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Troy That's the point I was making..... The high unemployment rates at the beggining of Obama's Adminstration was not the fault of his administration but was well planned BEFORE he took office. Designed to sabatoge it. Not only did Obama bail out Wall St, he gave the big 3 automakers a bailout too. He just gives these automakers billions of dollars and offers them federal assistance to get their financial affairs in order with absolutely NO demand that they hire the millions of unemployed people all over the nation that need jobs.

Troy you're right we DO have more important things to be outraged about...... But I seriously doubt WE (Black people) are the ones who even made this an issue.....initially atleast. I'm willing to bet only a few Black people even complained about the ad. But it was probably a STRATEGIC MOVE by racists in the media. Just one more of many attempts to TRIVIALIZE racism by focusing on minor incidents of "maybe" racism while ignoring the bigger ones. This issue with dove soap is just one example. Another example is if you remember a few weeks ago ESPN decided to replace an Asian announcer because his name was "Robert Lee": "In the wake of the white supremacist rallies in Charlottesville, Va., ESPN has reassigned announcer Robert Lee from broadcasting Virginia’s season-opening game against William & Mary because of the similarity of his name to the famous Confederate general Robert E. Lee. ESPN provided the following statement: "We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name. In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue." 　 https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/08/22/robert-lee-espn-announcer-university-virginia-charlottesville 　 Now in BOTH cases I'm willing to wager that very few if any BLACK PEOPLE complained about these issues being racist. Hell, ESPN actually SUSPENDED a Black woman Jemele Hill for her tweets about Donald Trump! So are we to seriously believe that they really give a damn about the sensitivities of Black people to the point of removing an Asian announcer because of his name? Something Black people probably never even requested. This is one of the reasons we have to do what Tariq Nasheed said and CONTROL THE NARRATIVE when it comes to racial discussions. When WE control the narrative, the real issues of real racism get discussed and focused on. When White racists and corporatists control the narrative, they focus the public on nonsense that TRIVIALIZES the problem of racism and makes any accusation of it look ridiculous.

Educate2Empower Excellent observations in your post! I especially like how you mentioned the various Black enterainers and how they are promoted because they pose no serious threat to the establishment. Infact, it's the establishment who promoted them in the first place. It's called the "illusion of success". While they undereducate, incarcerate, and impoverish the overall Black community they'll prop up a few Black stooges and celebrities to hold up as examples of success so that the world will not realize what is being done to the Black population in America. Also it fools silly negroes, the majority who are poor....into looking at these "role models" and thinking that with hard work and good luck one day THEY TOO will be as successful; while not realizing that the system is corrupt and rigged for them to fail. If you study them closely, nearly half of these Black celebrities that are being hailed as successes have children with autism and other cognitive dysfunctions. Mel Damn, gurrl. I may disagree with you on a lot but "the man in me" has to admit, you're one hot ass number.....lol. You reminded me of that singer Jody Watley, but with a deep tan....lol. I know you've moved around but I'm suprised the Black men you worked around even LET White men get close enough to you to date or marry you. I've noticed that White men love to find the most attractive Black women who know how to act to push up on and try to get next to. Me personally.... I wouldn't have CARED whether or not you loved those particular White men, I'd do everyting in my power to make sure you were with a BLACK MAN. Or end up alone....lol. If a White man came snooping around looking for "hot Black chicks" to hook up with I'd make him go down to the projects and get some section-8 sister with 5 kids for him to first "rescue", then maybe........ Cynique You look good too.....especially for a woman in her 80s. But although I mean it, I only mentioned it out of courtesy and acknowledgment of your presence. You're clearly the type who doesn't care if a man compliments you on your looks or not....lol. And something tells me that even when you were younger and in your prime compliments from men STILL didn't have much of an influence over you....lol.

Interesting conversation................... Both You really can't believe in the distorted employment figures that are being put out by the Department of Labor regardless as to WHO'S administration they were reported under. They only classify people who are receiving UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE as "unemployed". That's it. If you aren't on unemployment benefits, as far as they are concerned you are working full time.....lol. So if you've given up and have dropped out of the workforce, you're employed. If you're making your money illegally in the underworld, you're employed. If you are disabled and can't work, you're not counted as unemployed. If you are a housewife or stay at home dad and don't work, you don't count as unemployed. They don't count prisoners and jail inmates as unemployed either. It's like skipping over bridges, overpasses, alleys, abandoned buildings and just going straight to homeless shelters and counting the number of people you see there to determine how many homeless people are in your city.....lol. Nearly HALF of the able bodied population in this nation is UNEMPLOYED but because of the deceptive way the numbers are tallied....they'll have you thinking unemployment is at an all time low. As far as the Obama's job numbers.......... I remember that as soon as Obama was elected president back in November of 2008...BEFORE he took office in 2009.....we had one of the largest massive lay off campaigns in modern U.S. history! I remember in the November, December, and January leading up to Obama's inaguration each major coporation started massively laying off people by the hundreds of thousands. It was if they were trying to SABATOGE that man's Presidency by ruining the economy before he took office.

You make a pretty good observation. The problem isn't cameras themselves, but the TYPE of cameras and lighting that's used when recording various people. I believe that racists who control the cameras PURPOSELY distort and dull the images of people of color while making Whites look better. I noticed that when I watch news television shows, especially when they're doing reports about places oveseas....they make the people of color look grayish or dull colored. Just watch Spanish television stations like Telemundo and look at the quality of the pictures and how clear and vibrant the colors are....even when doing real life news stories at different locales. Contrast that with the reports from those same areas that you may see on CNN or ABC or Fox. The coverage the American media has given Puerto Rico during their time of disaster is a good and current example where the main stream media barely even show the resident close up but always show them far off in a grainy distance wading through water and crowded around planes. It's the same when taking a driver's license photo................... Look at how clear and sharp most White people and their facial features show up on THEIR driver's license and then look at how smears and shadowed most people or color and especially dark skinned people look on theirs. This isn't an accident, it's deliberate. Most of the cameras were designed to make White people look good and people of color look.....well...let's just say....not as good.

I didn't care too much for Dove soap anyway. I tried it a few times and it made me feel like I wasn't quite clean or as if the soap didn't wash completely off. Who wants to walk around feeling "greasy" all day.....lol. Cynique Did Donald Trump bring out the worst in both races? Or did he just peel bandage off of a wound that was already there.....and infected? I believe Trump basically EMBOLDENED racists to do and say in public what they wanted to do anyway. Delano You can't be a VICTIM and a VICTIMIZER at the same time. If the male slave was being dominated, the ONLY way he could treat his fellow female slave is however the master ALLOWED him to treat her. Even if he got drunk and beat and raped his wife (or woman because he can't really be a husband and she can't really be a wife while in bondage)....it's STILL the slave master's fault that she was beaten and raped.

Those were ministers who were taking a knee in a form of PRAYER. Look how their heads were bowed and their eyes were closed. This is different that what Colin and many of the other players are doing. According to the information we now know....a White football player (Nate Boyer) who was in the military and most likely conservative was the one to influence Colin! He was the one who convinced Colin to take a knee before the flag the same way people do to show honor to it during funerals for fallen miliary personel ! First he starts off sitting for the anthem as a form a protesting, but then he ends up KNEELING before the flag with his hand over his heart.....go try and figure THAT one out, lol.

Cynique HOLD UP! What the hell does an....80 SOMETHING....year old woman know about "thot"??? Lol.... Have you been eavesdropping on your grandchildren's conversations or something???? They, instead, prefer artists like Alicia Keyes and Rihanna and Jennifer Hudson, who represent a different genre and have huge followings. And THESE artists I have absolutely no problem with. These are AfroAmerican women who carry themselves in a respectable and feminine manner. But the difference is Black people CHOSE these artists based on their talents, where as people like Cardi and Nicki are CHOSEN FOR Black people by racist White executives. 　 Furthermore, white performance like Katie Perry and Miley Cyrus' performances and lyrics are very edgy, vulgar and anything but whole I was actually thinking about Miley and Lady Gaga when I posted my comments. However even as sexual and "nasty" as they make White female artists appear, they still promote their femininity as opposed to making them seem violent and "gangster" as they do with so many Black female artists. 　 Or, are black girls anymore corrupted than the white teen-aged girls texting nudies of themselves to their high school boyfriends I'm not speaking for anyone else on this issue because my ideas of sexuality are slightly different than most. I don't have a problem girls sending sexy texts of themselves to BOYS. Many if not most Black people have a problem with the rampant sexuality and promiscuity being promoted in music today but I don't....I think it's just nature. It's not the sexuality that's the problem, it's the boyish behavior, the violence, the crudeness and rudeness that so many girls are being encouraged to behave as that I consider the biggest problem. In other words, I don't have a problem with a girl being the sexist GIRL she can be....it's when she starts acting like a BOY that it becomes a problem in my view.

After reading the information Mel showed in another thread, I'm seeing this Colin Kaepernick so-called "protest" in an entirely new light. It seems as if he was heavily influenced by a White football player who gave him bad advice....probably on purpose. Del White people need to talk to each other That's the problem, White people ARE talking to eachother. And they're talking about YOU....lol. You're right, the system isn't broken but it's working EXACTLY how it was designed to work. The system is called White Supremacy and it's designed to keep Whites in charge.

Man, it's hard to believe it's been a year since this thing with Colin started! My, my, my........ Mel You know what? You have just alerted me to someting that has helped me make sense of all of this silliness and CONFUSION. I've been saying since the entire thing started that Colin's behavior actually causes more CONFUSION and PROBLEMS than it actually solves. First of all it does basically nothing to solve the problem or racism and police brutality. Second, all he's doing is pissing off patriotic White people by not respecting the flag....many of whom may not have been ordinarily racist but have TURNED racist because of his behavior. Third, KNEELING before the flag actually shows more respect for it than STANDING. So if he wants to protest, why the hell would TAKING A KNEE be the way to go????? But after reading your post and doing a little research, I now realize what happened. A WHITE MAN got to his ear and convinced him to do the very OPPOSITE of what he was trying to do. A WHITE MAN actually fooled him into: 1) showing MORE respect for the flag than he originally intened to show by kneeling for it 2) Pissing off as many White people as he could, which would mean losing potential allies. He was essentially tricked and this confusion and mixed message has trickled all through out the NFL. This is why I think a Black power fist or simply sitting would have been a more effective protest.

The percentage of Black men and Black women who voted and who they voted for is irrelevant. Why? Because if you're too weak and aren't going to do a damn think to PROTECT your vote, what good is going through the motions of voting? Clearly there was widespread election fraud in the urban areas around this nation and especially in the three states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania where most of the votes of Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia were tossed out or simply not counted. The same thing happened in Florida and Ohio back in 2000. And just like back in 2000, not only didn't most Black leades raise hell about this and demand some sort of recount or accountability before Trump took office, but HILLARY CLINTON HERSELF barely made a fuss about it and accepted defeat. This is why I call myself neither Democrat nor Republican. The Republicans have proven themselves to be unabashed racists but the White Democrats have also proven themselves to be: -closet racists or -cowards who are too afraid to confront the racists. Black people are the real "soul" of the Democrat Party but most of them are in impotent positions. We shouldn't expect White politicians to be fair or just....even if they court our vote. We should be promoting OUR OWN politicians and getting them elected where we can have a reasonable expectation that they will serve our interests.

He never should have went in in the first place. I blame Black judges and lawyers collectively for letting that man be persecuted the way he has. I don't know whether he's guilty or innocent for Nicole's death, but the entire trial was indeed about RACE and the racist elements of the LAPD. It would have been an EXCELLENT opportunity for Black people.....especially Blacks in the legal profession as well as in law enforcement to highlight the problems with instituional racism in the legal system as well as force a major overhaul in it. Instead.....a few celebrated OJ's seeming victory and then forgot about it. Meanwhile, the racists in the media continued thier witch hunt. I've said this before and I'll say it again....... You can't blame all the problems Black people in this nation have on racism, much of it is as a direct result of BLACK STUPIDITY. You actually had a SMOKING GUN with a racist cop (Mark Furhman) who ADMITTED that he hated Black people, ADMITTED that he hated Black men who dated White women, and ADMITTED that he planted evidence on the Black people he arrested! If you are a Black judge or lawyer or prosecutor....how in THE HELL could you have looked at what happened in the OJ Simpson trial with racist cops and the planting of evidence and not organize across the nation to demand a major overhaul of the justice system?

Troy you are 100% right, what we have here is yet another Nicki Minaj. Another.....not Black but close...woman who has incorporated parts of Black ghetto culture and mannerisms and is being promoted by the media to the Black community and especially to young Black girls as a role model. Notice a pattern? Almost all of these female rap and "pop" stars that they're promoting as "Black" are NOT actually Black....or if they are have only TRACE amounts of Black blood flowing through their veins. I think the racists in the entertainment industry are doing this on purpose to RUIN the self esteem of REAL Black girls (meaning the majority who fit the phenotypical features) by constantly promoting women who they can never look like as the very women they should aspire to look like and be like. Another problem if you'll notice is that they push these so-called "Black" artists to act in wild, brutish, thuggish behavior as part of their persona. Look at a Taylor Swift video and see if she's cussing and fighting and acting vulgar. White female artists are encouraged to be feminine and sexy and often "innocent", but Black female artists are expected to be loud, boisterous, violent, cussing, and in general just crazy as hell. They do this to encourage the young Black girls who look up to them to behave in this manner. Then you wonder why so many girls are fighting and beating on eachother in schools and out in the streets....wonder why they are so crazy and violent. The music is encouraging them to be that way by telling them that's how they SHOULD be.

If she's on Fox News.....and she's a woman (of color or otherwise) she is probably on there more for how she LOOKS than how intelligent or insightful she is. Fox News is one of the propaganda tentacles of the American right-wing and when you see the women on there you notice that almost all of them are attractive and dress provocatively. Why? In order to KEEP YOU WATCHING the channel to watch the women.....while they fill your mind full of right wing propaganda. This young lady may be intelligent and articulate but her being on Fox News wasn't an ACCOMPLISHMENT based on her own merit.....she was CHOSEN to be in the position she's in.

Del That's violence not sexuality. It's also illegal. What poll did you see, that said most men want to be sexual predators. Well I thought he said they "LET" you grab them, but I don't know enough about Trump's encounters with women to either condemn or defend him so let me say....... Grabbing women in the vagina (or butt or breasts) WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION is indeed violence and sexual assault. But if they find you attractive and GIVE YOU PERMISSION to do it then it my opinion it's not. Some women like dominant men who are assertive with them and that's just a fact. When I was a teenager it was about be able to talk to girls. Not date rape them. You sound a bit like Bill Cosby. They also thought you were gay too. Perhaps because ALL you did was talk, and wasn't assertive enough to try anything sexual with them. There's a difference between rape/assault and pushing up on females who already find you attractive to take things to the next level......and most boys learn this. Most women I know are NOT going to make the first move on a man even if their highly desire him. So if some guys are grabbing your mother's crotch. Are you congratulating her and the guy. Or does that not apply to women in your circle. Although most men (especially Black men) don't like talking about their mothers' sexual habits, to keep it real....if SOME MAN (my Father in this case) didn't touch her crotch or push up on her enough to have sex with her.....I wouldn't be here today! So if some guy has more money than you can he grab your women's crotch. Since Trump also went after women who had partners. I'm not married to any of the women I'm involved with so I can honestly say that if they allow him to.....yes. Listen man, I'm well beyond getting into conflicts with other men over women who VOLUNTARILY allow themselves to be sexed up by them....for any reason. Whether they like him because he has money. Whether they like him because he looks better. Whether they like him because he's better in bed. Whatever the hell the reason is, they made their choice to allow a man to do this to them then it is what it is. Now would I LIKE it? No. But as long as they aren't married to me, I'm of the firm belief that they are not "mine" and it's their choice to do what and who they choose.

Hitler was a master organizer......but you're not going to catch me praising him for his organizing skills, lol. Why? Because his skills did NOTHING to benefit me or my people and more than likely would have been used against. My point is, this show is a White Supremist show that serves 2 main purposes that have nothing to do with entertainment: 1. It basically brainwashes women around the world to fall in love with White men and desire them by showing them as sexually active warriors. 2. It strokes the egos of White men by allowing them to live out their fantasies of banging women and kicking ass. That's it. That's the purpose of the show. Why do you think it takes you WAAAAAY the hell back into medieval Europe? So they can get away with NOT featuring Black characters!!! If it were set in current England/Europe and they featured a crew of White men banging women and killing thier rivals with no men of color....people would point out the obvious racism. But if they place the setting back in THAT time period then they can pack the show full of White actors and not hear a whisper of complaint because hey......after all....THERE WERE NO BLACK PEOPLE in the land back then! What few actors of color the Game of Thrones DOES pop on from time to time are usually so light and damn near White that they basically blend in with the other White actors. Truth be told, that's what all of these "Lord of the Rings" shows and other ancient Europe shows are about.... It's about taking the audience back into a mythical time where there were no Black people (especially Black men) to have to deal with or compete with for money, power, or women. White men love going back to a time where they were king and firmly in charge with no one to challenge their authority. That's why THEY love Game of Thrones.

Question: What's stopping Black people from being patriotic? Answer: It's the victim mentality that so many of our people have been ingrained with that's preventing them from seeing themselves as even EQUAL to White people.....let alone just as American as them. I've said it over and over again, despite the problems and injustices Black people face in this nation....one of the biggest problems is that Black people aren't using the opportunities and rights and priveledges that we ALREADY HAVE to improve our condition and acquire more power. When Black people are mayors, police officers, (even Presidents)....they often times BEND OVER BACKWARDS to be fair to White people and not use their power and authority to make life better specifically for other Black people. Black people become Governors and Sheriffs and don't do mass releases of Black people from the jails and prisons. You have plenty of Black police officers....why haven't they confronted their fellow racist partners? Black politicians get in office and don't re-write the voting laws to allow Blacks who are denied for some felonious violation to vote again. There are plenty of Black people in power in Florida....how many Black officials in that state LAUNCHED an investigation in voter fraud and suppression for the 2000 Presidential election? Thousands of Black votes tossed away.....and Black officials did little to nothing about it despite HAVING THE POWER TO TAKE ACTION. Look at Republicans. AS SOON as they take office they go to work to repeal laws they don't like and push their own agendas.....shamelessly. Negroes get in office and get so quiet you can hear a rat pissing in cotton. Just so glad to be there, better not dare take any meaningful action. What good is being an American and having the rights of Americans if you aren't going to exercise them? The biggest problem Black America faces isn't White facism or racism but BLACK STUPIDITY.

I don't necessarily agree with THIS form of protesting because of the confusion and needless animosity it has brought. If you have a problem with injustice and racism then address those issues DIRECTLY with the guilty parties involved, but I don't think it's a good idea....though it's their right....to diss the flag and national anthem of their own nation. Too much Black behavior is convoluted and half-assed and half-hearted and jumbled up in confusion. Even when many of our people attempt to take a stand for the right reasons, the way they go about it is so confusing, annoying, and basically ineffective that they end up doing 2 things: 1. Instead of just pissing off the racists, they end up turning off a lot of decent well meaning White people who can't figure out what we want or what point we're trying to make besides being a nusance. 2. Further alienate most Black people who are intelligent and/or have good jobs and don't see the benefit in joining into some "protest" that doesn't seem to have any clear goals except to point out racism that most people already know exists. Many if not most Black people are already a little hesitant to join public demonstrations, and just marching around in circles and getting themselves in trouble with the police without any clear and serious goals to accomplish often further drives them away. Because of my personal experiences in political and social activism I've learned that people are most successful when they go directly to the "powers that be" with CLEAR GOALS and CLEAR DEMANDS. Running out into the freeway and stopping traffic or standing around with your shirt off sweating and yelling at police officers doesn't really solve your problems and will often times create MORE PROBLEMS on top of the ones you already have. But I DO love the fact that rich and famous Black entertainers are finally taking a political stand. Something many of us have been demanding of them for decades.

Troy Nope, @Pioneer1, your problem is not syntax, just reasoning Well that means I'm beginning to FIT IN with everyone else.....lol.

This is not a shameless plug. ???? Forgive me for straying away from the subject of this thread, but you KNOW how we do...lol. What's up with the term "shameless plug"? When did it become shameful or less than honorable to promote oneself or one's products? I don't know what Troy's advertising policies are on this site, but if I authored books or had a website to direct people to purchase my books I'd be promoting it EVERY CHANCE I GOT....lol. Infact, I understand in the medical profession it is (or used to be) unethical if not illegal for a doctor to advertise his practice in the media! Nearly 20 years of education and studying intensely to the point you need glasses.....and now you're supposed to sit back and NOT promote your abilities???? This is purely a product of ALTRUISM. A White middle-class social construct not based on any legitimate moral or ethically code. Many Black professionals have knowingly or unwittingly adopted this psuedo-moral concept from White academia (along with other perverted habits) and it has led to confusion and chaos in thier personal lives and especially their relationships with lesser educated Black people who's morals tend to be more literal.

Del However i need to stop wasting energy trying to prove myself. I was trying a new technique. Interestingly a very stubborn Astrologer who says weather prediction isn't possible liked the post. Since he realises the difficulty in predicting direction and wind speed. Like most of our conversation I don't expect you to see more than what is currently in your world. Lol...... Trust me, you've "proven" who and what you are a LONG time ago with the other predictions you've attempted. Save your energy....lol.

Facebook serves 2 major purposes: 1. It's making this and future generations COMFORTABLE in having their privacy violated and eventually abolished. Little is "private" today and each generation seems to be more and more willing to publish their private information online. 2. It's doing the same thing ONLINE to this generation of Black businesses that college education did OFFLINE to Black businesses a few generations ago...... Just like generations ago when Black people owned their own businesses and employed themselves, college education came along and convinced Black youth to abandon entrepreneurship in exchange for a degree and a corporate job........ Today Facebook is convincing Black people to stop buying and managing their own websites and just put everything on Facebook. How many Black people actually own their own domain and website today? Everything is on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. Even Soulfood sites and menus are on Facebook.....so you have to have a Facebook account of your own just to check out the resturant down the street. White people KNOW how to tap into Black laziness and exploit it.

I recently heard somewhere that Floyd Mayweather said that when Trump talked about grabbing pussy he was talking like a "real man". I think a lot of Black athletes like ASPECTS of Trump's personality for the same reason a lot of men in general...and especially many White men.....like him. He seems to be unapologetic in his masculinity. He talks about pushing himself on women, he goes through a variety of women in marriage, he talks tough and violent, he's rich, he flirts with and talks about women's looks openly..... These are things that most men in this society WANT to do but are afraid they'll get in trouble if they do so. This suppressed desire to express their "true" sexuality is a force that Trump and other White conservatives are able to tap into as an energy reserve.

How many people ARE paid what they actually "deserve" male or female? I found out a long time ago that you usually are paid what you either DEMAND or are skillfull enough to hustle up on. Black people need to seriously examine this belief that somehow if they work hard or produce a great product that White people (in Hollywood or elsewhere) will automatically recognize it or their greatness and compensate them for it. White people aren't divine deities.....they are human beings who shouldn't be expected to give people what they deserve. Infact, you should EXPECT them to lie and steal your ideas and claim them as their own and be pleasantly surprised if they DON'T, lol. White people in Hollywood are prone to lying and injustice like everyone else, so expecting them to pay Black excellence what it deserved is naive. We need to just be greater and greater and improve ourselves for OUR OWN SAKE and compensate OURSELVES however we see fit regardless of what White people think or do.

I'm glad MY (relatively rare) typing errors aren't the only ones you're noticing....lol.