Pioneer1

Cynique THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. How does this differ from what i said you implied. Well for one thing, the WORDS are different. I said: "As long as they were above puberty and he didn't physically force himself on them" YOU said: "YOU are who brought up the subject of puberty being what transforms a female into a sex object." These are two TOTALLY different positions about when a female is ready for sex. -One is at the onset of puberty....which was YOUR accusatory statement. -The other is above or after the processes of puberty....which is my ACTUAL statement. Mel This should allow them to see how and why feminism has gain strength among women in general but especially black women. We have to demand equal protection under the law for all aspects or our lives. Women must protect ourselves financially, spiritually, economically, politically, and physically. I already KNOW atleast some of the reasons why feminism has gained strength among many Black women. Number one, it's driven by the anger and hatred many AfroAmerican women have towards AfroAmerican men AS WELL as the ignorance many AfroAmerican women have about their own sexuality and African sexuality in general. Further, they see aligning themselves with Caucasian feminists as an opportunity to gain economic and political influence and power without realizing the tremendous toll it will take not only on them but the lives of future generations who will end up psychologically damaged and morally confused from their unwise alliances. You know, like the 10, 11,12, 13 year old girls who’ve reached puberty and still play with toys, enjoy learning and playing sports , that Pioneer seems to think are fair game. This is an outright lie! No basis of truth to this whatsoever. I'm not suprised at Cynique making up statements and pinning them on me because she get's desperate from time to time and can't help herself. I was but am NO LONGER suprised that Del would make up false statements....given his behavior these past few days. But as good at you are at arguing established points and using a person's actual words against them during disagreement, I must admit I'm suprised you felt a need to MAKE UP statements and accuse me of them. I challenge you to find any quote of me saying this.

Troy Pioneer1 just forget it. Del can't provide a source to substantiate MLK's gay affairs and apparently won't say he made a mistake, which is indeed surprising. Suprising and indeed a bit sad. I'm thinking this is a passive aggressive form of retaliation for my support of Elijah Muhammad , however I'm not certain. Del Please can either of you quote me, where i slandered either Martin or Malcolm. Martin was a Christian Minister. Malik was a Muslim Minister. You accused both of adultery and homosexuality. Both men belonged to religious organizations in which adultery and homosexuality are STRONGLY condemned and are seen as not only a sin but in many cases CRIMINAL acts. Do you realize that in some Muslim societies you can be KILLED for engaging in homosexual or adulterous activities? It doesn't matter how YOU feel about homosexuality and whether it's slanderous to YOU or not. What matters is how THEY and their SUPPORTERS feel about homosexuality and adultery, and the majority see them as abominable acts and to accuse someone of these acts of abomination is SLANDEROUS. Do you now understand the gravity of what you imply about these men? 　 You may have not noticed but in the question I didn't mention any extramarital activities You said: You don't considered "extramarital affairs" a form of extramarital activity? This statement allows me to clear up my "defending " Pioneer. When you make a valid (which is different than true) I will agree even if my perspective is different. Two things you may want to consider. An opinion need not be factual, even if the subject has some known facts. Second a question unless legal or rhetorical is an inquiry. I have two things also: 1. If you were asking a question, why didn't you put a question mark at the end of it instead of a period? 2. My question remains, WILL YOU agree with me that it is NOT a fact that Mr. King or Mr. Shabazz had affairs with men and women?

Del Really Troy Pioneer and Nubian Do you think you're smarter than the average women. No I think both sexes have the same level of intelligence but they express it in different ways. On average women tend to be better at MULTI-TASKING or doing many different things at the same time, while men tend to be better at FOCUSING on a particular task before moving on to another. I've noticed this for years. I've even had to tell female supervisors and managers this in order for them to make the proper decisions about employee and their levels of productivity. As far as blood donations???????? I don't have the best memory of blood donation banks. As a kid growing up I saw blood donation banks as places drug addicts and winos used to hang around donating their blood to to get some extra money to support their habits. Troy What happened? Cynique yanked his chain and pulled him back "in line" is what probaby happened, lol. Or perhaps he's trying to "get next" to one of the sistaz on here....lol. I wonder exactly WHO does he have his eye on???? I do agree with your observation that women on average tend to be more emotionally intelligent and empathetic than men. Sometimes this is a good thing, and some times it can get in the way of proper decision making.

Del There are no facts just perspectives. Well if there are no facts then would you agree with me that it is NOT a fact that King or Shabazz had affairs and slept with men?

Because unlike you, neither me nor Mr. Fuller make blanket statements about all people....White or Black. Mr. Fuller didn't say all White people are plotting to confuse people of color, just a key group called the White Supremacists. And no the White Supremacists are NOT confused and still trying to sort things out when it comes to human sexuality....they already know about it. They're trying to confuse YOU. They may APPEAR to disagree with eachother but that's just a front. Just like the leadership of the Democrat and Republican party PRETEND that they are arguing and not getting along.....just a front and diguise. They are really working together.

Thank you for admitting that you lied on me and are now attempting to correct this accusation. See how easy that was? Case closed.

Lol....good ole Mr. Reliable.

Cynique That's is what you wrote. So, in your opinion, once puberty kicks in, a female is fair game for any man seeking sex, no matter what her age is. Instead of GIVING me my opinion, why don't you just accept it as it is written? Now I know COMPREHENSION isn't your strongest selling point, but try to stay with me here.....lol. You said: And I'm asking again, IF I said that then PLEASE provide a quote of me saying it! Again, last time I checked the only thing I said that came remotely close to this is when I said as long as the females are ABOVE puberty then.....(and it's still not necessarily OK if you're already married to someone)....I don't give a damn. Those affairs are between them and his wife, not us. Now do you have a quote of what you accuse me of or not? I don't need your interpretation or discernment.....I needs a QUOTE.

The problem is you are presenting declarations IN the questions you're asking. You've already declared.....as if it were established truth.....that King was having affairs with men and then proceeded from there to question what affect it had on his legacy. But it hasn't even been proven NOR has any evidence been presented by you or anyone else that King indeed WAS having sexual relations with me. You shouldn't ask questions based on false pretenses.

Delano You need to either provide proof of your allegations against these men or atleast evidence or sources for the alleged homosexual affairs you're accusing Martin King of or you should just RECANT your statement. Since you're so big on honor, I think that would be the honorable thing to do at this point. I've always seen you as a pretty reasonable dude and still do somewhat, despite our current static.... But putting garbage like this out here with no evidence.......what's your agenda man? As far as I know you're the first person EVER to even suggest that MLK had affairs with other men!!! I can't find that shit ANYWHERE else, except for YOU saying it.

Then they have NOT determined....as you claimed....that sexuality is wired at birth, they are still in disagreement with eachother about it and in your words "still trying to sort it out".

Oh? Well if I said that then PLEASE provide a quote from me actually saying this. Last time I checked the only thing I said that came remotely close to this is when I said as long as the females are ABOVE puberty then.... (not that it's OK even then if you're already married to someone because I don't advocate adultery).......I don't give a damn. Those affairs would be between them and his wife, not us. I won't tolerate pedophilia in society but I WILL tolerate adultery although I don't like it because although it's immoral (in my opinion) it's not AS immoral and harmful. Speaking of which...... Why is it all about "male entitlement"? Incase you've been living under a ROCK (where squirmish creatures like you often dwell....lol) for the past 20 years, you'll notice that the vast majority of cases involving adults taking advantage of those too young for them have actually been WOMEN. Female teachers who can't seem to help themselves and end up sleeping with the boys they're suppose to be teaching! Society started off feeling sorry for these maniacs but it's gotten so bad now and so many teachers are sleeping with these boys that judges are being FORCED by society to give these women prison time.

Chev ??????? Not sure where all this talk of "12" and "13" year old girls is coming from........ What I've heard for years was that Elijah slept with his "young secretaries" and some of them were teenagers but I haven't heard any specific ages. Since this discussion I've actually tried to look up the ages of these girls/young ladies he allegedly had affairs with and I couldn't find any specific ages .

Cynique They can't even sort out their own sexuality. They are the ones who have determined that sexual orientation is present at birth Well that sounds like a major contradiction in your observations. Whether their conclusion actually has valitity or not....how can someone who has DETERMINED something be confused about it an unable to "sort it out"????? Chev For decades Neely Fuller Jr. has been predicting how they were trying to promote homosexuality and gender neutrality among AfroAmericans to reduce the population and create confusion and fighting among the men and women over gender roles. ...even back in the 60s he was saying this. Check out this 4 minute clip of Neely Fuller breaking down precisely how they are trying to destroy the Black community through sexual confusion: https://youtu.be/a3qUE8GGDvk This man was the late great Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's (The Isis Papers) mentor and he's still coherent and sharp as a razor at 90 years old giving interviews. You should really check out his work and his lectures.

Troy As far as what you just wrote. I gather it all means you have no proof to justify your secalious assertion that MLK has a homosexual affair Lol.....I was about the post the very same thing. When I glanced at the paragraph and all that was written I came close to assuming he MIGHT have some references in there. I just KNEW he wouldn't waste half of a damn page whining about how he's being mistreated and allegedly held to a different standard.

More LIES and garbage. Just like you've lied on Martin Luther King and couldn't back it up when challenged to do so. Lied on Malik Shabazz and couldn't back it up when challenged. I challenge you to back up the lie you just told on me. My position isn't the one that needs to change because I'm not the one constantly churning out lies in order to slander and defame.

Del I was disappointed by Pioneer1 saying he didn't care about Elijah raping girls and he would smile. What was the reaction from the men. So it's not enough that you lie on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X who aren't on here to defend themselves.....NOW you wanna lie on ME huh????? I've NEVER said that I didn't care of Elijah Muhammad or anyone else raped girls and that I would smile about it! Don't even TRY it Delano....don't even. You're deliberately taking my words out of their context and trying your best to twist them so that they will comfortably fit YOUR twisted agenda of attempting to portray yourself as some knight in shining armor who stands above all the other men on this site when it comes to defending the Black woman's honor. But let me ask you a question: Now I know what I'M doing in real life to protect Black women and girls- And I don't know of everything Troy is doing but just providing this platform for AfroAmerican writers ALONE is doing more to help talented Black women than most Black American men are doing for them so far- But besides typing up a storm on the internet, what are YOU doing in real life to advance your "cause" to protect the Black woman and her honor......lol....way overthere in Australia?

Neely Fuller has said for decades that the biggest and LAST trick of White Supremacy....is to try and fool people of color about their sexuality and get them sexually confused.

Let me make a correction on that statement you quoted that I didn't notice until you quoted it: I meant to write if he were banging them and HE were smiling, not if I were smiling. Other than that, my statement still stands. As long as they were above puberty and he didn't physically force himself on them, he's not a monster in my opinion. Would I have done it? No Do I think it was inappropriate? Maybe However like I said, I judge a man on the wealth of his deeds not on bits and snippets and again, as far as I'm concerned his sexual behavior was between him, them, Sister Clara Muhammad, and The Supreme Being Who will be his ultimate Judge. Stop thinking like your oppressor who believes that having sex with someone is the worst thing in the world. They'll go to a nation and slaughter THOUSANDS of people....men, women, and children with weapons.....and get called a "hero". But if that same person instead decided to grab someone and f*ck them instead of killing them, they would be called the worst of scum. Why? Because SEX is the "orignal sin" in the Caucasian psyche......not violence. Which is why graphic violence is allowed on U.S. televison but nudity isn't. Stop thinking like your oppressor Del. A man who has sex a lot of indiscriminate sex isn't the worst person in the world. Chev Professor Griff was a member of the 80s/90s rap group Public Enemy.

While I'm doing that.....maybe YOU should look up the words LIBEL and SLANDER.

Del I didn't say people who knew you thought you were gay. I'm just accepting what YOU revealed about yourself about people thinking you were gay (whether they took time to get to know you or not)......and offered an explaination as to possibly why. Perhaps it was how you carried yourself moreso than your intellectual abilities. Instead of trying to read INTO what I write....why not simply READ what I write and take it as is, lol.

Del Do you know why Professor Grif was kicked out of PE? According to what he's said it was because Chuck and some others were pressured into kicking him out over alleged anti-semitic remarks he made while in Europe. 　 Who told you a self acknowledged drug dealer was a 5%. Do you know why they are called 5 percenters? Lol..... That MUST be a rhetorical question. Why in the world would I tell you about an organization I didn't know about myself???? Jay-Z repeatedly refers to himself as "god" and "cipher" in his songs. And there are many who claim the Five Percent who also sell drugs, smoke weed, and steal. They are called "POOR Righteous Teachers" because poor doesn't just mean financially poor but also a term used for empathy. What's your source.  I never heard any called cipher growing up. Do you know what it means? Because they would stand around in circles (cipher = 0) and recite the Nation of Islam lessons. Cynique As for you treatise about Elijah Muhammad and the black Muslims having more impact on black America than any other organization, 　 I never said that. Lol, you really need to stop yawning and pay attention.

Del Didn't you just say in this very thread: "I have people tell me I am quirky, non aggressive , sensitive, good cook, good dancer, psychic, smart. So for a lot of people that makes me gay." Apparently the projections aren't coming from me. I'm not "a lot of people"....only one person...who has no idea as to your sexual orientation and not terribly concerned about it, lol. As for my Korean friend..... I left him back on the Westcoast but we still keep in touch from time to time. Lol, do you you want his phone number??

Since YOU seem to be their designated spokesman, if I had any questions for them I'd probably just ask YOU....lol. BTW......... Troy and Del A little bit of information you may find interesting. Since you both grew up Uptown in the 70s you DO realize that many of the rappers like Jay Z, Nas, and Poor Righteous Teachers as well as many others belong to a Nation of Islam splinter group known as "the nation of gods and earths" or "Five Percenters" right? This group was started back in the 60s in Harlem when one of Elijah Muhammad's ministers Clarence 13X was put out of the Nation of Islam and decided to start his own organization using much of the Nation of Islam's teachings but with fewer restrictions. It became really popular with many of the young people in the streets and it heavily influenced rap music. Erykah Badu and the Wu Tang Clan also are adherents to the Five Percent Nation. They often call eachother "god" and "cipher".

Flip It Cynique I'm always suspicious of male homophobes. i'm among those who wonder if these guys hate gay men because the latter make them question their own manhood. .....and THIS, from the same person who said in another thread: "Political correctness is becoming as stifling as those it targets. It is totally shutting down comedy and satire, forbidding people to laugh at the foibles of the human condition. " https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5550-kevin-hart-shows-some-heart/ 　 So which is it Lady Liberty? Should people have the right to express their own opinion without being shamed, or does any attempt to criticize homosexuality deserve your suspicion as being homophobic????