to clearly understand. That could be the case but again....it would seem that if the Lord is the Author of these scriptures then they would be made so plain that there would be no room for error or misunderstanding. Everyone should easily and clearly understand them. This isn't the "most" glaring but it's just one example of many contradictions in the Bible “… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30 “No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18 A clear contradiction.

ProfD You MUST be joking! You'd be one of the main contributors. As far as I'm concerned, the main prerequisite for participation would be how intelligently and articulately one can post their thoughts.

ProfD Or we could improve OUR condition as AfroAmericans and become so strikingly successful and impressive as a community other Black groups would have no choice BUT to submit to our greatness and seek to emulate us, get next to us, and invite us to trade with their nations. I'm beginning to understand that simply asking Africans to like us and respect us simply because we're Black won't be enough. We have to give them and other people a REASON to like us and want to be around us.

The fact that Black men are even COMPETING with let along fighting with their own women is a sad sign of how compromised and shameful the condition has become. Most men don't "fight" with their own women collectively. Individually there may be disagreements but collectively there is little friction. Why? Because in most communities the women RELY on the men to take care of them and protect the community. In most communities women rely on the men to be the cops, the soldiers, the doctors, and to grow the food as well as provide the jobs. In our (AfroAmerican) community, the Black women rely on WHITE MEN to do these things for them....not Black men. Infact, most BLACK MEN also rely on White men for thier sustenance. Looking at this....how much respect can a Black woman really have for Black men in general?

Coggins Seriously man, did you really need Dr. Oz to tell you not to eat junk food?

Yeah, when I was a kid we called it CAPPIN' If we went hard on somebody and just wouldn't let off them, it was called ROASTIN'....lol. The older generation before us called it the "dozens" and in some cases they use to stand in line and square off with eachother. We just sat around in circles doing it. It was done almost exclusively by boys. I didn't see a lot of girls participating in it either with eachother or with boys. It all had a purpose, although most of us didn't know what that purpose was at the time. It was designed to test you emotionally to see how much abuse you could take as well as how QUICK WITTED you were. Many boys who were good at the dozens/snappin'/cappin' went on to be Rappers and MC's or comedians. "Nigga yo mama is so Black...she rubbed some grease on her legs and it looked like she had on leather pants!"

Stefan There's ALWAYS something Black people can do. The question is WILL we do it or will we sit down and allow it to happen? A lot of our people are just plain lazy and indifferent and don't care what is happening in society except when it affects them PERSONALLY. So as far as they're concerned, removing iconic Black figures from history is no major matter. In Florida you have a lot of Black people from the Caribbean who see their fight and plight as different from AfroAmericans so they don't see it as "their" concern even thought they are part of the target as well. All they need is a little PROPER education and an incentive to put them on the right track. ProfD Lol... A lot of AFROAMERICANS don't care about the struggle of AfroAmericans. Much of this new generation is too busy getting high and chasing after White and Brown (Latino) coochie to unite and focus themselves on goals to accomplish like our grandparents back in the day. During Segregation when Black people were FORCED to live and work together, they had little choice but to unite because we were all we had. But as soon as so-called "Integration" initiated, the self hatred showed itself in how quickly so many Black folks moved away from eachother and continue to do so. This generation of Black youth are too focused on getting along with other races than on self-empowerment. Sometimes it's a matter of making them aware of what our Ancestors fought for in this country. A lot of Africans don't know the history of Nat Turner, Harriet Tubman, Denmark Vessey, ect....They only know Martin Luther King and many of them don't even know HIM. They only know America as it is TODAY after they've migrated here but they don't know nor have they seen the OLD America before we put our foot in these White folk's asses. They didn't get to see Black power in action like the riots or even powerful uncompromosing Black politicians like Mayor Coleman Young. "Let me tell yall racist muthafuckaz one thing! We ain't having no "gun buy back" programs in the city of Detroit until them racist bastards out in the suburbs give up THEY goddamn guns too! Then we'll call it even. " Reporter: "Well Mr. Mayor, what about the rate of violent crime in your city because of these---" Young: "So damn what! If yall scared to come to Detroit and scared some niggaz are gonna rob your ass....stay the fuck out! We don't need you here!" 🙄 REAL EXCHANGE between Mayor Coleman Young and some news reporters back in the 1970s on live television! Old School Black folks DID NOT PLAY with these racists like this "new breed" of dope smoking youngsters today.

I remember years ago when I first started posting on message boards there was this one British site I used to post on which was for the most part a typical message board where people posted their random thoughts, music, events, and ofcourse petty gripes and beefs back and forth. However it had a VERY WIDE range of individuals from all backgrounds of society who used to post on it from attorneys to revolutionaries to college students to rappers. The professional and academic people would often get tired of interacting with the general public of the forum and would go off to a secret spot where only they knew about and would "invite" who they wanted to participate. This relatively secret spot wasn't like the general forum. It was far more structured.....SELF structured and disciplined where members were meticulous about how they presented information and posted in proper grammar with links to everything. Although I'd post in it from time to time I was more of a lurker but I was impressed by the professional almost "expert" like atmosphere of that section of the site. It was almost like every post or thread was a college thesis. Some guys would get in debates that would go on for WEEKS. They'd take a break....post on other topics...and go right back at it with paragraphs of information in each post supporting their arguments and this would go for PAGES and PAGES. Perhaps @Troy you could consider establishing a forum kind of like that here. A forum strictly for "Intelligent discussion or debate". The rules of posting would be much more strict not allowing too much cussing/vulgarity or personal insults. Demanding links to certain assertions. Ofcourse you can't really FORCE people to obey all of the rules like that and being banned would pretty much be the only recourse but it would operate on an "ethics" value system where a poster's integrity would be called into question for posting false material or making ridiculous claims. I'm not sure how much participation it would get but it seems kinda classy to me. It may even attract more intellectual types who don't care too much for the emotionalism and petty beefs of many open forums and social media. I'm not sure if I articulated my idea clearly enough but perhaps some of you get the gist of my idea.

frankster I thought I answered that question earlier. It's not a YES or NO question but requires a depth of explanation. The Bible is FULL of stories...some are allegories, some are legends, and some are straight up fabrications with NO meaning behind them while some are true. But being TRUE and BASED ON TRUTH are two different things. Most "good" LIES are "based on" truth to make them more believable. That may be acceptable when it comes to fictional writing or fables intended for children, but it's totally UNACCEPTABLE for books claiming Divine sources and origins. The Divine doesn't LIE or give out false or inaccurate information. PEOPLE DO....by whatever excuse they use to do it. The SUPREME BEING, Angels, Spirit Guides, and other Spiritual Beings on the higher Realms are MUCH MUCH smarter than any human on this planet. They don't have to resort to LYING/FABRICATING just to make a story interesting or get Thier points across. Many human beings are smart enough to do that....certainly Divine Beings can do the same without having to lie...lol. The ones mixed with Caucasians certainly do. The original Mongoloid people of China were a medium to light brownish complexion. Through out the centuries they were heavily mixed by various Caucasian tribes who invaded and settled in that area. So just like you have a lot of AfroAmericans today who BLUSH because of the heavy amount of Caucasian ancestry we have, the same can be said of the Chinese of today. That's the word ADAMAH. ADAMAH means "dirt" or "ground" but the word in Hebrew for Adam is AH'DAM I forgot exactly what the word "Ah" meant but I believe it means "of" and "Dam" means BLOOD/RED. It means either blood or red depending on how the word is used. Adam is understood in ancient Hebrew to mean BLUSHER or RED ONE. "What are you guys talking about over there??" Which again..is a PERFECT description of Caucasians. More so than "White". No problem. I believe there's truth in the Bible too. But there's SOME true in most lies.....lol. If we're gonna call it a HOLY or DIVINE book then it needs to be ALL true...not just contain some. If you're willing to settle for a book just because it has SOME truth in it.....just get a good DICTIONARY, lol. The first identification factor would be there is NO CONTRADICTIONS in it. We can argue all day whether something in the Bible is right or wrong or whether it happened or didn't happen; however if you see two stories or commandments that DIRECTLY CONTRADICT eachother...you know ONE of them has to be wrong. So that right there cancel out the book ITSELF being Divine. Good question. In SOME cases you don't know. There may be messages and saying that we have YET to discover as true. However as I said earlier, when you see a CONTRADICTION....both can't be right. One has to be wrong and that right there is proof that it's not Divine or even true. The Persians (Farsim) were made up of many different tribes and a couple of races. They were made up of the Aryan branch of the Caucasian race who invaded that area, but they were also made up of the ancient Black Elamites and other tribes who lived in that region for AGES before the Caucasians even existed. Like the Arabs, the Persians are racially mixed but much of their CULTURE is Caucasian based. Us. Black people.....but not the African Black but the Asian Black. The Black people of Asia with the straight hair and thin nose.

Oh, what happened to "Blue Lives Matter" and defending the police regardless of circumstances????? You Republicans and right wingers are a TRIP...lol. You guys LOVE the police and big government as long as it's working in YOUR favor but as soon as the laws start being enforced evenly or just APPEARS (because it was just a raid....he's not behind bars) that justice is being served to one of your chief demons (Trump)....then all of a sudden you guys start shitting bricks and want to dismantle the entire system...lol.

@Troy Hey, did my letter reach you yet???

Stephan No, I don't EXPECT it.....but on a grassroots level, perhaps Liberals SHOULD take up arms and defend themselves against violent right-wing extremists. I don't understand why Liberal has to equal Wimp or Coward or Victim. Maybe the Democrat grassroots and average Democrat voter isn't in cahoots with the Republicans but the Democrat LEADERSHIP certainly is! If you look at most of the laws the Democrats in Congress push and help pass, they are basically watered down or SAME versions of Republican policies that were introduced a few years prior. The Republicans promote OUTRAGEOUSLY rightwing policies they know won't pass and then the Democrats in congress come along and offer a MILDER version of it that BOTH of them wanted all along but knew if they offered it first...the American people would reject it. That's the GAME they've been playing for the past 30 years or so. That's why you got OBAMA CARE.....a Republican healthcare plan. And which party ALLOWS it all to happen and do nothing of substance to stop it? One of the FIRST things we need to fight the Republicans is a TRUE opposition party....not a "controlled opposition" party like the Democrats currently. We need a TRULY Libera/Progressive Party....not a "Republican Light" party like the Democrats currently are. ProfD As dysfunctional as HIS brain is....he probably doesn't.

YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH MAN!!! I was JUST about to type, why the hell are Black folks in Florida ALLOWING these racist bastids to sit up and make moves like this? This is one of the reasons I said Kanye had a point about that 400 year choice thing. Too many niggas do STUPID shit and make DUMB moves that most folks with good sense wouldn't or wouldn't allow. You SEE these racists bastids sitting up there trying to erase your history and instead of going head up and hard on they ass trying to take over the school board and kicking THEM out....these fools sit their with their arms folded crying and complaining about what "them people" are doing! Man.....niggaz really need to grow a pair collectively.

Oh, look what I found! A post actually RELEVANT to the subject of this thread!!! frankster Thanks for your questions...... I prefer to use Myth or Legends and Archetypes of the Human Experience Allegory makes it almost fiction....as the place situation and events of the narrative are now of no real social or historical value That's the PERCEPTION of what allegories are, but that's because most people don't know the actual definition OF the word "allegory". They haven't been taught the key differences between "myth" "fable" "allegory" "legend" ect...so they think they all mean the same thing. Allegories are stories that didn't happen but they are UNDERSTOOD (by those who are educated) as not being true but being symbolic. Only those who are NOT educated (and that's most of the public today) believe that allegories are historically true or SHOULD be. Is there any of the bible stories whose allegorical and symbolic meaning you can share or elucidated the true message behind the story? I'll give you a good example....the story of Adam and Eve. The Biblical story of Adam and Eve was an allegory that was taken from earlier sources that were already circulating in the Middle East BEFORE the Bible was put together. Specifically in the Babylon region where the Jews resided at around 600 B.C. and put the Pentetauch together The STORY of Adam and Hawawa (later translated as "Eve") is was actually an allegory devised by secret societies in Babylon (among other places) to symbolically tell the story of the making of the White race and them being driven from Africa/Arabia into the Caucasus mountains. Infact, if you read Chapter 3 of Genesis, they TELL YOU plainly that Adam isn't ONE person but represents a GROUP of people. Also, the word "Adam" means BLUSHER. One who shows blood.....a good description of most Caucasians. Are you then saying there is no historical value in this stories? Honestly, I'm not sure. I can't say that the Bible is 100% false. I believe there is SOME truth to it just like there is SOME falsehood; but since we can't decipher the two too accurately then I can't accept the book as a true "history" book and definitely not a Divine book. If there's ANY falsehood in it...that cancels out it being labeled "divine". What is the Name of this "Greater Caucasian Civilization"? I don't know if they had an actual name but the BRANCHES of the various Caucasians were known as Aryans, Akkadians, Teutons, Visgoths, ect.. Are Semites Considered Caucasians? Some are, some aren't. Semites......which is actually a made up term taken from the Bible for the supposed descendants of Shem...were the DESCENDANTS of the first Caucasians to came down from the Caucasus mountains and began roaming around and eventually settling down in the deserts of Arabia and Iran/Iraq. The original ones were Caucasian but they became mixed with the original Black residents of the lands they conquered and settled into. This is the primary reason why so many Jews and Arabs come in different colors today. So when the bible says in Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" is that symbolic and has another meaning? In my OPINION....no. It's simply Moses instructing the Israelites (a branch of the Caucasian race) not to lie on a fellow Israelite during a trial when they are accused of wrong doing. Many people think this commandment means "don't tell a lie" but it's actually SPECIFIC. First, it...like the other commandments...aren't for ALL humans but specifically for the Israelites. Second, when it says "neighbor" it's talking specifically of fellow Israelites, not the other races or ethnic groups they came into contact with. Moses was one of the "law givers" of the Caucasian people. He took some of ancient Egypt's laws and books and brought it up to them to help civilize them from their savage condition. Do you know any of the true stories behind any of these allegories and or their real meaning? I know a few. The example I gave you about Adam, Eve, and the Garden is just one.

Stefan 1. Because White people define other races and demographics whether they or we agree with those definitions or not. So if they can and will do it, we should have that same right. And 2. Because they insist on MIS-defining themselves. When I see a Black man who looks just like me but speaks Spanish and declares that he's NOT Black because he speaks Spanish....I see him as confused and have pity for him and want to correct him to understand that his ethnicity doesn't change his race.

Apparently most of you don't know what an ALLEGORY is. An ALLEGORY is basically a symbolic story. A story used to conceal certain historical events and facts that weren't meant for the public to know. It's not the same as a myth or a fable, it has a specific purpose and that's to conceal truths from the general public and put it in symbolism so that only those in certain societies with the proper "keys" of understanding can figure out the true meaning behind the message/story. The Bible is full of ALLEGORIES. The Bible is a book made up not only of many different books stitched together over thousands of years by different authors and authorities, but even it's most basic section....The Pentateuch....is a collection of allegories that were stitched together by Jewish scholars in Babylon around 500 B.C. The stories of Adam and Eve as well as the story of Noah's Ark are ALLEGORIES that the Jewish scholars took from earlier Akadian and Persian civilizations. Akadian and Persian civilizations were different branches of a greater Caucasian civilization that spread in different directions from the Caucasus mountains. Most of them share the same "Adam and Eve" stories and "Great Flood" stories because they all got these stories from the same source. Caucasian scholars who told these stories as ALLEGORIES for various scholars in secret societies to read and understand the true meaning behind them. The average person reads the Bible and many of these other so-called holy books and assumes these stories are historically correct and actually did happen. But those who are TRAINED and EDUCATED in theology like many Catholic priests, bishops, and other Biblical scholars have been taught that these stories are false....never happened....and are taught the true meaning behind them as well as why they were made up in the first place. Most Jewish Rabbis and most Catholic priests don't believe the stories of the Bible. Have a conversation with them and you'll see I'm telling the truth. They'll tell you it doesn't matter whether the Jews were enslaved in Egypt or if all people come from Adam because yada yada yada.....but basically they're telling you they don't even believe in their own so-called "holy book". They know better. They know they are ALLEGORIES that are devised to cover up the truth behind the story.

Stefan You said: So does that belief ONLY apply to discussions about Latinos and Hispanics or does it apply to discussions about other groups as well?

I blame the Black lawmakers for this and I also Black the Black citizens of this nation for ALLOWING the border patrol to practice such racist policy. First of all if you look at many if not most of the border patrol agents along the southern border....most are Latino. That right there is a conflict of interest and if this nation was SERIOUS about properly enforcing the immigration laws and keeping out ALL illegal immigrants (as opposed to allowing the light skinned Latinos in and keeping the dark skinned migrants out) then they wouldn't allow such a disproportionate demographic of agents at the border whom they know would be sympathetic to the migrants who look like them trying to cross. On top of that, when the Black people in states like Texas and Louisiana saw what was going on with our Ayitian brothers and sisters, THOUSANDS of Black folks should have shown up at that scene to protest and show support for our Ayitian family. A lot of the problems Black people face in the United States as well as around the globe comes from lack of unity and short-sightedness......which again....in most case is a product of low intelligence.

ProfD You know how these racists do. They engage in SELECTIVE law enforcement. When you look at the stats, only a small PERCENTAGE of people are actually imprisoned on Marijuana possession alone. They have to have a huge amount. It' susually ADDED ON to other more serious charges in order to get convictions or more time added TO a conviction. However what DOES end up happening more cases than not is the Feds will use Marijuana possession as an opportunity to juice a brutha out of his money and rights. You get convicted of certain Marijuana crimes and you end up owing huge fines, can't own a gun, and even get a felony charge keeping you out of certain occupations. It's a trap. A set up.

You left out narcissism, obsession, and stalking as well. I wonder why......lol.

Chev Why? Because niggas will be niggas and Sha'carri is a dope smoking young woman who grew up in that era of niggetry. It's sad that her mother passed away but I have to wonder how much of her behavior including the dope smoking can be attributed to the grieving of her mother and how much of it was just IN HER to do any way. There's a whole lot of young ladies where she comes from who ain't lost a damn thing but they smoke dope, insult other people of other ethnicities....especially other Black folks, and act a straight fool in other ways. If she wasn't bashing Jamaicans, it would be Africans.....and if it wasn't Africans it would be other Black Americans for one reason or another. COME ON CHEV....you're smart enough and been around niggaz long enough to know how they are......lol. Why even ask "why" anymore???? It's just IN a lot of niggas to act negative and start shit where none needs to be started. In my opinion she needs to be ignored until she learns how to act right.

But an intelligent person would not only realize this but take the necessary steps to rectify their behavior. There's an old Black saying: When you KNOW BETTER you DO BETTER. If you see a group of people doing the same shit over and over again, obviously they don't know any better. You and I may know better, but most of these niggaz clearly don't or they wouldn't do it. They are greedy simply because they lack the intelligence to PRODUCE the products THEMSELVES, that they are robbing and killing each other for to get the money to give the West in exchange for these products or services. They may have a nation full of gold and diamonds but don't have the intelligence to build equipment to mine them, refine them, and process them into fine jewelry. It's a sad state of affairs bro, but I have to see it for what it is.

Nothing the Department of Justice or even Congress does can take the place of BLACK PEOPLE standing up and assuming responsibility for our own safety as indivuals and as a community. We MUST become active members of all forms of law enforcement from the patrol officer all the way up to the Attorney General of the United States. Don't leave it up to White folks to "do the right thing" but WE must do what it takes to secure ourselves and establish our power in this nation.